. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. iran comes in from the cold. or does it? inside the deal on the persian nation's nuclear program. i will talk to benjamin rhodes deputy national security advisor, about the deal and the next steps both with iran and the u.s. congress. ♪ also an exclusive interview with one of america's greatest

states men -- former secretary of state james baker on the turmoil in the middle east. the ends of a two-state solution.state james baker on the turmoil in the middle east. the ends of a two-state solution. the new cold war with russia. and the 2016 gop field. then -- >> it's not humane. >> -- why was this supreme court justice pleading his case in front of congress? and what was he talking about? something he thinks is deeply flawed about america and i agree and i will explain. finally, something a little lighter. and it might make you a little lighter, too. dr. dean ornish on what you and the rest of the world should be doing to live long and prosper. but first here's my take. when making up their minds about the nuclear deal with iran people are probably focused on its details. but to figure out whether an

agreement that limits and inspects iran's nuclear program is acceptable one has to consider in detail the alternatives to it and there are really only two. first, a return to sanctions. let's say that the u.s. congress rejects the final deal that is reached in june. what then? the current sanctions regime against iran is almost unprecedented in that all the world's major powers and iran's neighbors support it. usually, sanctions wear thin over time. if other countries believe that iran made a reasonable offer that the united states turned down they're unlikely to continue to support a tight sanctions regime. remember countries like china and india are eager to trade with iran and buy its oil which sells at a discount. if however, the sanctions can be maintained iran will be in trouble. oil prices have halved and iran is bleeding resources in syria and iraq. but would continued sanctions halt iran's nuclear program?

that's highly unlikely. iran has expanded its nuclear program under sanctions for the last two decades. in 2003 iran had under 200 centrifuges. today it has 19,000. all built under sanctions. the restrictions are now tighter, if they last but iran's nuclear establishment is also much larger today. that raises option two -- a military attack. when people speak of a strike on iran like israel's against an iraqi reactor in 1981 and a syrian facility in 2007 it is worth keeping in mind that those were single facilities. iran by contrast has a vast nuclear industry comprising many installations spread across the country, some close to population centers, others in mountainous terrain. it's not realistic to think of this as a single strike. the united states would effectively have to go to war

with iran destroying its air defenses then attacking its facilities and dozens perhaps hundreds of sorties. the bombers would be equipped with highly explosive weapons, demolishing buildings, reactors laboratories but also producing considerable collateral damage. what would be the effect of such an attack? well when any country is bombed by foreigners its people tend to rally around the regime. the islamic republic would likely gain domestic support. it would also respond in various ways through its allies in afghanistan, iraq lebanon and elsewhere. these attacks might be directed at u.s. troops or its allies. an attack would also mean the splintering of the international coalition against iran. russia china and many other countries would condemn it. iran would be seen as the victim of an unprovoked invasion. sanctions would crumble. its nuclear program would be devastated but iran would begin to rebuild it.

even under the current sanctions, iran makes tens of billions of dollars in oil revenues. more than enough to afford to rebuild its facilities. finally, once it had been attack tehran would invoke the need for a deterrent against future attacks and invasion and it would work directly and speedily not on a nuclear program, but a nuclear weapon. in his op-ed advocating war with iran former u.n. ambassador john bolton argues that military attacks should be combined with vigorous american support for iran's opposition aimed at regime change in tehran. but bombing and then threatening the islamic republic's existence would likely produce exactly the opposite effect -- a government strengthened at home now with a clear rationale to acquire a nuclear deterrent. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column this week. let's get started.

♪ so let's dig in to the deal the chances of reaching a fm one in final one in june and its hopes of passing the republican-held congress. benjamin rhodes is assistant to the president and the deputy national security advisor for strategic communications. >> ben, thanks for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> the president had said in 2012 that he wouldn't accept a deal that didn't end iran's nuclear program and yet, what you have is a program that will have thousands of centrifuges, that does not ship its enriched uranium away as had been initially imagined where one facility that was meant to be entirely destroyed has not been destroyed. are these all concessions you had to make? >> no. look fareed we've always said that iran would be able to access peaceful nuclear energy.

the question essentially is could we design a program with the iranians and the people that could meet our bottom lines. that's what this program does. their iraq facility is not producing weapons grade plutonium. if you look at their other facilities, the only places where they would be enriching uranium, they are dramatically reducing their centrifuges. they'll be shipping their stockpile out of the country. that goes from two to three months that breakout timeline to at least a year for ten years. there are additional limitations that continue. this meets or needs particularly because there is such a robust inspections regime to verify they are meeting their commitments. >> when i had prime minister netanyahu on this program i asked him at the time this was months ago, i said my sense, my reporting is that the deal is somewhere in the range of 5,000 centrifuges centrifuges. is that acceptable to you? he said that's way too high. why is he wrong? >> well he's wrong because there's no deal that could be

reached that involves iran just dismantling its entire nuclear infrastructure. obviously that's the preferable solution. but the fact is iran was never going to agree to a deal in which they got rid of their entire nuclear infrastructure. no other country in the negotiation would have supported us taking the position that they would have zero centrifuges. and also the fact of the matter is they know the nuclear fuel cycle. they already have this knowledge. even without centrifuges operating, there is still a breakout timeline because they are re-initiate their program. the question is can we significantly limit those number and types of sent rougecentrifuges and reduce the stockpile. if they break out and pursue to weapons capability we could see it almost immediately and be able to take action. >> the document says the inspectors will have to verify that iran takes key nuclear related steps and then the sanctions will be lifted. will the inspectors be allowed to go in to facilities any time

anywhere without any notice? >> so fareed you have the declared facilities. iraq fordo, natanz those enrichment facilities will be both a mix of inspections and also other means on keeping an eye on what's taking place there. across the nuclear supply clanhain there are uranium mines and mills, where they warehouse centrifuges, that will all be under supervision. the reason that's important is to have a covert pathway to a weapon you don't just need an enrichment facility you need raw materials and centrifuges. looking across that supply clan chain, if they have a covert path they need the opportunity. if there's something that we see in iran that concerns us it seems like it is not for peaceful purposes we'll have the ability to go to the iaea and investigate that site.

>> so the -- what iran has done in the past which is to build, as with fordo, an entirely secret new facility would be impossible? >> there are two reasons that guard against that in this deal. one is when they built that facility they used materials from the uranium mines. they used centrifuges that they were producing and we didn't have inspections there so we didn't see that material diverted to a vetsecret site. being able to look over the whole supply chain is a hedge against them being able to have that kind of facility. they'd need a much broader facility than that. beyond that if we saw something, construction that raised our concerns we could go to the iaea and get access to investigate that site. >> prime minister netanyahu is still not convinced. what will you do to try to convince him? >> i think that we're not going to convince prime minister netanyahu. frankly, he has disagreed with this approach since before the joint plan of action the first

interim agreement that was reached with iran. what we will say to prime minister netanyahu, as we're saying to our gulf partners too, is we're making a nuclear deal here. it is the right thing to do. it is the best way to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon for the longest period of time. at the same time we're not at all lessening our concern about iran's destabilizeing concerns in the region its support for terrorism. we can have a dialogue with them about what else can we be doing to re-assure you to our commitment to your security and make clear that while we may have a nuclear deal here we'll be very very vigilant and confronting other iranian actions in the region that concern us. >> for now the republicans, by and large, seem opposed. what are you going to do to try and get it through congress? because otherwise, there's no deal. >> well, first of all, we'll lay out the details of this. both the framework and then when we have a final deal in june. i think on the merits we'll make

the case that this is a very strong deal. i think people have seen there are more specifics and constraints here. limitations. the duration is longer than people thought. limitations go 15 years. transparency measures go 25 years. there are elements that are permanent, permanent commitments from the iranians. we'll make our case on the merits for the deal. that will be backed up by not just our national security team but the leading scientists and nuclear experts in this country who can validate the fact that this adds up this prevents iran getting a nuclear weapon. but secondly we'll be making the case we are dealing with a set of options as the president said. essentially, one, we can have a long-term verifiable deal like this to prevent them getting a weapon. two, we can take military action which doesn't set the program back by as long as this deal and carries huge risks in the region. three, you can sanction them more prp the fact is every time we've inposedmposed sanctions on iran they've increased their program. we'll be confronted with that

decision about whether or not to take military action. in a world of alternatives there is the best alternative. congress killing this deal with both collapse the international unity we need for the sanctions regime and potentially leave us with that greater risk of war. >> ben rhodes pleasure to have you on. >> thanks fareed. next on "gps," former secretary of state, and treasury and white house chief of staff, james baker on iran syria, russia and that other center of conflict -- washington, d.c.

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executive branch in washington after the presidency of course are secretaries of state, defense and treasury the white house chief of staff and the white house national security advisor. only one man in history has held three of them and he did it in succession. james a. baker was secretary of state under the first president bush secretary of treasury under president reagan and chief of staff under both presidents under president bush very briefly. he is now the honorary chair of the baker institute at rice university. welcome back to the show. >> thank you, fareed. >> so first i've got to ask you about the iran deal. henry kissinger has said that you know if you look at a geostrategically iran and the united states have many overlapping interests. in afghanistan, we both don't like the taliban. we bot don't likeh don't like isis. it is an yoodideologically driven

power. do you think there is a great up side to a dialogue with iran? >> well i think there is perhaps an up side to it provided that you can trust the iranians. and you could not trust them the entire time that i was in public service. the entire 12 years i was there. so would there be an up side to a strategic -- a re-orientation of that? yes. but i'm not sure you can get there with the current leadership in iran. i think you have to be very very leery of that. furthermore, that's going to alienate all of our allies in the region. not just israel but all of the moderate arab states that are now fighting iran doing battle in yemen and elsewhere. so it's a very very difficult concept in my view to think that that's with are this is going to go. if we can get an agreement that is verifiable that is tight,

that doesn't lift sanctions against no real assurance that they're going to abandon their nuclear program, that would be a very good -- that would be a very good accomplishment. whether there was a geostrategic reorientation or not. >> you have been pretty disciplined, i would say, about not want being the u.s. to get overly involved in syria, particularly with the use of any american forces. >> boots on the ground. >> boots on the ground. do you still feel that way with the rise of isis? you know a lot of people are saying no no no now we really have to get in. >> i still feel that way very much yes. i think that we've shed quite enough american blood in the sands of the middle east. we have allies there. if america would go to these allies and say, look we'll supply the air, we'll supply the intelligence we'll supply the logistics, you put together a force to put boots on the ground that's the way we ought to destroy isis. and for the first time we are

now seeing our arab allies come together and build a coalition to create a ground force. when i was secretary of state after the first gulf war, i went to the jcc countries and i said you know you ought to put together a joint ground force so that if iran or someone else should begin to do what iraq has done here you'd have time to hold them off until america could get there. they never did it. now it looks like because we are not picking up their -- >> because they like to freeride off of our -- >> yeah they love to free-ride off america! and it is time for us to stop sending young american men and women to die in the sands of the middle east. we can't be the policemen for the world. are we going to go put out the fires in syria? we going to put out the fires in yemen? we going to put out the fires? -- against boko haram? i mean go all over the world? we can't do that. we shouldn't do that. we shouldn't be asked to do

that. >> you've negotiated with some very tough people. vladimir putin strikes me as right up there. there are two schools of thought about what to do. those people who say -- you've heard them -- you need to be very tough. this guy needs to understand that he has to pay a price for what has happened in crimea and ukraine. if we don't stand up to him, you will have huge consequences. there are others like henry kissinger who say, you've got to give him a way out. you've got to provide putin with many so kind of way to get out of this. you can't push him to the wall. this will only feed russian nationalism. >> i don't think it is an either/or, notwithstanding what my friend henry has said on the subject. i think you can have a combination of both. i think he does understand strength and resolve and discipline and power. so i think you can have some of that. but also we do need to find a way -- we and our western european allies -- to bring

russia back into the community of nations. in 1993 fareed i wrote an op-ed piece that said in the aftermath of the cold war, and the implosion of the soviet union, we really should find a way to permit russia to join nato. it's a political alliance as well as a security appliance, and treat them the way we treated -- not with a marshall plan or anything but the way woo he treated germany and japan in the aftermath of world war ii. give them a way into the community. bring them in to the tent. that didn't happen. and i like -- i wrote another one in 2002 i think, to the same effect. i think if that had happened, we moo it not be at this juncture today. because if you remember we had 15 years of very reasonably good relationships with russia under both yeltsin and putin. the first five years of putin's running the show there he leaned

toward the west. and we did a lot of things cooperatively and we weren't in this position that we are today where you have russian bombers flying over norway or over the baltics and are close to them and it's almost like we're back where we were for 40 years. so i think if you had a combination of strength resolve, discipline stop the salami slicing of ukraine, and find a way, with our partners to go to the russians and say, hey, look -- this is non-productive for you. it's non-productive for us. here's a way back in to the international community. his political strength at home of course has been enhanced tremendously by the nationalist approach that he's taken. but this reminds you a lot of what happened in the '30s. this is the way hitler went

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. we are back with james baker, former white house chief of staff. former secretary of state. former secretary of the treasury. when you were secretary of state, you gave a speech a very rare case you gave a pretty tough speech to one of the most powerful lobbies in washington -- apec the lobby that supports israel. and you said very bluntly israel has to stop settlement activity it has to reach out to the palestinians. you got -- you got a lot of pushback on that. but you are back at it. you went and gave a speech -- >> well here is my view on that fareed. i think that the two-state solution is critical to israel's

future. i don't -- i think the future is going to be extraordinarily difficult for israel if she can't find a way to get to a secure peace with the palestinians because i think that it's going to be very hard to maintain both her jewish character and her democratic character, as long as she continues to stay in occupation of those arab lands. the demographics i think will overwhelm her. >> one of the guys who at the time when you were secretary of state bitterly criticized you for that speech was one bibi netanyahu. what do you think -- >> no no -- well he didn't -- that wasn't my problem with bibi at the time. my problem with bibi at the time was he was a deputy foreign minister of israel and he went out in israel and he said american policy in the middle east is based on lies and distortions. and i said now wait a minute. we wouldn't take that from the deputy foreign minister of soviet union. we sure shouldn't take it from

the deputy foreign minister of israel for whom we do so much. >> and you banned him. right? >> i banned him from the state department. you about et. that's right. >> what do you think -- >> for going out and saying that. >> what do you think of him? >> well i think he is a very adroit political figure. he's a strong leader. i happen to have had a personal -- a good personal relationship with him. i think he's been a very strong prime minister for israel. but i feel very strongly about this two-state solution. >> and you were disappointed by what he said. >> i was disappointed when he went out and said there will never be a two-state solution as long as i'm prime minister of israel. >> and you don't -- >> he walked it back. >> do you buy that recantation? >> well yeah i accept him at his word. but you have to ask yourself what are the chances now of a two-state solution. they're very bleak, in my view in the short term they're very bleak. and i think that is a tragedy

for israel. of course it is a tragedy for the palestinians and for stability in that part of the world. now we've got so much instability there, it almost dwarfs the arab -- the israel/palestinian conflict. there's so much else going on that is so -- that creates such instability -- isis the problems in yemen, the problems in syria, the problems in iraq the problems in libya, some of these things we've done these adventures we've embarked upon have in the onot turned out very well for us. >> i have to ask you about politics. when you look at the republican primary, do you think that the dynamic is still at work that in order to get to the prime minister these candidates are going to have to move so far to the right that they will become unelectable in the general

election? >> i don't buy that argument. i know the argument. i know that that was the argument as to why mitt romney didn't win the general. i don't believe that. i think that it's a given that democrats have to move to the left to get their party's nomination. it is a given that republicans better move to the right to get their party's nomination. but that doesn't mean that in the general election either one of those can't win the general. this administration has not accomplished a lot of things that i was hopeful initially that it might be able to accomplish. and it has really not accomplished a lot in the foreign policy realm. so i think there is a lot of issues out there that we republicans can capitalize on. and you know if you're talking to a texas republican there

aren't any liberal texas republicans. we're all conservative. and i'm just conservative as any of the others particularly on economic issues. i was ronald reagan's treasury secretary. i was his white house chief of staff for four years. you can't be -- can't be in those jobs and be too liberal. >> when you look at the line-up of republican contenders can you be objective about this or are you going to be working hard for jeb bush? >> no -- well i'm going to be working hard for jeb bush because i think he is clearly the cream of the crop of the republicans who are going to run for the nomination. i've known him since he was a young man. i know what kind of president he would be. he would be an extraordinarily good president. he's very knowledgeable. he's very temperamental. he's suited for the job. but, yes, i'm close to the family. yes -- >> what did barbara bush mean when she said we've had enough bushes in the white house? >> you think i would ever answer

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just isn't working. >> justice kennedy is dead-right. we're always looking for things where usa is number one. right? well this alas is the best -- or really the worst case. america imprisons the most people worldwide, by far. with over 2 million prisoners, according to the international center for prison studies. nearly 1 in 4 of the world's inmates are locked up in america the united states has only 1/20 of the world's population. pt u.s. has about. 100 prisoners per 700 people. in even less developed countries like russia, brazil and mexico have many fewer prisoners per capita. this is one of those cases where america really could learn something from other countries. take a look at norway's prison system.

featured recently in the "new york times" magazine. the longest possible sentence there is 21 years. except for committing crimes against humanity. even the notorious gunman who killed 77 people in 2011 just got 21 years. in fact offenders are sentenced in norway to around eight months on average. more important, the focus there is less on punishment and more on getting inmates back in to society. "life inside prisons will resemble life outside as much as possible. and offenders shall be placed in the lowest possible security regime," says norway's correctional service. "because a sentence should be aimed as much as possible at returning an inmate to the community." case in point, norway's halden prison which the "times" said was so pleasant you could be forgiven for doubting whether it is a prison at all. inmates are able to walk outside routinely and corrections officers are in close contact

with them often sharing coffee or a meal. the prison doesn't house only petty criminals, the "times" says. almost half are there for violent crimes like murder and rape. but violence is rare it says. and the system works. norway's overall incarceration rate is about ten times lower than the united states. and with a low recidivism rate. that is the number of released prisoners who then go back to crime. denmark also has a healthy outlook on incarceration based on the principle of normalization. in fact many inmates in denmark are incarcerated in open prisons where some prisoners leave their confines to work nearby on a regular basis. they earn wages and even get sick pay. the incarceration rate in denmark is also around ten times lower than the united states and the recidivism rate there is also low. in his testimony, justice kennedy also highlighted the use of solitary confinement in

america. >> solitary confinement literally drives men mad. >> today in europe's prisons they lock up some of the worst defenders in groups of three or four with apparently better results, justice kennedy said. in america, prison is meant to be all about punishment with little effort at redemption. thousands of petty offenders are locked up and treated inhumanely. when they are eventually released they lack the skills ability or psychological capacity to integrate back into society. inevitably many of them end up back in prison. it is a dark unforgiving, and extremely expensive cycle. next on "gps," do you want to live to be 100, or even longer? well my next guest helped president clinton turn his health around. your life depends on your staying with us through these commercials. so come back. 7

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>> bill clinton's love of mcdonald's was ridiculed by "saturday night live." but his weight and his eating habits were no laughing matter. 11 years ago the former president had a bypass surgery, then an angioplasty. many chalked the troubles up to genetics but after an exchange with my next guest, the president decided to make a serious change. and today, partially thanks to the advice of dr. dean ornish president clinton is slim and trim and even eats a modified vegan diet. so what did ornish tell him? >> what i told him is that you're not a victim of your genes. our genes are our predisposition but our genes are not our fate. in a series of studies, now it's almost 40 years in randomized trials and demonstration projects we show when you make lifestyle changes, we tend to think of advances in medicine as something high-tech and expensive. but these very simple changes, whole-foods plants-based diet moderate exercise stress management techniques including yoga and meditation and perhaps

most important, how much love and support we get -- >> when -- you say it is eat well? >> eat well move move stress less and love more. we use these state of the art scientific measures to find out how effective these low-cost interventions can be. we've shown for the first time severe heart disease can begin to reverse in a series of studies. over time the arteries that feed the heart get less and less clogged instead of what usually happens which is more and more clogged. flood flow to the heart improved by 300%. later studies of these large cell changes that can reverse heart disease could slow stop and often reverse the progression in men with early stage prostate cancer. we think by extension for early stage breast cancer. we found when you change your lifestyle it changes over 500 genes turning on the genes that protect us, down regulating or turning off genes that cause all these chronic diseases. >> the hardest thing for people probably is -- you say it in a

way that makes it sound a little easier -- plant-based what you're basically saying is that people should essentially go vegan. animal protein is bad for you. >> but what matters most is you're overall ways of eating. if i tell somebody eat this and don't eat this they want to the the opposite. it's the first dietary intervention when god said don't eat the apple and they did anyway and that was god talking. so if you move in a healthier direction, you'll look better and there's a corps responding benefit. >> you say that meditation has powerful benefits? >> it does have powerful benefits we all know that chronic emotional ---by managing stress more effectively, so

often people think i have to choose between being in a stressful situation and being productive or sitting under a tree and watching my life go by. and that's not the point. it's not whatever works for you, then your fuse getters longer. >> you say obama care is a game changer because it actually -- >> because in the past in a fee for service environment, to the operations you do, the more stents you but in for example, the more operations you have the more -- >> eerks kmrks amount of dollars to take care of somebody you or the doctor or hospital get to keep what's left over. is so there's a perfect storm in

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this week a president with a famous name good luck jonathan conceded defeat in the nigerian elections. in another election this one widely considered to be rigged a president with a less memorable name was elected by a sweeping majority in uzbekistan. you may remember the leader of

that country became a point of controversy when gop candidate herrmann kaine was asked if he could name them. >> knowing who's the head of some of these small insignificant states around the world. >> it brings me to my question which i'm sure herrmann kaine snows the answer to. who is the president of uzbekistan. stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is pardon the self promotion, my new book it's called "in the defense of a liberal education" what will make you live a happy and fulfilled life. i i tell you a bit of my own life story and then i use

history, research interviews and common sense to make my case. if you like my show i think you'll like the book. i can track the amazon numbers so i will know whether you did in the last hour. the prime minister of india has set about the job of cleaning up the country. he's using every means at his disposal. this week the indian government announced that a team of army mountaineers will head to nepal to scale earth's highest mountain. the trip is the 50th anniversary of india's first successful trip up mt. everest. decades later, footprints aren't the only things humans have left on the mountain there is now as many have noted, a mess of food

containers oxygen canisters andor things littering the mountain. they i will bring 9,000 pounds of garbage off the mountain. some estimate the total amount of trash on everest at 50 tons. after this trip there will be a mere 10 more tries to go. if they can clean up mt. every everiest. the correct answer to the gps changes is d. islam karamar. >> i'm going to say i don't know. >> if you didn't know the name of the uzbek president, you --

it's strategy steejically important for the united states with a location that has been crucial for supplying u.s. troops in afghanistan. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week, i will see you next week. happening right now in the newsroom teenaged terror suspects a 14-year-old and 16-year-old arrested. police telling cnn they were preparing for an act of terrorism. and the story behind rolling stone magazine's horrifying report of a gang rape at the university of virginia. plus a family apparently poisoned by pesticides while on vacation in the u.s.