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bystander. there are a number of other videos, dash cam videos taken by the police. the question is what do they show? we may get a look at them today. >> no justice, no peace! >> days after the release of the shocking video, north charleston feeling the fallout. demonstrators gathered in front of city hall demanding the mayor resign and more officers being arrested. as the investigation into the shooting death of walter scott by officer michael slager intensifies. in the immediate aftermath of the shooting slager seen here being debriefed by another officer. described a scuffle and claimed through an attorney that the 50-year-old fought for his taser and he felt threatened. in an interview with nbc the man who shot the video said he did see the two struggling on the ground. >> before i started recording, they were down on the floor. i remember the police had control of the situation.
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>> scott's family says they first saw the video sunday. they're horrified and believe the video captures an attempt by slayinger to plant a taser close to scott's limp body. >> the policeman is supposed do protect the people. not try to frame them they're supposed to be honest people. >> slager joined the police department five years ago. and 2013 police records show he was exonerated following a complaint of improper use of force with a taser involving a black man. north charleston's mayor and police chief announced the 33-year-old accused offerser has now been terminated. but that medical benefits for his eight-month pregnant wife would continue. >> we think that is the humane thing for to us do. >> the city leaders often interrupted by demonstrator members of the public. >> no justice, no peace. >> may i make one statement? >> wanting to know whether the predominantly white force was now ready to change.
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>> we received a grant to purchase 101 body cameras. every officer that's on the street in uniform will have a body camera. >> what's interesting, alisyn is that the body camera issue is one that the police department here had considered for some time. but now in light of the tragedy that's happened in this community, it's being expedited. some would say it's too bad it hadn't been expedited before this time. alisyn? >> we can't always just rely on passersby to help account for what happened. martin thanks so much for that. you heard a small piece of what the eye witness told nbc's lester hold. feidin santana was on his way to work when he saw the confrontation escalateing. >> they were down on the floor before i started recording. and they were down on the floor.
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i remember the police had control of the situation. he had control of scott. and scott was trying just to get away from the taser. which the taser you know you can hear the sound of the taser. >> he had been tazed at that point? >> yeah. >> you heard the sound? >> yeah i heard the sound before i started recording. i believe he just wanted to get away from the taser. >> so mr. scott runs away. >> he runs away. >> what's the police officer do? >> as you can see in the video, the police officer just shot him. in the back. and i knew right away that i had something in my hands. matly you turned it over to the attorneys for the family? >> yes. >> of mr. scott. >> to the family. >> what was their reaction to you? >> well it was like i say, they were very emotional when it happened. including me also because like
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when i turned it i felt -- i felt i thought about his, their situation, if i would have a family member that would happen i would like to know the truth. >> as a result of that videotape, a man, a police officer has been charged with murder. how do you feel about that? >> well like i say, it's something that no one can feel happy about. he has his family mr. scott also has his family. but i think you know he made a bad decision. and you pay for your decisions in this life. i think like i say, mr. scott didn't deserve this. and there were another ways you know that can be used to get him arrested. and that wasn't the appropriate way to do that. >> you know this case was not made by authorities, it was made by the young man, feidin
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santana, imagine the presence of mind at that young age to see something horrible and not run away but stay there and focus on that. he did the right thing with the video and it's made all the difference. so what about the investigation? the police in the beginning, they accepted the story of the officer. he didn't have body cam on but he did have a dash cam video. what does it show? that's being reviewed now. why now? why wasn't it already reviewed and the information brought into what we know? big questions. let's talk to people who will be responsible for change. south carolina state senator marlin kimsen the co-sponsor of the bill that would require body cameras on all police officers. and north charleston city councilwoman dorothy williams. thanks to both of you, i'm sorry this the occasion of our interview, it is the matter at hand. let me ask you both starting with you, ms. williams have you ever seen anything like what was captured on that young man's video? >> in movies. never thought i would see a reality of it. but you know only on
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television. >> up until now, mr. kimsen these are the stories that we hear from the aggrieved, that people dismiss because we don't have the proof. and it's so different than what the officer described. what did that mean to you? >> well first of all, let me say what we saw flashed across the television screens across the world, was a very despicable act that i personally believe is not representative of the officers in large part in south carolina. the video was very very disturbing. and that is why i have filed a bill to require all law enforcement officers to wear wear body cameras. >> are you getting any resistance at all? or is that expected to fly through the legislature in light of this situation? >> well nothing flies through the south carolina general assembly. but i can tell you this -- since the shooting on saturday, the
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bill has garnered bipartisan support. most recently the chairman of the senate transportation committee, a republican senator larry grooms has signed on. and so our work will escalate early next week as we have called an emergency subcommittee meeting to get the bill out of subcommittee. >> we'll track that to make sure that there's progress on it or to see what happens. ms. williams back to you on this. this is such a dramatic piece of video. that it could overshadow other questions that still remain here. such as -- in the beginning, the authorities were echoing the officer's story. he had to shoot one, there was a fight over the taser. do you think there was enough suspicion of his story, seeing how on its face as he told it it didn't make sense, what reasonable fear could the officer have of his own taser, when he had already used it on the other man? do you think there was enough
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suspicion? >> yes, of course believe it or not, not many minorities believed his story from the beginning. and as the investigation was going to take place, they would have discovered that the man bass shot in the back. also the taser was connected to the back of him. so they still wouldn't to me would not have been any way he could have gotten by with what he did to mr. scott. >> does it raise a concern to you that the police department those authorities were investigating this and seemingly going down the wrong road? does it say to you the police should not investigate their own in cases like this? >> i never believed that they should investigate themselves. 99% of the time the police officers are found not guilty. it has to be someone on the
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outside of the police force that should be the one investigating the police officer, not the police investigating the police. i never believe in that. that's why i introduced a bill and brought it to my council and the mayor, to put the video and the audio in the police cars. they went along with it and we got it and i just hope that that camera was on when this took place. i don't understand why it's taking so long for us to get that video. but i hope it was on. because i requested that a couple of years back. and we finally have it in 90% of our cars. >> you should ask for that video again and let us know what their answer is to you about why it isn't released. people should have full information about this. it goes to the situation of change mr. kimpson. that's why you two are here you're local leaders, state and local level, to make a difference this time are you going to put forward a bill that
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says we need independent review immediately. because what about the other officers who were there? this video is overshadowing those other officers those who came in immediately and did not do cpr as we see on the video. what did they file as reports? what did they confirm of the officer's account? we're not hearing about that. >> well first of all, let me say that the investigation is not being conducted by the north charleston police. the investigation under south carolina law, any time a police officer, there's a police officer shooting that results in seriously bodily injury or death, the state law enforcement officials investigate. totally unconnected to the local. >> do you think that is entirely unconnected, mr. kimpson? do you think having police investigating police is the right way? >> well, listen, i'm not here to exonerate the north charleston police or the system.
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what i wanted to clarify is that the north charleston police is not in charge of the investigation. so they're a separate agency they do interact there is a lot of communication, because they have to interview. but the essence of your point is well taken. because this is a consistent narrative. not just in charleston south carolina or south carolina in whole. but it's a consistent narrative across the country. if you read the officer's statement, that is consistent with officer statements across the country. of an immediate fear of bodily harm. and that is the supreme court standard used to exonerate many officers. now, in cases where video evidence is preserved, and you reconcile that with those statements you find that they're totally inconsistent. last year we had a shooting of an unarmed citizen, african-american male pulled
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over for a seat belt violation. and if you read the highway patrolman's, officer's statement in that case you would have thought he was a hero. but when you look at the dashboard video camera it's totally inconsistent. this is an issue that we must address nationally. because i suspect it's a larger problem. >> and obviously you got a start at home if you have a culture issue there, you need to deal with it that's why the investigation of these other officers and the leadership that came out echoing that officer's story early on is just as important part of the analysis as the video from the brave young man. but ms. williams mr. kimpson, thank you so much for representing local leadership there and the desire to see things be better in the the future. appreciate it. >> thank you. you know what the questions are here the big one probably isn't the body camera it's pretty obvious -- why not have body cameras? is it just about money, they
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spend plenty of money on lots of things in government. what should investigate? what are the culture issues? how to change this? we'll keep the conversation going. we have questions out of boston as well. should dzokhar tsarnaev be put to death or locked up for life? that is the question after the boston marathon bomber was found guilty of all 30 counts against him. cnn's alexandra field is live in boston with the latest. good morning, alexandra. >> good morning, john. 11 jurors couldn't seem to look at dzokhar tsarnaev but one juror just couldn't take his eyes off of him. his life now in a jury's hands, dzokhar tsarnaev showed no emotion as a court clerk read the verdict. guilty on all 30 counts against him. survivors of the boston bombing waited nearly two years for justice. jurors handing down their decision after less than 12 hours. the chaos at the finish line witnessed firsthand by the
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city's acting mayor that day. he spoke to cnn's jake tapper after the verdict. >> i'd like to pull a switch myself. because i believe he's guilty and you know probably he should forfeit his life. but i think that feeds right into their warped sense of what they believe is important. >> in court, jurors survivors and family members, some of them moved to tears, listening in silence. dzokhar showing no sign of remorse. >> throughout the whole thing he's been -- to use my word -- arrogant walking in and out of the courtroom. and completely disinterested. >> soon the jury of seven women and five men who found tsarnaev guilty of the attacks that left four dead and hundreds injured will decide whether the defendant lives. >> and i solely speak for myself. i want the death penalty. >> rebecca gregory survived the bombing, she says there will never be closure. >> i may be standing on one fake leg, but i'm standing here
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stronger than ever because someone tried to destroy me and he failed. >> the 21-year-old's attorneys will soon fight for his life arguing he was a pawn of his older brother who masterminded the attacks. during the course of the trial, the defense has already started to try to lay the groundwork that dzokhar tsarnaev was an impressionable teenager who was struggling in school. had lost his financial aid, was appealing to keep it in order to stay in school. the defense has said they plan to talk about his family history, how he was left by his parents, they also want to make a case showing the jury some evidence of just how influential tamerlan was on his life at the time he was 19. the time of the bombings. we'll see how much of the evidence they are able to submit and show the jury when the penalty phase of the trial begins. it could start as soon as next week. >> we will obviously be watching that. thanks so much. also new this morning -- iran taking a strong stand against limiting its nuclear program.
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the iranian president says his country will not sign any deal unless all economic sanctions are lifted. the same day the agreement goes into effect. in the current framework, sanctions against iran would be gradually lifted. meanwhile in an interview with pbs. secretary of state john kerry says the u.s. is aware of the support that iran is providing the houthi rebels in yemen. and he says the u.s. will stand with those threatened by iran. the white house is calling for an end to so-called conversion therapies that make baseless claims of curing gay and transgender youth. the obama administration supporting a ban citing overwhelming scientific evidence that shows these controversial practices cause substantial harm. the white house responding to a petition signed by more than 100,000 people saying the president was moved by the suicide of a transgender teen from ohio who took her life after being subjected to these therapies. a huge water main break disrupting major subway lines here in new york city. check that out. it is not supposed to look like
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that. that station got flooded by water last night. local streets also flooded. i think it was the west village hit hardest, 1, 2 and 3 trains hit bad. 500 people had to be removed from the train underground during the evening commute. officials say the utility might have struck a water pipe causing a 12-inch pipe. >> covered the third rail. obviously very dangerous. that's the electrified one. a big challenge for those guys. on the upside the cars got clean. >> where is all the water coming from that's crazy. >> maybe it will improve the subway ride. cleaner? >> for a while. we want to get back to the south carolina police shooting. there are big discrepancyies, between the officer's police report and the eye witness video. we'll tell you what it means to the criminal case. plus south carolina the the big focus has been on what the police did. what about the family? what about walter scott's mother
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i remember the police had control of the situation. he had control of scott. and scott was trying just to get away from from the taser. >> that was feidin santana, the eye witness describing what happened the moments before he captured the deadly encounter between a south carolina police
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officer and walter scott on his cell phone. that video contradicts what police said happened. cnn has obtained the incident report. so let's look at the discrepancies. mo ivory is a radio host and attorney. and tom fuentes is a cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director. great to have both of you with us here this morning to look at the police report versus what we see on the eye witness cell phone. first, on the police report, mo it says that around 9:30 a.m. on saturday officer slager pulled over a car for a routine traffic stop. then a foot chase ensued. we don't see that on the video. for some reason there was a foot chase. the driver took off running. and the police officer gave chase. then apparently there's no description of this in the police report. but the witness says there was a struggle on the ground. there was a tussle of some kind. now, in the police report this is what happens next. the police report says that the suspect took the taser, here's what he called in to 911.
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shots fired and the subject is down. he took my taser. here's what the video shows. you don't see mr. scott with the taser, but you do see the officer dropping something that looks like the taser near mr. scott's lifeless body. what do you see in these discrepancies, mo? >> sure the first thing is let's go back to when they say they took chase. he pulls him over for a routine stop and they took chase. what happens between he pulled him over and they took chase. did he ask him to get out of the car? was there some sort of verbal disagreement between them at the car? what would have been the reason a chase would have begun. i believe there's some sort of verbal altercation we don't know about that took place between the officer and walter. >> tom, if the suspect was able to get ahold of the officer's taser, would that have justified
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anything that happened next? >> well i think, alisyn the issue there is if the officer as reported by the witness has already fired the taser, then it basically turns into a paper weight. i mean you have to reload it, put a new cartridge in set it up it's a one-and-done type apparatus. if that's been used then the taser doesn't really pose a threat to the officer. and then of course when mr. scott takes off running, if he doesn't have the taser with him or if he doesn't have any other weapon with him that's obvious, then he doesn't pose a threat to anybody else in the community, either. as a fleeing felon. you don't see him running away with a gun in his hand or a knife or some other weapon. so you know based on that and based on the appearance of the video, it certainly appears there's no justification for shooting him. >> by the way, the witness account says that during the struggle on the ground the officer was always in control. that's how the eye witness perceived it. let's look at the next
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discrepancy between the police report and what the video shows. that's about first aid and cpr. in the police report it says one of the officers who shows up next says let me read it to you, i arrive on screen and observed officer has beenersham administering first aid to the driver i exited my vehicle and assisted the officer with first aid and cpr to the driver. we continued to perform first aid and cpr until ems arrived on the scene. well -- none of that is captured on the video. now, it is possible that the video doesn't tell the whole story and that other officers arrived after what we're seeing here? but it still means that in the critical first moments, after the shooting nobody was administering cpr. >> absolutely. which is alarming. but only goes further to the kind of protection that the police officer receives from the police force, even after an event occurs because it was the police department that put this statement out that said this is what happened. without having any time to investigate.
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without knowing if it was true. what the officer was saying which really is a part of the systemic problem. the cooperation between the police department and the police officers' story and so quickly to put that out as the truth. when we can so clearly see that that was not what happened at all. so yesterday the mayor said that all police officers are not even trained in cpr. which seems alarming just as a citizen. to think you can actually take someone's life but you cannot save it. >> tom, how do you explain the discrepancy with the cpr? >> we don't see the entire tape. we don't know if at a later time somebody does. but second of all, having been a street police officer, oftentimes you worry about doing more harm. so if they came up and see that you have a body that's been shot several times, in this case there were reports that one of the bullets was through the heart, so cpr can actually do more damage than good. >> then why would the police officer write in the incident report -- >> because we don't know -- we
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don't know when the filming of the video stops, we don't know when more officers arrived, that somebody doesn't start it. >> of course you're right, the point is it didn't happen in the first two minutes. the video lasts two minutes, it didn't happen in those critical first moments of the injury. >> yes, we know that it didn't happen right away. and obviously there's discrepancies in the report. i'd like to add that this officer would not be in custody charged with murder were it not for this video. however, his story would have unravelled over time with the work of the forensic investigators, with the work of especially the state police now are handling the investigation by by south carolina law. and the fbi conducting a parallel civil rights investigation. so the forensics in this case would not have backed up what the officer said as far as the entire incident. and the entire crime scene. so it would have unravelled it just would have unrachled in three days' time as it did in this case.
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>> it might have unravelled but it might not have unravelled as we have seen in many instances to the point where the officer would have been charged. unraveling would have seen five shots to the body four shots to the back whatever it would have been. yes, but we have seen in so many instances that when the police department puts together a story and there is no video, there often is no indictment of the officer. >> the video sure fast-tracked this one. >> absolutely. >> mo ivory tom fuentes, thanks so much for helping us walk through this. we have some severe weather in the heartland to tell you about. it's now moving east. we're going to tell you who needs to be on the lookout today. after tornadoes touched down wednesday. we'll have the forecast, next. i'm brian vickers, nascar® driver. i'm kevin nealon comedian. and i'm arnold palmer, professional golfer. know what we have in common? we talked to our doctors about treatment with xarelto®. me, when i had a blood clot in my leg that could have traveled to my lungs. that's why i took xarelto®, too. xarelto® is proven to treat and help reduce the risk of
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>> we ha total of eight tornadoes yesterday, six of those in kansasth and we are continuing to see the storms this morning. then they could get nasty as we go through the afternoon. already seeing storms from chicago all the way down through little rock in fact already seeing delays in chicago due to the weather. there's actually a ground stop in detroit. we have the ingredients coming together. we have very warm moist air from the south colliding with the dry air from the north. that's going to be some of the ingredients that are going to fuel the showers and storms throughout the afternoon. we have the very warm air in place, 81 in little rock. 79 in st. louis, in the much cooler air behind it. we do have a heightened risk for severe weather. we looking at the main threats being from chicago down through little rock including memphis, nashville, louisville. we're looking at the possibility of storms even in jackson, mississippi. birmingham, alabama, looking at large hail damaging winds and the possibility of isolated
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tornadoes. >> we need to keep our eye on that all day today. so the witness who recorded last week's south carolina police shooting has come forward. feidin santana was on his way to work when he saw the situation escalating. he tells nbc news that police had control of the situation before officer michael slager fatally shot walter scott. slager has now been fired from the police force, the north charleston police department has increased a previous order of police body cameras. another scandal brewing at the secret service, this time a high-ranking supervisor on administrative leave, his security clearance suspended. why? a female agent said he made unwanted sexual advances. the supervisor is named javier morales, allegedly saying he was in love with her and wanted to have sex with her. the "washington post" reports this all happened at a party celebrating morales' new assignment as the head of the louisville field office. >> a court hearing expected today for real estate heir robert durst on new drug and
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weapons charges in new orleans. durst's defense say that the new charges are a employ to give investigators in california time to prepare their murder case against him. while keeping his attorneys in the dark. california investigators are expected in new york next week to interview witnesses as they expand their investigation into durst's alleged execution-style murder of his friend susan berman. a tectonic shift in the news business that man, cbs news legend bob schieffer has announced he will retire this summer after 46 years. at cbs news he's been the host of "face the nation" for the last 24 years. schieffer made the announcement at texas christian university his alma mater. told the crowd he could not have asked for a better life or something more fun and fulfilling. one of the things i love about bob schieffer, it he looks like he enjoy it is while sees doing it and he should. >> he's doing well at it. there's no reason for him to retire right now. his sunday show is doing well.
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>> another 46 years. >> yes, 46 more. >> the sunday show since '91. he's not just been there a long time he has done the job as alisyn said he's been successful. but more importantly than that he's done the job the right way. it's hard to look in the business sometimes and say, well who are the giants, who are the giants? he's one of the giants. >> absolutely. >> congratulations to him. >> we wish him well. it is now time for cnn money now. we have chief business correspondent christine romans in the money center. christine, stocks near record highs, but wall street is not main street is it? >> no it isn't in. midst of the third longest bull market in history. only half of americans are invested in stocks 52% of americans are not in the stock market. that's includeing 401(k)s. look at the new irs numbers, they show the richest 400 taxpayers look at that nearly $336 million on average earnings
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the south carolina video highlighted the police involved and changes needed. imagine being the victim's family. walter scott, 50 father of four his family watching his cold-blooded murder and the casual way officers seemed to treat his body on the video afterwards. and yet, walter scott's mother told anderson cooper she's willing to forgive the now-fired officer who took her son's life. why?
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hear. >> so how are you holding up? >> the lord is my strength. he's helping me to hold out. >> that's what's keeping you going right now? >> yes, knowing god as my personal savior. when did you get the news about your son. >> it was saturday. >> what did you hear? what did they tell you? >> they -- really my elder son is the one that told me. i heard nothing from the police or anyone. >> and when you were told that the police were saying there had been a scuffle, that your son had fought for the taser, did that sound believable to you? >> i knew that was not true. because he know how, especially the north charleston policemen, conduct themselves he would
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never jeopardize his life. >> he would not have done something like that? >> no he would not have done it. >> so when did you learn there was a videotape? >> it was the next day. >> so when you finally saw it i can't imagine what went through your mind. >> i couldn't -- really watch the whole tape. when i saw my son running, and i saw the policeman behind him, i couldn't take it. i had to turn away. i couldn't handle it. >> knowing what you know now, that not only what happened to your son, the way it happened that it was all captured on tape and even what seems to be pictures of the policeman picking up something, maybe the taser, placing it near your son's body. what do you think about what
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happened? >> that was not right. the policemen is supposed to protect the people. not try to frame them or get out of what they've done wrong. they're supposed to be honest people. protecting us. >> ha do you want people to know about your son? >> i want them to know he was a loving son. a loving father. he cared about his family. i will no matter what happens, it will not replace my son. >> do you believe that the justice will be done? >> i believe with the policeman being arrested he's got to get
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convicted. and i believe since god moves so fast the god i serve is able. i know god will make a way. god will fix it. >> what do you think of the person who came forward with the video? >> he was there, god planned that. he's the ram in the bush. i truly believe that. >> because some people would have been scared and run away. he not only stayed he approached the police officers to get -- closer video. >> yes. >> have you been able to talk to him? >> no. >> what would you want to say to him? >> i would want to thank him for what he did. >> do you believe something like this has happened before here but nobody knows about it because there's not a videotape? >> yes. i do believe that. >> is that something you've always felt? >> well there are, i hate to say
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it but there's some dirty cops. >> i know the chief of police i understand came by a member of clergy i believe maybe the mayor came by as well. what did you feel about their visit? >> i thanked them for coming. i mean i'm supposed to be really angry and upset and raging and all that. but i can't. because of the love of god in me i can't be like that. >> you don't feel that in your heart? >> no i don't, i feel forgiveness in my heart. even for the guy that shot and killed my son. >> you feel forgiveness? >> yes, for him. yes, i do. >> wow. walter scott's family is filled with impressive people. his brother and his mother are
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both so gracious in the face of this tragedy. they're -- i'm struck by their sort of emotional tenor, they're both sort of even-keeled. and open-hearted despite what they've just lived through. >> i do not know where she finds the strength to be in a way as introspective and forgiving as she is and to hear her describe seeing the video. can you imagine watching that video of your son being gunned down? >> the down side of what it takes to bring the situation to light is exposing the family to that truth. their faith is everything for them right now. and one of the strengths of belief is what it restores in you. and forgiving for people like the scott family right now, takes the power away from those who have hurt them. instead of making it linger. but it's got to be amazingly difficult to do especially so soon. >> coy listen to her all day. we'll have more of that for you later in the program. this south carolina shooting is getting reaction from across the country right now. including several people with an eye on the white house.
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the boston bombing case now moves into the penal phase. jurors will decide if dzokhar tsarnaev should get the death pep at or life in prison. one of the big questions now is what does the conviction mean for those who lived through the attack? joining us now is dave for theier a survivor. he was just about to cross the finish line when the first bomb went off. dave is still a runner you look fast my friend thanks so much for being with us this morning, i appreciate it. >> thanks john i appreciate it. >> dave dzokhar tsarnaev guilty. 30 times guilty. for his role in these attacks almost two years ago now. when you heard news of the verdict, what's your reaction?
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>> my initial reaction is that that justice has been served. but at the top of that it doesn't replace the lives that were lost. it doesn't repair the damage to those that were severely injured that day. but it does begin to bring some closure. >> four people killed by the tsarnaev brothers more than 250 injured. you went to the trial. why did you go? what did you need? >> yes. for me i was amazed at the number of people involved. with bringing him to justice. and i got to meet a lot of the folks along the way. and it was a way to support some of the other survivors that were there. and it was a way also to say thank you to a lot of those
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folks that sacrificed so much of their time and energy. sleepless nights just i think of folks from the department of justice, folks from the fbi, state, local police the city of boston. it really was amazing how everybody came together to put all the pieces in place. >> what did you think when you were in that courtroom, looking at dzokhar tsarnaev? >> you're looking at somebody who just committed horrific and heinous acts. and you wonder how somebody can do something like that. how they can inflict damage on other people. it's very difficult to see. and i would imagine that the jury will have a very difficult time getting beyond some of the image these had to endure for that time. >> could you see how they took it looking at the images for all of those days.
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dave what do you need now? >> i think for me personally i know a lot of others we've started to move on from what had happened. you know a lot of us or several of us, that were injured that day are actually running in the marathon this year. several of us ran in the marathon last year. we've formed a very tight-knit community. a lot of these folks have become family members. very close. all of us have become. >> you suffered some hearing loss, you still have some pain in your foot from where the shrapnel hit in 2013. which i understand was your first marathon right and now you've essentially become a marathon runner. you have the haircut to prove it right there. you ran the new york marathon you ran boston last year and you're doing boston again, 11 days from now, april 20th. are you ready? >> feeling ready. we're pretty excited about it.
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the weather has been tough here. in the northeast in the last few months. so we missed a few days just for safety and not being on the roads. but a lot of us have been together over the last few weeks and i think everybody is feeling really ready for this. it's become a way for folks that are involved in our group to take back the finish line. to take back what happened on boylston street. >> you want to cross the finish line onnor own terms now. did you it last year. you're about to do it again. in 11 days. in a better time than you did ever before personal best i'm sure. ha do you think about when you cross the finish line in a race? i originally started running, really thanks to a dear friend a couple of years ago. he's battling leukemia. we had chance to talk one day, and he said why don't you just go for a run, clear your head.
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and i kept running and that turned into a 5k which turned into a half-marathon, which turned into the boston marathon in 2013. so i'm running for a reason. i run for dana farber i run for the national cml society. and i'm running for a new family of people. i'm running for a bunch of folks that can't run. that's why i'm there. >> running for folks who can't run, the dana farber challenge marathon team it's a great cause, you are a survivor. you have your life. you have won this my friend. dave fortier, thanks so much for being with us. following a lot of news this morning, let's get to it. >> i see my brother running for the last time. trying to run for his life. he just couldn't outrun the bullets. >> the policemen are supposed to protect the people. >> the president is calling it an end to conversion therapy for
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gay and transgender youth. the white house started a petition. the petition has received 120,000 signatures in just three months. 30 counts dzokhar tsarnaev found guilty in each and every one of them. >> i literally saw my sons get blown up. i want the death penalty. >> i just want to be careful we don't paint with a broad brush that somehow all of our police are bad. >> how will race and policing impact the 2016 elections? >> i was aghast at an execution that occurred without a trial. >> dr. ben carson returns to "new day." this is "new day," with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning everyone welcome back to your "new day," michaela is off and john berman joins us. this morning the man whoen ka your today the video of the deadly encounter between a south carolina police officer and an unarmed man speaking out. and what he says contradicts what the police report claimed.
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>> north charleston police wasting no time firing officer michael slager. the department making changes as the state takes over the investigation. is that enough? we begin our coverage with cnn's martin savidge in south carolina. good morning, martin. >> good morning, chris. the community remains calm here as the investigation moves forward. we're all familiar with the now-famous video taken by the bystander. the real question is what about other videos that are out there? and we know there are other videos that are out there. dash cam videos that were taken by the police. what do they show? what could they possibly tell us? we could get a glimpse of those today. >> no justice, no peace! >> days after the release of the shocking video, north charleston feeling the fallout. demonstrators gathered in front of city hall demanding the mayor resign and more officers be arrested. as the investigation into the shooting death of walter scott
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by officer michael slager intensifies. >> in the immediate aftermath of the shooting slager seen here being debriefed by another officer, described a scuffle. and claimed through an attorney that the 50-year-old fought for his taser and he felt threatened. in an interview with nbc, the man who shot the disturbing video said he did see the two struggling on the ground. >> before i started recording, they were down on the floor. i remember the police had control of the situation. >> scott's family says they first saw the video sunday. they're horrified and believe the video captures an attempt by slager to plant a taser close to scott's limp body. >> the policemen is supposed to protect the people. not try to frame them. they're supposed to be honest people. >> slager joined the police department five years ago. and in 2013 police records show he was exonerated following a complaint of improper use of force with a taser involving a
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black man. north charleston's mayor and police chief announced the 33-year-old accused officer has now been terminated. but that medical benefits for his eight-month pregnant wife would continue. >> we think that is the humane thing for us to do. >> the city leaders often interrupted by demonstrator members of the public. >> no justice, no peace. >> may i make one statement? >> wanting to know whether the predominantly white force was now ready to change. >> we received a grant to purchase 101 body cameras. every officer that's on the street in uniform will have a body camera. >> chris, it isn't just the body cameras that those who have been demonstratoring are worry about. we're talking about the officers that responded after the shooting and what aid did they render or not render?
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in their statements many of them said there was cpr, say ha was administered to walter scott. but in the video we know it doesn't really show. some people want those officers held accountable. chris? >> martin i think you're asking the absolute correct questions, the video so overpowering about what it does show. is that it's taking some attention about what we still don't understand. and one of the questions is -- whether this situation should be seen as a statement about the policing culture. in north charleston. there is some data for you about this. there's a report out there that hundreds of people have been shot at by police in the last few years. none convicted of wrongdoing. is this just because there's a lot of crime in the area? or is the truth something more disturbing? we have cnn's brian todd going through the numbers for us in north charleston. what do they show brian? >> well chris, talking to community activists and local citizens they are almost to a person telling us this is not a one-off in north charleston and it certainly a pattern in south carolina as you mentioned. the numbers bear that out.
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according to one state newspaper analysis police in south carolina have fired their weapons at 209 suspects over the past five years. some of those officers have been accused of pulling the trigger illegally. but astonishingly, there have been no convictions of officers in those 209 incidents over the past five years. we have three examples that bear out just some of the accusations of improper use of force. not just by handguns but by tasers. march, 20014, a north charleston police officer right here was sued for excessive force against a black teenager. february of 2014 a white police officer was charged with misconduct also charged with discharging a firearm into an occupied vehicle. after fatally shooting a black man in his driveway in south carolina. also in september of last year a state trooper allegedly shot and wounded an unarmed black man during a traffic stop. so again, chris, those stats are jarring enough. but you talk to people around
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here activists and people you encounter in the street and they do say that african-americans do feel targeted by the police they feel like they're profiled. we have seen this over and over again in ferguson madison and new york. and now of course we're seeing it here. >> they had specific policing issue there is in the 2008-2009 time. they made changes and that's when you started to hear about culture changes for the worst. >> it is so important to look at data in addition to how you feel. let's bring in the president of the north charleston chapter of the naacp and pastor thomas dixon. a volunteer pastor for the sommerville christian fellowship and co-founder of people united to take back our community. gentlemen, thanks so much for being here on "new day" this morning. >> thank you for having us. >> pastor i want to start with you. the way the community in north charleston has responded to this is so much more subdued really than what we've seen other incidents of police
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excessive force such as well what was considered excessive force in ferguson in statten island, new york in cleveland. how do you explain how your community is responding? >> the community has responded the way that we were built to respond. we we put out the word beginning on saturday not long after the incident. that the family and the community leaders are calling for calm. the community responded by giving us what we asked for. right along with the fact that the transparency limited transparency we have with law enforcement in the beginning allayed some of the doubts and fears and apprehensions that create hostile situations. once the video was released most of the doubt, all of the doubt was taken away. thereby nobody really had that reason to be angry any more. because of lack of communication. but that did turn over yesterday again, after the press
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conference that was called in city hall. >> i do want to show -- >> once again. >> i want to show a clip of that. this not to say that your community is not angry. there have been demonstrations and they are expressing anger. let me show you what happened while the police chief was speaking. >> any questions -- >> chief, chief, can i ask -- >> no justice, no peace. no justice, no peace! no justice, no peace! >> now mr. bryant you hear them saying no justice, no peace there is justice as much as our criminal justice system has charged this officer with murder. he is behind bars. what is the community calling for? >> the community is calling for a dialogue with the police department and information and the truth. that's what they're asking for. significantly important in this case is the fact that there's such urgency for the truth to come out. because it did come out early, it put a calming effect across
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the whole community and the town responded graciously. ultimately what they're looking for was the truth in the matter and that was indicated by the video and not only that but the citizens responded actively candidly gently and that's the way we wanted it to happen. >> pastor there's always a question after moments like this of whether or not this is just a tragic isolated incident or whether or not it's indicative of a larger pattern of abuse. what do you believe and know about the north charleston police department? >> i could speak specifically to the north charleston police department. this is a systemic problem that's been ongoing in the state of south carolina and across the nation. the voice of the minorities and the black american in particular have not been listened to when we've complained about the situation. we've been more or less pushed off and discarded as what we're saying is about how we feel. has been not included in the dialogue or the setting of
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policy and procedure. because of that because of our feelings not being included in that we've had situations where we've, we've been subjected too undue punishment that doesn't have to happen. >> such as? >> all we want to do is be heard and believed. >> i do want to get to what exactly you mean. what hasn't been represented in your voice? where do you want to be more included? >> well the primary place of inclusion in this situation, in police involvement would be at the table with police departments, and the mayor, the mayors throughout the nation. here in north charleston that's where we're going to do. we're going to sit down with them and we're going to talk to them about how we feel and this time we're going to demand that our feelings be respected and not policies and procedures continue to be set by policing but by policemen and our elected officials, that don't include
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how we feel in it. basically, we've had a bunch of people who have said -- we really don't care how you feel. even though you are the ones that selected us elected us and pay our salaries. no longer will we allow that to happen. and that's where the change will happen. once we are considered by the people who now make the policies and procedures. >> mr. bryant i know you've said you're not satisfied solely with the police officer being charged with murder. yesterday the police announced that they will work to put body cameras on police officers. will that help? >> yes, of course it will help. anything that will help okay. we're particularly interested in issues and things that would make sure that it goes on around the nation as well. things are calm in north charleston because of the fact that the urgency and quickness much information that came out put everything to doubt. with that video. that truth was shown. it was shown there the family
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had asked for that they requested that that they get the truth and they got the truth and therefore at the same time while we had many conversations with the police department and had many police forms here in north charleston. at the top of the chain we've had the trickle-down effect. we've had discussion meeting with the police chief. but that information is likely and slowly does not get down to the bottom level at the street level where people are being stopped, harassed searched. without profile and being treated the way they are. it needs to change. >> mr. bryant pastor dixon, we here your frustration and we hope somehow the silver lining is there's an opportunity for change in your community. thanks so much for being on "new day." >> thank you. let's get over to john. >> the white house is calling for an end to a controversial therapy that claims to turn gay people straight. the obama administration calls so-called conversion therapy, they say it can cause substantial harm to gay and transgender youth.
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cnn white house correspondent michelle kosinski with more. good morning. >> this all came about because an ohio teenager who identified as female in december killed herself after her parents took her to this so-called conversion therapy that tries to change the gender identity. often used on young people. so that then sparked an online petition on white house.gov, garnered more than 100,000 signatures. asking for a national law to ban this kind of therapy. now the white house has weighed in in a big way. agreeing with these people. saying that this kind of therapy could be potentially devastating. it was a white house senior adviser, valerie jarrett, who wrote the response online saying overwhelming medical scientific evidence demonstrates that conversion therapy, especially practiced on young people is neither medically nor ethically appropriate and can cause substantial harm. the white house has taken steps
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to try to increase equality for people who are transgendered, lesbian and gay and bisexual. they've made it public the things they want to do things wb the federal government. but to ban the therapy nationwide would require congress so what they did in the response to this petition was to say, we support states who take these steps. and some states have banned conversion therapy, including california new jersey and d.c. back to you guys. >> michelle thank you very much. in other news the boston bomber could learn his punishment as early as next week. jury wednesday found the 21-year-old guilty on all charges. 30 federal crimes in the boston marathon bombing case. the defendants seemed emotionless as the guilty verdicts rang out one by one. the jury now, though has what is arguably a more difficult task. whether or not the boston bomber should get the death penalty or life in prison. the white house could announce plans to remove cuba
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from the list of state sponsors of terrorism as early as today. the state department making the recommendation and the white house poised to accept it. though congress could try to block that move. the president may seek cuban president this week when the pair attends the summit of the americas in panama. those directv ads featuring rob lowe that you have seen 10,000 times -- they're being pulled off the air. >> what? >> hi i'm rob lowe. and i have directv. and i'm peaked in high school rob lowe and i have cable. >> also known as chris cuomo. >> the better business bureau's national advertising divisin siding with a number of complaints from cable company comcast, it rules the ads are not quite accurate. and they convey an unsupported superiority message. directv says it is appealing. >> but it's not -- >> they're not saying they aren't alter egos of rob lowe.
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>> that's okay. >> that's substantiated. >> or that a lot of people peaked in high school. >> so they're upset. >> his other ones are even better. the bad choices rob lowe. got rob tattooed on his face. i'm eating this tuna sandwich i just found on the bus. advertisers don't like it when the competition says they're better than they are in their ads? >> unsubstantiated claims unsupported superiority message. >> those words must hit home a little bit. >> a little bit. more body cameras are on the way to north charleston police is that the right first step towards making police there more honest? should independent investigations be done in every single case? also guess who's on the show dr. ben carson few men who have entered the race so far can boast the kind of devotion by followers the way this man can. he hasn't entered the race yet. but he wants to talk about what matters most to this country. is it a step closer to him
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in response to the fatal police-involved shooting in south carolina north charleston officials are pledging to outfit its entire police force with
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body cameras. the shooting was captured on cell phone video and many are questions what would have happened if that video had not surfaced. now it raises another question. many questions, in fact. should police be investigating themselves at all? joining me is indianapolis metropolitan police chief rick height. chief height attended a white house meeting on wednesday on the issue of improving accountability in police practices, such an important subject. particularly today. captain, thanks so much for many being with us. can you hear me? it's nice to see you, appreciate you being with us. let me stipulate i've spoken to police officer who is are outraged by what happened in south carolina. one told me he is an unforgivable murderer the officer who did that. that said without this video, would he have gotten away with it? he made up a story, would he have gotten away with it? >> well first of all, thank you for the opportunity. i like to make it very clear
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that by and large our police departments across the country work towards bringing about peace and civility in our community. i think it's important to have video as a tool to be able to do a couple of things. number one, look at the event, assess it look at the actions of the officer, the person in terms of looking at a profile or looking at the actions of the individuals involved in the incident. but also our training looking at how we evaluate our training whether in fact it's being used how the laws are applied. >> we don't want to condemn everyone because this guy made up a story, allegedly. but it does raise questions to a lot of people out there. which is who is watching the police officers, who is making sure after an incident like this that the cop isn't making things up? >> well i think it's important to have a parallel track here. in indianapolis we have a civilian review process, we have to be inclusive of our citizens looking at our policies and be
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transparent. honesty and trust, is consistency over time. in order to build, put chips in the bank of trust, you have to have an honest dialogue inclusive of a community at large and also be fair about it. here in indianapolis we have our prosecutors respond to many of our police action shootings, to make sure it's fair and impartial. >> independent review. in south carolina they have a system in place, essentially the state investigating the local situation. can police officers do essentially the same thing at different levels can they investigate other police officers? >> i think we have to have parallel tracks again. we have a interview process, we have the prosecutors and law enforcement. but it goes back to again having the trust and the conversation we have opportunities to communicate through conversations, we talk about strategies with our public safety director. having town hall meetings to talk about issues before they happen. so when we do have the issues we have an open dialogue and walk away with some real truths we have to be clear that we have
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fair and impartial police department we take an oath to do that. >> there's a lack of accountability in some ways before during and after as well in some parts of the country. because we don't keep national data on officer-involved shootings. does this country need to do a better job of that to understand what's going on? one of the issues that came up yesterday in washington at the white house was about the thakt we have to allow those individuals who have the expertise and technology, social scientists data scientists educators, mental health types to have a discussion with us about how we share that information, how we develop it how we store it. most importantly how we disseminate it to community. it is important to remove the mystique of policing and transparency in our country. >> what do you think we would find if we did see all that data? what does your gut tell you? i was speaking to an officer yesterday. plenty of outrage about what
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happened in south carolina. i was told there's a notion of epidemic of police shootings and he thinks that might be overblown. >> i think you'll find two things an increasing public and police encounters where violence sin is inflicted. ptsd with police officers you also see the by and large police officers do it right. i think at the end of the day, the cameras bear that out in terms of body cams. but again the national debate will continue in terms of how we again bring people in who are nontraditional. removing the mystique. >> we talk about body cameras, in some ways body cameras are an easy fix and people can lean on that as a solution when it's only part of it. are you concerned that people will focus on that and not the bigger issue? >> i think they will but i think it's a tool. we want to make sure we get a snapshot of the actions of the officer. the actions of the person. the conversation the level, the tone of the conversation. the loudness of the
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conversation. how it how it began in the first place. and you know at the end, i think we need people as police officers we should leave them with the dignity and respect when there's a basic encounter with a police officer. >> chief rick hite we appreciate your input. a lot to add to the conversation so thank you. >> chris? look who we have leer potential republican presidential contender, dr. ben carson. wildly popular among the gop faithful. what does he think about south carolina? what is does he think about the deal in iran? and is he going to enter the race? all the big questions for him right ahead.
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let's bring in dr. ben carson. there are so many people who are saying you should be president of the united states. your support numbers are growing, especially in the conservative branch of the gop. let me ask the first question are you ready to take the next step yet? >> we're still in the exploratory stage. >> what else do you need to know about yourself or about the support to make the decision to get in? >> i'm very fiscally responsible.
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>> meaning? >> meaning that i want to make sure that we have adequate finances you know not just to get in but to carry us through for quite some time. >> as you're learning about the process, are you becoming more sickened by how much money matters? >> i would prefer a situation where you didn't have to raise incredible amounts of money. because i would like virtually anybody to be able to enter the fray. not just people who are well connected and well known. >> do you believe the supreme court and the law of the land is taking us in the wrong direction in terms of how money equails speech? >> i would just prefer us to get into a situation -- it's going to require bipartisan conversation. and agreement. but i think anybody looking at this objectively realizes that we've gone off in the wrong direction. >> a man like you, who so many personally support, because of what you've shown in your life and what your beliefs are, that you have to think whether or not you can basically afford to run for president.
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>> we've been obviously very encouraged by the large, incredible numbers of people who are supporting us. and i think maybe that's a better way to do things. rather than going around and trying to cultivate relationships with big money. letting the people speak about it. >> maybe you should own it as an issue. give a broader appeal to your candidacy. >> i'll let you handle that one. >> i'd have to leave my job to run your campaign. we have to branch out to big issues on the table. south carolina you saw the video, have you ever seen anything like that? >> i was aghast looking at that. i mean -- a police officer, you know shooting down a citizen of the united states. it really doesn't matter what the color of them is it's totally irrelevant in this situation. >> it wasn't about race. >> it wasn't about race. it was about you know the abuse
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of power and position and i believe this represents an incredible opportunity for law enforcement across the country. to really condemn this kind of activity i have an opportunity to speak to law enforcement people across the nation on a regular basis. and the vast vast majority of them are extremely decent people. >> it gets clouded in situations like this especially when the bright light that's on what happened the horrible final moments is somewhat distracting from other big questions that remain doctor like what about the other officers are they being investigated? what they reported doesn't seem to line up with what we saw in the video and what the about authorities' doesn't seem to echo the events how do adress those problems? >> that's a wonderful thing for you guys in the media to do. one of the reasons that the media is the only business protected by the constitution of
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the united states is because they are supposed to be on the side of the people. and they're supposed to be the investigative and the reporting arm. >> we can reveal we can expose but leaders go first, the changes that need to be made criticizing this information for not having the other officers being held accountable yet. where's the dash cam video? should police investigate themselves at the state level when it's local? those types of changes demand leadership. they haven't happened yet. where are you on that? >> i come back to saying i appreciate the fact that the light is being shined on the situation and that's the kind of thing that will encourage the leadership to weigh in. i suspect in the long run this will be thoroughly investigated. >> would you be in favor of independent bodies being involved? >> i think having objective individuals involved in this kind of investigation is the right way to go. >> you think this is a
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reflection of a larger policing culture problem, whether if you look at south carolina one of two remaining states to fly the confederate flag or what we hear about police forces across the country, do you think there's a culture that needs to be addressed? >> i think we need to be engaged in conversations between the police and the communities, what i really have found very encouraging, as i've traveled around the country is the whole concept of community policing. getting police involved early on. regular parts of the community. so that the first encounter that young man has with a policeman is not a hostile encounter. this is officer joe, who i know. that's the kind of thing that's going to make a huge difference in our country. >> you know what it's like to grow up in a place where the relationship with the officers is suboptimal. do you understand and should you give voice as someone of color especially and a leader. to that frustration, that hostility. that except for cases like this
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rare cases like this where you have a video showing, often the victims get doubted, the victims get blamed. even here i can't tell you how many people are mentioning that mr. walter scott owed child support. do you give voice to that? should you? >> we should give voice to both sides, we should look at things objectively. as i stated yesterday in the conference the police have to look at the shortcomings in the law enforcement agency and if there sun fairness is unfairness we must be willing to recognize it and recognize there are people who don't follow the law and engage in thuggish behavior. we can't make them into heroes either. there's give and take on both sides, objectivity is the real answer. and in order to get there, we have to be able to sit down at at table and have an intelligent conversation rather than getting to our respective
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corners and demonizing each other. >> when you look at that situation, you don't see it being a problem that needs a solution you don't see there's a culture of policing in this country that needs to change especially with respect to minorities? >> as i said there are problems there are problems on both sides. and the only way we're going to solve those problems is to sit down and talk about them and create the relationships, relationships are key to resolution of problems. >> let's look now foreign. iran on the table. probably the biggest nexus issue that we have in the united states. you had said hey this is a little bit like obama administration kair-- obamacare, we're not going to know what the agreement is until we pass it it's a framework, we know we don't know the details yet. is that a fair criticism? >> this is an credibly important thing. and there's a reason we have a government that's structured the way it is.
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we have a republic government a representative government. something that has this much of an implication on the future of our nation our representatives need to be involved. for the executive branch just to decide we're going to do this our way, we don't care that much what you guys have to say, really is a slap in the face to the founders of this nation and to the way our government is set up. >> it would be is it true? the white house says they've had hundreds of meetings they've had more discourse with members of congress on this than they have a lot of other similar situations and this has been turned into a political football whether it's saying this is a bad deal we shouldn't do a deal or do a different deal with no alternative mention by anybody else or to do what you did, saying it's like obamacare, we're not going to know what it is until it passes. >> i think we should have a situation where both sides agree that there's been adequate conversation. with both sides don't agree then
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obviously we're not doing it the right way. >> have you heard of a better plan than the one that's on the table right now? >> the important thing is what do we do with an agreement. we sit down together we come up with an agreement that is satisfactory and then we make sure that it is enforced. it doesn't do any good for instance to have an agreement that says we're going to have unfettered inspections. with no notice any time anywhere. and then we say we want to have an inspection and we have this group that we want to bring in and they say, i don't think we want that particular group. if that's not happening -- >> that is what's happening. >> that's what they say. if in fact that is true and it is verifiable by all the parties in our government and they all are satisfied that that's happening, i think it's a good agreement.
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>> because it's so important don't you think we don't falsely create bases of sis suspicion when there isn't one. the iranians say they want all the sanctions let up right away in order to give them what they want them being the p5+1 that's why i'm asking those questions. one other topic for you here dr. carson. leadership. leadership as president of the united states. as president of the united states do you understand that you wouldn't be able to duck issues just because they make you uncomfortable, you don't do well on them. you understand that? >> which issues in particular? >> well it depends, let's say you say you don't want to talk about gay issues any more. that the liberal media bring it is up only when you're getting momentum. which i think is unfair in the situation the interview we did but that's a very important issue to the development of an american culture, you couldn't duck it as president, could you? >> well let me put it this way, it seems to be a topic a person's sexual orientation that is of fair amount of concern to you. i don't find it to be anywhere
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near as interesting. think it's a personal issue. and we ought to leave it as a personal issue. i respect the lgbt community. i respect the traditional marriage community. i think that's enough to be said about it. leave it to the personal issues to the personal people. >> it would be if it were a balanced playing field. the problem is you have the lgbd community feeling they're being discriminated unfairly as a class and we have a culture shift going on within the justice system. we know the big case coming up the windsor case gets extended in gay marriage and that's what fuelled the rfra laws creating a legal backstop. >> you know what i would like to see? >> please. >> i would like to see as much emphasis on the rights of christians and people who are members of the faith community, as there is to some of the other groups. >> who gets more protection?
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christians or lgbt under the law? >> as i said i would like to see a much greater conversation about christians and their rights why are we not talking about that? >> i think we are right now, doctor. the lgbt community gets far less legal protection under the constitution as you know than christians. >> not as i know. >> how do you not know that? a protected class includes religion not lgbt. >> the important thing is for as you as a nation to recognize that all citizens of the united states are protected by our constitution. we need to stop deciding that one group versus another group is the flavor of the day and we need to do things that provide for justice and liberty for everybody. that's the way our constitution was written. >> i think everybody would agree with thatle. the question is -- >> they might agree with it but
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that's not where the emphasis is. >> that's the only point i'm trying to bring out of you here is where you don't see that happening. because this idea that christians are under assault. i don't understand that under law right now. they're a protected class under the constitution, they get equal protection. lgbt is not. that's why they're vulnerable to laws like the rfra law. >> i have a suggestion for you. >> yes, sir. >> why don't you have an hour-long program on cnn, and bring in some christian leaders, bring in whatever other groups you want to bring in and let's talk about it with facts, with numbers. with clear-cut examples. rather than just make statements. one last question. the white house just came out about conversion therapy. saying they don't think it should happen, they don't think it works, based on studies. and it should stop. your position? >> my position is that kind of
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thing should be left to therapists and to individuals. >> you think it could work? >> i don't think it's anybody else's business. >> but either it could work or not. >> as i said i don't think it's anybody else's business. >> you don't see it as a danger? >> i think it's their business. >> all right. dr. carson thank you very much for coming back on the show. these issues matter that's why we talk to you about them. and we appreciate you taking the opportunity. john? boston bomber dzokhar tsarnaev found guilty on all 30 counts against him. now the next step the jury will decide whether he will live or get the death penalty. our experts weigh in. ♪ ah, push it. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ push it. ♪ ♪ p...push it real good! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ow! ♪ ♪ oooh baby baby...baby baby. ♪ if you're salt-n-pepa, you tell people to push it. ♪ push it real good. ♪ it's what you do. ♪ ah. push it. ♪
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it's not a day to celebrate. i guess you could call it a bittersweet victory. not out there cheering for what happened. but i'm satisfied. >> that was one of stoke stock's victims, officer dick donohue reflecting on tsarnaev being found guilty on all 30 counts. the jury must decide if he gets life in prison or death.
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joining us juliette kayyem soirn national security analyst and former assistant secretary for the department of homeland secured and mel robbins, legal analyst. it's great to have both of you proud bostonians here with us. mel, i want to start with you, the verdict was not a surprise it was expected that he would be found guilty. what happened in boston when the word went out that he was found guilty on all 30 counts? >> well it was interesting, i was in my car when the verdict was read and every single news station can you switch the dial to was in unison. it was not unexpected but there was a very kind of somber holding on to every word as the verdict was read. and i do think there was a collect ive collective sigh of relief as we heard all 30 counts come down and knew that the victims had stood strong. that the families had stood strong.
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that the justice system had stood strong and now we're bracing for what's going to happen next. because it trurly is about the sentencing phase, alisyn. >> juliette there's this curious paradox, that happens often in death penalty cases where you believe that the convict wants to be a martyr. then the jurors think maybe to punish him more we should not give him the death penalty, we should let him rot in jail. do you think that that calculation is in the minds of these jurors? >> it should not be. what he wants is irrelevant to the deliberation about whether they will impose death. just from a legal matter. i take issue with the notion just as a national security expert with the notion that he wants to die and be a martyr. in fact in counterterrorism what he did was typical of someone who doesn't want to die. he puts that bombs down they try to hide, they try to escape. they were not suicide bombers. the only evidence we have of his
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desire to die is probably when he thought he was going to die, which was in the boat on that friday. so the idea we know what he wants is both irrelevant and i think we might be erroneous. the jury has to look at the facts and decide. >> such interesting facts. mel, bostonians in large part do not believe in the death penalty. let me put up a poll that was taken by wbur radio there. this was just two weeks ago, 62% of the respondants believe he should get life in prison. only 227% believe7% believe he should get the death penalty. the "boston globe" says for juror who is believe excuse should be reserved for the worst criminals, the lawyers laid out a clear path to conclude that dzokhar wasn't even the worst of the tsarnaevs. >> it only matters what the 12 jurors think in this case and
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what they vote if there ever was a case where bostonians and massachusetts residents who are in the majority against the death penalty would vote for the death penalty, it would be this case. and there are people like me that don't believe in it for cost reasons, humanity reasons, legal reasons, then i was sitting yesterday in a store and talking to somebody about this case and a woman turned to me and just glared at me and said were you there? i hope he dies. i wish we could stone him to death. and so you do have people in this state that have on one side a very measured approach and a philosophical approach about the death penalty, like myself and you have people that are extremely emotional and want retribution and want a punishment that involves death. but it only matters what those 12 jurors are going to decide alisyn. >> julia, do we know how those 12 jurors are leaning? >> no. all we know is that they would be willing to impose the death
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penalty, otherwise they wouldn't have been seated in the original jury. that was part of the voir dire process. picking up on what mel said. we're going to get to the more emotional, more contentious, more controversial stage. i think we can't say it enough how remarkable it is that this case took place in a federal district court, you know just like every other criminal case. we've done a great job in demystifying terrorism in bringing dzhokhar down to earth. i think it's important to say that because the national security circles there's a lot of questions about whether there should be military courts u.s. courts i think that boston and that court and the lawyers, all of them proved that our justice system can handle this. >> such a great point. boston proved this can work in a regular court. juliette mel, thanks to coming from us from boston. obviously we will wait to see what the jury decides. thanks so much ladies. let's get over to chris. alisyn the man who captured
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the south carolina police officer caught on camera fatally shooting an unarmed blackman has been fired. that police department is now making sweeping changes, they
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we just want to get away of the taser. >> i was sickened by what i saw. >> what would have happened if there wasn't a video released? >> no matter what happens, it will not replace my son. >> iranian warships are moving off the coast of yemen. >> we're well aware that iran has moved to yemen. >> 30 counts found guilty in each and every one of them. >> i may be standing on one fake leg but i'm standing here stronger than ever. this is "new day" with chris comeau alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning, welcome to your "new day" this thursday april 9th. 8:00 in the east. michaela is off. john berman is joining us. >> great to be here. >> we have new information about the south carolina copp and the
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man he pulled over. what happened before the shooting. this coming from the man that did take the video that completely changed this case. >> the north charleston police department taking swift action firing officer michael slager as he faces murder charges and making further changes to the department. we begin our coverage with cnn's martin savidge in south carolina. good morning, martin. >> reporter: good morning. you know by now all of us are familiar with that horrific video that was taken by of the -- by a bystander of the shooting that had taken place. what many may not realize is that there are a number of other videos out there still. these are police videos dash cams and the real question is what do they show and tell? we could learn more today. >> no justice. >> no peace. >> days after the release of this shocking video, north charleston now feeling the fallout. >> black lives matter. >> reporter: demonstrators gather in front of city hall demanlting the mayor resign and more officers be arrested as the
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investigation into the shooting death of walter scott by michael slager intensifies. >> [ bleep ]. >> reporter: in the immediate aftermath of the shooting slager seen here being debriefed by another officer described a scuffle and claimed through an attorney that the 50-year-old fought for his taser and he felt threatened. in an interview, the man who shot the disturbing video say he did see the two struggling on the ground. >> i started recording and they went down on the floor. i remember the police had control of the situation. >> reporter: scott's family said they first saw the video sunday. they're horrified and believe the video captures an attempt by slager to plant a taser close to scott's limp body. >> the police are supposed to protect the people not try to frame them. they supposed to be honest people. >> reporter: slager joined the police department five years ago. in 2013 police records show he was exonerated following a
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complaint of improper use of force with a taser involving a blackman. north charleston's mayor and police chief announced the 33-year-old accused officer has been terminated but that medical benefits for his eight-month pregnant wife would continue. >> we think that is the humane thing for us to do. >> reporter: the city leaders often interrupted by demonstrators, members of the public. >> no justice. >> no peace. >> may i make one statement? >> reporter: wanting to know whether the predominantly white force was now ready to change. >> we received a grant to purchase 101 body cameras. [ applause ] >> every officer that's on the street in uniform will have a body camera. >> reporter: there's a growing group of people that are beginning to say, look it's going to take more than just body cameras to change this police force and there is also a growing sentiment, it's a question really. what about the other officers
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those officers that responded in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. in the statements they gave it doesn't match what apparently we saw on the video and as a result of that many find that troubling. alisyn. >> yes, is it a department-wide culture that needs to be fixed? they are looking at all of that this morning as you said martin. thanks so much for that. you heard a small piece of what the eye witness to the shooting told nbc's lester holt. here is more of what he saw in his own words. >> one minute you're walking to work the next minute eight shots are fired. you must have been scared. >> yes. i still are. i'm still scared. >> you're still scared? >> yes. >> and yet you maintained your composure enough to keep videotaping this. >> yes. >> there's a moment on your cell phone video immediately after officer slager stops firing it appears to me that he looks directly at you. i'm going to run this tape and
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just watch that instant. he fires the eight shots and then he looks right over. do you think he was looking at you? >> yes. definitely. before -- before -- like i record the video so maybe that he felt that he can feel that someone is there, you know? like i say, it was on the spot. there were three of us at that moment and, like i say, i didn't -- i couldn't tell what was going to happen. >> the young man on the "today" show this morning, and it was brave for him to stay there. and he was obviously afraid for his life after this because of the potential danger. so what will it all mean now? let's bring in republican congressman and former governor of south carolina mr. mark sanford. thank you very much for joining us. the big question as horrible as the video is as damning as it is in the instant situation, is it a reflection of an overall
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problem of police culture in north charleston and maybe in all of south carolina? >> no, i don't believe so. and i think what we're dealing with here is a far cry from what we saw in ferguson or other places. i think that the local response has been swift to the credit of the committee. the solicitor's action has been swift. i mean to have a video come out on and immediately murder charges filed says a lot about i think the culture down here. is it perfect? no. but i think in no way should one recording be an indictment on an entire force or an entire community. >> let's test the proposition a little bit, congressman, because of course when you have a video like this come out it's going to spur quick action. what else do you need? however, if you look at what happened starting with saturday okay? this officer puts out his statement through his lawyer that's expected but the authorities echo it saying he needed the one shot because the guy went for his taser. that alone is unusually
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suspicious congressman. and i'm sure you recognize that. we both know how a taser works. we know what the level of reasonable fear of injury is. once you tase somebody the taser can't be used on the officer yet there wasn't suspiciousness at that point. does that concern you? >> well we don't know that there was suspiciousness or not. in other words, i think in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy people react as best they can. it is by south carolina law, and i give this as a credit to the state, that an outside investigation has to be done on any police shooting in this case it will be done by what's called s.l.e.d. south carolina law enforcement division. all of those things were concurrently beginning at that very moment so you know in the immediate aftermath, you know the police force backed the local policeman, yes. in the absence of any other evidence but evidence was going to be on the way based on a state law that required s.l.e.d. to do app investigation. >> again, not a subtle
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situation. a man has several gunshot wounds in his back you're afraid of a taser that couldn't have hurt you. you say you only took one shot. it does raise the issue of -- i get what s.l.e.d. is. i get that it's a state department not a city one. >> i'm not saying that i in any way endorse what happened. >> of course not, i understand. >> and believe this particular officer. i'm just saying it's dangerous for folks to look at one video and then to make interpretation as to an entire force or an entire community. >> absolutely understood. that's why i'm not talking about the video, i'm talking about outside elements. >> hello? >> can you hear me congressman? do we still have the congressman? >> hello? hello? >> never a good indication. we lost him. we're going to try to get the congressman back. we'll continue the conversation and we'll talk to him about the big issues about whether or not this investigation was going the right way, should it change and body cameras. while we're trying to get the congressman back give us some questions on twitter or on "new
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day" and we'll continue the conversation. john. the boston bomber could learn his punishment as early as next week. 21-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev was found guilty of all charges against him and now jurors they will be tasked with figuring out if it should be life in prison or whether he should face the death penalty. for the latest let's get to cnn's alexander andandra field in boston. >> reporter: good morning, john. it took almost half an hour to read the verdict. he was outwardly expressionless seemingly emotionless looking at almost no one but the attorney standing by his side. his life now in a jury's hands. dzhokhar tsarnaev showed no emotion as a court clerk read the verdict. guilty on all 30 counts against him. survivors of the boston bombing waited nearly two years for justice. jurors handing down their decision after less than 12
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hours. the chaos at the finish line witnessed firsthand by the city's acting mayor that day. he spoke to cnn's jake tapper after the verdict. >> i'd like to pull the switch myself because i believe he's guilty and, you know probably he should forfeit his life but i think that feeds right into their warped sense of what they believe is important. >> reporter: in court, jurors, survivors, and family members, some of them moved to tears listening in silence. dzhokhar showing no sign of remorse. >> throughout this whole thing he's been to use my words, arrogant walking in and out of the courtroom and completely disinterested. >> reporter: soon the jury of seven women and five men who found tsarnaev guilty of the attacks that left four dead and hundreds injured will decide whether the defendant lives. >> i want the death penalty. >> reporter: rebecca gregory survived the bombing.
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she says there will never be closure. >> i may be standing on one fake leg, but i'm standing here stronger than ever because someone tried to destroy me and he failed. >> reporter: the 21-year-old's attorneys will soon fight for his life arguing he was a pawn of his older brother who master minded the attacks. all things considered the verdict in this case came relatively quickly with the jury reaching consensus in under 12 hours. the next phase could be complicated. that is when the jurors consider the death penalty. they spent weeks and weeks trying to put this jury together. they worked very hard winnowing down the pool from more than 1,000 people trying to find a panel of jurors. >> they could get a new jury probably won't. this is more complicated and difficult than it was to find him guilty. thank you very much. let's bring back congressman mark sanford. we have him again. congressman, thank you. i thought you were trying to
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duck my questions with the old i can't hear you. i know that was our communications. thank you for bearing with us and staying with us. the question we were talking about is whether or not of course this one example doesn't mean that every other example is the same thing, but in terms of how you change culture, should you have the state police investigating other police? lose him again? have you still got me congressman, or no? alisyn back to you. >> i think god is telling you something there and i would listen to that message, chris, if i were you. we do have breaking news to tell you about though. this is out of italy this morning. four people are dead after a courthouse shooting in milan. an italian news agency says a bankruptcy judge is among the dead. the gunman was facing bankruptcy charges. he was apprehended ten miles to the northeast after taking off on a motor bike. iran is sending warships off the coast.
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president rowani is calling for airstrikes. nic robertson has the very latest. good morning, nic. >> reporter: we've heard reuters quoting the supreme leader of iran. he's gone beyond what the president is saying. he's saying civilians are being killed by the saudi led airstrikes. they should stop. because civilians are being killed this amounts to genocide. he said genocide is a war crime, they should be tried by the international criminal tribunal. he went on to say that saudi arabia will not win. what's happening here very simply put is that while the fighting continues and escalates inside yemen, the rhetoric around the country is escalating. both u.s. secretary of state john kerry, the saudis and the yemeni foreign minister have all said that they are fully aware that the houthis are getting resupplied have been getting resupplied by planes from iran. secretary kerry has said that
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the united states will not stand by while iran tries to expand and exert its influence in the region here. the message from the saudi spokesman leading the coalition here who said that those iranian warships that are moving into the gulf of aiden off of the coast of yemen, as long as they're in international waters they're okay. the territorial waters of yemen remain under saudi-led coalition control and to come in there would be to violate that. so you're getting a real escalation of regional rhetoric around this fire -- war that is growing inside yemen. chris. >> nic, thank you very much for the latest on that. lighter sports news for you. the first round of the masters, big deal in the sports world underway. tiger woods, first return to action for the first time in two months right? >> yeah. >> not the favorite this year that's for sure. we do have our favorite andy scholes, with this morning's bleacher report. how do you see them lining up? >> you know chris, it could go a number of ways. a lot of guys playing well.
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rory mcilroy the favorite. he's trying to win his third straight major going for what people are calling the rory slant tiger on the other hand his odds 20 to 1. we would like to see tiger finish the tournament. tiger played in the par 3 contest and he had his daughter sam, son charlie and girlfriend lindsay vonn tagging along. he nearly gets the hole in 1. rolls past the hole. tiger wanted that to drop. he would let his daughter putt that one in. that actually disqualified him from the contest. jack nicklaus didn't win the par 3 contest but he had the best moment of the day. on 4, the six-time master champ plays it perfectly. backspin it's on target and it's going to roll in for the hole in 1. jack even predicted he'd get a hole in 1 before the round in speaking to espn. he may be 75 years old but the
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golden bear still has it. for the first time in nfl history the nfl will have a full-time tee mail referee. she's been officiating college games since 2007. the 42-year-old said she doesn't consider herself a trail blazer she's just doing what she loves to do. whether she considers it or not, she is a trail blazer pioneer. first woman official in college football and now the first woman official in the nfl. congrats to her. they have 15 females working their way in the development program. she might not be alone. there might be more female officials. >> john gave me a look that there was a chance for you. >> this whole "new day" thing. it's on sunday too. you could do both. >> ask chris, i am not really qualified to be a sports anything. >> you love judging people. >> i do. that part i would like meeting out the justice. >> that's right. talking about unnecessary roughness. >> whatever that means. >> that was a double entendre.
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>> thanks so much andy for that. back to our top story. the south carolina police shooting big discrepancies between the officers' police report the official report and the eye witness video. we will compare those accounts and look at what they mean to the criminal case. plus we're going to speak to the boston official who was near the finish line when the bombs went off during the ill fated marathon. he'll tell us his reaction to the verdict. what is justice?
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i was thinking with this information i might be in danger. i thought about erasing the video and just getting out of the community of north charleston and living someplace else. >> that was fayden santana. this is bringing new attention to the video.
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what do the discrepancies say about the case. let's bring in mark garagos and van jones. gentleman, great to have both of you here to help us try to understand what we see in the video and why it does not jibe with what the police incident report was. the video, let's start with that. mark i want to start with you because i want the legal perspective on this first. the video makes a very compelling case against the police officer but, of course it's not the whole story. something happened before that cell phone was turned on and the eye witness says that there was a struggle on the ground. there was a struggle that involved a stun gun, a laser -- a taser, i should say. here is what the officer called in to 911. listen to this. >> dispatch shots fired. subject is down. he grabbed my taser. >> [ bleep ]. >> 523, shots fired.
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he grabbed your taser. subject is down. >> okay. mark, if there was a struggle on the ground as the eye witness has said if there was some sort of confusion about who had the taser, would any of that have justified what we saw next in the video where the deadly force is used? >> my position would be no it would not justify it however, you've hit exactly where his lawyer is going to go. his lawyer's going to say, what you don't see in the video is what provoked all of this that there was an attack that he was responding to the attack because he's got to show shoehorn in this fleeing felon defense. remember something, if there was no video, and until this video came about on monday this officer had not been charged with anything. this case had been reported as hundreds of cases are all the time where the officer, it's
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almost as if there's a script. the officer feared for his safety. the officer struggled with the suspect for the weapon and the officer fired and, you know in this case the report even said the officer administered cpr, which obviously did not happen. all of those things are the standard police response in a use of deadly force. will they be successful in this case? well there's been such a public outcry that i doubt it but that's exactly where they're going with the defense in this case and that's what the police always do whenever there's a use of force. >> van, you're shaking your head. >> well it's very true. you know unfortunately, i spent ten years of my life i'm an attorney as well. i was licensed by the state bar association of california to run a lawyer referral service for people who thought their rights might have been violated by the police. i'm actually very much aware of this particular pattern. one of the things i think people don't understand is that most of the time a police report is
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absolutely reliable and authoritative because there's no conflict of interest so a young reporter like i used to be you'd go down to the police station, get the police blaut erotter, you can say the police report said there was a burglar ri. the problem is when you have a use of force by the police, the police report transforms. it becomes a self-exonerating document. you have two kids in a fight. only one kid gets to write the report. one kid started the fight and i did nothing wrong. we now sthaep as if it is a normal police report. it is absolutely the case that there is a script. the magic get out of jail free card is to say, i was in fear for my life. you look at every one of these cases, it is literally the same language. why? because in our court system if a police officer says i was in fear for my life that is basically a get out of jail free card. we in the media have to stop
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reporting on police reports from use of force cases as if it were a normal police report. these are not normal police reports. they're usually written by attorneys. most officers thankfully they do have the right to get counsel before because they should not be forced to self-incriminate. we should be much more discriminating about these police reports. >> mark help us understand the michael brown case versus this one. why what happened in the police officer's car, in the michael brown case that scuffle that happened where there was an argument over the gun, why that ended up justifying what happened minutes later outside of the car feet away and why in this case if there was a scuffle over a weapon it doesn't justify what happened minutes later feet away? >> one simple thing, there's a videotape so you can't just accept the officer's story as everybody wants to do. one of the things van talks
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about, absent a videotape nobody is going to touch the third rail of law enforcement and challenge what the law enforcement is. the politicians certainly aren't because they need law enforcement when they run for re-election. the judges certainly aren't because they need the same thing. here in california we have elected -- all judges stand for election even if you're appointed afterwards. so the only thing that will ever get in the way of the freight train that is law enforcement that you just let -- they get a free pass so to speak, the only thing that gets in the way is if there's a videotape. so you can't have this narrative that gets created after the fact. all you have to do is take a look at the police report and see that it's completely at odds with the reality of the tape. that is what always happens when the videotape comes up. i've got another case now, similar case where the officers have testified one way. i've got a videotape, they don't
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know it and i will spring it on them at trial and then watch them try to explain their way out of it. >> van, there's another discrepancy. go ahead. you want to make a point about that? >> well i was going to point out something about the lack of cpr. >> yes. >> people say, one officer, one bad situation, don't judge the whole department. listen in an ordinary situation you would expect someone just got shot you would expect to see the police scrambling doing everything they can to save this man's life. there is no effort at all on the part of the officers there to save this man's life and i think that is something that speaks to a bigger problem. >> in fact i'm so glad you brought that up. that is the other discrepancy. this is the testimony of a different officer, i arrived on the scene and observed officer habersham was administering first aid to the driver. i exited my vehicle and assisted
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officer habersham administering cpr. >> that is so awful. >> the officer just created a completely false narrative but for the video tape you'd never know it. >> van, it's possible they administered cpr later. >> that's part of the problem. >> well listen but part of the problem is you begin to have a whole culture of impunity around these incidents. everybody begins to act in ways that are, frankly, not lawful not professional not acceptable because -- and that's how you know you're not just dealing with one bad officer, you're dealing with a whole culture around these shootings. and so you know for me i think a lot of people were surprised that he's sauntering over there. there doesn't seem to be any urgency around saving the man's life. this wasn't some you know axe murderer terrorist, this was someone who was pulled over for a brake light. >> yeah. >> the police officer is not beaden to a bloody pulp. there's no reason not to try to save this man's life.
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there's no reason to lie about it. we have this happening all the time. >> van and mark thank for being on "new day." >> let's get to john. thanks alisyn. the boston bomber facing life in prison or execution after being found guilty on 30 accounts. what do the people who lived through the attack think should happen to dzhokhar tsarnaev? stay with us.
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we're obviously grateful for the outcome today. it's not a happy occasion but it's something that we can put, you know one more step behind us. it's been difficult, but we've gotten through it with each other. >> that was boston bombing survivor karen brassard reacting to the guilty verdict of the boston bombing trial. she said it's a step. next comes the biggest step that the judicial system can provide for justice and closure, the penalty phase. jurors deciding whether the defendant gets life in prison or the death penalty. he was there when the bombs went
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off. thank god he's still with us today. one of the things just for some context to this that -- so people understand. if they're not from boston they don't understand the marathon culture. it is like happy day in boston. everybody is there for the best of reasons, the best of circumstances. it's a jubilant environment so no one's on guard. so attack that matters even more in a way. and what does it demand as justice? >> well it's -- you're so right, chris. it's the -- the rite of spring begins in boston with the red sox opening day and marathon monday and they both kind of herald in the new season. so it is a time when people are happy and optimistic about what lies ahead. you know to re-live what happened two years ago and there for the grace of god go i. i am not a victim but i was 50
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feet from the first blast and i saw way too much stuff i had thought i would never see in my lifetime on the streets of the city i've called home my whole life. now we're in a phase where we knew he was a perpetrator. he's in my view responsible for his own actions. you can't blame the older brother. i know older brothers have an influence. and i really think it's up to the victims. there were four people killed. there were 17 people who lost limbs and over 200 that had various shrapnel wounds and injuries and i think they should say what the penalty is. >> well the jury -- >> for me personally -- >> the jury is going to decide it. what do you think personally should happen? >> personally i think he should spend the rest of his time on this planet in jail. i think that there's a -- there was a note that he scribbled in the boat before they took him
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alive out in watertown, and it was something about islam and martyrdom. i don't have the particulars of the note but if he gets the death penalty, we give him what he wants in death. we raise him to martyrdom status and i believe that engineers copy cats engenders people who want to join him in martyrdom and continue to perpetrate these horrific crimes that really are crimes against citizens you know? it's not like when we fought the revolutionary war we had our army go fight their army. now these folks, they're cowardly they come in and they attack women and children. and i was on boylston street just before the blast and i was remarking to people in my party how many strollers there were how many baby carriages there were. it was a beautiful day.
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in the mid 60s. the spring was sprung -- had sprung and, you know a few minutes later carnage. a loss of life and just -- >> you know what the other side says. these were all capital crimes and if this crime, which is unlike anything else that boston has seen in recent history certainly, doesn't deserve the death penalty, what does? what do you think the jury will do because of that? >> what does? i really don't know. you know i'm not in the -- there's two schools of thought, and you just -- you just enunciated one, i just enunciated another. either way, dzhokhar is a loser. he's either going to lose his life or he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison. i think, you know some school of thought says let's get it over with now because a year or two years from now they'll be writing human interest stories about what his days are in prison and i just don't think he's worth that at this point. you know? >> and massachusetts as a culture, the state doesn't have a death penalty. it's gone back and forth over
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the years. >> no. >> the people have been against it. they believe in life in prison without parole. one way or another, do you think after this is done and the punishment is meeted out, whatever it is do you think the city moves on? >> the city has moved on. boston strong is more than a slogan. we had a mayor at the time tom menino who gave his all to the city and, you know he and governor patrick at the time put together the one fund for the victims. the city has moved on. we have -- the red sox won a championship. they went from last place to first place. the spirit of boston was never broken and we actually gave up our freedom for a couple of days to preserve the concept of freedom back in 2013. we were ordered to shelter in place. we did so. and we got the bad guys. and as a result one was killed in the firefight out in water town another one has gone to
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trial and been found guilty on all counts and now the penalty phase. it's kind of anticlimatic. we all knew he was pleading guilty. here's the key part of it. for me i don't think we make this guy a martyr. >> i understood. a very intelligent point in a situation that rules so many by emotion. mr. murphy thank you very much for joining us. we'll know soon enough. >> thank you, chris. >> alisyn. chris, on a much lighter note he's back for another season. mike rowe joins us live to tell us about the new round of trouble he's getting into, "somebody's gotta do it." he's made himself comfortable in our greenroom. he does strike a good pose. back in a minute. why innovate for a future without accidents? why do any of it?
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time now forty-five things you need to know for your "new day." number one, the witness who recorded the fatal south carolina shooting speaks out. he says police had control of the situation before officer michael slager shot walter scott.
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slager's been fired from the force. boston bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev faces life in prison or the death penalty. he was found guilty on all 30 counts. he could find out his fate as early as next week. the secret service facing another scandal. a high-ranking administrator is on administrative leave and his security service is suspended after a female agent accused him of unwanted sexual advances. iran taking a strong stand against limiting its nuclear program. he says his country will not sign a deal unless all economic sanctions are lifted the same day the agreement goes into effect. and all eyes on augusta national. the masters has already teed off this morning. tiger woods in the field looking to regain his form. this is the first tournament he's played in since the last two months and since falling out of the top 100. for more on the five things to know go to newdaycnn.com for the very latest. chris. you know who's here with us? this guy.
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show them. micro. behind the camera soon to be in front of it? why? who knows. >> he does everything chris. >> he's handsome? >> he is. >> i want to kiss his face. >> that's not weird at all.
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. hey, hey, hey. >> wow. >> so that was mike rowe, and i don't want to give too much away but he survived barely in his attempt to wrangle that bull right there. now mike rowe of course is immensely popular himself. he's host of the immensely popular show "somebody's got to do it" which returns tonight. he's here to tell us all about his new adventures. >> i'm immensely grateful. >> i've got to say, look we do dumb things occasionally for tv. >> sure. >> sweeps and things like that. >> sure. >> but when you got in that ring with that bull i thought that was nuts. that was genuinely that bull could have killed you. >> ill advised, yeah. i mean look i'm not really
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paid to do anything with a level of confidence or expertise. >> you moved with cat-like dexterity. >> i did move with extreme prejudice, yeah. you would, too. the thing's 2200 pounds. he kind of looks at you with a calm indifference that seems to say, i have horns, you don't, and so you run but mostly we go there to do a somewhat sincere profile of the guys who night after night after night literally save the lives of the riders. rider goes off, if those three, frank, jesse, cody don't do what they do the rider's done. and so there's a very, very specific class you go through. the training is actually extensive. >> take tisch shans watching them do it. >> there are. if you played football or any kind of sport, everything is very very strategic and they take their cue not just from the bull but from each other and the rider. there's a whole thing. >> now what advice did they give you about when a 2,000 pound
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animal -- >> avoid the horns. >> -- is running towards you. >> here's the thing. in a situation like this as valuable is advice sounds it's completely useless. >> you're acting on instinct here. >> there's one prime directive in bull fighting and it's don't run away from the bull. >> oh. >> if the bull's charging you, run toward it and then do a little dosey-do. the bull is not that agile but he's much faster. >> he's taunting the bull because the bull is not here. >> that's exactly right. >> wasn't there a shot of you running away from the bull? >>alisyn. >> you're not supposed to do that. you're talking about 2,000 pounds of inertia and a lot of instinct telling you to do the opposite. that's the difference between somebody who knows what they're doing and me. >> that's beautiful. your show has been called quote, a schizophrenic hot mess and that was by you. so what exactly are you trying
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to accomplish? >> you know it is sort of a tribute to indecision in a way. i mean we have a very simple prime directive, which is don't do a second take. show people as they honestly are. and, i mean to be honest in the spirit of managing expectations we never swing for the fence. we're looking for a standup double or single because reality tv has become sort of a production. it's not very real. we try hard just to show up pay an honest tribute, learn some things have a few laughs and leave. consequently on tonight's show for instance you've got bull fighting. we also ran into a guy dressed as abe link concoln completely random in iowa. that's not where he's from there he was in starbucks, you can't ignore that. >> he's back. he's back and i'll tell you he has a lot of questions about what's going on in the country. then finally we go to humble county to meet a couple of carpenters who walked away from
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their business to make bean to bar chocolate. that turns into a whole exploration of humble county a self-contained area of northern california. a weird mix of birk kin stocks and capitalism. everybody is making stuff and selling it to one another. it's a fascinating look at manufacturing 2015. from carpentry to chocolate. schizophrenic hot mess. you can use that. >> perfect. >> just to be clear, you got hurt in the bull fighting episode here -- >> emotionally? >> it wasn't a bull that did it? >> emotionally. >> i was deeply wounded on an emotional level but i'd rather not get into that now. physically what happens to me is so depressingly predictable. i'm almost never hurt by the obvious thing. i escape the bull. 20 minutes later i'm with the cowboy loading bulls into these cages. the cages have spring loaded latches and there you saw the end of my little finger vanish.
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it explodes. the distal is gone. the nail just grew back. >> what is a distal and why do we need it? >> the distal is the last joint in the very tip of your finger and it's way more important than you think, especially when you're you know pointing at people. without a distal it hangs there. >> are you all right now? >> i'm all right now. >> he had a distalectomy. >> that's in next week's episode. >> the point is when you hurt your little finger and get a. [ audience booing ] i turned to frank and said look at this. he points to the same finger and half of which is totally gone. yeah that looked like it hurts, slugger. i'll give you a call when mine grows back. >> they have zero sympathy. you have to watch this. turn into season two of the premiere of "somebody's got to do it" tonight at 9:00 here on cnn. i will also be available on cnn go. watch it multiple times whenever
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