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always follow us on twitter and you canal always tweet the show at cnn sit room. you can always watch us live or dvr the show so you won't miss a moment. i'll see you again in one hour i'm filling in for anderson 8:00 p.m. eastern, erin burnett out front starts next. breaking news reports of new cell phone video reportedly showing the germanwings flights. plus lufthanza now admitting it now about andreas lubitz depression problem, so why did they say that lubitz was fit to fly fly. and the governor of arkansas following indiana's lead introducing a bill that will allow business owners to
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refuse service to customers. good evening, i'm erin burnett. we have reports of new and horrifying video surfacing tonight of the final minutes of flight 9525. the build says it has obtained cell phone video of that -- we're going to spook to the editor-in-chief of that video. also breaking tonight, lufthanza says he knew all along that the co-pilot was ill. they said they knew that he suffered from quote, severe depression for more than five years. all the more shocking after love lufthanza's ceo said that they did not know.
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how much information did lufthanza have about lubitzew lubitz mental health condition? >> reporter: at this time they say it's from 2009 from lubitz himself, saying that he lad to take a break from training because of a severe bout of depression that he had. and the investigators say they found these documents today after an internal investigation. tonight lufthanza said that ahn -- >> i would expect that lufthanza would at the very beginning of the investigation would have handed over everything and would have worked with the prosecutor or the investigators to find solutions and if they with held information intentionally, that's not good. >> reporter: head of the german
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pilots' association says is to the circumstances surround lubitz's -- >> i would hope that lufthanza required him to see a psychologist. >> reporter: sources tell cnn lubitz seen here flying a glider as a teenager may have been afraid that his medical history would cost him his pilot's license. and that's what's behind the deliberate crash of flight 9525. >> we haven't found a letter or anything like that. that contends a confession. >> reporter: a european government official tells cnn the co-pilot's girlfriend knew he had psychological issues but did not know the extent of the problems. the girlfriend also told investigators she knew lubitz had been to see two doctors, an eye doctor and a entrepreneur row neuropsychologist, and that h had been deemed unfit to work
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after determining that lubitz had psychological issues including a psycho somatic disorder. as soon as lufthanza found those medical records that lubitz handed over in 2009 they say as soon as they came across these documents they gave it to the investigators to aid in the investigation. >> the editor-in-chief of the german magazine build online. i know you have seen this video, you believe it was shot from inside the plane moments before it crashed, i know you described it as very shaky, what did you see? >> well what we saw, erin is a shot taken in the cabin, that is a couple of seconds long and it appears that it was most likely in the final moments of that plane before it crashed into the
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mountains. as we wrote in our story as we initially reported by a very senior french reporter in collaboration with much of it. we wrote it's very shaky, it's very chaotic, but there are some things that are very much in line about what we not about the investigation so far. you hear a sound of a metallic sound that we believe is you know the knocking on the door you see kind of a chaotic scene you're able to tell there are people although you're -- fortunately i may say here not able to identify any of them. it is a very disturbing scene. >> so you are able to hear what might have been the banging of the captain and others on the cockpit door, you're able to hear passengers obviously reacting. are you able to tell what was exactly happening at that
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moment? >> well what is happening is an again we are what we believe is in the very final moments of the plane, that plane heading downwards, people are being in panic, people are screaming and, you know in the background we hear that metallic bang that was talked about before. and what happens then is that something seem tosss to hit the plane or the plane seems to hit something, and that was the end of the sequence of moments we were able to see. >> how was this video found? did someone find a cell phone on that mountain? how did you end up with a copy of it. as you point out, you have it build as it also paris match also has it. where did you get it? where did it come from?
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>> reporter: obviously i cannot go into too much detail of where exactly it came from it was a collaboration between us and build. and it was reported by a very senior french reporter who found this video with his sources and then went through the process of verifying it. as we stated in our report, you know it comes from you know the people who were you know investigating on the site that's as much as we're going to say about it. but that is a rough direction. >> so let me just ask you, because i've got to be direct about this i know you have seen it, you believe it to be raem what you describe is horrifying of what would be the time moments. but the french agency in charge says they're not aware of any video and officials on the ground are saying any claims of a video are completely wrong. i'm just trying to understand
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how confident are you? if this is real? that's the only audio, there's no cockpit video, there is nothing. how confident are you that it is real? >> reporter: well we are very confident about this and talking about the investigation, what i kind interesting is what we learned today is that there actually were cell phones and storing devices picked up fwrarom the site that is something we did not know before. and we did know that the french investigators are looking into that that is something they revealed today after the report. overall we can say many things in that investigation weren't revealed by that investigation in the beginning, i would say the major breaking news coming out of this was revealed by the "new york times." you know so we believe, you know we are not sure -- what we cannot say is they have seen it we are -- it's impossible for us to verify that but we learned that you know, that kind of wreckage cell phone storing
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devices were recovered on the site. that's also what the french investigator said "today." >> julian, thank you very much as we said the executive editor of build online. richard quest is with me now, along with anthony roman commercial pilot, itch this zoo is real, there are simm cards on the site there's other cell phones, this video although it may be shaky, that may been important, any kind of video record they can get. >> it gives you a feeling of what happeneded this video is a few seconds long, it seems to have had an enormous information just now, i have been talking about for seven seconds. >> people are obviously in terror and people are screaming is that there was pounding on the cockpit door.
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>> how much do you want to know about how awful this moment was? that's what this really is all about? how dreadful do you feel the need to know. >> richard, every piece of evidence in a criminal investigation and this is a lead criminal investigation. first, because in france it is a crime to crash an aircraft so therefore, every piece of evidence you have no matter how short or how minuscule it is stand by one second because we can take that two-second video and forensically examine microsecond time of the video, and all sorts of information can be cleaned from that. >> i agree. >> but the person who took that video, it's right at the moment that this wing might have hit a mountain, this person knew they were going to die so they wanted to make a record. >> i agree with you completely about the significance of this in that sense, but it should been printed first in paris match and build.
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>> agreed. we have to preserve the integrity of the investigation. there is a conundrum here the press's right to know and drint the information, to cross reference as the investigateive agencies are doing a proper job. however the investigative agencies also have a critical responsibility that takes press definite. >> it's obviously leaking when it shouldn't leak. this issue of severe depression lufthanza says he's 100% cleared to fly, and a shaky ceo came out, we let him finish his pilot's certification and then let him go. >> i'm not defending lufthanza's position here. but we don't know what he did when they came back. this ceo, 100% fit to fly. carlson spore says he's fit to fly, he's just been told eight
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hours previously five hours previously his pilot crashed a plane. you're now asking about an event six or seven years ago in the same pilot. i understand he can't have it both ways. >> why would you have said he was 100% fit to fly. >> he didn't say that. >> you don't think he went before the cameras before he checked the guy's records. >> lufthanza said we have just been into the deep files and we found this. >> then it's a lesson he shouldn't have opened his mouth and said 100% fit to fly. >> you would be the first one sitting here criticizing him for not speaking on the same day as the pilot. >> he had a responsibility as ceo of an organization to have the information he needed at hand at that time. that information would likely have been clearly stated in his personnel record if they already had the information, which they have stated they didn't.
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>> but richard makes a point, they didn't have it when they spoke. >> that information was readily available within their organization why wasn't it trns mitted to him or was it transmitted to him. >> how wonderful it is in the cold light of day to be able to say, when you've got 150 bodies on a mountainside, you've just been told by an investigator who's only discovered it that previous evening, remember they discovered this overnight that the plane had crashed. you have no way to go and get you are gently instantaneously, you're still trying to work out what happened. in the keld cold light of day it's wonderful for us to be sitting here monday morn quarterbacking of it. >> we'll hit pause on that. up next investigators zeroing in on a motive. authorities now believe that lubitz brought down that plane out of his own fear but fear of
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what? and is there anything that would justify what he did? and miss long -- and the indiana government northbound promptses to quote, fix the law that discriminates against gays and lesbians in his state, but what does fix mean? and guess what there's a whole other state doing the same thing, we'll be right back.
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tonight, new information on a possible mottive in the crash of flight 3525. a theory that the co-pilot was afraid of losing his pilot's license because of his medical problems. they believe this may be one of the reasons why 27-year-old andreas lubitz took down that plane murdering 150os. also lubitz' girlfriend said she knew he was having psychological issues and should on be in the cockpit, but she didn't tell anyone. >> reporter: long before he was killed a killer co-pilot, andreas lubitz was a boy who dreamed of flying the son of church going parents he grew up in germany. now the girlfriend he met in their hometown, including the revelation she was aware of his
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psychological problems and even knew he visited two doctors who told him he was unfit to fly. but even she was shocked by his actions, germany investigators say lubitz was suicidal seeing a psychotherapist even before getting a pilot's license. officials believe that burnout forced lubitz to take a break from flight control. lubitz's childhood dream of becoming a pilot may not have matched the demands of the job. >> they have to be able to work almost perfectly at all times. >> reporter: lubitz moved about two hours from his hometown to this quiet corner of dusseldorf about 20 minutes from the airport. by the time lubitz was living hire in what neighbors describe as a high end apartment, his psychological problems were apparently spiraling out of control. another ex-girlfriend, a flight
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attendant who he had a belief relationship with described him to a german newspaper as very troubling, talking about doing something that will change the whole system. he sought medical advise for help. he hid all of this from his fellow pilots. nobody suspected what would happen when lubitz locked his captain out of the cockpit steering flight 3525 on a collision course with the french alps. his career of flying ended with a nightmare descent for his 149 passengers and crew. investigators have spoken with both of lubitz' exgirlfriend the long-term girlfriend sheal actually hoped they would be getting back together. she said they had had a rough
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patch, she knew he was having problems and she knew he had visited two doctors who said he was not fit to fly. but even she was not aware of what lubitz was planning. it happens all the time, you can really know someone and not know what they're think thing. >> up front now your safety analyst who's investigated crashes for over 20 years and forensic psychologist dr. brian russell. you heard will reporting, she knew he had problems she knew that he had visited two doctors, those two doctors said he was unfit to fly. she knew all of those things she had been with him for it appears 7 or 8 years, but she didn't say anything to anyone else. she didn't raise the red flag. does that surprise you?
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>> the pieces of the puzzle are out there, it's just that no one puts them together until these things happen. proach it forensically rather than clintonly. >> what i'm trying to understand is that he had massive psychological issues, okay, we understand that. that would explain why someone kills themselves to mows of us it does not kill it does not
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confuse, it does not in any way add up to why you would kill 130 people along what yourself. there appears -- so what makes someone suicidal become homicidal because he did murder 149 people. >> well you're making a great point that everybody watching tonight ought to think about just on their own, because at some point, psychology leaves off and what has to come in is philosophy. so psychology can explain why somebody would turn rage inward on themselves about the fact that maybe they weren't going to get to keep doing their job and they're upset about that so they're suicidal. but there is no mental illness that explains why somebody then feels entitled to also take that rage and turn it outward on 149 other people who had nothing to do with the person's problems. that is -- psychologists will come up with a nice clinical
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sounding name for that psycopathy. gratifying or soothing yourself by causing suffering for others. everybody watching tonight has to decide what they want to call it. >> when you look at something like this that is so possible to understand evil is a word that a lot of people think of. >> well what i would call it at this point is just murder because we don't know anything about what this was psychologically driven because there are outside forces and i have dealt with mental illness, even within my family and trying to put all that together and figure out how it works and you can't figure it out. just being able to put a measure on it this person had some challenges this person had
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problems they were dealing with. but at what point do you feel qualified to say this is the point at which below this threshold you can't fly because you're going to hurt other people or you are qualified to fly. >> but if someone is diagnosed with severe depression the airline knew it. it used to be you couldn't fly if you had that diagnosis, then there was treatment, drugs, people are allowed to fly, is that law going to change? >> no it shouldn't. we're not going to throw out the baby with the bath water. we're going to find out what happened request this specific case it's not that the regulation needs to be changed maybe reinforced differently. a women that allows businesses to turn away gay customers. and martha stewart like you
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arkansas governor passes a bill on religious freedom, it's much like the one in indiana that allows businesses to turn away gay customers. today indiana's governor says he's going to fix the law. >> reporter: anger growing across indiana, in bloomington, hundreds of protesters keeping up the pressure against the religious freedom act. >> it's been a tough week here in the hoosier state, but we're going to move forward. >> reporter: in each study changing position indiana republican governor saying he's not inviting discrimination he still wants a fix. >> i have come to the conclusion
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that it would be helpful to move legislation this week that makes it clear that this law does not give businesses a right to deny services to anyone. >> reporter: pence says he will not institute state wide protections based on sexual orientation and he still dodges on whether christian based businesses should be exempt from providing services to same-sex weddings. >> do you personally believe that christian businesses that have deeply held beliefs about marriage should be compelled to supply services to gay and lesbians? >>don't -- the question you pose i believe is we're dealing here in a free society, with always a careful balancing of interests. and the facts and circumstances of each case determine the
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outcome. >> reporter: democrats here say the only deal they'll accept is repeal and if republicans fry to push something through without their input? >> my gosh, what message does that send to everybody? their way or the highway? they won't listen to anyone. >> across the nation, pressure ramping up. >> we shall overcome. >> in arkansas where a similar bill could soon be law, the republican governor there says he'll sign it. arkansas based walmart came out opposed. in georgia, the republican governor says he'll sign a similar bill, but north carolina's republican governor says he'll veto a religious freedom bill similar to indiana. now a little bit of breaking news here out of indiana. this morning, they had already some language drafted for this fix. i have just spoken to a republican staffer here who says that the speaker of the house is now going back to stake holders across the state to figure out a
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new fiction for this religious freedom act and they expect to have it in conference committee tomorrow or thursday and possibly to the governor's desk before the end of the week. a a. >> bill let me start with you, because miguel was just reporting that breaking news about the proposed fix. governor pence had an op-ed in the wall street journal that said -- now he calls for a fix that assuresa you cannot discriminate against gays and lesbians? >> i don't think -- i live in virginia that has a religious freedom act, and i think that our services public accommodations but he's under a huge amount of pressure from the business community, they have been under attack and kind of a
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mob hysteria has been working up against him. maybe in that respect, he's doing the right thing. >> if someone's religion makes them believe that being gay is wrong, that's what their religion make ss them believe, should they have to serve a gay customer? why should religious freedom be secondary to the rights of others? >> you know erin, i'm going to put this in a very perm consonal context, religion can be used to justify all kinds of things. and the previous law of 1993 that was in regard to the federal government, the sbechbt was, the -- if you read the legislation in indiana, individual is anything from a person organization partnership, llc, so in point in in fact it does codify
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discrimination, and i can tell you that my own grandfather who was white used the bible to justify why i wasn't allowed in his home because he believed that -- but my point is this is a very slippery slope and we used to believe these things and use these kinds of laws against african-americans and other groups in this country and we finally said you know what? we don't dischristmas face and that's what's getting lost in this conversation. because governor pence is trying to the say we didn't mean to the addition christmas nature. >> this law because passed at the federal level in 1993 it was never used against a single african-american. >> i didn't say that it was, i said in the past we have had previous laws. >> let's discuss this law, show me the examples of people w40 have been discriminated against or denied service. >> i'm talking about specific carveouts for gays and lesbians. >> there's not in virginia but
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do you believe a person should be forced to participate, let's say at some mom and pop florist overbaker in a same-sex baker if his or her religion says it's wrong. you should not be compelled to provide services to a wedding you do not approve of. >> with or without this law, they can still go and try to make their case. the point i'm making is it begins to be a slippery slope, when the initial intense, governor pence says this is about the government and not infringing upon religion. and that's not what the lang said and many of the people who stood with him when he signed this legislation, said very clearly their intention was to use this law to discriminate against gay people. >> if you're at a synagogue
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saying-if you think that religious institutions religious -- when there's no compelling state interest in something like a wedding where they don't approve of it. i think there's a closer call as long as there's a religion attempt to ball lnls the books here. >> this law goes far beyond that and there was a gentleman on today who owns a restaurant in indiana who says yeah i'm going to use that law so i don't have to serve gay people. >> that person is misinterpreting the law. it has been litigated in many states. you're inventing type threat kls. >> i'm using the language in the law. >> no you're not. >> section nine a person defined as individual organization -- >> the federal law as we all know that's why hobby lobby did not have the right to refuse
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abortion. what about the state government? >> this goes beyond that is the point, bill. >> it's a fascinating discussion because you can see how heated people get around this country, next we're going to talk to a sponsor of one of these laws he's going to make his case, arkansas is the next battleground and the manage who is sponsoring that bill will be here tonight. in small business you have to work hard, know your numbers, and stay focused. i was determined to create new york city's first self-serve frozen yogurt franchise. and now you have 42 locations. the more i put into my business the more i get out of it. like 5x your rewards when you make select business purchases with your ink plus card from chase. and with ink, i choose how to redeem my points for things like cash or travel. how's the fro-yo? just peachy...literally. ink from chase. so you can.
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breaking news protests in arkansas as that state's governor is getting ready to sign a religious freedom law that will allow discrimination against gays and less beians. the lar is similar to the one passed just days ago indiana. all right, senator, thank you so much for coming on. i know you know a lot of people are not on your side on this one. so i want to give you a chance to the explain what you think this is and why you're doing it. so let me just start with this basic premise, i want to understand in theory your law
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would allow under the auspices of religious freedom a small business the owners say they're very religious, they don't believe in gay marriage or they don't believe in gay couples so they then do not have to serve a gay couple because of that religion. that is something your law would allow among other things correct? >> now i disagree and i would like to go back and say that i feel like a majority of americans are on my side on this issue. this bill does not give an individual the right to discriminate. this gives an individual the right to hold their strongly held religious beliefs and a right to the first amendment and the freedom of speech. >> so i understand you're saying to express their religious beliefs, but you are saying at the expense of someone else's freedom. if my religious beliefs say i don't serve someone who's gay, or i don't serve someone who's black who's marrying someone who's white, i can deny service to those people? >> again, i disagree this bill
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is not about discrimination, this is about an individual person's right to believe, your rights stop where someone else's rights start, i feel like that's what the basis of the constitution is. a baker not to perform his services as a homosexual wedding, if he holds that as a sincerely held religious belief. i do not believe he has the right to -- it's about freedom of speech. >> you're saying he would have to bake the cake but he wouldn't have to put congratulations on the top of it? >> that would be my opinion of the bill. and i think i would give the same right to a jewish baker to not have to put a jewish swastika on a bill. this is about freedom of speech not about discrimination. >> so you would have to serve the cupping, you wouldn't have to endorse what they're doing. we just had a guest on the line
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who talked about how her grand father who was white would mpbltd allow her to come go his house when she was younger due to her parents mixed race. she said over time he changed, but what i'm getting at is 50 years ago, 100 years ago, people would use religion to say blacks couldn't marry whites that was what was happening 1 one00 years ago. are you on the side of intolerance? >> i can't speak of someone's personal family beliefs with the example you gave me. the raem realty is i believe in the right to freedom of speech. that's what this bill talks about. it does nothing to promote or discourage sexual orientation in any way. >> except for you don't have to sign -- you don't have to actually put a note on top of the cake the distinction that you drew before. >> yeah you nailed it. freedom of speech. >> so if some major companies
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are coming out against this as you're well aware, senator, walmart is one of them. that's the largest private employer in the united states the largest company in arkansas the largest retailer on earth. based on bentonville, arkansas the ceo just moments ago put out a statement. it said today's passage of h.b. 1228 threatening to under mine the spirit of inclusion throughout the state of arkansas and does not reflect the values we uphold. for these reasons we are asking governor hutchinson to veto the legislation. how much does that concern you that walmart is going to come out and criticize what you're saying? >> i have a tremendous amount of respect for walmart. i think they're missing the point. if mr. mcmillan had the time in his day to read this bill for himself, he would understand that this is about first amendment freedom of speech and
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he would agree with me. >> where do you draw the line? you said you have to bake the cake but you don't have to butt congratulations if it's a gay couple. so if my religion says i do not believe in blacks and whites getting married, i could also bake the cake but i can't refuse to put congratulations on the cake? >> it would allow them a defense. but i certainly do not believe discrimination in any way and i wouldn't support it. >> senator hastert, thank you very much and i appreciate your time tonight, sir. the next break with iran-- and how snoop dogg helped martha stewart prepare for her justin bieber roast, with one word, brownies.
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go wait one more day. >> reporter: the hours keep adding up. you have a bit of a pressure tactic threatening to leave early in the morning unless there's an agreement in past. bad cop to force things here but we have to manage expectations for what the best is they could get out of this even tomorrow. they're working on a very general political agreement. the iranians low to sign anything on paper. more to sign the later deadline. more of a memorandum of interesting than an interim agreement here. they're really punting on some of the most difficult issues until later in june. >> so basically it sounds like what you're saying is i get bullet points of we're going to talk about centrifuges but the numbers are not filled in. is that real progress? >> might just get a general statement. maybe a fact sheet to follow. but some of the biggest issues for instance how quickly do you lift economic sanctions on iran that's still undecided.
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does iran ship theuranium? >> the bottom line question in a very serious way here. you've had this delay for over a year. and it looks like when you're talking about the fundamental issues, we could be talking about a long time from here. i mean really we say there's a deal but there's no deal for months. >> reporter: could be. u.s. officials involved in negotiations say they started with hundreds of issues they've reached agreement on many of those issues and maybe half a dozen remain. the trouble is half of the dozen are some of the most difficult ones. big question to whether they can get to an agreement by tend of june. i would encourage you and us and anybody watching to manage expectations. if they come to an agreement, as to what that agreement will look at how hard and fast it is. >> they will agree that they will one day agree. >> reporter: exactly. >> not something to laugh out
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martha stewart is known for
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making a good dirty martini but did you know she was good at dirty jokes? >> reporter: if you think the only thing martha stewart can roast is turkey wait until you see her at the justin bieber roast. >> by the way, natasha, i do a lot of gardening but you are without a doubt the dirtiest used up [ bleep ] i have ever seen. >> reporter: she was flinging mud instead of potting soil. >> potting soil. >> reporter: it was a side of martha we'd never seen. we expected the prison jokes at her expense. >> all these rappers on stage and martha stewart has done the most jail time. >> reporter: put your ankle brace -- it was worse to come from justin bieber herself but martha an eyebrow. after all, when it was her turn things came out of her mouth we can't begin to repeat. >> ludicrous. three kids with three women. may i suggest [ bleep ] some
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fine highly absorbent martha stewart bed riddance? >> reporter: still flogging her sheets. her viewers were awe struck. martha absolutely crushed it killed it delivered the sickest burns. she was the baddest [ bleep ] of all. watch your mouth out, martha. preferably with one of your fragrant homemade soaps. >> what a beautiful block of soap. >> reporter: it was the cell block she saved for bieber giving justin tips for when as martha put it he inevitably ends up in? >> prison. >> first thing you'll need is a shank. >> someone you can indulge in a joint or the occasional three way. my advice is justin, cold call more -- >> reporter: remember the innocent roasts when even a turkey's rear end could make her blush. >> turn it around the other way.
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looking right into -- >> oh i'm sorry. >> reporter: jeanne moos cnn, new york. >> you got to give her a lot of. set your dvr to record "outfront." in the meantime "anderson cooper 360" begins right now. good evening, i'm wolf blitzer sitting in for anderson. tonight, a real shocker in the germanwings 9525 tragedy. not only was andreas lubitz suffering from severe depression during flight training back in 2009 the airline actually knew about it. bear in mind this was a major episode of an apparently chronic mental illness that just a year later would reportedly require injections of anti-psychotic medication to treat. yet the airline let him keep training and ultimately put him in the cockpit. that's one key development today but far from the only one. according to the french magazine the german newspaper built video recovered from a