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@cnnsitroom. you can watch us live or dvr the show so you won't miss a moment. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back filling in for anderson 8:00 p.m. eastern, one hour from now. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront tonight, breaking news. break-through. are the u.s. and iran really signing a historic nuclear deal? will it actually shut down iran's path to a bomb? plus the co-pilot who crashed flight 9525. we now found out he was doing research about cockpit doors and suicide before the crash. one official telling us it was premeditated murder. two women allegedly inspired by isis arrested in new york charged with attempting to build homemade bombs and launch attacks in america. let's go outfront. good evening, i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight breaking news
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the white house claiming victory on a nuclear deal with iran. president obama calling a last-minute press conference in the rose garden obviously incredibly significant in terms of a statement, saying the deal will stop iran's path to a bomb. >> today the united states together with our allies and partners has reached historic understanding with iran which if fully implemented will prevent it from obtaining a nuclear weapon. >> earlier iran's top negotiator was less upbeat point out that any final deal has a long long way to go. >> it depends if he can finish it today. then the real task of writing and drafting and then finalizing and at the end agreeing on an agreement will have to start. >> the long tasks of writing it all down and agreeing on an agreement, that's pretty terrifying. still iranians were celebrating on the streets of tehran. literally, people were out on the streets in tehran
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celebrating this. they hope this will be an end to crippling economic sanctions. under the deal iran will cut its centrifuges from 19,000 to just about 6,000. and in terms of its enriched uranium, they're going to cut their stockpile enriching only 3.67%. in exchange western sanctions against iran will be lifted. still, there are a lot of hurdles and a final deal might well be derailed by congress. elise abbott was there through thick and then and you thought you might never get this. this happened in switzerland. you just had a chance to speak with the seven-day forecast john kerry who's been the leader on the u.s. side. despite the criticism, john kerry is standing firm isn't he? >> reporter: that's right, erin. i think this deal is a lot more than anybody thought they would get, a lot stronger than they thought they would get. during this week we thought we'd
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see a vague statement of generalities political framework, principles that they agreed on but we really thought the heavy lifting would be left to those negotiations in june. i asked secretary kerry now that he has these commitments from iran what happens if iran -- if these long-term negotiations for a comprehensive deal in june tries to backtrack. take a listen. >> then they don't get an agreement. look we're very clear about where they are. >> if they try to renegotiate, you'll end -- >> we've greatagreed and we're not going to renegotiate things. we've been very clear about that. >> reporter: so now the long hard work begins of filling in those -- the broad strokes of this what's going to be the backbone of this comprehensive agreement. and i think it's going to be very hard for the administration to get everything it wants from iran. iran certainly feels emboldened by that erin.
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>> thank you very much elise. president obama is insisting that this is a, quote, good deal but there is a lot of skepticism and the president's legacy is on the line. jim acosta is outfront from the white house. >> reporter: just when the iran nuclear talks appeared to be going nowhere fast top diplomats in switzerland revealed a potential breakthrough. moments later, out came the salesman in chief. >> the united states together with our allies and partners has reached a historic understanding with iran which if fully implemented will prevent it from obtaining a nuclear weapon. >> reporter: president obama sounded as if he was trying to convince the entire world that the deal now in place is the only practical way to block iran from nuclear weapons. >> iran is not going to simply dismantle its program because we demand it to do so. that's not how the world works and that's not what history shows us. >> reporter: and the president insisted iran will have no choice but to comply.
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>> if iran cheats the world will know it. if we see something suspicious we will inspect it. so this will be a long-term deal that addresses each path to a potential iranian nuclear bomb. >> reporter: but hold on. this is only the framework agreement that was due march 31st. the technical details of the deal still have to be worked out by june 30th. if iran starts playing games, the white house says tehran could face more sanctions with military options also on the table. skeptics from both parties in congress will be watching. >> we need the inspectors to have the ability to go in there and verify. and until that happens, it looks to me like we're being rolled. >> reporter: secretary of state john kerry, who led the switzerland talks, said the agreement is proof diplomacy can work. >> simply demanding that iran capitulate makes a nice sound bite but it's not a policy. >> reporter: for the president, the nuclear deal could achieve a goal he announced at the statute
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of his presidency to reach out to countries like iran. >> to those who claim to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist. >> reporter: either way, mr. obama's legacy could well be on the line. >> you've got quite a significant accomplishment. is it perfect? no. he bet a lot on this. and he's wrapped the last remaining 20 months of his presidency in what could be the most significant accomplishment on foreign policy if in fact all of this holds. >> reporter: and the president has been working the phones today. he's already spoken with saudi arabia's king and israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he's also scheduled to talk to congressional leaders and hold a summit with gulf coast state leaders at camp david later on this spring. nearly all of them have their doubts but erin nobody has doubts more than israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu.
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his spokesman has been tweeting today. as a matter of fact just in the last several minutes about this phone call between the prime minister and the president, saying that right now the way this deal is shaping up at the moment that it would threaten israel's survival. so some very tough talk coming out of the israeli government tonight, erin. >> they are not backing down. thank you very much jim acosta. outfront now, mark dubowitz. he's testified in front of the senate foreign relations committee on iran negotiations. peter bindhart is a senior fellow. mark you just heard the president of the united states say if iran cheats we will know it. and we will inspect it. you have to admit this four pages of bullet points is a whole lot more anybody thought we were going to get. >> that's true erin. just because it's detailed doesn't mean it's a good deal. the fundamental problem is that iran will retain the essential elements of its military
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nuclear program. it's not good enough that the world knows it. it's not good enough that the world inspects it. the real question is given the fact that iran retains this many practice what do we do when we discover that the iranians are cheating and they have a 20-year track record of nuclear mendacity. how are we going to enforce this deal and will booefwe have to use military strikes? of course not, we need economic leverage. my biggest fear is that we are trading permanent sanctions relief for temporary limits on iran iran's nuclear program. we will find that the iranians at some point in a decade or so will have threshold nuclear capacity to move towards a nuclear weapon. >> so peter, let me ask you about a point mark just made there, which is about not being able to verify. one thing in this deal that was impressive is inspectors can go anywhere. in the past peter, we know they weren't able to go everywhere. that is significant. but in terms of going at any time that's not in here.
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right now there's nothing in this deal that says inspects can come any time they want show up unannounced and surprise the iranians. if you can't do that how can you really verify they're not cheating? >> i think the key question is what are you comparing it to? do you compare it to complete iranian capitulation which is the stance of obama's critics in congress and israel? no. we don't have the capacity to force complete iranian capitulation and we couldn't even if we walked away from this deal. you know what would happen the sanctions regime would crumble because china and russia are not going to keep sanctions on iran forever if there's no prospect of a deal. the best way to look at the deal is compare it to the alternative. it's a heck of a lot better than the alternative. the alternative is no eyes and ears on the ground in iran whatsoever. it's 20,000 centrifuges as opposed to 5,000 or 6,000 centrifuges. it's iran not closing down the ability to make enriched uranium at these key facilities. so compared to the alternative,
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this is much better. >> all right, thanks very much to both of you. i want to go straight to the spokesman for israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu. mark thank you for joining us. obviously very late in jerusalem. tonight you are live there. you just heard peter binehart say complete iranian capitulation was not possible. certainly getting these four pages of detailed bullet points is more than anybody thought possible. is there something in this deal as israel that you would say, all right, this is progress? >> no. we see this deal as very dangerous. we say this deal is a move in the wrong direction. if this framework actually becomes the basis, the foundation for a final deal with iran we see this like the deal with north korea. you'll recall in the 1990s north korea signed a deal they committed themselves to nonproliferation kept their nuclear program intact and when ready they exploded a nuclear
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device. today they threaten east asia. iran is much much dangerous than north korea. >> there is though this point that now the united states at least so far in this deal has the ability to inspect anywhere right. historically key sites were not open to inspectors. this deal changes that. they would be able to go anywhere they want. the number of sentcentrifuges cut from 20,000 to 6,000. when you see all these specifics in here, it sounds like there is progress. >> let's be clear. when you're dealing with an totalitarian regime their ability to play games with inspectors is proven. we've seen that in iran we saw that in iraq we saw that in libya. in other words, when you're dealing with this sort of regime inspections alone cannot solve your problem. and let's look at what's in this deal. this deal the framework that's on the table that's being talked
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about now, gives iran an extensive, expansive nuclear infrastructure remains in place. thousands of centrifuges. it allows them to continue research and development r & d on better centrifuges. it's very dangerous. of course not in the deal is the iranian missile program. they are building today intercontinental ballistic missiles. they're not building those missiles to target israel. they already have missiles to hit my country. they're building those missiles to hit targets well beyond the horizon like the united states of america. that's not part of the deal. you know what else is not part of the deal? iranian behavior. the iranians are exporting their part to syria, to iraq to lebanon. cnn has reported that widely. this is a regime dedicated to a very extreme fanatical islamist radicalism.
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what about a change in the behavior of the regime. stop exporting terrorism, stop your aggression in the region stop calling for the destruction of the state of israel as they did just yesterday. >> and, mark and they have called for the destruction of the state of israel certainly the supreme leader in tweets in the past few months has done that as we've reported. it's a fair point. but is this deal better than getting no deal at all? with no deal at all, you didn't have access to all of the sites, you had more centrifuges, you didn't have any verification at all. there's several things in here that you now have that you didn't have. they're agreeing to limit they're only going to enrich uranium to 3.67%. with no deal you wouldn't have any of that. you'd have a theoretical military option which the whole world knows is not an option. the united states has no intent of going to war with iran. >> the alternative to this bad deal is a good deal. a good deal is one that actually restricts and dismantles the iranian nuclear military
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infrastructure a deal that demands real changes in iranian behavior. i want everyone to think for a moment about what i spoke about a moment ago, the example of north korea. everyone praised and celebrated that agreement, and that agreement came back to haunt us all. i think the same mistakes could be repeated again now. this regime is only building a nuclear infrastructure for a nuclear weapon. that's what they want. and unfortunately -- i mean look at the cameras coming out of tehran. people there celebrating? why are they celebrating? because they think they get the sanctions lifted and they get to keep their nuclear program too. >> mark regev thank you very much joining us live from jerusalem tonight. outfront next a computer belonging to flight 9525's co-pilot reveals he researched suicide and cockpit doors. so was this premeditated murder?
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revelation in the germanwings investigation. prulters prosecutors say a tablet seized from lubitz' apartment reveals chilling internet searches in the time leading up to the crash. >> according to the search terms, the user search medical treatment and sought information on methods to commit suicide. on one day the user searched several minutes with search terms relating to cockpit doors and their security measures. >> reporter: a european government official with detailed knowledge of the investigation tells cnn all evidence points to the premeditated murder of 149 innocent people. as mourners remember the lives cut short, disturbing new details emerge about lubitz' rapidly deteriorating physiological health. a law enforcement source close to the investigation says lubitz suffered severe depression and stress late last year.
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he was doctor shopping seeing as many as six for ongoing sleep and vision problems. lubitz was even prescribed heavy depression medication. the source believes he was not taking the day of the crash. and now french prosecutors say they have the second black box. these new photos show the flight data recorder burned and buried 8 inches under the surface of a ravine in the french alps. investigators say it will help answer key questions, including if lubitz manually flew the plane into the mountain range at more than 400 miles an hour after a terrifying eight-minute descent. >> on several occasions the pilot acted twice to prevent the alarm. in the last few minutes of this flight it was a voluntary action which guided the plane towards the mountain. >> reporter: more than a week and a half into the investigation, officials are moving closer to answering key questions, but the biggest question of all remains
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unanswered. why? tonight that really is the key question. they know that lubitz had serious psychological problems problems that he had been fighting for years. they know that he was having relationship problems with his girlfriend. they know that he was very afraid perhaps of losing his pilot's license. but in all of the evidence that they have seized erin they have not found any note no clue no smoking gun to indicate why this 27-year-old would get in a plane and fly it with all those people into a mountain. and that's what's so frustrating and disturbing for not only the investigators, but the families here in germany and many other countries tonight. erin. >> will ripley thank you. and now our safety analyst, david susi anthony roman a commercial pilot and dr. daniel aman. good to have all of you with us. david, let me start with you. we now find out that this man had searched prior suicide and
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also searched about cockpit door security. one official telling us that this is now premeditated murder. when you heard that, that he had searched for cockpit security and suicide, what did you think? >> well it was a little curious to me because of the fact that as a pilot he would have access to all the training materials that he needed on that cockpit door and how to use it. it appeared to me that he was disassociating trying to look for something in there or trying to hide the fact that he was researching it. in the training records it may have shown up that he was researching it so there's ways around it. the fact is he did research something that had to do with exactly what has gone on here. a lot of pilots don't know exactly how to turn that lock off so it may have been just that making sure he understood how to keep the pilot out. >> thoebanthony, many pilots don't know how to operate that door and keep someone out, that he actually had to do that research. what's your reaction? >> i don't believe that's the case. i think that they receive adequate training i received
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adequate training relative to the operation of that door and we know how to operate that door. what else can it be? strictly from an investigative perspective, he has now entered a state in which he is planning his suicide and murder. he knows he's going to kill 150 people so that's all we can call it. so what's the purpose of researching the security of the door? he must be planning to lock the captain out. he knows that the captain and crew are going to try and batter that door down and he's researching how much can the door take because that really isn't a tremendous part of the training, how much can it handle. can it handle the service cart being used as a battering ram against it? i believe that's where his mind was at the time. >> doctor what's your reaction? >> well we do imaging and we've actually published studies on
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both suicide and murder. what we often see is that people who do both have really low activity in the front part of their brain. the doctor shopping doesn't surprise me because obviously he was in pain and he wasn't getting the help that he needed. >> you're referring to the fact that he went to six different doctors, he went to a lot of different doctors? >> right. and a lot of people do that because they're not getting relief from the chronic pain that they feel. now, obviously very damaged brain or deranged brain because he wasn't thinking about how would this hurt all the families associated with it. and ultimately the millions of people who fly, who now have anxiety issues because of it. it's just devastating. >> it is. and david, you know the prosecutor we just heard him say lubitz prevented an alarm from going off in the cockpit. he said that he acted twice to
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prevent an alarm in the last few minutes of the flight. and actually reduced the speed of the plane to prevent that alarm. what alarm could that be? how significant could that be? that's new information tonight. >> well yeah if the aircraft was oversped and it very well could have been if it was going down what i speculate happened is he took action to reduce power and to slow the aircraft down as to not trip the alarm. if the alarm goes off, then the acar system will activate an abnormal situation and notify the carrier. they're going to know what's going on. i think this shows that there was an attempt on his part to make it gradual enough where the alarms don't go off. i think he wanted to go down as a hero appearing to be some kind of pilot who saved this aircraft or attempted to. i don't think he was thinking he would get caught at this. >> and that's a whole new angle, anthony, that he planned it premeditated murder. he wanted people to think there was hypoxia on the plane and he tried to save them. >> yeah i agree with david on
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this. there's no other reason. he was an excellent pilot. he wanted to remain proficient all the way down and appear to be trying to save the plane. no other explanation. >> thanks to all of you. next three terror suspects under arrest tonight in new york city. two women allegedly inspired by isis who were trying to make history with a series of attacks and building bombs. and gunmen killing about 150 students in a university today. it was a deadly siege raging for more than 14 hours. hundreds still unaccounted for. we have a live report. doug. you've been staring at that for awhile, huh? listen, td ameritrade has former floor traders to help walk you through that complex trade. so you'll be confident enough to do what you want. i'll pull up their number. blammo. let's get those guys on the horn. oooo looks like it is time to upgrade your phone, douglass. for all the confidence you need. td ameritrade. you got this. people
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breaking news. a federal warning tonight, be on alert for suspicious activity because three key terror suspects appeared in a new york court today. they include a top al qaeda terrorist who was on the pentagon's kill list and two women apparently inspired by isis. according to the federal complaint, they were plotting to use a weapons of mass destruction to kill countless americans, one of their top targets is police officers. jason carroll is live outside that courthouse. jason, these women trying to build bombs, they had done extensive planning. how far along were they?
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>> reporter: well extensive planning and planning for an extended period of time for more than a year according to the complaint, in terms of how long investigators have been looking at these two suspects. they are identified as noelle velentzas, 28 years old. she's married, she's the mother of a young girl and her roommate asia siddiqui both of them roommates from queens new york. they made their first court appearance erin a little earlier today. when they stood in front of the court the judge asked them if they understood the charges they were facing. both of them said yes. according to the federal complaint, both of them had planned to use an improvised explosive device. both of them apparently in possession of things such as propane gas tanks, other bomb-making materials, including pressure cookers. apparently erin they were inspired by the boston bombing where pressure cookers were used there. their goal in terms of their
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plot was to learn how to blow up a bomb from afar rather than making it a suicide mission. another goal was to make history. also to target members of law enforcement rather than civilians. now, a little earlier this afternoon siddiquiest's attorney came out and spoke to the press very briefly, defendedinged his client but said he was not going to try this case in the press, he's going to do it in the courtroom. >> my client will enter a plea of not guilty. even when there's an indictment. and she and i will address everything in the courtroom where it belongs, and even though your very interested that's about it. >> also siddiqui according to the complaint, erin had contact with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. at one point wrote a poem for a jihadi magazine. that again also according to the complaint.
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we also went out to the neighborhood, our cameras were there speaking to some of the people who knew these women. all of them saying there was no indication that they were radicalized, no indication that they had jihadist leanings. both expected to make their next court appearance may 4th. erin. >> jason, thank you very much. also today one of al qaeda's top operatives in new york an american he's from texas, accused of plotting to fight against the united states forces and of planning attacks in the united states. evan perez is outfront live in new york. evan who is this alleged al qaeda member? a man from texas. what do you know about him, how long have they been looking for him? >> reporter: erin his name is mohammed al farik, he's 29 years old. he's from texas, as you said. he grew up however, in jordan and came on the radar in 2007 when he and a couple of other students at the university of manitoba disappeared and decided to go to pakistan to try to join
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al qaeda. now, he's been the subject of some debate inside the u.s. government. some u.s. intelligence agencies believe that he had risen pretty high up in al qaeda and perhaps was helping them with recruitment and perhaps even with logistics of some of their attacks. there are others inside the government who believe that since he was an american citizen, they needed more proof, because there were people who were pushing to put him on the u.s. kill list erin. the pakistanis arrested him just a couple of months ago. when they realized that they had an american they contacted the fbi. the fbi has now interviewed him. they brought him here to court today. he didn't really -- he didn't say much. there was no plea entered. but you can bet that the fbi is very interested to figure out what else he knows about al qaeda and about any other americans who might be over there. >> all right, thank you very much. evan perez. no doubt outfront seth jones the director of international security and defense policy at
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rand. seth i want to start with these two women. they were not unsophisticated. they had prepaid phones. when they weren't using them batteries came out, the sim card came out. they were trying to evade being watched. they avoided videos and websites that were commonly used for jihad. what does that sophistication say to you? >> well erin what it says to me is they were very careful about trying to learn lessons from past plots and past arrests in the united states. as you noted, they were careful in trying to take out batteries and sim cards. when they pulled out information from the internet they were very careful in not pulling out information like "inspire" magazine that would cause the concern from u.s. intelligence agencies the fbi. what it says is they were serious about plotting serious enough that they realized that doing it in such a way as to highlight concerns and at
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wearness of u.s. intelligence agencies would foil their ability to implement a plot. >> and they also were planning to target police officers. they talked about how they wanted to attack that funeral here in new york. of course when those police officers were so tragically and horrifically murdered they wanted to attack that funeral. they decided that wouldn't be possible at this time but that's what they wanted to do. they criticized boston bombers because they said quote, it would be better to attack the head the neck, the shoulders of the snake, talking about trying to attack law enforcement and authority. what do you say to that? >> well a number of the attacks that have been plotted in the u.s. over the past several years, like the times square bomber or the suicide bomber in the new york city subway were interested in killing a lot of civilians. there have been a few cases we've seen like this where they have wanted to target soldiers like we saw at ft. hood or even ft. dix.
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this was a focus on limiting civilian casualties and focusing really on law enforcement or soldiers really the ones that are guilty of owe pressing muslims in their view. up next terrorists attack a university at dawn killing almost 150 people. 79 wounded, hundreds hostage. we don't know what that final death toll will be but it seems the gunmen targeted christians. a live report next. and this pilot had a terrifying midflight breakdown unless passengers wrestled him down. now he is suing the airline. why? and could he win? you can't predict the market. but at t. rowe price we've helped guide our clients through good times and bad. our experienced investment professionals are one reason over 85% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper averages. so in a variety of markets we can help you feel confident. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information
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breaking news. at least 147 people killed by al qaeda linked terrorists. gunman storming a university today in kenya, slaughtering dozens of students taking hundreds more hostage. the attack lasted for hours. witnesses say terrorists targeted christians and let the muslims flee. this is the same terror group that carried out a four-day massacre at a mall in nairobi
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and called for similar attacks in the united states. barbara starr is outfront. >> reporter: it is a blood bath at a college in kenya. 147 people killed and dozens injured when heavily armed gunmen from al shabab an islamist militant group, stormed garissa university in southern kenya. an eyewitness reported the attackers burst into early morning christian prayers and then began separating muslim and christian students killing the christians. not a surprise that terrorists went after a large student population. nearly impossible to fully protect. >> kenya is such an important target for al shabab because kenya has been the primary driving force behind operations against al shabab in the region. they're the biggest, biggest enemy for al shabab. >> reporter: kenyan troops have taken the lead in attempting to push al shabab out of its
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traditional stronghold in somalia. kenya's president, trying to reassure his country, calling up more police recruits. >> i also take this opportunity to urge kenyans to stay calm as we resolve this matter. >> reporter: the siege ongoing for hours, as kenyan security forces fired back and rescue forces tried to move in. >> we have been sharing gunfire. military tanks have also moved into the university compound. >> reporter: the u.s. has targeted several top al shabab leaders, finally killing the group's leader after several failed attempts. he was allegedly behind 2013's deadly four-day siege of the westgate shopping mall in nairobi, kenya, which killed at least 67 people something u.s. officials fear could happen here. in february an al shabab video threatened to attack the mall of
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america and other u.s. targets. >> if anyone is planning to go to the mall of america today, they have got to be particularly careful. >> reporter: thankfully there were no attacks against u.s. malls, but that has not lessened u.s. concern that al shabab may be able to recruit young somali americans and inspire them to conduct lone wolf attacks. erin. >> horrific attack today. thank you, barbara. and next cell phone video captured this pilot's frightening midair meltdown. so he melted down passengers had to subdue him to try to save that plane. guess what now he is suing the airline. we have that story. and vatican weight watchers are after pope francis. they say cut back on the pasta. jeanne moos on the pleasantly plump pontiff. sometimes the present looked bright. sometimes romantic. there were tears in my eyes. and tears in my eyes. and so many little things that we
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tonight a former jetblue pilot who terrified passengers and forced an emergency landing is suing the airline. he says jetblue shouldn't have let him fly. clayton osbon is suing the airline for nearly $15 million. tom foreman is outfront. >> reporter: for 135 passengers on the flight from new york to las vegas, it was horrifying. the plane's captain raving in the aisles about terrorism, religion.
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crew members and passengers wrestled the captain to the floor and after an emergency landing, the fbi took him into custody. >> when we took him down he was screaming about say your prayers, say your prayers. he clearly demonstrated the level that he was just not coherent and realizing what he's doing or saying. >> reporter: but the new lawsuit contends jetblue and the flight crew should have realized he had a problem and kept him from flying. the suit says he suffered an undiagnosed brain injury in his childhood, an injury that caused a seizure that day which in turn gave clear warning signs and caused him severe paranoia and hallucinations. according to the suit osbon uncharacteristically missed a preflight meeting, was slow and inefficient going over a checklist and missed radio calls from air traffic control. nonetheless, the suit says the plane flew on for approximately
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three hours after osbon told his co-pilot he was unfit to fly. even as osbon began to rant and rave in the cockpit, and only when he stormed through the cabin did the plane make an emergency landing. osbon's neighbors were shocked by something snapped and i've never heard him talk politics or war or anything like that. >> reporter: jetblue said a written response to the lawsuit, while we can't discuss the specifics of what happened that day due to ongoing litigation we stand by the heroic actions of the crew who followed well established safety and security procedures both before and during the flight. osbon was taken into custody and charged. the federal judge said he did interfere with the flight crew but she found him not guilty by reason of insanity. his lawyer now said j getting medical help. shy of $15 million to cover the
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damages and to pay for the loss of his career as a commercial pilot. erin erin? >> thank you, tom foreman. danny cevallos is out front. a few things stand out to you. this guy suing for $6 million. he said he has to be subdued and the airline is at fault for letting him fly because he had undiagnosed brain injury as a child. it sort of sounds rekick louse when you look at those few headlines. >> this is directly from the plaintiff's complaint himself. claims just like you said he suffered from an undiagnosed completely unknown asimpleymptomatic brain injury. completely unknown asymptomatic condition. >> he didn't know. none of his doctors but the airline should have known. that's his argument. >> that's his argument and what this comes down to the
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allegations and the complaint, these are the plaintiff's own words, that i had this condition. i was unfit to fly and now i had no idea i was unfit to fly until it was clear that i was unfit to fly. so really you can boil this complaint down to we know that jetblue acted. we know they put him out of the cockpit. his complaint is that they should have done so earlier, but the thing is this: it is true that the faa requires the pilots get certified by a doctor and beyond that most common carriers will take an extra step and impose a duty on the rest of their colleagues like the co-pilot to be on the lookout for that. but what do you have? a complex brain procedure. what he's alleging is something that even doctors misdiagnose or failed to diagnose. may not even show up on an eeg. the question becomes what to what degree do we hold his colleagues? >> this is different than 9525 where you had a guy who sought help from doctors, diagnosed
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concerns searched suicide and cockpit door security. this is a very different situation. in that case the airline was aware there were issues. >> absolutely yeah. but in this case by the plaintiff's own words, not a soul including the plaintiff had any idea he had any problem up until he had a problem. so the question of notice has to be almost a non-issue. there's no way jetblue could have known if nobody else in the universe knew about it. >> so $15 million, no chance. >> we could hope and dream. i mean it's a plaintiff that shoots for the moon and hope they get something. >> get something. all right. thank you very much danny cevallos. outfront next jeanne moos with the pope's pasta problem. a rather weighty matter for the vatican or at least for the wheels of the popemobile. bring us your aching... and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested and ready to enjoy the morning ahead.
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indulge in an amazing easter dinner doctors warn the pope of his paunch they were telling him to go easy on the pasta and apparently his favorite pizza in italy. that is a sin. they say cutting back on cashrbs helps the pope's back problems. here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: nobody likes being told to put down their fork so
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imagine how the pope felt when he was allegedly told -- >> lay off the pasta. >> reporter: lay off the pasta? who wants to be the one to tell the pope that? press agency reported doctors told pope francis to eat less pasta and get more exercise. vatican observers say francis has grown not just in stature but in size. it's hard to tell given what a pontiff wears or maybe the vatican swiss guard's vertical stripes that make the pope look bigger. got some non-medical advice from the spaghetti eating on the today show. >> listen holy father. you said you always listen to your cardinals, listen to me. get a new doctor. >> reporter: the italian press agency reports the pope to eat pasta two days per week. is it okay for him to eat pizza delivered directly to his popemobile? after francis said he missed
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stepping out unrecognized to get pizza. this is a pope who's been immortalized in cake in chocolate. who knew chocolate could look so slimming. the pope is known to suffer from lower back pain and sciatica worsened by weight. officially the vatican had no comment. unofficially we hear the pope's doctor deny talking to the press. still, size doesn't stop the pontiff from being a non-magnet. they are going to eat him alive, commented the cardinal. a weight loss clinic director once held a five pound model of fat to make a point about pasta. this pope could wear anything and people would still go crazy. at least there's plenty of him for a kid to hold on to. jeanne moos cnn, new york. ♪ oh happy day ♪ >> come on he's got to give up so many things.
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don't you think the pope is allowed to be plump and enjoy his pasta and wine? he does live in italy. thank you so much for joining us. set your dvr to record "outfront" to watch anytime. "ac360" with wolf blitzer begins right now. good evening. i'm wolf blitzer zittingsitting in for anderson. it's been a big day. we begin with the framework for the agreement to keep iran from turning nuclear program into a nuclear arsenal. with european russian and chinese negotiators called everything to tougher to more specific than expected to dangerous and delusional. president obama facing resistance from certain democrats, rejection from many republicans and total opposition from israel's prime minister defended the deal in no uncertain terms and laid out three alternatives. >> first, we can reach a robust and verifiable deal like