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we'll continue with the updates on that throughout the day. in the meantime, thanks so much for watching. brianna keilar will step in for wolf. and she starts right now. hi, there. i'm brianna keilar in for wolf blitzer. it is 1:00 p.m. here in washington. 6:00 p.m. in london. 7:00 p.m. in dusseldorf and 8:00 p.m. in baghdad. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks so much for joining us. the fight to retake tikrit from isis appears to finally be over as iraqi forces take control of the city today clearing out the last pockets of resistance. tikrit is best known as saddam hussein's hometown, located north of baghdad. and isis overran the city in a key victory for the group early last june. then nearly a month ago, iraqi forces launched their latest offensive.
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celebration today, today's declaration of victory comes nearly a week after u.s.-led air strikes targeted isis bases around the city. and that allowed the iraqi army with the help from a coalition of shiite militiamen to invade the city. arwa damon visited tikrit earlier today and filed this extraordinary report. >> reporter: we're in tikrit city center. this is the main road that leads through it. the tank behind me right there is one of those belonging to the popular movement units. you also have iraqi police. that building we were told had a sniper and a suicide bomber in it. and over here you see what was tikrit governorate. this is one of the many buildings that isis fighters had
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booby-trapped booby-trapped. as one of their officers stepped on the stairs they detonated. the stairs themselves had been inlain with explosives. two officers were killed in here, three were wounded. further down you can see smoke continuously rising. this is a scene you see throughout the entire city. that is because, according to what we are being told there are so many ieds, so many booby-trapped homes that in some cases, they cannot be defused. forces are being obliged to detonate them in place. there are some homes that are actually on fire in the distance. now, moving throughout the city the devastation, the destruction is pretty widespread. we also were earlier inside the presidential complex. there, what were saddam hussein's palaces, many of them bearing the scars of what seems to have been the aftermath of massive explosions bombing by
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both coalition and the iraqi air force. now, we are still hearing sporadic bursts of gunfire, explosions in the distance. we're being told there are small pockets where isis fighters are still holding out. not very large in number though at this stage. and the iraqi security forces most certainly confident that they will eventually be able to secure the entire city. as you were saying there earlier, the prime minister already declaring victory. but given the widespread devastation, given the cost that just this city alone has already paid in the fight against isis well this is pretty much what victory at this stage looks like. >> arwa just made her way back from tikrit to baghdad where she's joining us now. and also with us we have cnn global affairs analyst bobby ghosh, managing editor of "quartz." this was a very dangerous assignment for you. in some of your other reports, you could hear gunshots.
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there are booby-trapped buildings around where we saw you there. your producer and your photographer there with you embedding with the iraqi military going into this city where there are still these pockets of isis fighters that are active. how big of a danger do the fighters pose at this point to the iraqi forces and the shiite militias who have taken tikrit back? >> reporter: well the iraqi forces and the shia militia are very confident in their own capabilities. in fact at one stage, we actually came across a group of those shia militias who were holding and dancing with a severed head they claimed was that of an isis fighter. we saw the decapitated corpse on the sidewalk. they feel at this stage as if they do have the situation under control. then again, under control in iraq can mean very different things. they do they they have isis on its way out. they're saying those last few
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pockets of resistance will be eradicated by the end of day today. at latest, early tomorrow. they do feel the bigger task ahead of them is clearing the entire city of all of these bombs. but this is as much a military effort as it is going to be moving forward a political one. they need to convince the sunni population to return that they're not going to be targeted in any sort of retaliatory strike attack by these predominantly shia forces that have moved through. it's a sensitive situation at this point. and tikrit is just beginning, and the dynamics in tikrit are very different than the bigger battle arguably that iraq is going to be facing in al anbar province to the west for example, not to mention trying to retake the country's second largest city of mosul. >> bobby, this description that arwa is giving us, of seeing some of these iraqi forces with a severed head there are concerns at this point because you have tikrit which is largely
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a sunni muslim area. there was sectarian resentment that really allowed isis to exploit the situation there and move in. now you have these liberators many of them shiite militiamen backed by iran. they are afraid of reprisals. what's the expectation? do these militiamen and iraqi forces come in and everything is good? or is there a very real concern about reprisals from them with the sunni population? >> the concern is certainly there. there's no getting away from it. there have been examples in some other parts of iraq where shiite militias in the guise of being liberators have conducted brutal atrocities against sunni populations. the big question it's clear now from tikrit that the iraqi military cannot defeat isis without the help of these militias. also with the help of american airpower, iranian assistance on the ground. but these shiite militias are going to be a crucial part of
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the military campaign. the question is can they now and should they now be asked to withdraw from the city and leave the job of bringing the population back in resettling them? should that be the job for the military? and is there a distinction to be drawn between the militias and the military? i'd be curious to hear from arwa about the commanders the military commanders that she encountered. are they talking about what role the militias will play now that isis has been driven out of tikrit do the militias still have a role to play in that city or do they now withdraw? >> what are you hearing, arwa? >> reporter: well that is a topic that is actually brought up quite often. and this is what we're being told by some of the senior federal police commanders. their plan for tikrit is to invite the local police back -- force back. this is the police force that ran away when isis first advanced. but they do plan on inviting them back as soon as possible. and then leaving behind a
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residual force that is going to help back them up. they are very worried about these militias. some of them describe the militias as -- especially when compared to the iraqi security forces -- as being out of control, that no one has real authority over them. but they're in a very difficult position because they do need these militias. one of the commanders was saying that the finances that these militias have and some of the capabilities that they have surpass those of the iraqi security forces themselves. so they do need them. they can't afford to alienate them or aggravate them because their potential for being part of the problem moving forward is very real. making them part of a sustainable solution that is going to be the big challenge. but bottom line is yes, they do by and large want to see the actual securing stability of tikrit the responsibility for that within the security forces that are part of the official government apparatus and not part of this group of various
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different militias. >> so iraqi forces in this tricky position of trying to manage these iran-backed militias. very difficult, perhaps, impossible in some cases. arwa, thank you so much for your great report. bobby, thank you so much for your great insight. coming up we have brand-new up-close video that shows the wreckage of germanwings flight 9525. we'll be examining the images for clues about the last moments of the flight. and the deadline for an iran nuclear deal has passed. but the sides are still at the table talking. we'll take you live to switzerland for a plyay-by-play report.
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new up-close images showing the wreckage of germanwings flight 9525. most of the images we've been looking at have been from the air. these are ground level picture that is give us a very different view of that tragedy that killed 150 people. we can see here crews removing large pieces of the fuselage. there's a new road providing easier access to the crash site. and two publications are standing by reports that a cell phone video was recovered from the crash site. they say that it shows the horrific final seconds inside the plane. french officials say they are unaware of any such video and officials from the airline's parent company, lufthansa, visited the memorial site today. the ceo expressing deep sorrow over the crash. he had no response to questions about co-pilot andreas lubitz. lufthansa now admits that lubitz told the airline he had suffered from severe depression in the past. i want to get the latest now on
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this crash investigation, also these new images from the crash site. let's bring in senior international correspondent fred pleitgen. he's on the phone from us from dusseldorf, germany. fred you have this new video and it gives us a much better idea of what the crews are dealing with as they search through the rubble here. tell us about what we see and also give us an update on the recovery. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. and you can see how difficult it is for those crews and how important it is that this access road has now been built. you can see how steep that mountainside is how much rubble there is on that mountain. but also quite frankly how badly damaged that plane was when it hit the mountain. remember that right after the plane crash, local people there said the plane has been literally obliterated when it hit the mountainside. that's certainly something that seems to hold true. it has been very difficult for those crews to work there. but we see they have better access to that site and they seem to be sifting through there
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and removing larger portions of the fuselage that are still there. now, the interesting thing about the recovery effort as it goes on is that french investigators have said that at least today no more human remains have been recovered from that site. however, they do say that the crews are still working, are still looking to see whether or not there would be anything else still there. remember when they find human remains, they mark those with red flags to show they've found something there. the recovery effort still going on. the french president saying he believes all of the victims will have been identified by the end of that week which is must faster than we've been thinking in the past. of course there still will be dna testing going on as to any human remains they find. and apparently also starting today, some of the personal things from the passengers will be taken away from that site as well very importantly, of course one of the things they'd be looking for is also the
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remains of cell phones, possible similar sim cards, anything that could give them clues as to what happened. >> let's talk about this report, a joint report by two publications "bild" and "paris match" that say this video shows the final seconds before the crash. now french investigators are saying they're not aware of any video. you have a police spokesman who says these reports are, quote, completely wrong. what are these publications saying in response to this? >> reporter: they are standing by their story. what they're saying is they don't physically have this video. however, they were able to look at it. and they're standing by their reporting. they say they've viewed the video. they say all this comes from an investigative french journalist who works for "paris match" and who also is in cooperation with the "bild" newspaper of germany as well. they've detailed what exactly is
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on that video. they say it shows the final about 14 seconds of that flight it shows the passengers screaming, someone banging on the cockpit door with a metallic object which could very well be the pilot trying to get access to the cockpit again. and then in the end, shows the cabin of the plane being jolted. and we can remember the investigators were saying the plane apparently scraped a mountaintop before then crashing into the side of the mountain. so they do give a lot of detail with all of this. however, you're right. the french authorities have cast doubt on it. at first they said these reports are untrue, unwarranted. they're taking a different line now. now what they're saying is no cell phone video has been used in the investigation and the french prosecutor is also saying if anybody has any, they need to come forward with that video immediately. so certainly it is something that is causing a lot of -- i wouldn't say uproar but certainly a lot of anger among the french investigators that something like this could be
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leaked because apparently even they at this point don't have tabs on whether or not they have any cell phone video, brianna? >> it's really baffling and raises so many questions. we'll continue to follow that with you, fred pleitgen. thank you. just ahead, we'll be talking with our experts about new images of the plane crash wreckage. you see some of them here. we'll be asking them about reports that that cell phone video came from inside of the plane in its final moments. we have that next.
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tire debris and huge pieces of the fuselage new video is giving us a closer look at the
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wreckage from germanwings flight 9525. i want to bring in our panel to talk about these latest developments. we have david soucie cnn safety analyst, former faa safety inspector. and also joining us we have clinical psychologist ramani durvasula and tom fuentes. david, let's start with these new images from the crash site. give us a sense as we see these tiny pieces some are large pieces of the fuselage. but so many are just small ones. the -- tell us about the difficulty of recovery of a scene like this. >> it's incredibly difficult to be able to move, to inspect. you have to respect the dignity of any passenger remains that might still be there. so to be able to just go in there and haul things away. to add to the complexity, these things had to be documented. they're moving them and taking them away from their resting place. how it rests is important information to have.
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that's all documented to rebuild the case of how the aircraft went in although we know the cause at this point, what made the go in. information about how that aircraft sustained and survived certain pieces will help engineers in the future to make better aircraft and improve this model as well. >> let's talk about this recording. the alleged recording, i should say, of the final 14 seconds on the plane. what we've heard from "bild" and "paris match," these are two publications, one german, one french. they're standing by their reports that there is a cell phone video recovered via a sim card of a phone showing the final seconds inside the plane. let's talk about this with you, tom, because you've got french investigators saying they're not aware of any video inside of the crash, no videos were used in the crash investigation and if anyone has such a thing, it should be turned over to the authorities. what does that tell you? >> absolutely. it tells me that's a very sloppy
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investigation in terms of the discipline, of the people at the crash site that are recovering evidence. that sim card is not only evidence for the investigators but it's also personal property of whoever owned that cell phone. there's liable to be family pictures and other information on that sim card contact list phone numbers, addresses, that are private property. >> so it could be real? >> right. >> it could be fake, it could be real. if it's real are you under the impression that it's maybe a rescue worker who sold it to a paper basically? >> i don't know who else is at that crash site recovering pieces of the airplane -- >> this was before the road was built even? >> yes. this has been for a day or two now. so i think the idea that someone at that crash site would take evidence and personal property and use it for personal gain or personal notoriety later and turn it over to the media is just incredible to me. >> ramani you are certainly in tune with what some of the loved ones of the victims may be going
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through here. when there are these reports of these final moments that even though it hasn't been published or it's not released this video, the idea -- the description of the video, what does this mean for these loved ones who are trying to cope? >> the loved ones are trying to hold onto any information they can get. and the idea that there could be something remaining that would capture the last experiences of someone they care about -- i can imagine all these families must be wondering, is this a member of our family? and it's a double-edged sword. it would be so traumatic to have this but i think it would also be maybe some step towards closure. these families are going through a trauma that's literally playing out hour by hour for them as they try to figure out exactly what went wrong. and now obviously how do they make a life from here on in now that this has happened? i imagine these families really want this information. they want to know anything they can know. >> and that's kind of
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counterintuitive because the instinct of so many people is to shield them from these kinds of things that essentially they will be terrorized by them. but you're saying in some way, it might actually give closure? >> i think it might. i think we can't assume that one size fits all when you're dealing with grieving and trauma. i agree, some families out there would not want to know what this is about. but i think we need to give them that choice. we cannot sit here and say, we know what's better for each of these individuals going through this very complicated, very public process of mourning. everyone's different. more than anything this is something that must be given to whatever family this belongs to so they can decide what to do with it. >> very, very well put. ramani, david, tom, thank you all. coming up they were supposed to be the lucky ones. 16 students picked by lottery for an exchange program. they're being remembered today at a memorial for the victims of flight 9525. their hometown paying a tribute.
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we'll be taking you there live next.
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today's service attracting an overflow crowd. some standing in the rain and wind to send up a silent prayer to the victims. cnn's will ripley is there outside of the church. will give us a sense of this memorial service and this is a town that's just beside itself. >> reporter: brianna, when you think about the fact that just 38,000 people live here and a week ago they lost 16 bright young students two teachers who were coming back from a school trip to barcelona which was supposed to be one of the happiest times of the school year this is a time in europe when a lot of students travel parents were waiting for them at the airport and then the awful tragedy in the french alps. people here are really having a hard time coming to grips with it. the memorial service was very emotional. at times as people were crying the skies here opened up and it started raining as well. it was chilling it was very somber and people here say they're also outraged frankly,
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that this pilot who the airline we now know were aware that he had a history of mental problems, he was still allowed to be alone at that cockpit at the controls with these students and so many others in the back helpless. >> it is so hard when you're talking about young people who had so much ahead of them in their lives and so many people from one small town. are there other tributes that are planned, will? >> reporter: we know on april 16th about two weeks from now, there's going to be a very large service organized by lufthansa. they will honor these students, most of them just 15 years old. these are tenth-graders. and also the other 149 passengers and crew who are the victims of all of this. people here they want to honor the victims but they also want answers from the airline. they want to know that there's going to be safeguards put in place to make sure this never happens again. people are asking why there wasn't a policy all along that
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there should be two pilots in the cockpit. and so they're grieving and they're also hoping some good and some change can come from this. >> and some understandable anger for sure there. will ripley, thank you so much. up next we will take you live to switzerland. we'll get an update on the nuclear talks with iran. plus reaction to the back and forth from congress. and california democrat adam schiff will be talking with us. stay with us.
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it's really been a roller coaster few days in switzerland as negotiations over iran's nuclear program blew past the original deadline yesterday. but all signs pointing to progress is a reason to keep going. cnn global affairs correspondent elise labott is following all of this in lausanne, switzerland, where the negotiations are going on. because this is changing almost
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moment to moment certainly between the wee hours of the morning and even now, tell us where we stand right now. >> reporter: well, brianna, we're about 20 hours past that deadline of last night. and the negotiators are still going. u.s. officials saying there's been some progress but still those sticking points remain unresolved and it's unclear if there's going to be anything to announce at all or when it might come together. but the german foreign minister has already gone a bit further saying the talks will go into tomorrow. and i've also heard similar from other diplomats. clearly they feel there's enough progress they're not completely deadlocked to say it's all for naught and go home. but clearly, there are unresolved issues. if there is an announcement and we don't know there will be it seems like it will be something very vague and general with a lot of issues unresolved. which is going to make it even harder for the president to sell
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to congress to prevent them from imposing sanctions on iran. >> are the sticking points still the same where you're talking about how quickly sanctions would snap back into effect if iran were to violate the agreement and also the later years of this 15-year agreement, the nuclear activities that iran would be able to participate in? is it all the same at this point what they're hammering out? >> reporter: that remains the big -- those are the big sticking points. how iran could resume its nuclear advanced technology. but also the snapback of those sanction. it's not only iran that doesn't wouldn't want the snapback of the sanctions, the russians don't also. once those sanctions are completely lifted, they're gone. it's really hard to reimpose them without getting around the russian veto at the u.n. security council. the russians aren't so eager to let them go. so it's not just those issues
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but there are the geopolitical issues of all the other countries, the u.s. with congress the russians with their insecurities in the u.n. security council that fit into it that's what makes this so complicated. but they are still going and we do understand the talks will continue into tomorrow. >> and so it goes on. elise labott for us in lausanne switzerland, thank you so much. let's talk more about those negotiations and iran's increasing role in the volatile middle east. here with me to discuss all of this is california democratic congressman adam schiff the ranking member of the house intelligence committee. you really have the message from the white house here that getting no deal might actually be better than getting a bad deal. just moments ago, white house spokesman josh earnest said the u.s. is prepared to walk away if necessary. can the u.s. really walk away? we're hearing this from the u.s. side of things. but iran and russia are much more optimistic about a deal. >> we can walk away and we would have to walk away if we don't get a good deal.
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it's very important for the president to come back to congress to sell this to point to concrete things that have been delivered in terms of being able to snap back the sanctions you were just talking about. that's important because otherwise it could take months or year to try to re-establish the same kind of economic stranglehold on iran if necessary. and it's important that inspectors have unfettered access not just to the sites we know about but other sites that iran may begin clandestine efforts. >> it's been years in the making of getting iran economically to a point where the u.s. would argue, it doesn't have a choice but to come to the table and try to get relief from some of these sanctions. elise spoke about the possibility that the sanctions could go away, iran gets what it wants. if it violates this agreement, russia stands in the way of putting those sanctions back in place at the u.n. level. and then the u.s. could have been played for a fool right? >> well it could happen. and russia certainly wants to have that kind of leverage over
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the united states over the other european powers that it would get by having a veto again in the security council to new iranian sanctions. you can imagine how that would factor in for example, if we had the same fight over ukraine three years from now when iran is cheating and we're dependent on russia to reinstate sanctions. that's a problem obviously we need to avoid. so it's tough. but you can see a scenario very well playing out in the future where the united states and our european partners very much suspect that iran is cheating. we have evidence that iran is cheating but then going back into the united nations to get those sanctions again would be very tough. >> let's talk about iran in terms of some of the leverage that it has. in iraq big news today, you see that iraqi forces were able to retake tikrit. but only with the help and they wouldn't have been able to do it without the help of these shiite militias that are iran-backed. is iran feeling emboldened here
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that since the lesson that we've learned from this situation with tikrit is that iraqi forces aren't strong enough without these iranian-backed militias? is iran thinking we can throw our weight around we're needed here? >> i think iran is feeling very emboldened by several things by the fact that you have this shia rebel take over of yemen, that you have a very close relationship with their arch former enemy, iraq where they can control a lot of the iraqi defense services. in tikrit it's more of a ix hedmixed bag. the al quds leader had to leave the area. that was a loss of respect and face for iran. so i think a mixed picture in tikrit but i think it will be very important for the united states to continue to insist that these militias not play an outsized role in the taking back of sunni towns because they could win the battle but lose the war if other sunnis feel that they're endangered by these
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militias. >> there could some reprisals. talk to us about congress' role and what you want to see in terms of congress' involvement when it comes to sanctions and these iran nuclear talks. >> well, i've been keeping an open mind about a deal. whether it's good or bad, it makes sense to wait to see if we in fact have one because sanctions will pass in a heartbeat if we don't, if iran either reneges, walks away, i will support them. there will be overwhelming bipartisan support for a new round of sanctions. the question is where will that leave us? i think this is what makes these negotiations so vexing. it's not like we're choosing between having a great deal or a poor deal. we're choosing between having what i hope will be a good deal or iran going back to spinning up its centrifuges, back to enriching uranium, coming close to a red line and having a discussion with our israeli allies are they getting close to your red line and how far are they from our own red line? we have to choose between these alternate futures and no one has
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a crystal ball. >> and talking about a slice of the pie when you talking about the sanctions on iran at that time. congressman, thank you for being with us. coming up, there is a call for a fix. the governor of arkansas refuses to sign a religious freedom bill viewed by many as a license to discriminate. the changes that he wants made before he signs it into law. we'll talk about that. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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it is back to the drawing board for legislators in arkansas. the governor announcing a short time ago he will not sign at least not yet, a religious freedom bill that some say opens the door to legalized discrimination against gays and lesbians. cnn's victor blackwell is live in little rock with all of this drama. and it seems, victor that governor hutchinson there in arkansas may have learned a lesson from what governor pence in indiana has gone through. >> reporter: there's the distinction that what we saw from governor pence was the call for the fix after he signed the bill. governor hutchinson calling for some changes before signing it, if he signs it at all. and it's important to highlight here that this landscape has changed. up to yesterday when this was passed by the legislature, the fight was between the two parties. now there's this intraparty fight where the governor is asking the majority republican house and senate here to make these changes. i just had a conversation with the senate sponsor, bart hester of this bill who said it's going
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to be a difficult climb for the governor to get this and he put the onus on the governor to make sure these changes he's calling for are enacted. he's specifically calling for allowing the first amendment to be asserted in private litigation or relying upon state law, one of the changes the governor mentioned in this news conference today. we'll see if that gets done. the session is supposed to be adjourned tomorrow. but there is some opening for this to go on for another day if they can get it done brianna. >> and tell us a little bit about -- it was pretty obvious that the governor was up against some major pressure here right? some big business pressure there in the state. >> reporter: business pressure pressure from local mayors from city councils across the state, also from the major employers. the mayor of this city the capital city little rock says that this should not be passed because it's too divisive. we heard from tim cook of apple who talked about the indiana law and what's being considered here. also walmart.
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but what really stood out here is when the governor talked about the divide in his own family. listen. >> it has divided families and there is clearly a generational gap on this issue. my son, seth signed the petition asking me dad, the governor to veto this bill. and he gave me permission to make that reference and it it shows that families -- and there's a generational difference of opinions on these issues. >> reporter: brianna, we actually heard through a statement, two members of the little rock nine nine african-american students who integrated all white central high school in 1957. they called this bill waiting to become a law if the governor signs it dangerous and derogatory in the current form. we'll see if the form changes. >> fascinating division in
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freedom laws is intensifies. we saw a short time ago the arkansas governor will not sign the version of religious freedom bill on his desk. he wants the state legislator to make changes before sending it back to him. he wants changes before he would sign it. meantime we are hearing the fix for the indiana religious freedom law, governor mike pesk asked for may come tomorrow. this is drawing social issues they hoped to avoid. this is not just cultural battle. financial repercussions are growing at a fast rate. i want to bring in gloria borger and peter. gloria democrats love quoting from it so much. are we going to right now. one of the recommendations, this is one. when it comes to social issues t party must in fact and indeed be
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inclusive in welcoming. if we are not, we limit ability to attract young people and others including many women who agree with us on some but not all issues. okay so there it is. >> there are a few things going on here. one of them is that republicans have had so much success at the state level during the obama years. the democratic party has virtually been hollowed out at the state level. what you're seeking is a lot of legislative activity done by republicans at the state level who aren't really caring about very much what the presidential can daltdidates have to do or think. that's what this is about. they are conservatives. >> they care about the grass roots. >> the problem republicans have in addition to republican presidential candidates having to talk about it the demographics of the republican party is change aing like the rest
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of the country. there's a poll i want to show you. republicans that a favor same sex marriage f. you're 18 to 29 61% of young republicans favor same sex marriage. older republicans, 22%. >> let's talk about this. you heard asa hutch inson saying my son signed the petition that says i should very toeto this law. >> that was striking. last year senator portman came out before hillary clinton in favor of same sex marriage citing his son's sexuality. it's not just republican party and primary that could be an issue. generally speaking if you look at millennial what is the number? 70% under the age of 30 support same sex marriage. it's not an issue. it's a settled issue.
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this is what republicans in washington worry about. if you're in the your 20s you look at what's happening in indiana and arkansas and thirks what is this? >> you talk to -- not just young people but people have their pulse on what young people want. let's talk about the economics of this. you're trying to attract young college grads. they look at these kinds of issues for a litmus test do i want to work for a company. you have wal-mart saying to no no. >> this is another issue the republican party has to deal with. the chamber of commerce business republicans who say wal-mart saying wait a minute i don't think we want this in the state of arkansas and other big businesses. even nascar in indiana saying no waiver sus van gel kals in the party who are worried about religious rights being infringed upon. the party has to balance the two
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sides. >> if this was a political site substracting business -- that's silly -- but if strictly political, mike may not have backtracked because he cares about his base. he danced with the people -- he's been social conservative for a long time. governor democrats and republicans, care about job, jobs jobs economic development. that's the name of the game across the board all the time. the minute this turned over and apple started talking about it it became an international story. then the chamber of commerce wing coming down very hard. they testified against this in indiana in which he. mike knew this was an issue and they still signed the bill. >> the difference between mike pence and hutch inson, he believes he can be a presidential can zat at some point and would have to run -- >> for hutch inson, it's not as much an issue. thanks gloria and peter. that's it for me.
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for international viewers, a man pour is next. and for our other viewers, "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. here we go. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me today with new revolutions this afternoon on the downing of germanwings flight 9525. really the big question other than why is there actually cell phone video from inside the plane right before it went down into the french alps. talk to two newspapers t answer would be yes. even insisting they have seen the video of the final moments a board the doomed jetliner. french officials say absolutely not, that footage does not exist and most certainly has not been leaked the. editor of build, the german tabloid pushing back in