this is "gps." welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. ♪ iran comes in from the cove. or does it? inside the deal on the persian nation's nuclear program. i will talk to benjamin rhodes deputy national security advisers about the deal and the next steps with iran and the u.s. congress.

also an exclusive interview with one of america's greatest statesmen, former secretary of state james baker on the turmoil in the middle east. the end of a two-state solution. the new cold war with russia and the 2016 gop field. then why was the supreme court justice pleading his case in front of congress? what was he talking about? something he thinks is deeply flawed about america and i agree. i'll explain. finally, something a little lighter and it might make you a little lighter, too. the doctor on what you and the rest of the world should be doing to live long and prosper. but first, here is my take. when making up their minds about the nuclear deal with iran people are probably focussed on

its details. but to figure out whether an agreement that limits and inspects iran's nuclear program is acceptable one has to consider in detail the alternative. and there are only two. first, a return to sanctions. let's say that the u.s. congress rejects the final deal that is reached in june what then? the current sanctions regime against iran is almost unprecedented in that all the world's major powers and iran's neighbors support it. usually, sanctions wear thin over time. if other countries believe that iran made a reasonable offer that the united states turned down they're unlikely to continue to support a tight sanctions regime. remember countries like china and india are eager to trade with iran and buy its oil, which sells at a discount. if however, the sanctions can't be maintained iran will be in trouble. oil prices have halved and iran is bleeding resources in syria

and iraq. but would continued sanctions halt iran's nuclear program? that's highly unlikely. iran has expanded the nuclear program under sanctions for the last two decades. in 2003 iran had under 200 centrifuge centrifuges, today it has 19,000. all built under sanctions. the restrictions are now tighter, if they last but iran's nuclear establishment is also much larger today. that raises option two, a military attack. when people speak of strike on iran like israel in 1981 and a syrian facility in 2007 it's worthing worth keeping mind. iran has a vast nuclear industry comprising many installations spread across the country. some close to population centers, others in mountainous

terrain. the united states would effectively have to go to war with iran. destroying its air defenses then attacking its facilities and dozens perhaps hundreds. the bombers would be equipped with highly explosive weapons demolishing buildings, reactors laboratories but also producing considerable collaborative damage. what would be the effect of such an attack? when any country is bombed by foreigners its people tend to rally around the regime. the slavmic re icic republic would likely gain domestic support and respond in various ways. these attacks might be directed at the u.s. troops or allies. and an attack would mean the splintering of the international coalition against iran. russia china, and many other countries would condemn it. iran would be seen as the victim of an unprovoked invasion. the sanctions would crumble. its nuclear program would be

devastated but iran would begin to rebuild it. even under the current sanctions iran makes tens of billion dollars of oil revenues. more than enough to rebuild the facilities. finally, once it had been attacked tehran would invoke the need for a deterrent against future attacks and invasions and it would work directly on a nuclear weapon. in his op-ed advocating war with iran former u.n. ambassador argues that military attacks should be combined with vigorous american support for iran's opposition aimed at regime change in tehran. but bombing and then threatening the islamic reup.public existence would produce a different effect. for more go to cnn.com/fareed.

let's get started. so let's dig into the deal. the chances of reaching a final one in june and homes of passing the republican held congress. benjamin rhodes is assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for strategic communications. >> ben, thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> the president had said in 2012 that he wouldn't accept a deal that didn't end iran's nuclear program. yet, what you have is a program that will have thousands of centerrifuges that does not ship its enriched uranium as initially imagined or the facility meant to be entirely destroyed hasn't been destroyed. these are all concessions you have to make. >> no look fareed we've

always said that iran would be able to access peaceful nuclear energy. the question is can we design a program with the iranians and the p5+1. that's what the program does. if you look at the iraq facility -- they're not enriching uranium. the only place where they will be enriching uranium they're reducing the number of centrifuges operating. that extends to a timeline because they'll be shipping their stockpile out of the country. that is in two to three months. to at least a year for ten years. the additional limitations continues. it meets our needs. because there's a robust inspections regime to verify they're meeting commitments. >> when i had prime minister netanyahu on the program, i asked him at the time it was months ago. i said my sense, my reporting is that the deal is somewhere in the range of 5,000 centrifuges. is that acceptable for you. he said that's too high.

why is he wrong? >> because there's no deal. that's could be reached that involves iran just dismantling the entire nuclear infrastructure. obviously, that's the perfect solution but the fact is iran was never going to agree to a deal which they got rid of the entire infrastructure. no other country in the negotiation would have supported us taking the position they would have zero centrifuges. and the fact of the matter is they know the nuclear fuel cycle. they have the knowledge. even without centrifuges operating. there's a break out time line. they can reinitiate the program. can they sufficiently limit the numbers and types of centrifuges and the stockpile to put them further away from a weapon and then have inspections such if they tried to break out and pursue the weapons capability, we would see it almost immediately and take action. >> let's talk about the inspection regime. the document said the inspectors will have to verify that iran takes key nuclear related steps and the sanctions will be lifted. will the inspectors be allowed

to go into facilities any time anywhere without any notice? >> you have the declared facilities and we'll have daily access to the facilities. those enrichment facilities. they'll be a mix of inspections and also other means of keeping an eye on what is taking place there. across the nuclear supply chain there are iranian mines and mills and centrifuge production and manufacturing and where the warehouse centrifuges. that will be under supervision. you don't need an enrichment facility but you need the raw materials. looking across the supply chain means if they want a covert path they have to conduct secret means of producing the materials and having a facility to operate them. what the deal has is the ability to seek access to a site we're concerned about. if there's something we see in iraq that concerns like it is

not for peaceful purposes we'll have the ability to go to the iea and investigate the site. >> what iran has done in the past, which is to build an entirely secret new facility would be impossible? >> there are two reasons that guard against that in this deal. one is when they built that facility they used materials from their uranium mines. they used centrifuges and we had inspections there. we didn't see the material being diverted to a secret site. being able to look over the nung already supply chain is a hence to have that type of facility. they would need a broader support mechanism in order to support the nuclear infrastructure at that facility. beyond that if we saw something construction that raised our concerns, we could go to the iea and get access to investigate the site. >> the prime minister is not convinced. what will you do to convince him? >> i think that we're not going to convince prime minister

netanyahu. frankly, he's disagreed with the approach since before the joint plan of action the first interim agreement reached with iran. but what will say that prime minister netanyahu with as we're saying to our gulf partners we're making a nuclear deal. it's the right thing to do and the best thing to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon for the longest period of time. at the same time we're not at all headsening our concern about iran's destabilizing the threat toward israel and other partners. we can have a dialogue about what else can we be doing to reassure you our commitment. we're going to be very very vigilant and confronting other iranian actions in the region that concern us. >> and for now the republicans by and large seem opposed. what are you going to do to try to get it through congress because otherwise there's no deal >>well first of all, we're going to lay out the details of

this. both the framework and then when we have a final deal in june. and i think on the merits we'll make the case it's a strong deal. and people have seen there are more specifics here and constraints and limitation here's. the duration is longer than people thought. there are limitations that go 15 years. and transparency measures that go a 25 years. there are permanent commitments. we'll make a case on the merits for the deal that will be backed up by not just our national security team but the leading scientists and nuclear experts in this country who can validate the fact. secondly we'll be making the case we're dealing with set of options. essentially, number one, a long-term verifiable deal to prevent them from getting a weapon. two, take military action which doesn't set the program back by as long as the deal and carries huge risks in the region. or three, sanction them more. but the fact is every time we imposed sanctions on iran they've advanced their program. that they do it from a position of two to three breakout months

that time will collapse. you'll be confronted with the decision about whether or not to take military action. in a world of alternatives that is the best alternative. >> ben rhodes pleasure to have you on. >> thanks fareed. next on "gps" former secretary of state and treasury and white house chief of staff james baker on iran syria, russia and the center of conflict washington, d.c. hey, girl. is it crazy that your soccer trophy is talking to you right now? it kinda is. it's as crazy as you not rolling over your old 401k. cue the horns... just harness the confidence it took you to win me and call td ameritrade's rollover consultants. they'll help with the hassle by guiding you through the whole process step by step. and they'll even call your old provider. it's easy. even she could do it. whatever, janet. for all the confidence you need td ameritrade. you got this.

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i would suggest to you that the five top jobs in the executive branchs are the secretary of state, defense and treasury, the white house chief of staff, and the national security adviser, after the president, of course. only one man in history held three of them. he did if in success james a. baker was secretary of state under president bush secretary of treasury under president reagan and chief of staff under both presidents. he's the onhonorary chair at baker institute. welcome back. >> thank you. >> i have to ask you about the iran deal. henry kissinger has said, you know, if you look at it agree owe strategically iran and the united states have many overlapping interests. in afghanistan we both don't like the taliban. we don't like isis. but then he says but it's, you know the problem it's a cause

not a country. it is an aid logically driven. from a strategic point of view do you think there is a great upside to a dialogue with iran? >> well, i think that there's perhaps an upside to it provided you can trust the iranians. and you cannot trust the entire time i was in public service, the entire 12 years i was there. so would there be an upside to a strategic reorientation of that? yes, but i'm not sure you can get there with the current leadership in iran. i think you have to be very very leery of that. further more that's going to alienate all of our allies in the region. not just but all moderate arab states that are fighting iran doing battle in yemen and elsewhere. so it's a very very difficult concept, in my view to think

that's where this is going to go. if we can get an agreement that is verifiable that is tight, that doesn't lift sanctions against no real assurance they're going to abandon their nuclear program that would be a good accomplishment. whether it was a agree yo strategic reorientation or not. i would say about not wanting the u.s. to get overly involved in syria. particularly with the use of any american forces. -- >> now we have to get it. i feel that way very much yes. i feel we have shed quite enough american blood in the sands of the middle east. we have allies there. if america would go the allies and say, look we'll supply the air and the intelligence we'll supply the logistics, you put together a force to put boots on

the ground that's the way we ought to destroy isis. for the first time, we are now seeing our arab allies come together and build a coalition to create a ground force. when i was secretary of state after the first gulf war, i went to the jcc countries and i said you know you ought to put together a joint ground force so if iran or someone else should begin to do what iraq has done here you would have time to hold them off until america can get there. they never did it. now it looks like because we're not picking up -- >> they like to free ride. >> yeah. they love to free ride off america, and it's time for us to stop sending young american men and women to die in the sands of the middle east. we can't be the policeman for the world. are we going to put out the fires of syria? we're going to put out the fires in yemen, we're going to put out the fires in i guess boko haram.

i mean go all over the world? we can't do that. we shouldn't do that. we shouldn't be asked to do that. >> you've negotiated with tough people. putin strikes me as right up there. >> yeah. >> there are two schools of thought about what to do. people who say you've heard them you need to be tough. the guy needs to understand he has to pay a price for what happened in crimea and with ukraine. if we don't stand up to him, you know, you'll have huge consequence consequences. there are others like henry kissinger who said you have to give him a way out. you have to provide putin with a way to get out of the. you can't push him to the wall. it will only feed russian nationalism. >> i don't think it's an either/or. notwithstanding what my friend henry has said on the subject. i think you can have a combination of both. i think he does understand strength and resolve and discipline. and power. so i think you can have some of that.

but also we do need to find a way -- we in our western european allies to bring russia back into the community of nations. in 1993 i wrote a piece in the aftermath of the cold war and the implosion of the soviet union, we should find a way to permit russia to join nato. it's a political alliance as well as a security alliance and treat them the way we treat not with a marshall plan or anything but the way we treated germany and japan after the aftermath of the world war ii. bring them in. that didn't happen. and i wrote another one in 2002 to the same effect. i think if that happened we might not be at this junction dhur today. we had 15 years of reasonably good relationship with russia

under both. the first five years of putin's running society there, he leaned toward the west and we did a lot of things cooperatively and we weren't in this position that we are today where you have russian bombers flying over norway or over the baltic's and are close to them and it's almost like we're back where we were for 40 years. i think if you had a combineation of strength resolve, discipline stop the is ashalomy slicing of ukraine and find way with our partners and go to the russians and say it's nonproductive for you and us. here is a way back into the international community. his political strength at home has been enhanced tremendously by the nationalist approach that he's taken. but this reminds you a lot of

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and we are back with james baker, former white house chief of staff, former secretary of state, former secretary of the treasury. when you were secretary of state, gave a speech. a rare case. you gave a tough speech to one of the most powerful lobbies in washington. the bank. the lobby that supports israel. you said very bluntly israel has to stop settlement activity. it has to reach out to the

palestinians. you got -- you got a lot of pushback on that. you're back at it. you went and gave a speech. >> here is my view on that fareed. i think the two-state solution is critical to israel's future. i don't -- i think it's future is going to be extraordinary difficult for israel if they can't find a way to get to a secure peace with the palestinians. because i think it's going to be very hard to maintain both her jewish character and her democratic character as long as she continues to stay in occupation. the demographics i think, will overwhelm it. >> one of the guys at the time while you were secretary of state criticized you for that speech was bb netanyahu. >> he didn't. that wasn't my problem with him at the time. my problem at the time he was a deputy foreign minister of

israel. he said american policy in the middle east is based on lies and distortion. and i said now wait a minute. we wouldn't take that from the deputy foreign minister we shouldn't take it from the foreign minister of vale for whom we do so much. and i banned him from the state department. >> you bet. that's right. >> do you think for going out and saying that. >> i think he's a political figure. he's a strong leader. i happen to have had a good personal relationship with him. i think he's been a strong prime minister for israel but i feel very strongly about this two-state solution. >> you were disappointed by what he said. >> i was disappointed when he went out and said there will never be a two state solution as long as i'm prime minister of israel. >> do you abide that? zbl>> i accepted him at his word

but you have to ask what are the chances now of a two state solution. they're very bleak in my understanding. i think that is a tragedy for israel. of course it's a strategy for the palestinians and for stability in that part of the world. now we've got so much instability there that it almost dwarves the arab -- the israeli/palestinian conflict. there's so much else going on that is so -- that creates such instability. isis the problems in yemen, the problems in syria, the problems in iraq the problems in libya. some of these things we've done the adventures we've embarked upon have not turned out very well for us. >> i have to ask you about politicings politics. when you look at the republican

primary, do you think the dynamic is in order get to the primary the candidates have to move so far to the right that they become unelectable in the general election? >> i don't buy the argument. i know the argument. that was the argument as to why mitt romney didn't win the general. i don't believe that. i think that it's a given that democrats have to move to the left to get their party's nomination. the republicans better move to the right to get their party's nomination. it doesn't mean that in the general election either one of those can't win the general. this administration has not accomplished a lot of things that i was hopeful of initially it might be able to accomplish and it has not accomplished a lot in the foreign policy realm.

i think there's a lot of issues out there that we republicans can capitalize on and, you know you're talking to a texas republican. there aren't any liberal texas republicans. we're all conservative, and i'm just conservative as any of the others particularly on economic issues. i was ronltdald reagan's treasury secretary and white house chief of staff for four years. you can't be in those jobs and be too liberal. >> when you look at the line up of republican contenders can you be objective about this or are you going to be working hard for jeb bush? >> well, i'm going to be working hard for jeb bush because i think he's clearly the cream of the crop of the republicans who are going to run for the nomination. i've known him since he was a young man. i know what kind of president he would be. he would be an extraordinarily good president. he's very knowledgeable.

he's very temperament tal. he's suited for the job. yes, i'm close to the family. >> what did barbara bush mean? >> you think i would answer a question about what did barbara bush mean? i spent years not answering questions like that. >> jim baker, pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. up next imagine a country where prison sentences average less than a year. prison cells look like college dormitories, and the system works. sounds crazy? global lessons on prisons coming up. asis most my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara®. it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ... stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase your risk of infections. some serious infections require hospitalization. before starting stelara®... ...your doctor should test for tuberculosis. stelara® may increase your risk of cancer. always tell your doctor if you have

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now for what in the world segment. supreme court justices don't often appear before congress but recently justices stephen briar and anthony kennedy spoke for a house subcommittee and denounced america's criminal justice system. >> california my home state,

had 187,000 people in jail. it costs over $30,000 a prisoner compared to the amount they gave to school children it was about $3500 a year. this idea of total incarceration just isn't working. >> justice kennedy is dead right. we're always looking for things where usa is number one, right? well this alas is the best or really the worst case. america imprisons the most people worldwide by far with over 2 million prisoners, according to the international center for prison studies. nearly one in four of the world's inmates are locked up in america. and the united states has only 120th of the world's population. the u.s. has about 700 prisoners per 100,000 people according to the center. multiple times more than other developed countries like france italy, and japan. even less developed countries

like russia brazil and mexico had many fewer prisoners per capita. it's one of the cases where america really could learn something from other countries. take a look at norway's prison system. featured recently in the new york times magazine. the longest possible sentence there is 21 years except for committing crimes against humanitarian. even anders breivik, the gunman who killed people in 2007 got 21 years. offenders are sentenced to around eight months on average. more important, the focus there is less on punishment and more on getting inmates back into society. quote, life inside prisons will resemble life outside as much as possible and offenders shall be placed in the lowest possible security regime said norway's correctional service. because a sentence should be aimed as much as possible at returning an inmate to the community.

case in point, norway's prison which the times said was so pleasant you could be forgiven for doubting whether it is a prison at all. inmates are able to walk outside routinely and correction officers in close contact with them often sharing coffee or a meal. the prison doesn't house only petty criminals. almost half are there for violent crimes like murder and rape but violence is rare it says and the system works. norway's overall incarceration rate is about ten times lower than the united states. with a low recriticism rate the number of released prisoners who go back to crime. denmark also has a healthy outlook on incarceration braced on the principle of normalzation. many inmates in denmark are incarcerated in open prisons where some leave their confines to work nearby on a regular basis. they earn wages and get sick pay. the incarceration rate in

denmark is also around ten times lower than the united states and the resit krichl rate is also low. in his testimony, justice kennedy highlighted the use of solitary confinement in america. >> solitary confinement literally drives men mad. >> today in europe's prisons they lock up some of the worst offenders in groups of three or four with apparently better results. justice kennedy said. in america, prison is meant to be all about punishment with little effort at redemption. thousands of petty offenders are lokd up and treated inhumanity when they're eventually released they lack the skills ability, or psychological capacity to integrate back into society. inevitably many of them end up back in prison. it is a dark unforgiving, and extremely expensive cycle. next on "gps." do you want to live to be 100 or even long ensure my next guest

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this week a president with a famous name. good luck jonathan conceded in the nigerian elections. in another election this one widely considered to be rigged a president with a less memorable name was re-elected by a sweeping majority in pakistan. you may remember the president of that country became a point of controversy during the last

presidential campaign when gop candidate herman cain if he was asked who could name him. >> knowing the head of the small insignificant states around the world, i don't think that is something that is critical to folks on national security. >> he tooks lots of flak for that answer but it brings me to my question, which i'm sure herman cain knows the answer to. do you? who is the president of uzbestian? this week's book of the week is my new book. called "indefensible liberal education." it's my effort to explain what will make you innovative and successful and perhaps more importantly, what will make you live a happy and fulfilled life. i tell you a bit of my own life story and i use history,

research interviews and common sense to make my case. if you like the show i think you'll like the book. please buy it gift it read it. remember i can track the amazon numbers. so i can know whether you did so in one hour. for the last look prime minister modi set about to clean up india, literally. he's using every means at his disposal. this week the indian government announced a team of army mountaineers would head to nepal to scale earth's highest mountain. the trip is in honor of the 50th anniversary of india's successful attempt at mount ever everest. decades later footprints aren't the only things humans have left on the mountain. there's now, as many noted, a mess of food containers

equipment, oxygen canisters, and human waste polluting the mountain. they will bring almost 9,000 pounds of garbage down from the mountain as india today pointed out. some estimates put the total amount of trash on everest at 50 tons. if that's the case after the trip there will be a mere ten more climbs to go. if the prime minister can succeed in cleaning up the mount everest, ending corruption on effort should be a breeze. the correct answer to the gps challenge question is d. he's been in power since 1989. >> when asked me who is the president -- i'm going say i don't know. do you know? >> if like herman cain you didn't know the answer. that's understandable. if you thought pakistan was insignificant or cain did, you

would be wrong. it's important for the united states with a location crucial for supplying u.s. troops in afghanistan. thank you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. good morning. happy easter and happy pass over. it's time for "reliable sources." there's so much to cover this morning including the sunday morning exclusive. for your information about rolling stone magazine ands what it is doing that columbia university is about to release a damning report about the article you see on screen. it is error-filled uva investigation. a story of a well known journalist who said he was wasn't nice enough to harry reid. on a lighter note we know who is replacing jon stewart. trevor