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stay with cnn throughout the evening for break news from north charleston. "ac360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. we begin with what authorities in north charleston, south carolina, say is murder. murder plain and simple. murder caught on video tape. murder committed, they say, by a police officer. the video, which we're going to show you in a moment is shocking to say the least. a man shot while running away from a police officer shot multiple times with his back turned. the officer is white. the suspect african-american. the fbi is now investigating, as is the civil rights division of the justice department. the officer said he believed his life was in danger after the suspect took his stun gun. the video, however, seems to tell a very different story. [ shots fire ] eight shots fired at the suspect who had turned his back, turned
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the whole time running away. as you might imagine, this video which was just released already drawing national attention including from federal authorities and there's a lot of details in this video you might not have caught upon first watching. in particular, what happened to the stun gun that the police officer claims this man took. was it, in fact, moved by the police officer and placed closer to the body? for more on the story, we're joined now by "360"'s randi kaye. randi? >> reporter: this video lasted three minutes and 12 seconds. here's what we know. it started with a traffic stop this last saturday, april 4th. according to north charleston police officer, michael slager stopped a mercedes-benz at 9:30 in the morning because of a broken taillight. here's what we don't know. the police officer who pulled the trigger said when the victim took off running takes the victim's taser but look at the whole altercation. we highlighted it here for you.
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you don't see the suspect grab anything but you see something fly off and fall to the ground. and then we only see him running away. and if you watch the whole video again here of the shooting as we slow it down for you, you can see the suspect, who is black, has his back to the officer who you said who was white the entire time clearly running away from him. he appears to be a good 15 or 20 feet away and once he falls, you hear 2 -- you hear the officer on the tape yelling "put your hands behind your back, over and over. yet the 50-year-old victim never moves again. still, he is handcuffed, left face down on the ground. our affiliate said the mayor of north charleston said officer slager did deploy his taser but unsuccessful and the reason he knows that one of the taser projectiles still there and the taser hadn't stopped the suspect. something else, anderson, that struck me, about two minutes into this videotape, watch closely here.
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you see one of the officers there as you mentioned now on the scene. he appears to bend down and pick something up. now, it's hard to see exactly what that is. we don't know if it could be the taser weapon that the officer says that the victim took or if it was something else, but clearly, that officer picked something up from the ground. you see it there again. we also listened to the police dispatch recordings that aired on abc tonight and officer slager could be heard calling in that shooting reporting that the suspect grabbed his taser and letting him know he was shot on the left side of the back, and the suspect that is and also on the left side of the buttocks and add ing thating that the man is unresponsive, and we never again see him move ing ining in that video, anderson. >> i got to say though, there's another important piece of this tape where after the police officer shoots the man, after he handcuffs him, he then, the police officer walks back towards where the altercation originally took place and seems
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to pick something up off the ground. whether that's the taser that was dropped immediately by the man who ran, we don't know, but the officer did walk all the way back, picked up an object and then walked back to the man who's on the ground and later, we see the officer reaching down and picking up something again, whether it's the taser, it's possible. there was some reporting about "the new york times," it's possible that thetaser was dropped by the suspect immediately. the officer went back to pick it up and may have placed it near the the body of the man he has just shot. so, and what's in the police report is clearly not the same as what we now see in this video. so it's a question of not just about the shooting of this man who's running away but the account by the police officer who fired the shots about what actually occurred. >> reporter: right and you have to remember too, by this point, anderson they know this person behind the camera is recording
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it. this person first hiding and by the time he picks something up from the ground, they are well aware that guy is there and that person is there recording their every action. >> right. what we don't know is whether what we picked up from the ground is something that officer himself dropped or something the suspect dropped because it very well could be the same object that the officer himself went back to pick up and place near the body of this man. what's the reaction so far from town officials? because they have come out very strong, very quickly. >> reporter: absolutely. north charleston's mayor characterized this whole thing earlier in a press conference calling it a bad decision by a police officer, and he said when you're wrong, you're wrong. it doesn't matter if you are an officer behind a badge or a citizen on the street you have to live by that decision. >> what do we know about this officer? >> reporter: we're learning more tonight. according to "the post" and "courier" newspaper, officer is
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33 years old, served more than 5 years with this department in north charleston. has been disciplined. two people filed complaints against slager during his time at the force including one man who said the policeman shot him for no reason with a taser back in 2013. but internal investigation found he did nothing wrong. >> that was a mug shot of the police officer we just saw. is he still in custody at this point? >> reporter: we're not clear at this point. >> okay. but he was arrested, has been charged. >> reporter: arrested and charged. >> with murder. randi kaye, thank you very much. there's a lot to talk in this video and try to look at it. there's a lot you could easily miss. joining us is criminal defense attorney mark geragos and former adviser to president obama, van jones, and former nypd detective art howe. this video shocks you? >> shocks me. there's no way that officer can justify firing those rounds at that man. >> because no matter what happened before, no matter what happened in the traffic stop -- >> you know, i think the video is very clear here.
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you know, the man is definitely running away. all he had to do to that officer is wait for his back-up to show up. i have been in instances where i have chased after people and say, this guy is giant. i'm going to get in a fight with him. i'll slow it down a little bit, just keep him in view and then when the officers arrive, then you jump on the guy, get him handcuffed and that's it but this shooting, i tell you, i'm so shocked. >> the guy is running. he's not a sprinter, by any means. >> exactly. >> he's lumbering along and there is a number of ways to deal with this. >> he's going along. they could have very -- there were a number of other ways to deal with it. >> definitely. you know, shooting a man running away like that for a simple traffic stop, of course, when you make a traffic stop, you don't know who you're stopping. why is this guy running in the first place? apparently, had minor offenses in the past but -- >> certainly. >> but still, no reason to shoot that man eight times in the back as he's running away. >> according to his family, there was a warrant out for back child support. >> that's probably why he was running. >> van, i mean, it's pretty stunning to see and again, not just the shooting which is, you
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know, what authorities are calling murder, but then to see, and again, we don't know what he's picking up but then the officer walked all the way back to where this altercation began, picked something off the grown -- ground and then walked back and then you know a few minutes later, picking up something near the victim. >> this looks like cold-blooded murder. and it looks like an attempted cover-up of that murder that just happened to be caught on video. now, i think the concern everyone should have is the police report says what every police report is supposed to say. i was fearful for my life. this was a dangerous person. and yet, it turns out it wasn't true. we see this over and over again. the police report says this black man is dangerous. i was so afraid for my life. oh my god, i have to do something, he was going to kill me and now we finally have
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something where nobody can say that the police report was true and you get this murder charge. but what if there had been no video? what if it had just been another situation where an unarmed black man was killed and the police officer said, well, he grabbed me, he had my weapon and we would have gone on as if nothing happened. we have to start dealing with the fact there are two standards of justice in this country and you do not see these kind of things happening, unfortunately should not happen to anybody but not in the same level to white men. they're happening over and over and over again to unarmed black men in america. and i defy any of the people who said all these other cases, you're playing the race card, et cetera, shouldn't have fought back. here's a situation where the person did not comply, but nobody could say that this man should have been shot down like a dog the way that he was. this is despicable. it is a cold-blooded act of murder and probably an attempted cover-up, but for the video, no one would have believed that man's family. >> mark, the fact that they've charged this officer with murder
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so quickly. what do you make of that? >> well, obviously, the mayor does not want a ferguson redux, so it doesn't surprise me in the least. normally i like to mix it up a little bit, but both harry and van are spot-on. first of all, if it were a civilian and you shot somebody in the back eight time you'd be in custody and there'd be no bail. does it happen all of the time? i will tell you that it happens all too frequently and i see the police reports. i try the cases in courts throughout the country and the police always come up with the same thing, and it is always like a standard script that they teach at police university 101, always say that there is a threat always say that he reached for the gun and then say that he wrestled for the gun, because you know that sis what
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this report said. i am sure that it had something in there that said that he wrestled for thetaser, and he had the gun and he was going fire and i was in fear for my life and but for the videotape which is the videotapes have taken down leaders in foreign countries and maybe it is time that videotapes take down some leaders right here in america, because this is an epidemic in the various communities of the u.s. and unless somebody sees it with their own eyes and this is what is so crazy about it they will not believe that it is possible. i see jurors as recently as last month and had a hung jury 8-4 where the four white jurors could not get their minds around the fact that the police could do this. i mean, there is an exalted position that we've put law enforcement in, and people absent a videotape, they just refuse to believe that this could happen. >> i think in defense of police
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and, you know, i'm trying to show as many different sides here. >> right. >> i think a lot of people on juries, give a lot of sympathy to what police officers say. look, it's a very difficult job. they're out there making split second decisions. however, when you have a videotape like this, i mean, it's a very, i can't come up with any -- >> neither can i. >> any explanation. >> i can't find any way he'll be able to defend this. also, two gentlemen, blanketing this, this happens all the time. this does not happen all the time. two incidents for the millions of millions of police officers who interact with people every day. this is not an epidemic proportions. >> harry -- harry. [ talking over each other ] >> let him finish. >> let me finish, okay? >> let him finish, mark. >> what happened in ferguson, in new york, the u.s. attorneys office is not going after them for civil rights violations. those two incidents, the
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officers are justified in what they did. this incident, the officer is not justified in what he's doing, okay, and therefore, he's going to pay the price for it. but the blanket police officers -- >> only because -- >> mark, go ahead. >> harry, i'll tell you. i understand you're a cop. you have your position. your viewpoint. the fact remains i can give you, take off 100 different examples in the last two years. the only reason that you've got to fess up at this point is because there's a videotape. >> come on. come on, counselor. >> it happened twice -- [ talking over each other ] >> it happened twice in bakersfield just this past year. >> listen, harry, why don't you let me finish? >> let him. >> over me -- >> why don't you just let me finish, harry? >> mark, go ahead. let me just tell you something, harry. it happens all the time and it happens in these communities generally where they don't have a voice. and the problem is unless there's a videotape, nobody wants to believe that it happens, but you know what?
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doing this over 30 years, i'll tell you there's one thing that happens repeatedly. you hear the same story every time virtually almost as if it's a script coming out of the cop's mouth whenever there's a shooting. >> mark, let me ask you. >> they got a script. >> mark, just as a defense attorney, what do you foresee as the defense for this police officer? >> well, i'll tell you exactly what's going to happen. they're going to say that he was in fear for his life. that he wasn't sure that the guy didn't have a gun, that he's going to say basically what his report said, he thought he had a gun, thought he had the other one, it was a split second decision, he fired because he thought he turned and that maybe he was going to turn and fire at him. it's going to be the usual script that they read from. the fact remains, he was pulled over for a broken taillight. you know, my father, who was a prosecutor for many years used to say there's more guys in
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state prison for broken taillights than any other offense. broken taillight means go hassle somebody of color. that's what it's code for, go pull over somebody with some bs justification. >> van, i want you to be able to weigh in but got to take a quick break. weigh in as soon as we get back. more with our panel and also talk about the justice department decision to launch a federal investigation and later, more breaking news. computer hackers striking again. russian hackers. this time, they'll target the white house. most of the products we all buy are transported on container ships. before a truck delivers it to your store, a container ship delivered it to that truck. here in san diego, we're building the first one ever to run on natural gas. ships this big running this clean will be much better for the environment. we're proud to be a part of that.
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welcome back to breaking news tonight. a police officer in north charleston, south carolina. michael slager is his name. that's the mug shot. arrested today, could face life in prison or a death sentence if convicted. alleged crime happened on saturday. slager shot eight shots at a fleeing suspect, entire incident caught on video. take a look. [ shots firing ] and again, in addition to murder charges, officer slager could at some point face federal charges. the justice department late this evening announced it is getting involved. details from evan perez who joins us now. what are you hearing from sources, evan? >> this is something moving extremely quickly. i haven't seen one start so quickly so soon after an incident. the justice department said both the fbi down in south carolina and the civil rights division
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are both going to be taking a look at this. the justice department said we'll take appropriate action in light of the evidence and developments in this case. and of course, the state is already bringing charges, which, you know, sort of gives you an impression that post-ferguson, a lot of things have changed in the way both state and federal law enforcement deals with these incidents. >> evan, obviously some people seeing this say, racism is involved. the officer is white and victim is african-american. because the federal government investigating, doesn't mean there's any federal charges or civil rights charges. could remain solely a state case. >> yes, we've talked about this on this program many times what the high burden that the federal prosecutors face in bringing civil rights charges in these type of incidents. tonight, anderson, before i came on here, dan henry the name of a 20-year-old college student in
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suburban new york in westchester county was killed by a police officer. there was no individualvideo, and there were a lot of disputed details about that and tonight, the pros kuecutors in manhattan said that they were not going to bring civil rights charges because they said it is very difficult to prove that this person willfully tried to deprive this person of their civil rights. and i guess that's probably the same thing they're going to face in this incident, anderson, because it is simply very difficult to reach that standard of proof. >> evan perez, thank you for being with us. with van jones and harry howe. i'm getting tweets saying, why are you even talking about race here because there's no evidence race played any role in this shooting, this could just be a police officer making a bad decision and that's what the authorities there in south carolina are saying. >> well, listen. first of all, the problem is that when you see the same
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pattern over and over again, it's hard to ignore that. let me just say a couple of things i want to say before. we have a problem with the police doing things like this and turning in the same police report over and over again. we have to start to understand, police are not super heroes and not super villains. you don't have to deify them or demonize saying they're all bad. they are city employees. and what happens is with city employees, you have a mix of people with a mix of motives and you've got to take each one as they come. the problem we have right now is that every police officer is coached. whenever they fire their weapon, to write the same thing on the police report. i was in fear for my life because that's the legal standard, not because it's true. in this case, it's obviously not true. but across the country, you have over and over again, literally the same cookie cutter language and then the public is fooled, jurors are fooled, the media is fooled.
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and unless there's a video like this horrible video, african-americans in particular are just not believed and i feel so sorry for the family and for the friends of this man to see over and over again him being shot down like a dog. but the only way you can even prove to some people in america that there is a potential problem of race is to have to show this video over and over again. this is happening all too often and it's happening all too often to unarmed african-american men and we have to deal with that fact even as we try to figure out the specific circumstances of this shooting. >> mark, i've got to say. the person who took this video, in my opinion, showed a remarkable display of frankly of courage. i mean, to be standing there so close to a shooting and then to approach officers in this situation with your camera out and apparently, you know, they know that at some point, they are being videotaped. that's a tricky situation. >> it's an amazing thing for this person to do.
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you heard how many shots were fired there. you also see the officers, what it looks to me at least an attempted cover-up and the planting of evidence and, you know, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch if you're taking that video to say, jeez, what am i doing? all of the sudden, they could come over to me, grab my phone and i could end up face down. and the one thing i'd say is, the only thing i probably disagree with van about is it doesn't look to me like they treated him like a dog. dogs get treated better than this guy. they left him there. one of the things we haven't talked about. take a look at the police report because the reporting is that in the police report, these cops said they attended to him, tried to give cpr and everything else. they didn't. they didn't do a thing. they just sat there and let him bleed out and die. worse than you would with an animal.
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that's what's absolutely stunning to me on top of everything else. >> yeah. >> they're more worried about the cover-up than they were in saving somebody's life. >> harry, for the first couple of minutes, they are just standing by and one point, they bend down and actually feel for a pulse. >> longer. somebody -- >> the officer comes with some sort of medical kit but several minutes have already gone by. >> officers checked him and he's dead. which was a possibility. they checked his pulse and he was already dead. >> why would an officer -- >> but then why lie about it? >> why the officer lie about it? >> in the police report, it said they attempted cpr and attempted cpr. >> all of this is the stuff -- >> but why -- >> it's what you see in every police report. every police report. >> every single one. >> every single one. >> is there any reason for an officer who's just shot somebody and handcuffed them to then walk back and pick something up, whether it's a taser or whether it's something else. it's not a gun. >> that's what we're definitely
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thinking. >> can i please answer the question, mr. geragos? >> i mean, is there any justification to actually go back in the heat of that moment? >> maybe he's going back for evidence. maybe going back to plant something. we have to give this video enhanced to see what the second officer picked up first and then when he went back, did he come back and drop something? we have to go through this scene by scene. >> and certainly, authorities are doing this now. >> why do we have to do that? why do we have to do all that? civilians, you wouldn't have to do that. if these were civilians -- >> why, harry? >> why doesn't the other cop arrest him? why doesn't the other cop arrest him? >> the other cop. >> mark, you're saying the other police officer should, but we don't know what the officer police officer saw. >> you don't have to administer. >> the other police officers certainly did not talk about what happened. the other police officer also dummied up a report.
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>> how do you know he dummied up a report? did you read it? did you read the report? >> there you go, harry. default. >> harry -- >> why don't they do -- >> [ talking over each other ] >> we've got to take a break. >> why don't they do, arrest first, ask questions later. spin the truth. >> we're just hearing there may be a press conference shortly with the family of the man who was killed. we'll bring that back to you. whatever comes from this has the potential to go deadly. we show ordinary to deadly in just a heartbeat. ♪ you're only young once. unless you have a subaru. (announcer) the subaru xv crosstrek.
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breaking news as south carolina police officer charged with murder. the shooting of a suspect, the man by the name of walter scott caught on videotape. take a look. eight shots fired in all now. in our last segment regarding this shooting, van jones said we should neither put police on a pedestal or paint them as villains. this next report is a good example. tough encounters and how hard it is to make the right call. randi kaye. >> reporter: tense moments in a gas station in south carolina. sean reuber, a highway patrol officer just pulled over a man. watch what happens next. >> can i see your license, please? get out of the car! get on the ground! get on the ground!
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>> reporter: when the man turned back inside his car to get his license, the officer fired in an instant. >> are you hit? >> i think so. i can't feel my legs. i don't know what happened. why did you shoot me? >> well, you dove headfirst back in your car. >> i'm sorry. >> reporter: the victim, 35-year-old lavar jones, survived. the officer was fired and charged with aggravated assault and battery. in billings, montana, an officer approaches four men sitting inside of their car. >> hands up. all four of you, hands up. >> reporter: officer grant morrison appears to recognize one of them as a suspect from an earlier shooting. he tells him he's making him nervous. and then this. >> hands up. hands on the [ bleep ]. get your [ bleep ] hands up, i will shoot you. i will shoot you. hands up. hands up! hands up! i'll shoot you again, hands up! >> hands up. >> i'll shoot you, [ bleep ] get on the [ bleep ] ground. >> reporter: the man killed was
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unarmed, it turns out. but morrison feared for his life because the man kept dropping his left hand and despite him yelling to keep his hands up. the shooting ruled justifiable homicide. in arizona, this video shows the last moments of his life. the casual conversation between the officer and the man suspected of domestic violence. officer stewart doesn't even have his gun drawn but watch what happens when the officer asks to frisk the man. >> do you mind if i pat down your pockets real quick? >> no no. >> you don't have anything in there? >> no. no, my smokes. >> the video ends there as the suspect pulled a .22 caliber revolver, shot six times and the hit five, never had a chance. >> there were a series of rounds
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fired at the time in his face. >> reporter: the 24-year-old officer died at the hospital. the suspect, meanwhile, used the officer's weapon to take his own life. randi kaye, cnn, new york. in other news tonight, russian hackers have gotten access to the white house. that story in a moment. financial noise financial noise
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more breaking news tonight. word that russian hackers broke into the access of the white house e-mail system and did it apparently the way that hackers do claiming to be from your bank asking you the log in with your i.d. and password and nouw we go the evan perez who broke the story. what are you learning? >> well, the way that you described it is exactly how it happens typically. this is a sophisticated hack however according to the officials that i have talked to. they first got into the state department's e-mail system and then they managed to trick
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someone to let them into the executive office of the president's system and that is how they were able to get access to sensitive information, and again, this is not the classified e-mail system, but the e-mail system that the white house uses to manage a number of things from the policy announcements to things coming down the pike from other agencies in the government. >> do we have any idea how long it was hacked for or how long it was compromised? >> well we don't know how long they were this there, and we know that the state department was hacked for some time and nay owned the state department and these are russian hackers, and the white house, it appears that the white house in october they disclosed that they had seen some suspicious activity for the unclassified system but that is not going to the portray how serious this is, because as i said, you can get a lot of very prized information that foreign spiesle really want to get their hands on. >> evan perez, thank you for the
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update. and joining is shawn henry who is a top fbi official who is in charge of the bureau's investigation of the cyber crime. when we say russian hackers is it private individuals working for the russian government or direct employees? >> well, ran dersonanderson in this case they have not come to have direct retribution to russia but often times it is the russian government and although, there are those who are sympathetic to the russian government who might be hacking, and providing the information back to the russian government and maybe hackers who are hacking on behalf of themselves, but the russian government is monitoring their communication, and so they are benefiting from the efforts of the hackers, and so there is a range of potential of group or groups that might have been behind this kind of attack. >> and in terms of the countries who have the greatest capabilities in this i am told that it is russia, china, and
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obviously, i guess to a lesser extent north korea and iran? >> yes, dozens of government agencies that have capabilities that are very, very sophisticated. russia russia, china and iran are three of the most sophisticated with the largest capabilities. china being the country that has probably the most prolific and the widest ranging of groups of collectors to collecting intelligence from the government from the commercial sector to the educational institutions et cetera and on the global level, the zusu.s. is not the only target, but one of the targets of the services like this. >> and the fact that they were able to get into the white house system is scary in one thing, and the fact that e evan was saying that they were able to own the state department system and that went on for some time is kind of shocking, isn't it? >> yeah. i don't have specific information about the state department hack, but i can tell you that it is very very typical
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for these sophisticated hackers once they get a foothold into the network to be on there for months or years undetected and that is the disturbing part, because with that level of access they have got they have the ability to see everything that occurs on the network, and the ability to exfiltrate data off of the network and most important anderson, that i can de destroy some of the components of the network and that is one of the points of the infra infrastructure, because they can destroy networks. >> it seems that we will see more and more of this stuff. shawn hep ri, thank you. and now, rand paul following in his father's footsteps in presidential candidacy he is paving a new path for himself, and how his message may be changing. n with bp ever since. today, i lead a team that sets our global safety standards. after the spill we made two commitments.
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interesting change of direction in the murder trial of aaron hernandez. there was a striking admission of the defense still hanging in the arir. admission that the former nfl star was at the scene of the crime when it happened and he was there when odin lloyd was shot and killed. it is a striking admission, and not to mention a complete 180
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for the defense. susan candiotti was there inside of the courthouse. tell us what happened. >> an derderson, you are correct, that for the first time the $40 million contract player for the new england patriots deskribcribe in their words a 23-year-old kid who witnesses something committed by somebody that he knew, and that tortured language implying that he is blameing it on the two other people with him at the crime scene that night. but we also heard something for the very first time from the pros ku prosecutors in the case going so far as to say that aaron hernandez was actual lily the trigger man, and now it is up to the jury to sift through ten weeks of evidence. >> reporter: each day, a traditional call to order. after 135 witnesses stretching over nearly 11 weeks, a jury will now decide the fate of former new england star aaron
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hernandez. >> the commonwealth is going to prove to you that the defendant committed the crime of murder. >> reporter: but a hard fought defense contends that hernandez would never kill his good friend odin lloyd who was dating shania jenkins, the sister of his fiancee. >> he was more planning his future and not a murder. >> reporter: a lloyd's bullet-riddled body was found, and then a blount with lloyd and hernandez'dan dna was found. and then a tire track with aaron hernandez hernandez' car was found, too, and then there was a shoe print of the same type of sneaker that he was seen wearing that night. in each of the cases, the defense attacks the find ingsings.
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you can't tell us, sir, can you, that that outsole pattern made that impression that impression can you? >> no. >> and neither that the video was a glock. >> in my opinion it is a glock pistol. >> reporter: but the defense argues that it is maybe a ipod. >> and glock pistols don't have white handles, do they? >> no. >> and so does the fiancee shania jenkins toss it out? she gets immunity to testify that he told her to toss this black box. >> the defendant called you and told you the go down to get this box and get rid of it. is that right? >> i believe so. >> but on cross she says that
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she smells marijuana inside of that bag. what may be harder to challenge is video of odin lloyd getting into that car with hernandez and his two friends, the same car going into the dark industrial park and three minutes and 40 seconds later, reappearing. then driving back to hernandez' driveway without lloyd. a show stopping witness, hernandez' former boss robert kraft who met privately with the tight end two days after the murder. >> he said that he was not involved. that he was innocent and that he hoped that the time of the murder incident came out, because i believe that he said that he was in a club. >> and yet evidence shows that hernandez was not at a club that night night. and it raises the question how would he know the time of the murder when it was not yet made
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public. throughout the trial, hernandez is laser sharp throughout the prosideceedings and barely glancing at odin lloyd's family there everyday. so the jury of seven women, and five men began to deliberate late this afternoon for about an hour and a half. and anderson, they are going to be back here first thing in the morning for their first full day of deliberations. back to you. thank you, susan, to put it in perspective and context. quick relate edd programming note, we are going to be airing susan's program with all of the new developments in the case, "downward spiral." and also new tonight, rand paul is hitting the trail and we will look at where he stands with the other republican candidates. and that takes a lot of energy. we use natural gas throughout the airport - for heating the entire terminal
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the republican candidate is announcing he is running for president. this time it is senator rand paul paul. >> today, i announce with god's help with the help of liberty
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lovers everywhere that i am putting myself forward as a candidate for president of the united states of america. >> well shgs, he of course becomes the second republican to declare candidacy in the 2016 presidential race joining ted cruz and the field of the republican side is starting to grow in the months ahead as senator marco rubio of florida is expected to launch next week and jeb bush and chris krischristie and scott walker are eyeing campaigns, and so we wanted to see where senator rand paul is right now. i talked to chief national correspondent john king earlier. john in this crowd of candidates where does he stand? >> well, it is not bad, but he has to grow. we have been polling this question for a year and a half,ed a at one point he was 16%, and now at 12%, and a quick look at the history, at 16% a little more than a year ago that put him first place, and then governor huckabee and bush down there, and halfway through,
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chris christie with the buzz, and then rand paul strong and huckabee and rick perry there, and now a poll three weeks ago nationally and jeb bush ahead, and scott walker ahead, and you kcan bet since ted cruz likely has moved up since his announce announcement. what is it going to tell you that rand paul over that course of time has kept a steady base of 10 12 15% which is a good place to start, but he needs to grow. if he cozies up to the establishment, some might think from the tea party that cruz is better but on the foreign policy, some of the libertarians might think, whoa he is changing the views and stay away so as he tries to grow, that is the challenge for rand paul. >> and ohio and new hampshire, are those primaries important for him? >> yes, because his dad proved that he could last in the campaign, but we knew that rand paul would never be a republican campaign, but rand paul, because he is different, he has to prove himself to win. he is well organized in iowa and the most recent poll is february and be careful of the numbers,
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because ted cruz would be moving up. and he is nin the teens here, but he has to do better in iowa and his dad is well organized there, and rand paul has a grass roots team there, and the mix of the libertarian and the tea party and an opportunity for him, but he needs to move. and and new hampshire, live free or die, and if libertarian is going to win, it is there. and ted walker and ted cruz again moved up probably, and we will look in the polls in the days ahead and in states like the independents can come in and rand paul does not want to be ron paul but he doesn't want to be dad, but he has to prove that he can win early and he has been working it since 2013 and been to iowa five times, and tied with ted cruz with iowa and new hampshire visit and so he gets it and knows that the first two states are critically important, and no doubt that he is is going to be an impact player in the race, but the
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question is if he can grow enough to win. >> that is going to do it for us. and the next "downward ♪ ♪ >> tonight, aaron hernandez. he was a rising nfl star racing toward greatness. >> what's the meaning on your forearm? >> if it is to be, it's up to me. basically saying my life is in mai hands, and whatever i want my life to be, it's up to me to make it out that way. >> the question now, kid he make himself a murderer? >> i plead not guilty. >> what's the evidence? >> in my opinion, the firearm shown in the video is a dplok pistol. >> where is the murder weapon? >> he told me to go downstairs and remo