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he's got to give up so many things. don't you think the pope is allowed to be plump and enjoy his pasta and wine? he does live in italy. thank you so much for joining us. set your dvr to record "outfront" to watch anytime. "ac360" with wolf blitzer begins right now. good evening. i'm wolf blitzer zittingsitting in for anderson. it's been a big day. we begin with the framework for the agreement to keep iran from turning nuclear program into a nuclear arsenal. with european russian and chinese negotiators called everything to tougher to more specific than expected to dangerous and delusional. president obama facing resistance from certain democrats, rejection from many republicans and total opposition from israel's prime minister defended the deal in no uncertain terms and laid out three alternatives. >> first, we can reach a robust and verifiable deal like this
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one and peacefully prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. second option is we can bomb iran's nuclear facilities thereby starting another war in the middle east. third, we could pull out of negotiations try to get other countries to go along and continue sanctions currently in place or hope for the best. >> what a tough political sell this could be but jim sciutto is joining us with details on what negotiates agreed to. jim, break this deal down for our viewers. what exactly does it look? >> you take all the elements of iran's nuclear program that has caused consternation here in capital for years. it doesn't dismantle them or destroy them but modifies puts them under restrictions. the fordo facility reinforced designed to withstand american or israeli bombs. doesn't shut it down. keeps centrifuges there but said
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they can't spin uranium. that's the new normal there. takes, for instance iran's arsenal of 19,000 centrifuges. doesn't get rid of all of them. leaves 5,000 of them. a 75% reduction and another path to a bomb potentially was the iraq heavy water facility. again, doesn't tear it down. modifies it changes its reactor so it can't produce material for a bomb. all these things to create that one yearlong breakout period that the obama administration said is the goal. in exchange west promises to lift economic sanctions built up against iran for years. remarkable international coalition but retains the right to put them back on if iran at any point in this agreement or after this agreement fails to come ply. comply. that's the trade-off. the skeptics will say you haven't torn down enough of the program and the supporters say, this is better than topgs which
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is going forward when iran might program even more. >> jim, the president spoke out today. said he thinks this is quote, a good deal. what's the reaction so far from iran? i understand that they're pretty happy over there. >> no question. celebrations. you're seeing pictures in the street of people driving around honking horns and waving flags. a new twitter phenomenon of people taking quote unquote selfies with president obama because his speech in the rose garden was broadcast live on iranian state television. that's a first. it's truly remarkable and have to understand for the people of iran, i've been there more than ten times, they've been looking forward to this moment for decades. it's not just a nuclear agreement. for them it's about taking iran out of prison this pariah status. today in iran pay two or three times what you would normally pay for a car. they have to be smuggled in. it's hard to go to the universities you just want to go to.
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hard to get chemotherapy drugs you want. of course it's hard for the government to get the oil revenue it wants as well. for the iranian people this is a chance for them to be a normal country. that's what they've been looking forward to for some time. really rackemarkable amount of celebration because for them this is a life changing moment. >> it is if the sanctions are eased and then eventually lifted billions of dollars will flow into that iranian economy for those iranian people. jim sciutto, thanks very much. reaction from the gamut. cautious optimism from the senate minority leader harry reid and house speaker john boehner calling it an alarming departure from original goals. any agreement would make the world a more dangerous place. joining us with political fallout from all sides, jim acosta from the white house. i know congress is in recess but a lot of reaction. what's the latest?
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>> reporter: the white house is concerned about this wolf. at this point, the senior administration officials say they don't want congress to move forward with any kind of new sanctions legislation on iran while this diplomatic process continues. keep in mind today was just a tentative agreechltmentagreement. there's still another one to be reached by june 30th. at this point, you can say the democrats are standing by and waiting for more details but republicans are laying into this deal wolf. senator marco rubio, potentially running for president, likely to run for president in 2016. he has a comment. we'll put it up on screen. message to iran should be clear until the regime chooses a different path. isolates iran and today's announcement puts us in the opposite direction and i fear we'll have devastating consequences for nuclear non-proliferation and the security of our allies and partners and for the u.s. interests in the region. jeb bush put out a tweet earlier this evening and said i cannot
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stand behind the reported details of this flawed iran agreement but the one person we're waiting to hear on is hillary clinton. she put out a statement earlier this evening saying that diplomacy should be given a chance. people looking to see whether or not she would distance herself from the president and said she did not. >> she said it's important to comprehensive agreement to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon and strengthen the security of united states israel and the region. speaking of israel the president made a phone call to benjamin netanyahu to discuss this unprecedented deal. tell us about that conversation. what do we know? >> reporter: that's right. that's one of the many phone calls the president is making or will make. he also talked to the king of saudi arabia and talk with congressional leaders. prime minister netanyahu, we know this they don't have a good relationship. it has been strained in recent weeks and perhaps more so in the coming weeks. according to various phone calls, one from the white house, the president, of course told
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the israelis that their security will not be at stake with this iran deal but that is not the readout we got from the israeli government. the spokesman for prime minister netanyahu said told the president during this phone call the deal as it stands right now will threaten israel's survival. i mamg,imagine we'll hear from the prime minister in the coming days. >> the deal on this framework would threaten the survival of israel and not block the path to the bomb it would pave it. negative reaction coming in from israelis. jim acosta. thank you very much. more on what this all means. to put into perspective and dig deeper on the deal itself. chief international correspondent, christiane amanpour and david kay, the former chief weapons inspector in iraq. currently serves on the international security advisory board and former george w. bush senior director council, michael
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durand. christiane after looking at the specifics of the framework agreement, is it a good deal for the united states? what do you make of this? >> reporter: well the president himself said today this was a historic opportunity and if it's implemented, it is a very very good deal and of course it's not perfect. nothing is perfect. but it is the best that could be achieved at this time. and he said that if you look at all the specifics, the draconian inspections, the fact they'll only have a certain amount of enrichment and dismantled et cetera this is the most strictly governed nuclear accord of any nuclear program ever in history. so that i think, is pretty convincing from the president of the united states. just from the side of iran this is really being taken with great excitement there by the people. the people of iran who have desperately wanted this for the first time, i think ever the speech from the president of the united states is broadcast live
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on national iranian television and that's significant because president obama laid out this fact sheet which then the foreign minister, the negotiator tweeted, oh there's no need to lay out the fact sheets so soon because that has the details. iran made concessions. >> we saw them pictures in the streets celebrating. you think this is a bad deal. you think it actually might make a nuclear breakout for iran more likely is that your opinion? >> yes, it is but before i say it's a bad deal i say it's not really a deal yet. the president and john kerry are pretending there's more there than there actually is. they had to head off the senate and so they are presenting this is kind of a done deal when there's a lot of room yet for negotiation. christiane mentioned that jabba sareef was tweeting about the fact sheet. he tweeted the administration is
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claiming that the sanctions are going to be rommedlled back gradually and he said they'll be rolled back immediately. there's a huge difference on major issues. >> we'll see how quickly those sanctions are rolled back assuming they're implemented. you say the framework you've seen so far is good but the key issue is how the framework will actually be implemented. how challenging is that going to be? >> well there are two key issues. one is it's a framework. you have to negotiate a very complex arrangement. that's the first. and the second is how do you actually implement this and particularly how do you implement over 10 15 25 years? choose your number because they're scattered applying to different things in this. that's very difficult and in the history of arms control, almost unprecedented. >> israelis not happy with this deal david, as you well know. let me get your reaction christiane. israeli intelligence minister was quick to condemn it.
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i know there was a conversation with prime minister benjamin netanyahu but the israelis don't like this deal. >> reporter: they don't and we knew that. look they had been trying to make sure this deal doesn't happen for a long time. i mean the mantra from prime minister netanyahu has been no deal is better than a bad deal. so they have never liked it and they believed it just sort of kicks the ball down the road and of course the sunni arab partners of the united states on the same page as israel in this regard. they don't like it at all. prince turkey the former intelligence minister from saudi arabia told me that he thought it would kick off an arms race in the region. i do however think i can agree with what both gentlemen just said. we do know it has yet to be implemented and yet to be fully signed off, there are a lot of technical issues and details to be fully negotiated by the real
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deadline which is june 30th. and then we really don't know because it isn't clear exactly the parameters of when the sanctions will be lifted. iran wants them all lifted sort of immediately. if they implement it as jebel sarif said. the notion of phase, certainly the iranians don't talk about it as phase relief. >> you know, mike under the framework agreement, the u.s. sanctions involving the nuclear program, they eventually would be eased but the sanctions dealing with iran support for terrorism, human rights abuses they will remain in place. is that okay? >> well i don't think we should kid ourselves. once we start removing these sanctions up front, there's going to be a huge economic boon to iran and its status in the international community is going to be changed overnight. and that should worry us
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greatly. they're not going to have an economic boon or commercial partners a new status in the international system and they will be in a much strengthened position from which to break out. >> david, the inspections, you were u.n. weapons inspector. do you think they'll be allowed to go wherever they need to go? the iranians really open their military facilities any place there's a suspicion the iranians might be up to something? >> that's the easy part of figuring out whether you're allowed to go where you want to go. the hard part is understanding where you want to go. that depends on first of all the iranians have to make a complete accurate and full disclosure of what they had, their history is they've never done that before. secondly over the course of time and this is a dynamic economy. it's a dynamic scientific program. you're going to depend on intelligence. you're going to be flooded with exile and reports from the
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israelis and saudis others a place you should go you're going to have to set out what is really possible and where you should go. this is a monumental task for the iea and quite frankly, one they're not equipped to do unless u.s. and other powers are prepared to increase the resources beyond what they have now. >> david kay, thank you very much. christiane amanpour mike durand thanks to all of you. quick reminder set your dvr to watch "360" whenever you like. up next second black box and more troubling details about what the homicidal pilot was thinking prior to the crash and this is just incredible breaking news we're watching a sailor who everyone thought was lost at sea rescued. after more than two months in a broken sailboat all alone on the stormy atlantic ocean, his father joins us.
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♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ we said at the top any could be the lead including this one. a string of major new developments in the germanwings 9525 tragedy. one could shed a lot of light on precisely what first officer andreas lubitz did to bring the plane down. others reveal how premed dated his actions were how mentally
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ill he may have been and how far he went to treat it or conceal it. all that and more tonight from pamela brown in germany. >> reporter: tonight, new evidence reveals andreas lubitz prepared to crash the plane in the alps allegedly searching the internet in the days leading up to the crash for ways to commit suicide and the security of cockpit doors. today, investigators found a tad lid in lubitz's apartment including browsing history from the week right before the crash. a european official tells cnn the new evidence shows lubitz's actions were premeditated. a french prosecutor said lubitz voluntarily brought the plane down. >> to prevent the overspeed alarm, he would have acted twice, not only the loss of altitude but adjusting. he was alive and conscious up until the moment of the impact we are almost certain. >> reporter: investigators finally recovered the charred
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flight data recorder found buried in the ground. it will include information whether the plane was on auto pilot or had the l kros all the way down. >> reporter: zbl the speed of the plane, the altitude four of the engine. these elements are vital in order to ascertain the truth. >> reporter: a law enforcement source said after a severe depressive episode in 2009 lubitz relapsed in late 2014 just before the crash, lubitz was shopping around for doctors, seeing at least five including a sleep specialist an eye doctor and neuropsychologist. lubitz apparently told some doctors he was fearful of losing pilot license because of medical issues and that remains a leading motive for the deadly crash. >> joining us from dusseldorf pamela we know he made these disturbing internet searches in the week before the crash. do prosecutors know anything else about his behavior in the final days?
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>> reporter: well investigators know that he was still flying. he was still a pilot in that window wolf and he was searching the internet for methods on how to commit suicide and cockpit doors and security measures. in fact investigators interviewed a pilot he flew with the day before the plane crash and that pilot told investigators he was acting very normal. they had just regular conversation that there was nothing out of the ordinary. sources i've been speaking with believe that lubitz sees the opportunity when the crash happened as soon as the captain left the cockpit in order to fly that plane into the mountain. well if you have to wonder what that pilot who he flew with the day before is thinking. >> pamela brown, thanks very much. from doctor shopping to the drugs he was taking all of this raising lots of questions. chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, the co-pilot was prescribed what has been called
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unquote heavy depression medicine that had been very heavy on the body. what types of effect would these kinds of medicines have? >> well when you talk about medications that are treating depression sometimes they can make someone sleepy. they can be sedating but also have nearly the opposite effect wolf. somebody who's very depressed, they are given a powerful antidepressant. sometimes, if they are bipolar, for example, it can sort of make them become more the sort of manic side of things. there are so many details about this whole story that are still unclear and frankly, the pieces coming in still don't make sense in aggregate. you feel there's pieces missing but a heavy antidepressant would have one of those effects, wolf. >> possibly could have been under the influence of this medication when he actually crashed the plane? >> it's possible but again, you know when you hear some of the interactions it doesn't sound like anyone noticed anything
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abnormal. the day before it sounds like someone who had felonylown with him did not notice anything abnormal. less likely if someone was quite sedated, may be noticeable but maybe more likely to be noticed if he had become manic in some way, had flight of ideas and doing things that were irrational. those sorts of things might be more noticeable than to people on the staff. >> in the days leading up to the crash we're now told he actually searched on his computer for both suicide methods and security measures related to cockpit. you say these searches point to vastly different things explain. >> well look. i think this is the inflection point. i think this is where people have been sort of tiptoeing around or not sure what to make of it. it's again, one of the situations you don't feel you have enough information. if you were doing searches online and looking at suicide, the idea of flying a plane full of people into a mountain would not be one of the things that
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would come up in one of those searches. there are things that come up when you search for suicide. if you wanted to just commit suicide, you could have done it on a practice flight. he could have done it in other ways if he was intent on doing it with an airplane. so the idea that at some point this flipped from being a question of suicide to a question of i'm also going to kill many other people with me when i commit suicide is sort of that inflection point that just doesn't make much sense. >> yeah obviously. we know the pilot was essentially doctor-shopping in the day before the crash. we found the doctors were not negligent in handling this case but regarding these not fit to work notes, what is the doctor's duty in a case like this? >> i've had a lot of conversations with colleagues about this and even looked through some of our own training again to get a better idea. typically what happens if i were in this situation, i'm not a psychiatrist but if i were in this situation, worried about
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someone hurting themselves or others first, i'd call a psychiatrist and question whether a person should be committed to the hospital right away for their own safety but also before i would let the person's employer or other people know i would tell that person. i would go there, sometimes in the hospitals, you do that with other staff or security present. you say to the patient, i'm worried enough. i've made this decision that i'm worried enough to tell your employer of these concerns and relay information to them. we should point out, the doctors in europe were not found to have been negligent in any way. no compulsory action they must do that. it's sort of an ad hoc basis. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thanks as usual. >> you got it wolf thank. we'll continue the conversation after the break. joined by a leading neuropsychologist who designed a screening test for pilots would-be pilots and a top crash detective and leading aviation attorney. later, a new terror tragedy. this time a college campus.
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today's revelations about what flight 9525's co-pilot had on his tablet about suicide, the cockpit doors and the medical news of the black box all add up to a lot to talk about. let's get right to it. joining us, neuropsychologist developed a cognitive test in the united states to be used by the faa, in fact airlines around the world. joining us the aviation attorney and pilot justin green and cnn safety analyst david soucie former faa crash investigator author of "malaysia airlines flight 370, why it disappeared and why it's a matter of time before this happens again." gary the internet searches show that this co-pilot had something that was going on. he thought about it and it looked like a premeditated act but took advantage of the opportunity, the captain, for example, to leave the cockpit on a fairly short flight for him to carry it out. what do you make of all of this?
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>> obviously, we see a lot of in-tact brain function right? somebody who's organized, determined focused, deliberate. serious emotional problems and moral problems but somebody who didn't create suspicion in the captain flying with him. that's why the captain would have left the cockpit. >> had to go to the bathroom came back and the door was locked. the cockpit door. the searchers finally have the second black box, the cockpit voice recorder but we actually know what happened right? the co-pilot brought down that plane. what's the flight data recorder going to tell us? >> well i'm hopeful this flight data recorder is recording the movement of the door lock it would open the recording of the door but the door lock what that would tell us is whether the pilot attempted to get into the key pad, if he did not close that locked door there should have been a buzzer that went off
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but this would tell us with definition he held it down and intentionally kept him out of the cockpit to confirm what our suspicions are now. >> justin, you think there's something important to search for at the crash site possibly even more important than that flight data recorder. tell us what it is. >> i think the pilot's body has not been a report that the pilot's body has been found and as the doctor just mentioned, he was getting some treatment. so it's going to be interesting to see whether he had drugs in his system and if so whether that may have played a factor. >> gary the co-pilot had, in fact been prescribed some very heavy drugs before the crash but investigators don't think he was taking them. he had seen several doctors, some of them knew he was a pilot. by all accounts the doctors acted as though they were presumably as they were expected to act and required but it still seems like there were so many missed opportunities to stop this. do you agree with that? >> well i mean, i think if your
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suspicion level gets to a point where you have an opportunity to protect others then in fact that's where confidentiality has to end. okay? so we actually have a responsibility if we feel that we can protect others or warn other ifs a threat has been made. >> dave the more we learn about what the co-pilot's doctors knew it makes new reporting or screening requirements seem that much more necessary. do you think we're going to see changes to medical screening, particularly the mental health portion because of this? >> i think that it will first go more towards environmental screening. for example, being able to report again, whether you've had a break-up or a divorce or a move. but again, that still relies a lot on the pilot's self-reporting. so that has to be examined really closely. i don't know what the answer is. i don't think anybody does. but we certainly all agree there has to be something done in the industry right now. >> i think you're right. justin part of the
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investigation will be interviewing everyone who interacted with the law enforcement source. saying one person reported he seemed normal on the flight the day before the crash. what will they be asking what could they find out by talking, lets say, to more of his colleagues? >> you just said something about missed opportunities and i think the first missed opportunity was before he was hired, and i think there's going to have to be a much more robust prescreening of pilots coming into the industry. pilots who don't have a history that can be relied on but also in the coming days they'll be interviewing many many people. obviously, he saw doctors. he knew he had a problem. his doctors knew he had a problem. from the stories, his girlfriend knew he had a problem. we'll see whether his fellow employees, the pilots and the air crew he dealt with on a daily basis saw anything that caused concern. >> i would say we know from what we've heard about his flight
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training he interrupted flight training for treatment of depression and that was in the u.s. he would have had a u.s. medical certificate, and he didn't report in which he would have been required to do by law that he had been treated for this depression in the u.s. if that would have come under review his records of his treatment, his medications and all would have been known. so if he concealed that he was already committing a major criminal act by failing to report after this treatment. >> do you believe, justin the most important thing now is increased screening for new pilots point in timesilots with no track record? >> i'm not a doctor but as a lawyer the company will come nin and say we relied on doctors and the doctors are relying on self-reporting and in this case the doctors are relying on the self-reporting of someone who, in hindsight, is somebody with very serious problems and an evil intent and that's a
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problem. >> it certainly is. david, co-pilots said they prevented from alarms going off. why would he do nah? >> . >> he was trying to prevent an emergency signal or warning, because it goes back to the carrier which if you see the speed of the aircraft the velocity not exceed the aircraft it will send a signal out and warn them that there's something going on on the aircraft. it apparently to me it appears as though he was trying to make this look like it was just a normal descent or some kind of thing he was fighting in the aircraft. he didn't want people to know he had committed suicide is what i derived from that, he had done that. >> good point. david soucie justin greene gary cay. thank you. ahead, the brazen terror attack of the university in kenia. we learn disturbing new details about how the massacre played out, plus mass terror plot in the united states. two women arrested in new york
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in connection with a brazen attack at a university. 147 people were killed. dozens were wounded. the islamist militant group al-shabaab claimed responsibility. attacked the westgate shopping mall in nye ruenin nairubi two years ago. robin joining us with the latest. can you walk us through what happened? >> reporter: well wolf, at about 5:30 this morning, students some of whom walking to morning prayers, others who were asleep woken up by gunshots and explosions we understand. what was immediately reported as a number of gunmen but we know understand from kenya's to be only four gunmen essentially took control of the entire
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university university before essentially going dormitory to dormitory. holing themselves at 11 a.m. with a number of students. estimated to be anywhere between 200 to 500 students in that females dormitory. from then on the siege lasted with the gunshot, explosions going off. a large crowd gathering outside. and that's when the witness testimonies started to tell us exactly what happened in those hours. how they said christians were targeted muslims were allowed to leave by the gunmen and that christians were shot. a siege inside the female dormitory lasted a few hours until eventually special unit of the kenyan police forced their way in and not sure how many others were killed. it all ended around 10 this
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evening. >> robyn, in response the kenyan president said kenya is suffering from a police shortage. what is the country doing to alleviate that problem? >> reporter: well 10,000 police recruits we assume are hitting the streets sooner than expected. however, the problem is that easter weekend. what is quite tragic wolf is that it's supposed to be tonight was when most of those students who died in this attack who were supposed to be going on their easter break, which would have lasted until monday. essentially, it's very very sad and then the kenyan extended their condolences as has the white house. >> robyn kriel, thank you very much for that report. here self-described islam accused of plotting to attack the united states. women, former roommates, focus of a lengthy undercover federal
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investigation. one allegedly called osama bin laden a hero and had a photo of him on her cell phone. the other recording to the criminal complaint made contact with terrorists overseas. cnn's jason carroll has more now on the alleged terror plot. >> reporter: they're u.s. citizens who live in queens new york. the two women identified in a federal criminal complaint as 28-year-old noel valencas and acie. home grown terrorists planning to detonate a bomb in the united states. in the 29 page complaint, the u.s. attorney details how the women allegedly express their support for, quote, violent jihad. prosecutors say the women researched and acquired materials needed to make various types of bombs including fertilizer, a pressure-cooker device and multiple pro pain tanks which siddique kept in her apartment building.
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>> my client enters a plea of not guilty even with an indictment and she and i will address everything in the courtroom where it belongs. >> reporter: authorities say the suspects were not after civilians, but instead, the police and military. even taking inspiration from the funeral of slain police officer rafael ramos leavebelieving it would be an easy target. considered osama bin laden her mentor and praised 9/11 attacks on the world trade center and obsessed with pressure cookers, since the marathon attack according to an undercover officer. sidi sidique had repeated contact with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula and a poem in a jihadi magazine. no excuse to sit back and wait for the skies, rain martyrdom and taste the truth through fists and slit throats.
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and the pair on investigators since may 13 and according to law enforcement official close to the case the women came to the attention of investigators through another terrorism investigation. people in valensa's neighborhood say she's married with a young daughter and sometimes argued with her husband, but there was nothing to indicate she had jihadist leanings. >> she's a very friendly woman and never expect that at all. very lovely people. i saw the fbi this morning but didn't know what that is regards to. but that is so crazy. >> jason is outside of the courtroom but they were talking and giving their lives to alla was martyrdom their end goal? >> reporter: not necessarily. one complaint in june of 2014 valencas had a conversation where they talked about possibly being killed by police.
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said we will be martyrs automatically but in the complaint, clear the two suspects were trying to build a bomb they could detonate from afar and not be suicide bombers. so i do not believe that martyrdom was their ultimate goal. their ultimate goal was to create history. wolf? >> what a story, jason carroll, thank you very much. up next another incredible story. a sailor missing for 66 days found at sea and rescued. grateful father joins us when "360" continues.
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a sailor reported missing by family 66 days ago found at sea. coast guard saying louis jordan on disabled sailboat east of cape hatteras north carolina and took them on board. a coast guard medevaced to the hospital in virginia where he is tonight. the coast guard said jordan said he lived off raw fish and rain water for more than two months. after his rescue this afternoon, got a chance to talk to his father on the phone. listen to this. >> hey. louis. i'm so glad you're alive. we prayed and prayed and we hoped that you were still alive. so that's all that matters. that's the only thing that matters. your mother's huh, what? >> i was afraid you guys were
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crying, sad, that i was dead. i wasn't dead. i wanted you guys -- >> we were. i thought i lost you. >> i spoke with the grateful dad. frank jordan just a few moments ago. mr. jordan this is an incredible news. i can't imagine what you're going through. tell us about what you know from everything that's unfolded in the past few hour and how your son is doing. >> we've got the coast guard call from the miami station and we were told that a ship picked up louis and that they would take him to norfolk to the hospital and he was okay walking around. and clear headed. that he had been adrift at sea. we knew he had been out for a long time but didn't know he was at drift because a post but apparently the boat went down. >> he survived. we heard a bit of what you said to your son, louis, earlier today by the coast guard.
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what more did he tell you, what was the conversation like? >> well it sounded like louis. to me that was kind of surprising. i don't know why i expected him to sound like anything else but just the same old louis and he says that he has fasted before so it wasn't the first time he went without food. which i thought that was interesting. >> 66 days at sea, about 200 miles off the coast of north carolina. had you held on to hope he would be found because it's our understanding the coast guard effectively had stopped searching back in february is that correct? >> yeah. and, but i knew he had a good seaworthy boat. 35 foot sailboat. and well designed. i felt the boat was going to keep him alive, so i had all sorts of worries because he's
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not an experienced sailor but he basically wanted to go out and catch some fish. that's why he left the marina. >> what more do you know about when he left? the weather, anything that could have contributed to his disappearance? >> i don't really know. i can't answer that question. i know i called him at one point a few days after he left land and i spoke with him, that was the last time i ever talked to him and he was a few miles offshore. and as far as how he got off track, i don't know. i can't answer that. i'm going to have to get the details from him. >> certainly will. also mentioned your son is not necessarily a very experienced sailor but obviously, he would have to be extremely resourceful or strong to survive for this long right? >> oh yes. very strong. he's got very strong constitution and not only
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physically but spiritually. and he told me on the phone that he was praying the whole time so i believe that sustained him a great deal. >> louis, your son, the coast guard, the doctors say he's okay. is that right? >> yes. and he sounded fine when i talked to him. he said he had a hurt shoulder. >> if that's it he's in great shape. >> yeah. yeah. >> mr. jordan, thank you so much for your time. we wish you and your family only the best. >> thank you, wolf. up next fixing that hotly debated religious freedom law in indiana. the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. after all, healthier doesn't happen all by itself.
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a lot more happening tonight. amara walker has a "360" bulletin. amara? >> lawmakers in indiana and arkansas today approved changes to their religious freedom laws that sparked widespread criticism and boycott. the amendments aim to address concerns that the law discriminate against gay people. did governor of those states revised the legislation. cnn will dig deeper on the controversy coming up in a few minutes at 9:00 eastern when chris cuomo hosts special report religious rights showdown. robert menendez pleaded not guilty today in federal court charged with accepting lavish gifts as many as $1 million in
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exchange for political favors and christian, robert shuler has died. hosted the hour of power telecast for decades and founded the crystal cathedral megachurch in california. he was 88. wolf? >> thank you. cnn special report america's religious rights showdown starts right now. we have special coverage of america's religious rights showdown. i'm chris cuomo in new york. what a difference a week makes. two laws in two states in a totally different place a week ago. promised not to discriminate did just that. a transsen dent backlash
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