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tweet me at wolf blitzer. tweet the show. you can watch us live or dvr the show so you won't miss a moment. i'll see you in one hour. erin burnett outfront starts right now. next a major flip-flop. two republican governors in two days both caving. is this major turning point in the battle for gay rights? access to a major battleground. you'll see the fierce fighting and the graphic images. cell phone video of those last minutes of flight 9525. how could it have survived that devastating crash? we'll show you. let's go outfront. good evening. i'm erin burnett. tonight, caved. the second republican governor in two days is now back down
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from a controversial bill that's out raged americans. a bill that critics say allows businesses to turn away gays and lesbians. the stunning reversal came from arkansas governor asa hutchenson. for weeks he said he would sign the bill but he backed down after pressure. he's now pledging to fix the law. late today, lawmakers in indiana said they are close to a deal to revisewaiting those terms at any minute. my it comes down to the definition of fix. what are you hearing? is this going to be enough to quiet the outrage? >> reporter: i'm hearing that definition is not easy to come by. republicans are in that room. they've been there now for just over four hours. they spent two hours earlier
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today and two hours later in the day. they have been in meetings. all schedule for here in the capitol have been put off to deal with this specific issue and try to figure out if there's a way that conservative republicans can get their way and please their base and that the left and lesbians and gays in the business community can get what they want which is something that tracks more closely to the federal government. bryan bosna is the speaker of the house here in indianapolis indiana. he's in the line of fire. he's trying to come up with a deal o on thisn this. before he went into that caucus he spoke to us briefly. an activist also went after him. listen to this. >> thank you. >> by the public. the outcry by your fellow legislatures. the former mayors of the city. will you not consider repeal? >> reporter: the question is when will they come up with
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something. it may be late tonight that republicans will decide amongst themselves how far they can go and that's what they will go with. we expect we will have a sense of where this is. they will go into conference committee and pass it in the house and senate. very quickly suspended the rules and putting it on the governor's desk before the ncaa shows up and the first tip off on saturday. >> we desperately want to do it before that. thank you very much. indiana scrambling to make that fix as fix. the second republican governor to bow to the pressure. he is saying you got to make changes to pretty much the same bill in his state. >> reporter: a surprise. >> i've asked the leaders of the
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assembly to recall the bill. >> reporter: after saying he would call the bill into law, he's asking the state legislature to make it like the federal law signed by president clinton in 1993. the intent is to protect business owners. >> they are listening. they hear you. >> reporter: critics say would open the door to legal discrimination against gays and lesbians. >> clearly there's been misunderstanding and confusion. >> reporter: one of the arkansas bill sponsors said the law would not allow for discrimination. here is his logic using a baker. >> i do not feel like he does not have the right to service a homosexual couple. it's about the message on the cake. it's about freedom of speech. >> he could have to bake the
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cake but not put congratulations on top of it. >> that would be my opinion of the bill. that's right. >> reporter: influential business leaders disagree. the ceo of walmart is urging the governor to veto the bill. walmart is the state's largest private employer. the bill threatens to undermine the spirit of inclusion. >> it's divided families and there's clearly a generational gap of this issue. >> reporter: even the governor's said posted a statement on facebook opposing the bill calling for a ground swell of grass roots opposition to house bill 1228. changing the bill is going to be tough. >> it's upon the governor. he's the one is asking for the changes. >> reporter: breaking news. the senate here in arkansas is working to give the governor the
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fixes he's requesting. the deadline has passed. the senate has taken the language out of two existing bills and replace them with the language from the religious freedom bills. they have done two. they have one in reserve. both of these have passed the committee. they are discussing amendment, debating amendments on the senate floor. if it passes tonight this house could come back and vote on this as soon as midnight and get it done this session before that adjourn before the easter break. >> thank you very much. they could have a fix that would protect gays and lesbians by midnight tonight. they are moving quickly.
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joining me to talk about this is an ordaintherrdained minister. you don't think the governors should have backed down. why? >> because this legislation doesn't need a fix. this legislation mirrors substantially the federal legislation that we've had for 20 years which protects the free exercise of religion especially for unpopular religious minorities. this doesn't need a fix. this needs leadership. what we need is leadership from these governors to say here is why religious liberty and the natural right to exercise your religion is crucially important. not a message of we have nothing to fear but walmart itself. >> what's interesting to the point that dr. moore is making
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is when you look historically this right to protect has been very core to the american values. people point to those and with reason. >> yeah. here is the difference that many have acknowledged. there's substantial differences between the arkansas law as proposed and the indiana law, and the majority of laws that have been passed previously in other states and the 1993. the 1993 law was intended the speak about religious minorities and government interferenc. the indiana law vastly expands so any person any company can
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discriminate against another individual. it's the expansion to include where the government is not involved. where it's for profit corporations having the abilities to discriminate that has people concerned about this being a slippery slope. >> that's not just true. >> it is true. it's in the language. >> that's a complete misreading of the law. >> do you want me to read it to you? >> i have it right here in front of me. all the law says is the government must show a compelling interest for violating someone's religious liberty. you're acting as though someone gets card someone can pull out and discriminate at will on the basis of religious conscience. that's not true. the only places where the pieces of legislation differ are in places that the federal courts have further defined. >> all due respect that's not true. >> it is true. >> the 1993 law was with regards to federal law. these are state laws.
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these are laws that -- >> the point that governor made about the generational gap. i want to ask you both about this. you have jeb bush marco rubio, ted cruz coming out in favor of these laws. the way they were. here the jeb bush and marco rubio. >> i think once the facts are established people won't see this as diskrim narcriminatory. >> that's a valid constitutional right. >> both of them came out and said indiana is giving voice to millions of courageous conservatives across the country. this flies in face of the american public. 60% of the them support gay marriage. if do you look at americans under the age of 34 that support
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is 80%. this is across both parties. it really is based on age. that's pretty incredible. it would seem looking at those polls, those men who are likely to all run for president are on the wrong side if not of history, of the american people. >> that's the very point of religious liberty. we don't have mob rule where unpopular opinions are done away with in the american population. that's what has changed here. what has changed is not the american principle of religious liberty. what has changed is there's an insistence coming from some sectors that says religious people shouldn't be in the way. we shouldn't get a hearing to talk about whether we have objections. >> find word to you karen. >> what if in this instance the law referred to people who are african-americans. we have moved past those kinds of laws those kinds of
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discriminatory laws. there's larger problem for the republican party because the party is trying to move beyond a small portion of its base. these kinds of positions that are promoting discrimination codifying discrimination against lgbt party are not part of expanding that's making the party seem less tollerant. >> thanks to both of you. we'll update you. next, exclusive video from the battle of isis. these are the images of the fierce fight against isis. these are exclusive images and tough to watch. we have a special report, next. flight 9525. the final moments may have been captured on cell phone video. how did it survive the crash? a top democratic senator indicted. with the white house abandon him.
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a major victory against isis. iraqi forces say they have taken back most of the city of tikrit after fighting a year now. that city is anything but safe. arwa has a look at this city where isis ruled for months. i want to warn you, some of what you're about to see is graphic. there's blood in the street. she saw a charred body destruction at every time. they were the only ones reporting on the ground in tikrit today. they captured these dishing images and so much more. here is arwa's report. >> reporter: this is the main road leading through tikrit. this is the center of the city. that building we were told had
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a suicide bomber and it's a sniper on the roof. there's still various gunshots that you do here. pockets of resistance still exist. that's the governor's compounds. when the iraqi forces went inside one of the majors was telling us it was bobbyobooby trooped. two officers were killed another three soldiers wounded inside. if we swing around a bit more you still see smoke rising. you see plumes of smoke throughout the entire city. there were widespread concerns that when this force came through tikrit a sunni area, it would be carrying out acts of revenge, retaliation. that smoke is not because homes were deliberately burned. we have not been done there to see it. you hear exploessions in the
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distance. they have collapsed on top of them. >> arwa is in background tonight. it's incredible you were able to get to tikrit and see the aim j images. how difficult was it for you to get there? >> reporter: we picked up an escort. we needed that to get through the various check points. additional individuals joined us to show us exactly what areas we could go to and perhaps more importantly what areas had not yet been cleared. the real threat as you saw in that report posed by the various bombs that exist strewn throughout the city but there were also some snipers and a few isis fighters that were still roaming around. those posed a possible danger to us and of course the iraqi
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troops there as well erin. >> thank you very much. break news the deadline extended for iran. the french foreign minister is getting back on plane. john kerry delaying his return to the united states. all this in a last ditch hope in the deal in next few hours. another deadline passed. does it feel like if they get a deal it's a lot about saving face and not about getting the right deal. >> i said last night we have to redefine the word deadline because so many have been passed. i think we have to redefine the word agreement. we're talking about a statement of goals.
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nothing written down on paper. nothing hard and fast nothing to commit it to. that's a problem. based on what we seen this week pushing back the deadline. real difficulty on some of the major issues. really leaves that has an open question as we look to the final deadline in june. >> of course fine as you said perhaps another word we should redefine. i want to bring outfront democratic congressman steve cohen. we chuckle a bit about redefining words like agreement and final. i want to you this question very seriously. the first interim deal with iran was a year and a half ago. we've had four delays in total. does this make the united states look weak? when you set deadlines and every time it comes you just extend
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it. >> deadlines are self imposed. the ultimate victory will be a nuclear free military weapon. there's no reason to not to take more time. the alternative to not having an agreement is iran double downs and gets a nuclear capability and the only way to stop them is through war. that's not good for the united states. that's not good for israel or iran. if we're at all close we need to continue to the finish line and protect the planet. >> i understand the argument you're making.
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should john kerry take that or should he say, i hear what you're saying. we don't want a military option but the united states needs to walk away. weer e we're not sacrificing anything exsent the time that john kerry and other diplomates are putting into the negotiation. it's a great opportunity to join the wall of nation peaceful nations. use nuclear energy for peaceful reasons and not get into the nuclear armament business. they're touch negotiators. i hope we are too.
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i think the speech by prime minister netanyahu and the difficulty seen it was exacerbated the bad relations with he and president obama has made it for difficult and strengthened the iranians hands. i just hope we can get an agreement. >> you mentioned sanctions. they are still in place and that's what the united states has on its side. i want to ask you about this because the truth i hear from a lot of businessmen is those sanctions have effectively already been removed. the new york times this week reported tweeted a picture of a western union open in tehran. are you concerned that main u.s. bargaining chip is not as strong as it should be?
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>> it's our only bargaining chip. they wouldn't have any reason to do it. >> fair point. thank you very much. thank you for your time. next the growing outrage. lufthansa ceo visited the crash site still calling it an accident. refusing to take questions. cell phone video from the final moments of flight 9525. it seems to defie belief they were able to get that video. how can investigators pull data from a phone all but destroyed? at your ford dealer... that's where! our expert trained technicians... state of the art technology and warranty parts keep your vehicle running right. it's no wonder we sold more than 3.5 million tires last year and durning the big tire event get a $120 mail in rebate on 4 select tires.
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never been seen pictures showing the devastation of the crash in the alps up close. searchers on their hands and knees with ropes trying to pull together and sift through the debris of that germanwings plane. ceo of lufthansa went to the site for the first time today and speaking to cameras he expressed his deep sorrow after
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seeing the images in person. >> tell us how somebody with psychological issues flies one of your planes? >> as you can see and hear, he and the ceo of germanwings didn't take questions. they turned their backs on reporters. they refused to answer questions. carl penthall is outfront near the crash site. >> reporter: aboard an executive chopper, lufthansa and germanwings bosses arrived to observe recovery efforts. motorcycle riders escort them where crash victim remains are identified. then a short drive to the foot of the mountains where flight 9525 went down. a wreath of pink roses and pale orchids, no written dedication. silence as they stare to the
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snow line. >> there's not a single hour where we don't think about this terrible accident the victims and the relatives and friends of these victims. >> reporter: reading from a statement prepared earlier they still call it an accident. investigators say it was no accident but a deliberate act by the co-pilot. >> i think it will take a long, long time for everybody, all of us to understand how this could happen. >> reporter: that's the question on everybody's lips. in a march 26th interview with cnn, they denied lufthansa had prior knowledge of his six-year battle with mental illness. >> the pilot passed all his tests, all his medical exams.
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>> reporter: on tuesday the airline concedeed it turned up paper work in 2009 when he suspended flight training. why was his mental health not regularly monitored? the airline bosses were not taking those questions wednesday. >> reporter: a pledge to the families. >> we don't only have this week. we want to help as long as help is needed. that's also my promise. >> reporter: then they fly out of this mountain graveyard. of course stigmatize mental illness in any way. we believe it was a rental
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question to ask and explain why he hadn't been monitored with any illness including the mental illness he even self-reported. we don't know why it was decided not to answer questions. we don't know if that was because of a legal issue or whether it was simply his public relations people fretting around. it was the same people telling us to behave ourselves while the statement was given. >> thank you. you heard him say the public relations team told them to behave. the executives turning their back and walking away. it's that silence from executives of lufthansa and germanwings that is angering so many of the victims families tonight who want an answer to that question. families like the parents of the 16 students from that small town in germany who paid tribute to their children all teenagers,
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all killed on flight 9525. will ripley is outfront tonight. you have been speaking to some of the family and friends. what are they saying? how frustrated are they? >> reporter: there's so much grief. so much frustration because they want to know why andreas lubitz who the airline knew had a history of psychological problems was allowed to be in the cockpit alone. they're families were joined by 600 people inside the church and hundreds more outside the church standing outside, braving the sleet and rain and wind and mourning the loss. also wondering why this airline
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is not giving them the answers they are asking for. >> we cannot believe lufthansa anymore. at first they said they didn't know anything. now it comes out they did know. >> the ceo is responsible for his crews. he has to tell the truth. >> reporter: tonight the families are saying they don't trust lufthansa. they don't trust the ceo and they blame the airlines inaction for what they are calling one of the darkest days in their city's history. erin. >> thank you so much. miles, you just saw the ceo of lufthansa and germanwings. they flew in with their p.r. teams to the site. they turned their backs and walked away. this is the same ceo who said
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lubitz was 100% fit to fly. now no comment. >> in these case there's a p.r. strategy and there's a legal strategy. often times, almost always they go in opposite directions. where it gets bad and ugly is when you try to meet in the middle and do both. this was a public relations effort but clearly these guys have lawyered up and can't talk or won't talk because everything is at stake, their jobs and the airline itself. >> we're reporting that lufthansa knew that lubitz suffered that episode during his training. how could this ceo said that pilot was 100% to fly. maybe he hasn't seen that exact paper but why would you say he's 100% fit to fly if you hadn't seen the employment record.
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>> it's hard to imagine he would sit through an interview without going through the file. that's incompetence or arrogance or maybe some combination of both. i can't imagine how he survives in that job. given the stakes here given the fact they knew about this and they was no follow up the entire airline is at stake. >> you think he will lose his job, most likely at this point, right? >> i think so. i'd be very surprised if you can hang on at this point. it's pretty amazing. you have to think about there's a pilot shortage. i understand that. they want to put warm bodies in those seats. how do you answer that? do you lower standards? why don't you pay them a little more and maybe that would take
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care of the shortage. >> good point. thank you very much. reports of cell phone video from the last moments of flight 9525. how could the video have survived the crash. a top democratic senator indicted. the biggest in more than 30 years. create new york city's first self-serve frozen yogurt franchise. and now you have 42 locations. the more i put into my business the more i get out of it. like 5x your rewards when you make select business purchases with your ink plus card from chase. and with ink, i choose how to redeem my points for things like cash or travel. how's the fro-yo? just peachy...literally. ink from chase. so you can.
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tonight, prosecutor in charge of criminal investigation into flight 9525 demanding any video from inside the plane be turned over to authorities. the reason for this demand is two major european publications have reported there's cell phone video of the last moments of flight. the online editor told me what he saw in that video. >> people are in panic. people are screaming and in the background we hear the metal bang. >> how could that video be? how could it have been salvaged from a phone that crashed in that horrific explosion? dan simon is out front. >> reporter: it seems incon prehenceable that a cell phone could extract video.
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>> anything that stores digital data we can recover. >> reporter: it begins in place like this. >> pop off this cable. >> reporter: one of the leading data recovery centers in the world whose clients include apple and the federal government. they can extract data from any device no matter how badly damaged. >> we have text messages and contacts contacts. >> reporter: this phone got run over twice by car or this camera sitting at the bottom of the ocean for at least a year. >> everything that's important to them as far as the data lives on one chip or a couple of chips inside the device. that's nan flash that stores data. >> reporter: it's extremely
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durable. >> in most cases does the chip survive a major crash? >> it does. even if the device is burned or smashes or crushed or wet, if we can extract that one chip or set of chips we'll be able to get the user data out of it. >> reporter: earlier in the day i took video of the golden gate bridge while my phone wasn't destroyed, the principles remain the same. getting to the chip very deep in the phone and putting it in a machine to extract the images. >> wefr oneevery one of those devices has a user's data. i would guess that most of that data is recoverable. >> reporter: as we have been reporting, french investigators deny the existence of such
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video. if this is real somebody got access to one of those devices and leaked it to the media. the experts who deal with this every day say you would likely you would probably be able to extract data or video from one of those destroyed devices. >> thank you very much. incredible piece. obviously anything they get so important for the investigation but for those families. any tekxts or video would mean so much to them. the first sitting democratic senator indicted for bribery in more than 30 years. hear him in his own words. is it cookie dough? white chocolate?
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almost 35 years. michelle is outfront from the white house. this is an incredibly significant story. you have the attorney general indicting a fellow democrat a sitting senator. what is he saying? >> reporter: this is 14 counts we're talking, bribery, conspiracy fraud, making false statements. just now he gathered some of his supporters for this press conference. he came out swinging saying he's been living under the cloud of an investigation for the last three years and he's outraged about this indictment. he says that prosecutors were tricked into starting this investigation through years ago by people who were politically motivated and he said that he will not be silenced saying i'm confident i will be vindicated and they will be exposed. this is not how my career will end. >> i'm outraged that prosecutors at the justice department were tricked into starting this
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investigation three years ago with false allegations by those who have a political motive to silenced. >> he said he defended his records saying he has always acted in accordance with the law, he's not going anywhere. he stands angry and ready to fight. >> this involves his dealings with the friend and supporter of his down in florida, a doctor an opthamologist named solomon melgan. it was interesting to note it focuses on trips he took to the dominican republic. once the word came out he was under federal investigation, menendez paid back $58,000 for some of those trips and said that was an oversight. he insists he did nothing wrong and said prosecutors can't tell the difference between friendship and corruption erin. >> thank you very much michelle. and joining me now, our legal
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analyst, danny cevallos. the obama administration his attorney general. bob menendez is the loudest and most vocal and many ways the most influential voice, and he's a democrat against a deal with iran. there are some who say, is this a link to that? some say that's crazy thinking but it could be possible right? >> federal criminal statutes are often criticized for being so broadly written it becomes a matter of discretion by the u.s. attorney. and in cases like these, i've handled cases like these that are so difficult to defend. this is a classic instance. you have very rich citizen giving gifts to public official and then public official happens to give some benefits some official acts that benefit very rich guy and under the federal criminal statutes and there is a ponopoly of them with this given behavior. bribery, services fraud.
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it becomes the burden on the defendant to prove they weren't so. >> so broadly written. who do you want to pick? rich guy giving a lot of money to a politician guy getting benefits kind of happens every day with a lot of people. but what's going to happen to menendez? i know he's going to court tomorrow. is he going to have to be what's going to happen arrest bail what's going on? >> once the indictment comes out, arrested and then brought for a bail hearing, detention hearing at the initial appearance and for the most part bail or defendant should be released unless he's a risk of flight he's a danger to the community or his case falls within presumption cases and those mostly deal with drugs, terrorism, these bribery cases are not presumption cases. so if the government really wants to detain him, they're going to have an uphill battle under the bail reform act. >> so he'll get to walk free. will he get to go to the senate floor, will he be serving his
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>> introducing dog on a stick. >> the hrb selfie edition. >> meet the fannie basket. >> reporter: you'd have to have your fan knee under for fall for these. an excuse for companies to introduce the most absurd dumb products that couldn't possibly exist. could it? i suppose pizza hut's scratch and sniff menus are technically possible. but pizza beer seems like a tall order. >> pizza hut pepperoni pilsner. >> reporter: april fool's gold. >> dog on a stick, get a harness for your cat. the cat on a stick. >> reporter: the inner selfie stick for selfies withhere the sun don't shine. if the shoe fits so will the phone. >> raise it to the perfect angle. >> reporter: features ten
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embedded cameras. >> the pfizer cam is my jam. >> reporter: after the car's grill. the bmw motor mouth. april foolishness wouldn't be complete without a new dating app. play dating for toddlers. also cute googles to play pac man and who needs shopping carts when there's targets revolutionary fanny basket. complete with cup holder grab those diapers. kelly ripa announced she's pregnant. she's not. sam smith announced he's straight. he's not. tom brady pretended he's in a full body cast. even for a second you fell for the selfie shoe you are a shoo-in for april fool. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> of all of those, that target
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fanny basket is a great idea. i'm sorry, i really think it is. it makes the fanny thing kind of cool. be sure to set your dvr to watch "outfront" anytime. "ac360" with wolf blitzer starts now. good evening. wolf blitzer sitting in for anderson tonight. the national outcry over state legislation that supporters say are only to protect religious freedom and critics say have been expressly designed to let people discriminate. we're talking about bills like the one indiana governor mike pence signed that almost immediately asked lawmakers to rework. the arkansas governor hutchinson promised to sign but declined to at the last minute today. each backed down after enormous pressure. the bill promoted with claims like a federal religious freedom law that passed years ago with bipartisan support and like laws in other states including one that then illinois senator