orth charleston south carolina where as you know a man by the name of walter scott was shot multiple times in the back by a police officer who has now been charged with murder. tonight, my conversation with a remarkable woman, the mother judy scott. her son killed by a local policeman who today lost his job and now as, you know faces murder charges for shooting walter scott again and again and again. judy scott is enduring the worst pain a parent can experience. that's not surprising. what is surprising and what you're going to hear tonight in the interview is that at the worst moment in her life she is experiencing incredible sense of faith and incredible strength and even forgiveness. she has forgiven she says the man who killed her son. you will hear that from her tonight. that man is michael slager. he was fired today less than 24 hours after being charged with murder. police chief eddie draeger today called it sickening. the victim's mother still has

not been able to watch the full video of her son being gunned down. it was taken four days ago by a bystander and he took it to show the family after what the police said about this shooting was not true. the officer firing shot after shot eight shots in all. that's what the video shows after fleeing walter scott whose back was turned the entire time. take a look. that obviously is the pivotal sequence, but there are other moments i just want to highlight for you. i want to show you in this video that are vital to telling the entire story. take a look at this moment. there is the officer, officer slager running back to pick something up. the question is what was it? was it the taser that he claimed walter scott ran off with? then there's the moment when he drops an object he walks back to walter scott's lifeless body

and then he drops an object next to mr. scott's body. it appears to be the same object that he picked up closer to where the altercation took place. was he in fact planting evidence? a short time later, he picks something up from the same side of the body where he dropped that object. perhaps, the same object he had drop dropped moments before. we'll look at that night, any and all of it could have a major impact on the case. in the next two hours, we're on for two hours because there's an awful lot of angles to cover on this story and an awful lot of people to talk to. criminal justice experts weigh in on what we see but first, martin savidge on all the major developments up till now. >> reporter: one day after releasing this shocking video -- >> no justice! no peace! >> reporter: north charleston is now feeling the fallout. >> this has been a reality that has been in north charleston

police department for many many years. it just so happens we have a video. >> reporter: demonstrators gathered in front of city hall demanding the mayor resign and more officers be arrested as the investigation into the police shooting death of walter scott intensifies. >> everybody will know the truth. >> reporter: scott's family said they foresaw the video sunday horrified but what had showed but grateful for the truth they say it reveals, especially in light of other deaths of african-americans at the hands of police. >> i would like cops to be accountable and let them know that if they try this again, somebody may be watching. so maybe think twice before they fire their weapons. >> reporter: the family continues to ask the public for calm and in a gesture of sympathy and solidarity north charleston's mayor and police chief paid a visit to the home of scott's parents to offer condolences and city support. >> black lives matter. black lives matter. >> reporter: but elsewhere in

the community, demonstrators took to the streets complaining it was only after the video surfaced showing what appears to be misconduct did the city and the department finally acknowledge it was the officer who was at fault. after initially blaming the victim saying he had threatened the officer with a taser. >> good afternoon. >> reporter: at a news conference the mayor and police chief announced the accused officer, 33-year-old michael slager, had been terminated but benefits for his 8 month pregnant wife would continue. >> we think that's the humane thing for us to do and we will do that. >> reporter: also to pray for the grieving scott family. the city's police chief offered strongest condemnation yet of the police shooting. >> i have watched the video. and i was sickened by what i saw. i have not watched it since.

>> reporter: but both men were often interrupted by demonstrators, members of the public who shouted. >> no justice, no peace! >> reporter: why medical aid didn't appear to be given to the wounded scott by police and why he was handcuffed after he was shot and after all, why predominantly white police force was ready to change. >> martin savidge joins me now. you were at the press conference earlier. what else was said? >> there's a lot of things a lot of change coming to this police department. whether they know it or not at this stage. you wonder some of that. they announced body cameras are coming. this is something the police force continued for a while, thought about at least. and because of this tragedy they'll expedite it. >> that's something the family of walter scott wants to see. >> they do. because we know in this case the video made all the difference and speaking of walter scott, funeral arrangements have been planned to take place on saturday. families chose a very large venn

knew ue in summerville. >> mart savidge, thank you very much. i spent time at the mother's house. judy and was joined by attorney chris stewart. how are you holding up? >> lord is my strength. he's helping me. >> keeping you down right now? >> yes, knowing god as my personal savior. >> when did you get the news about your son? >> it was saturday. >> what did you hear? what did they tell you? >> they, really my elder son is the one that told me. i heard nothing from the police or anyone. >> and when you were told that

the police were saying there had been a scuffle, that your son had fought for the taser did that sound believable to you? >> i knew that was not true because he knew how, especially the north charleston policemen conduct themselves. he would never jeopardize his life. >> he would not have done something like that. >> no he would not have done it. >> so when did you learn that there was a video tapetape? >> it was the next day. >> so when you finally saw it i can't imagine what went through your head. >> i couldn't really watch the whole tape. when i saw my son running, and i saw the policeman behind him, i couldn't take it. i had to turn away. i couldn't handle it.

>> knowing what you know now, i mean that not only what happened to your son the way it happened it was all captured on tape and even what seems to be pictures of the policemen picking up something, maybe the taser, placing it near your son's body what do you think what happened? >> that was not right. the policemen are supposed to protect the people not try to frame them or get out of what they've done wrong. they're supposed to be honest people. protecting us. >> what do you want people to know about your son? >> i want them to know that he was a loving son, a loving father. he cared about his family.

and i will no matter what happens, it will not replace my son. >> do you believe that the justice will be done? >> i believe god. with the policemen being arrested he's got to get convicted. and i believe since god moves so fast that god i serve is able. i know god will make a way. god will fix it. >> what do you think of the person who came forward with this video? >> he was there. god planned that. he's the ram in the bush. i truly believe that. >> some people would have been scared and run away. he not only stayed he approached the police officers to get a closer video. have you been able to talk to him? >> no. >> what would you want to say to

him? >> i would want to thank him for what he did. >> do you believe something like this has happened before here that nobody knows about it because there's not a videotape? >> yes. i do believe that. >> is that something you've always felt? >> there are, i hate to say it but there are some dirty cops. >> i know the chief of police i understand, came by. the clergy, mayor came by as well. what did you feel about their visit? >> i thanked them for coming. i mean i'm supposed to be really angry and upset and raging and all of that, but i can't. because of the love of god in me. i can't be like that. bible let me -- >> not in your heart. >> no i don't.

i feel forgiveness in my heart, even for the guy who shot and killed my son. >> you feel forgiveness. >> yes. for him. yes, i do. >> thank you for talking with us. i'm so sounds so hollow. i'm so sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> i just want to repeat what mrs. scott said there. she said at this point just days after her son was gunned down shot in the back multiple times, she feels forgiveness in her heart for the man who killed her son. she's an extraordinary woman. you heard how grateful ms. scott is that someone was able to get it on tape. he's been anonymous. up next hear what he saw and the evidence his video could contain about officer slager's actions during the shooting and after and whether answers the questions, did he plant

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was her son walter. >> what made you pick up your phone on saturday? >> well, when i saw the scene, i was walking to my job. i was walking to my job and i had seen mr. scott. and i went to chase him. i was on a phone call and i decide to go over there and see what was going on. >> was there a struggle? >> there was. they were down on the floor. they were down on the floor before i saw the recording. they were down on the floor. i remember the police had control of the situation. he had control of scott and scott was trying to just get away from the taser. the taser, you know you can

hear the sound of the taser. >> he had been tased at that point. >> yeah. >> you heard the sound. >> yes, i heard the sound before i started recording. and i believe he just wanted to get away of the taser. but like i said never used against. >> mr. scott runs away. >> yes, runs away. >> what's the police officer do? >> as you can see in the video, the police officer does shoot him in the back and knew had something in my hands. >> ultimately, you turned it over to the attorneys for the family of mr. scott. >> yes, the family. >> what was the reaction to you? >> well it was, they were very emotional when it happened including -- because when i turn i felt i thought about about his position. their situation and i say if i would have a family member that would happen i would like to know the truth. >> as a result of that video

tape a man, a police officer has been charged with murder. how do you feel about that? >> well like i say, it's not something that no one can feel happy about. he has his family mr. scott also has his family but i think he made a bad decision and you pay for your decisions in this life. and i think, like i say, mr. scott didn't deserve it this. and there were other ways that can be used to get him arrested and that wasn't the proper way to do that. >> feiden santana, our first eyewitness account what happened immediately before what we see on that video. a closer look at the video itself. it's important to analyze it and the evidence it contains. for the first time, the picture of the struggle between walter

and slager. >> when michael slager called dispatch about the shooting listen to what he told them. >> shots fired. told to get down. he grabbed my taser. >> but did walter scott really grab the taser? frank piaza is an expert. >> the officer seems to lunge and have something in his hand. is he putting himself up in arms to shield himself? i don't know maybe there's a tasing happening at that point. >> you also see something seems to fall or come off the officer. so we zoomed in for a better look and slowed the video as the object tumbled off the dirt back. >> and if i take it back to that same spot in the video, and we watch it frame by frame, you can see something. >> right there. >> and it also grabs a reflection. you can see. >> like a silver or white. >> possibly something metallic. >> enhancing the video also showed us something we hadn't

seen before. some sort of struggle on the ground even before the suspect took off running. >> i believe they're wrestling on the ground. as you continue to watch it frame by frame, you can see there's some movement and somebody stands up. >> reporter: we also wanted to know if this suspect did take the officer's taser, was it ever in his hands on the video? >> i don't see anything dangling down. if there is we sure can't see it. it looks like just a fist. >> reporter: on the video, officer slager returns to where the struggle where with the suspect first began. crouches down but the cell phone video pans off him before we see what he picks up or what he does with it. >> the positioning. >> reporter: but our expert told us given the officer's positioning, it appears he's making a move to pick up the original object that fell just off the dirt path. moments later, the enhanced videotape gives us our best image yet of officer slager

dropping an object to the ground. curiously close to the victim's body. >> you can see something appear right here both above his kneecap and it gets really -- >> reporter: it releases. >> it releases his hand goes up higher and there it is. now, you know, what is that? that's the question of course. >> reporter: let's see it again. >> so here it is. >> reporter: so that's it. right there. >> i cannot be precise identifying it. >> reporter: seconds later, we zoom in to see the officer pick up something in the grass. perhaps the very same object he dropped. >> first, let's see if we can see it in the grass. >> reporter: there he goes picking it up. >> let's start with that first. clearly, there's something reflecting. >> reporter: if that something is a taser investigators will certainly want to know how it got there. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> we should also point out the object he picked up off the ground closer to the body of mr. scott, he seemed to also place

on his belt. before bringing in the panel, more evidence of how big a difference this video may have made in all of this. monday before it surfaced the dominant narrative was of a threatened police officer who acted to save his own life. here's the lead of the story that ran on monday the posting courier. quote, a north charleston police officer felt threatened last weekend when the driver he had stopped for a broken brake light tried to overpower him and take his taser. that's why slager fatally shot the man, the officer's attorney said monday. went on to say authorities publicly identified slager an officer with the city december december 2009 and gave his reason for the traffic stop that led to the fatal confrontation. police documents also revealed that slager announced within seconds why he had fired. why someone might have envisioned a totally different scenario than caught on camera.

with that and randi kaye's reporting, let's bring in dan bongino and cnn legal analyst mark geragos and new york times, charles blow. in the likely immediateocal medianimmediatemedia and what we see from the tape. >> the most fascinating thing, this happens hundreds of times, already 300 times this year and usually, the press will put out the official quote unquote official version which is complete crap basically. and that gets bought into by everybody and it usually becomes, oh my god, here you go. this guy did this. he grabbed for the gun. he did whatever else and it gets swept under the rug. obviously, what happened here was, and by the way, you didn't see any city officials doing

anything to investigate this to do anything at all until the video came out. once the video came out, then what happened is they all realized uh-oh, we've got a problem. and they fire the officer and do everything else. to me this is an epidemic problem. it happens all over the country. i've got at least ten of these cases in the office right now where they have killed where police have killed people with equally ludicrous stories like this and the public officials just accept it and the local journalists just become the house organs for the police basically, the propaganda machines for the police. this is an abject lesson for why you cannot believe the bs that comes out of the police departments when there's these kind of shootings. >> dan, when you look at this tape would an officer have any valid reason for shooting

someone multiple times in the back and laying handcuffed on the ground to walk back and pick up something off the ground and then later drop something near the suspect? i mean, isn't the entire thing supposed to be a secure crime scene that's going to be investigated when you actually pick something up? >> the only thing i can think about, you're asking me to get in his head for a minute. it is a weapon and he may have thought someone picked it up. i don't know what he was thinking but either way, anderson one important point here. >> but even it is a weapon, even if it is a weapon this is a crime scene that people are going to investigate and take photographs of. everything has to be left exactly in its place no? >> not if it's an active crime scene. when i was a secret service agent and someone attacking the president, you don't say, nobody move it's a crime scene. it's not a crime scene until the crime is over. i'm just guessing here. i can't get in his head but there's an important point as well. no matter what happened before

the video started, even if he did try to take the taser mr. scott, you know if i try to take your gun and i'm holding you at gunpoint and you're a cop and drop the gun and say i surrender, the cop can't pick up the gun and shoot you while you walk away. i am hypothesizing as to why he picked up the taser. i don't know. >> charles, if the video had not surfaced there's the argument none of this would be taking place and the argument the family makes and the family's attorney makes without a doubt that this has no doubt happened before but just wasn't video to prove it. >> well that is the conundrum here. that we don't know how many times such a situation has unfolded where there is no video, right, so if the only thing that can make the wills of justice move this quickly and in

this way is this sort of video and we do not have a universal policy of police officers always wearing and always having their camera body cameras on, and we're depending on individual citizens with individual cell phones to be the reporters and - to hold accountable police officers in these cases or to be, you know the kind of independent resource of information, that is incredibly problematic. i think what is most troubling here is the idea that people already have a suspicion and that these source of things only deepen the suspicion around police officers' use of force and communities of color. that actually hurts police work as well as injuring actual people because when people don't trust the police officer, they're less likely to cooperate. this has been documented the idea that people don't want to cooperate because they don't

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charleston by city hall. breaking news tonight, a local police officer charged with murdering a suspect has been fired. the man who caught the shooting on camera has come forward. we're expecting to see police dash cam video sometime tomorrow. federal authorities are investigating possible civil rights violations as well. there's a lot to talk about. back with the panel, dan bongino, mark geragos, and charles blow. mark is there anything you could think of that could surface and i'm asking this as a defense attorney i'm talking about eyewitness accounts any of the video before this video ran, anything at all that a defense attorney is going to try to use to try to change the way

this incident is being viewed? >> no. i don't think that there is because i think the biggest problem here you saw, you had played the top of the package here the, i think, shots of the local papers. the thing that's even more i think, horrible in this case is the police reports. the police reports in this case are what unfortunately i see all too often which is the police put out a script basically, a series of lies that they got or were taught at the academy or police university 101, which is i was afraid for my life the subject grabbed or wrestled for my gun or my taser or whatever it is. and i shot because of that. and then and that was the narrative that they had set out which gets set out by the way

hundreds of times a year when they use excessive force. and, generally, if he had lived, if walter scott had lived, what would have happened they would have charged him with resisting arrest or assault on a police officer. he would have been criminally charged, he would have been placed in jail he would have been demonized. that's what happens and then he wouldn't have had the resources to fight the criminal case that they charged him with and they would have told him, they would have stacked the charges up he would have faced, you know tens of years in state prison and he would have taken a plea deal because he wouldn't have wanted to face 10 years or 8 years in prison. and by pleading guilty the city and the police department would have insulated themselves from civil liability. this goes on every day across the u.s. and nobody says anything. and for the people anderson tweeting last night. well you know this happens to white people too. yes, it does but the reason

this happens is because being law enforcement is the third rail in the u.s. you can't touch it. you can't say anything. politicians are chicken. and they don't want to say anything. it's a real epidemic. >> yeah and our next spot we'll show what the earlier report said versus what we now know from the video. dan, i've been surprised because i've got a number of tweets from some people overwhelmingly i should say white people who tweeted me who say he shouldn't have run away from a police officer. and plenty of people say, ochbl, you shouldn't run away from a police officer but there is no justification for a police officer waiting a few seconds, watching a man slowly running away i should point out. not as if this guy is a sprinter. and then taking out his gun and shooting multiple times. is there? i mean is there any -- >> no, not that i know of. >> that he thought he was a danger to the community he had

to be stopped. i just don't get it. >> no the rules are pretty clear on fleeing felons. unless they present dangerous personal injury or death to someone else there is no shooting someone trying to escape. anderson, it doesn't seem to me to be any ethical, moral, or legal reason for those shots to have been fired at all. should have been a foot pursuit. but mark said he's engaging in dangerous hyperbole and this is doing nothing to advance dialogue between police/community relations. there's no police script. i know a lot of cops. i was one. >> here we go. here's the cop fallback. this is -- >> mark let him finish. [ talking over each other ] >> mark let him finish. >> i know what you're going to say, dan. >> you know again. >> mark seriously, let him

finish. >> dan, please go ahead and finish. >> this doesn't happen. this doesn't happen. danny, you and i both know there is a cop script. it happens every time. this is what really aggravates you and all the other, the guy that they had on. >> how much money you make off -- >> when there's video evidence. >> what aggravates me that other don't let other people finish their thought. >> my point, mark. >> there are good people doing the right thing and the cops i know you don't know have called me i spoken today, who say this was a really horrible shooting but you don't know that because you get rich of going on tv and saying ridiculous things. >> danny, you know what? >> don't call me danny. i don't know you. >> the only time cops get upset is when there's a video that catches you. >> no. >> charles, please guys. no one listens when you talk over each other.

i guarantee you. no one listens. there's a report in south carolina i think is very important. analyzing gunfire by police officers over the last five years. they say that there have been more than 200 discharges of weapons by police officers in the past five years in south carolina and then not a single one of them has ever been declared to be inappropriate, illegal, no one has ever faced any penalty for any, any of those discharges. you know obviously some even most of them could very well have been totally legitimate. that seems like an awful lot of gun discharges and not any one of them has been declared unjustified. >> right. it's strange that would be the case, and police policies are written very broadly. if you don't have specific evidence as in this case, a video that shows that contradicts what police say, you're going to be really hard pressed to fight those, what the

police are saying in any particular case. and i think, i want to back up to what mark and dan were talking about before though. which is i have been really kind of encouraged to hear at least some police officers active or former today say this was, this looks horrible. there seems to me to be no justification for this. i think that is really a step in the right direction because we actually need other police officers to say this discredits the profession that i am in and you cannot have a situation where people do not step up and say something has happened wrong here. we see a second officer show up on the scene when mr. scott is on the ground as the first officer dropped whatever he's dropping next to his body. and if that officer, you know if there's good officers out there, we need you to say something. we can't wait until a video

comes forward for you, that be the moment where you say, oh yes. this happens to be a really bad case. there is another officer on the scene. >> let me ask dan. >> i think that officer needs to answer what he believes that was dropped on the ground and plant, and if it is he also needs to be charged. >> dan, just very briefly. i mean because we got to go to break and mark please don't jump on this. let dan finish is there still the blue wall of silence, everybody knows about that to the best of my memory and everybody knows how things have been with a lot of police forces doctors have a wall of silence, isn't there still a blue wall of silence, dan? >> when i got on the police department of course there's that hole off, everybody silo off and protect your friends. i'm not going to deny that happened. but i tell you what anderson. that's been breaking down slowly over time. it's never going to be wrong but

charles is right. we need good cops the stand up and say this was a really bad awful shooting. it looks indefensible on the tape. i'm a cop. i have to go out in the community and police these communities the next day and perception is reality. if people think they're under assault in their own community, they are. and we need good cops to stand up. the ones i've spoken to and in contrast what mark thinks this was a terrible shooting. it doesn't seem to be justified. >> mark i'll let you. >> it was on video because they got caught. >> i'll let you weigh in -- >> i can't deal with this. >> i'll let you weigh in more in just a moment. >> i know you can't deal with mark. just a reality. >> it's not that i can't deal i just can't deal with people talking at the same time the audience can't hear it. but understandable that emotions run high on this. a stark reminder of the video is

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we're live tonight from north charleston south carolina where michael slager sits in a jail cell charged with murder and stripped of his police shield. that's how fast things have changed since this video surfaced of slager firing eight shots at walter scott killing him as he ran from the officer. as we reported the video tells a much different story than the one slager gave in his police report and the initial account given to the public. our gary tuchman walks us through the discrepancies. >> reporter: the questions about officer michael slager came hard and fast. eddie driggers is the chief of the north charleston police. >> to my knowledge, nobody was witness to anything but slager. >> reporter: slager handcuffed walter scott after he shot him but the video did not appear to aid him. shortly after the shooting another officer shows up

identified as sergeant habershan. he said i applied pressure to the gunshot wounds but no mention of cpr or chest compressions. several police are on site and one said in a statement, he did perform cpr despite habersham not mentioning it. he said i exited my vehicle and assisted officer with first aid and cpr and continued to perform until ems arrived on scene. still, another officer identified as sergeant webdeclared. i saw administer chest compression to the defendant. the question remains. was cpr ever performed on this man as far as you know? >> i'm going to be totally honest with you.

i am. and give me just a second. the honesty comes from my heart. i have watched the video. and i was sickened by what i saw. >> reporter: part of what the chief saw was no cpr. >> the end of it what i saw was a, i believe to be a police officer removing the shirt of the individual and performing some type of life-saving, but i'm not sure what took place there. >> you don't know if cpr was performed? >> i do not know. i was told that life-saving, that they tried to save his life. >> reporter: the investigation has been handed off to the south carolina law enforcement division known as sled but without elaborating, the north charleston police department say there may be more video to examine. did any of the officers give inaccurate statements about the

aftermath of the shooting? amidst the sadness and tragedy, the possibility most certainly examined by the state agency now conducting the investigation. at the end of the news conference the north charleston mayor was asked one more question about cpr. >> not every officer is cpr certified. >> why not? >> reporter: and with that the mayor and police chief left the podium. so many questions still unanswered. >> and gary tuchman joins me now. it is remarkable. you look at that video, you know the man is shot. seems to not be moving. the officer handcuffs him and then doesn't check vital signs. doesn't do anything to aid him. he walks off to retrieve whatever it is he goes back to retrieve. what else stood out to you from this report? >> i think what's interesting, there's eight officers who put statements in this report. what's not surprising very notable, none of the eight throw officer slager off the bus.

they basically say nothing negative about him at all. if he slager mentioned to why he shot the man or performed first aid issue it's not mentioned at all. there's nothing they give about slager nothing negative about any of the officers who were near the scene and nothing extraordinarily negative about the situation. >> the other question of course that raises is was there some sort of collusion of accounts, you know because you have multiple officers saying, oh, yeah, i saw the other officer administer cpr. i helped the officer. in the video at least we don't see any cpr. >> well two guys, two of the officers of the first officer on the scene before the shooting performed cpr but doesn't say he performed cpr and you saw what the police chief said. we do not know if there was any cpr or any chest compressions. >> okay. gary i appreciate it. thank you very much. cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor sunny hostin joins me and former police officer seth sodin now an assistant law professor at the

university of south carolina. seth these discrepancies about whether cpr or first aid reported. you're a former police officer. are police in south carolina expected to require to perform cpr or other first aid in a situation like that? >> not just in south carolina. everywhere. after an officer uses force, particularly lethal force, the obligation is to render aid to the extent possible. in a lethal force situation, the officer's first aid might be the only thing that keeps a critically injured alive. first, immediately secure the scene. that's why the handcuffing is not a surprise. second absolutely render aid. >> the other thing i just want to ask you about is we see him handcuffing the, mr. scott and then walking back and picking something off the ground which he seems to drop later by mr. scott. aren't you supposed to keep everything where it is? i've asked this before but isn't

this a crime scene that needs to be nfgtinvestigated and photographed would you ever pick up something unless there was a handgun and other people who might run around and pick it up in the neighborhood but if it's a taser or something else involved in the altercation, wouldn't you be supposed to leave it there? >> typically, yes. preserving the scene is very important so that we can get a good forensic understanding of what happened. with that said remember this is only one officer on scene. the scene is a fairly open field, and the taser, if that's what was dropped, is a weapon. i can understand an officer not wanting to leave an unsecured weapon on a scene like this. you don't want someone to run along and take it, you don't want someone to come along and pick it up without any other officers present. i can't fault the officer for just going to secure the weapon. but dropping it on the ground next to mr. scott is a very odd

way of securing it. so that i find disturbing. >> yeah, to say the least. that's an understatement. there was at least one other officer on the scene at the time. sunny, i mean you look at mr. scott laying there with his hands cuffed behind his back. it's hard not to wonder if being kept in that position contributed to his death at all or hastened his death or if he was, we don't know if he was already deceased at that point because no one seems to have checked him for several minutes. >> yeah i think that's right and i think that's one of the cruel things one of many that we see on this videotape and that's why i think we're seeing this reaction not just from citizens and lawyers but also from law enforcement. i do also want to say that i think at the very least we need to give this city some support in the sense that this shooting happened on april 4th. by april 7th this officer was

fired. he has been charged with murder exposing him to either the death penalty or 30 years to life in prison. he is also being held without bond and an independent department is investigating it. so the police department there is not investigating it. an independent agency is investigating it. so all those seems to me anderson to be lessons learned from all of these police shootings that we have seen certainly, must have been a lesson learned from ferguson. so i think we're seeing a tremendous amount of transparency for perhaps after having this video exposed but there is something to be said about where we are at this point in terms of these investigations. >> seth in terms of how this incident went down and you look at that videotape, a lot of people look after seeing this videotape, it's pretty clear

what went on. there's a lot of viewers saying look, it's obvious what happened here. do you believe it's obvious what happened here or do you believe there's somehow additional information you need to know before making a judgment? >> i think the video gives us a lot of information. i don't think it gives us all of the information. the video picks up during a hand-to-hand scuffle over the taser. we don't know what happened before then. the angle of the video doesn't make it clear if there were bystanders around. there are certainly other things including the officer's statements to other officers on scene in the immediate aftermath of the shooting that i would want to know before coming to hard conclusions about the case. with that said the video is pretty damning. i don't think we can avoid acknowledging that. >> well i -- >> like any video, it has

limits. we can't draw 100% of our conclusions from it. >> sunny immaterial want you to weigh in but most people say this is the best video you're going to get of an incident like this. i'm not sure you can get a better video that shows more or that we have ever seen a video that shows more but sunny, quick response. >> i think that's true but i think the bottom line is this appears to be just an unjustified shooting. you cannot shoot under the supreme court a fleeing felon in the back under these circumstances. you cannot do it. what we are seeing certainly, in my view a crime. and i think it also lends to the position that we need to have body cameras on these officers across the country. thank goodness for the video that we have -- >> sunny -- >> -- that we can analyze. >> walter scott's mom, video's blessing even though she hasn't been able to watch the whole thing. seth we've got to take a break.

seth sunny hostin as well. we're all the way through to the 10:00 hour. we dig in deeper on michael slager's performance as a police officer over the last five years. has he been in trouble before any red flags, things people should know about? details about that ahead.

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. welcome back. as we saidslager sits in a jail cell awaiting his hearing. a few protesters came to show up outside of city hall just as the video is being examined frame by frame. so too is slager's life and work history. miguel marquez has that.