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behind a massive school cheating scandal and the judge today who threw the book at him. >> everybody in the education system at aps knew that cheating was going on and your client promoted it. >> we'll have more on what the judge said. but we begin with that dash cam video. police released it today. the incident happened february 19th. a suspect in several violent crimes on the run armed with a rifle and he had already threatened to use it on himself. and a shot is fired by the suspect and the police car comes screaming right at the guy. it's graphic and you'll see it from two angles including from the dash cam on the cruiser that actually hit the man. >> stay off! oh! jesus christ! man down!
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>> he's down, he's down! >> unit right there, stand off, stand off, the gun is loaded. unit -- stay off, stay off! >> jesus christ. man down. >> now, as you might imagine, with all the other stories about police using deadly force out there lately this one is raising questions. we'll bring in our panel shortly, but first, miguel marquez, joining us with all the details behind this just-released video. what do we know about what led up to this? >> the one critical bit that we don't see in the video you just showed was the gunshot that mr. miranda -- this was 36-year-old mario valencia fired off as police were telling him to put down the gun. he fired into the air, not at police but there were other police cruisers coming at it. his crime spree started at you
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have 45 in tucson. he robbed a 7-eleven about 6:45 in the morning and set fire a church. just after that, he went to a home and broke if and stole that homeowner's car, drove that car to marana just north of the city where he went to a walmart, stole a .30-.30 rifle and ammunition broke the lock off that rifle while an officer from the store was in pursuit, was walking down what police say was an area a business park and toward a business where 300 to 400 people were working and that's when the police officers said they had to take action. >> and the police chief spoke out about the incident. what'd he say? >> he's taking a pretty aggressive stance. he said we're not going to monday morning quarterback this. this was a guy who was clearly having mental issues. he had failed to follow any of the police officers' directions and here's a little more what
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the police chief had to say. >> if we're going to choose between, hmm, maybe we'll let him go a little bit farther and see what happens, or we're going to take him out now and eliminate any opportunity that he has to hurt somebody you're going to err on the side of -- in favor of the innocent people. >> the officer who ran him down was a one-year -- had been on the force there in mirana for one year. he had also served on a police force in tucson and new york city. at this point, there are no charges pending against that officer. >> the suspect, he survived. >> amazingly enough he did survive. he's facing 15 different charges. he was in the hospital for a time. he is now out. he's been seen by a judge already. his next court appearance is in may. i think may 18th. and he has a slew of charges, being held on $25,000 bail. it will be some time before he's out. his lawyer saying there was no reason for police to do this. that they didn't take into
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account his mental state and this is just as bad as shooting somebody in the back. anderson? >> miguel marquez, appreciate it. i want to bring in our panel, both former members of the new york police department. also criminal defense attorney mark geragos. harry, this is a guy who had fired off a shot into the air, clearly had a record that the officers seemed to know about. they said it was a crime spree, in the words of the chief of police. was this justified, to hit the guy with a police cruiser? >> let me tell you what's going through the officer's mind at the time this is going on. you've got a suspect that we've already went through precursor of everything that's occurred he put the weapon up to his head threatened to kill himself. we already know the guy doesn't care much about his life. we have a man walking down the street who has a weapon. the police are following. he could have dropped that weapon at any time but did not. what if that man walks into somebody maybe taking a potential hostage, maybe shoots somebody. then he fires the gun into the air. one of the officers are
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thinking what have i got to do? voupd him surround him with cars get in a possible gun battle who could get killed with bullets flying around. this officer decided the best way to take this guy out was with the car. i'm 100% behind of what he did. >> and the police department says this tactic of hitting a suspect actually may have save his life. ? >> it's easy for me to monday morning quarterback it but i have to question this tactic a bit. i think setting up a secure perimeter and at least making some attempt to negotiate may have been far more efficient. here's another angle to this. the officer who hits the suspect there also hits what looks to be a cinder block wall. so he's creating a disabling for himself too. so i think on balance, it probably would have been far better to establish at least some kind of perimeter. and like i said at least attempt to negotiate. >> mark to harry's point,
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though securing a perimeter, you risk him turning around and taking -- firing on an officer. they're not behind bulletproof glass or anything. their cars are probably in range of that pistol. what do you make of it? >> what i make of it is i can't even believe what i'm hearing. you see what this officer did. you see this windshield crash, you see him drive straight into a wall which under any other circumstance, would like fast and furious 8. this is not a police tactic this is no tactic. you hear what the other policeman says in the first camera which is don't go there, don't go there, he's got a gun. just as easily the suspect could have turned around and started firing because he sees the car approach. this makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. the officer who's coming in and hitting the brick wall he doesn't know if there's kids playing on the other side of that wall or anything else. this is insanity. >> this saved lives. he could have walked into
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anybody on that street. somebody might have come out of the house, could have shot him. forget about what this guy's mental capacity is. who cares right now, because right now, he's putting lives in danger. >> he could have -- to mark's point, he could have heard the car screeching toward him, turn around zpartand started to fire. just as he could have taken a hostage, he could have -- >> and the cop could have killed himself driving into a block wall. >> and the police officer could have been killed by shooting it out with this guy. you don't know. the officer thought that this was the best thing that he could do at the time. i'm 100% behind what this officer did. >> dan, the fact that the police officer didn't announce over the radio to the other police officers what he was going to do. to mark's point, you hear the officer on that first recording clearly surprised that this police car that -- that this cruiser that was behind him, suddenly swerved around and went right for this guy. aren't you supposed to at least inform other officers again, this is all monday morning
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quarterbacking. but aren't uh you supposed to inform other officers what you're about to do. >> it seems a little strange. it appears the initial video you showed the one officer appears to be exerciseding some amount of tactical control over the scene through his radio. and then he seems clearly frustrated that the other officer he's asking to stand down is not even -- is not talking or we don't hear him talking, and that seems to just bypass any kind of an order or a command. and you can hear the frustration in the initial officer's voice, where he says he says something like, jesus christ man down. so i don't think these tactics here would be something we'd be teaching in a police academy. >> dan, would you be arguing differently -- is there any difference between if the police had shot this guy, as he was walking down the street after he had discharged a weapon or hitting him with a cruiser? is there any difference? >> that's a great question. i'm strictly arguing the tactic.
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not the fact that the suspect had to be engaged. there's zero question from a reasonable person's point of view that this suspect presented danger of a serious personal injury or death to someone else. he had to be stopped anderson. i just don't think the tactic of hitting him with the vehicle was appropriate given the circumstances. >> but harry, is this a tactic they teach in the police academy? >> it's not a tactic they teach in the police academy. but it's the tactics you use out there. in the academy, they teach you for specific situations. all these situations are different now. they can't teach you for each and every situation -- >> so mark we know the guy who was hit was facing multiple charges. do you think he has cause to file a lawsuit? anyone can file a lawsuit, but against the police department? >> he's obviously going to file a lawsuit against the police department. whether he prevails on that is a completely different matter. but back to this idea of this
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being some kind of a tactic. not only would they never teach this in a police academy anywhere or in any kind of a police setting, but actually what they would tell you is that the first officer was narrating wlafs what was going on was doing the appropriate thing. he was the one that was approaching with caution. he was the one who was announcing that the shot was fired, he didn't fire the shot, and to approach with caution. the second guy that does the ramming. they talk about the suspect doing suicide by cop. it's almost as if this cop is trying to commit suicide. that's insanity. >> dan, haven't police tactics on active shooters changed dramatically. we've talked about this. it used to be you set up a perimeter, wait for a tactical unit wait for the s.w.a.t. to come in. now it's first officers who respond, you try -- you engage with the shooter, you deal with the shooter, because you don't want more lives to be lost or the potential for lives to be
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lost. >> yes. bingo. >> the idea before columbine, pre-columbine police tactics, uniform officers at the scene, set up a perimeter, allow for the special weapons team the s.w.a.t. teams, the emergency service team to come in and handle the problem. after columbine, police tactics changed completely. you had to bypass people who were injured to stop an active shooter right away. i'm wondering in this case if that wasn't in the back of this officer's head. i'm having a hard time understanding why he ran his car over a curb into a brick wall. >> final thoughts? >> i'll tell you, anderson. had this guy when he was dilly dallying walking down the streets and the cops not taking any action had shot and killed somebody on the street we'd be talking about, how come that officer didn't take any action earlier. >> mark stick around, there's another story i want to get you
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involved in. coming up next is that tulsa volunteer deputy who killed a suspect turns himself in. i want to get mark's take on the psychological theory that his defenders are now using to explain why he fired his revolver instead of his taser. one criminologist calls it junk science. another expert says it's a winning argument in court. we'll talk to both of them ahead and mark. and later, sentencing in what's being called one of the biggest school cheating scandals ever. we're not talking about students cheating we're talking about administrators teachers being forced to pass up to pass students along who were not getting the education they deserve, we're joined by the man who led the investigation, next. the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers.
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taser, his muscle memory made him fire. that's the theory and as you'll see shortly, not everyone buys it. whether you buy it or not, though this is not the first such incident as our randi kaye explains. >> reporter: 2009 on a train station platform in oakland, california. 22-year-old oscar grant gets into a scuffle with b.a.r.t. transit police. officer johannes mehserle and another officer try to subdue grant. at some point, officer mehserle announces, i'm going to taze him, and then fires. trouble is he didn't use his trarz. he'd mistakenly grabbed his semi-automatic handgun, firing one shot into oscar grant's back killing him. protests erupted. how could a police officer have made such a fatal error? perhaps because of something called slips and capture, a psychological stress phenomenon experts say causes a person to slip from their intended path only to be captured by a
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stronger response that takes them in a different direction. greg meyer testified for the defense at the trial of officer mehserle. >> he's mentally trying to draw his taser, which is in a cross-draw position over in front of his belt but his hand is on his side arm. so he raises himself up and then fires the one shot. and then immediately reacts you know oh, my god. >> reporter: officer mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. the jury finding he'd acted recklessly but not intentionally. >> slips and capture can happen when officers rely on old habits and when training is limited. in the b.a.r.t. case myers says the officer had only drawn his taser about ten times during training. yet had drawn his firearm about 50 times each week. plus, without enough tasers to go around the officer was using a completely different holster
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configuration every night. slips and capture has come into play before. in 2002, in madera california a suspect was shot with a gun after trying to kick out the window of a police car. the police officer said she meant to grab her taser. the suspect died. the officer was never charged. in 2008 in nicholasville, kentucky a suspect was shot when an officer tried to break up a fight with his taser, but pulled his firearm instead. the man survived. a grand jury chose not to indict the officer. in all, myers knows of ten cases in the u.s. and canada which he says involves slips and capture, all of them include what they call the strong hand. >> the hand that they normally use for their handgun is the same hand that they'd also used for their taser, because of the way the holster configurations were. >> reporter: myers sees that as a recipe for disaster and is
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working to get police departments to change the holster configuration, separating the taser from the handgun. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> as we say, not everyone buys into the slips and capture theory. joining us now, bill lewinski. he testified at the baath.a.r.t. trial and has been retained in this case. back with us also is criminal defense attorney mark geragos. phil let me start with you. we had you on the program last night. you said this whole idea of slips and capture is junk science. explain. >> well it is junk science. it's not accepted in most courts in terms of expert testimony. there's no testable theory. it's not been subject to peer review. we don't know the error rate and it's not generally accepted by the scientific community. that being said i do think there's a place for this type of psychology and that would be if it helps us to learn, if it helps us to learn what happened
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then it would be appropriate for that purpose. you know anderson the national institute of justice, which is the research arm at the department of justice, is funding research into sentinel events in the criminal justice system. sentinel events are errors systemic errors and by studying those errors we can make mistakes. so for that purpose, i do think that slips and capture might be appropriate psychology but it's not scientific evidence. >> bill do you -- you disagree clearly. to those who say, this is junk science. what do you say? >> well we can go back to literature sources like shakespeare, which includes verbal slips and captures in many of his plays. we can look at freud who refers to slips and there's been a fair amount of research on freudian psychology or over the last century, or we can look at the
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last 60 years of research that specifically looks at slips and captures captures errors in the medical world, in the aviation industry. i have a journal article we're looking at now dealing with tax taxonmy of medical errors. there's 45 categories dating back to the 1960s. so professor stinson might not be aware of the literature source which is extremely vast and literally covers thousands of journal articles. in fact -- >> let me ask phil about that. phil the so-called slips in the medical world, are they relevant? can you apply that to the policing world? >> from a standpoint of industrial psychology sblul, but the problem here is that slips and capture, in terms of it being admissible and a court of law as expert testimony,
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that's just a completely different story. and dr. lewinski's own website says his research has been published in law enforcement plxs and on websites. that just doesn't cut it. it's not been subject to peer voouf. >> but, mark, mark geragos, let me bring you into this. even if there's not science on the police side to back it up in phil's opinion, a judge can still allow slip and capture, slips and capture in a trial? it was allowed in the oscar grant shooting case. >> well phil is right in this perfectly legal sense. you have to get over a hurdle. you have to get over the hurdle. you can't just put out -- and he's using the right term which is junk science, and judges are the gatekeepers. do you allow in this or not allow in this? and you have pre-trial hearings on this. the judge will decide. is this something that's accepted in the scientific community. that's one area will the judge
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allow this in as some kind of scientific evidence. the other kind of aspect are you still going to get this? somehow made a mistake. you can always get that in through the defendant testifying. and that's generally why these cases end up with no conviction or an involuntary manslaughter because generally, especially if there's just one shot generally, juries are going to find for the dop in that case. but as a purely practical matter slip and capture is not a generally accepted form of science or accepted in the courts on any general basis. >> bill just the other day i was practicing taking a gun out of a police holster. and what i hadn't -- with the police department. what i hadn't realized there are safety mechanisms built into the holster. you can't just pull a gun out of a holster. there are different things, different holsters have different mechanisms. some you have to push the gun
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forward in order to pull out. some you have to push and twist down. is the same safety mechanisms it into a taser holster? do you know? and are they the same built for a gun holster? i think that would be one way in the future to avoid one more obstacle for a police officer to realize, wait a minute what i've just pulled out of a holster, i'm pulling it out in a different way than i would pull out my taser. >> anderson i'll get to your question in just a second. whether we look at errors in the mental community, which have been very rell researched peer reviewed well documented in the atomic energy in the aircraft industry. in fact national transportation and safety board uses this very concept as a fundamental foundation for research in crash investigations involving airplane crashes. and it's used internationally -- >> you're saying it's legit. do you know on the holster
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situation? is it the same mechanism, do you know? >> the issue comes to this. if the behavior has a common original starting point and is similar, you can get these errors particularly where there's inattention. if you have a different holster configuration, then you get a directed attention towards the process, and you minimize the chance of an error. however, it is much better as greg meyer was talking about, to use an entirely different limb which then makes you less susceptible to the slip and capture error. >> good to have you on, bill. phil stimson and mark geragos. coming up next the lead investigator in one of the school's biggest cheating scandals. if you haven't heard about this you should. we're not talking about students cheating we're talking about administrators. the judge who sentenced some of the culprits to a very long prison time. take a look. >> there were thousands of children that were harmed in
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put, it hits home. it's about educators inflating the test scores of some of their most vulnerable students to protect their own jobs and their paychecks. eight atlanta public school educators sentenced to prison today on racketeering charges, charges that were associated with mob bosses. all eight refused to take plea deals. three of the eight, these three top administrators in the atlanta public school system, drew the harshest punishment. 20 years, 7 years of which will be in prison and the rest on probation. as for just whose hot buttons this it you can include fulton county superior court judge, baxter on the list. >> i've given your client miss sharon david williams and mr. pitts were at the very top of this scandal, at the very top. and everybody in the education system at aps knew that cheating
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was going on and your client promoted it. there were thousands of children that were harmed in this thing. this was not a victimless crime that occurred in this city. from 2001, there was wholescale cheating going on in the atlanta public schools, and these kids were passed on and passed on and had no chance to begin, because of where they live who their parents were who their, you know just their situation, and the only chance that they had was the school. to get an education. >> quite a day in court. obviously, quite a scandal. martin savage joins us with more on the dimensions of it. how exactly did the administrators and the teachers orchestrate this widespread cheating. >> this all goes back actually to 2001 when it's first to have
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believed to have begun. but essentially, what it was, the educators. we're talking about principals teachers top people in the education administration. apparently all conspired, according to the prosecution, not everyone in the system but a number of them to change the test results. in other words, these were standardized tests given to georgia students, my kids took these tests. and they are going back and correcting the wrong answers to make the results look better make the students better and thereby make the educators look better for the bonuses and benefits and raises they got. so it was basically a group of teachers and administrators that corrected or gave the students the right answers. but regardless it's cheating. >> and the judge offered them one last chance to take a plea deal. and basically accept responsibility. how many actually took it? >> there actually have been a number of times that the plea deals have been offered to these people and over and over it was
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rejected. and finally yesterday is when the sentencing was supposed to cabin begin and the judge said i'll give you one more chance to accept this plea deal. there were two who finally came forward and said yes, we accept responsibility and got the plea deal. one served six months in jail with but only on the weekends, and another is confined to their home for a year but only at night. it will other ones didn't take it is and the judge was furious. listen to him. >> i was trying to give everybody one more chance. and you know probably have tomatoes thrown at me but you know nobody took it. nobody took it. so you know things change. and all i want from any of these people is just to take some responsibility. but they refuse. they refuse. and i am convinced that your
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client recruited those two retired teachers and cheated on that test. >> reporter: the top three administrators got seven years each 13 years probation. others got anywhere from 1 to 2 years in prison for cheating. anderson? >> remarkable. martin savage thanks very much. joining us as well tonight, michael bouras, the former attorney general of georgia who led the investigation of the cheating scandal. michael, you've known judge baxter for 40 years. what did you think when you saw the sentencing today? >> i was not surprised at all. >> because? >> because i've known him for a long time and i think he had given fair warning to these defendants as to what was likely to happen to them if they did not take the deal that had been offered to them by the district attorney. >> what's so incredible about this whole conspiracy is that the kids who needed help the most the ones who were most vulnerable didn't have other
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education alternatives. they were the ones who got hurt. as the judge said this was not a victims s rerestless crime. >> that is absolutely correct. in fact this whole mess and i think it's fair to call it a true mess is about the children. and these are the most vulnerable children in the state of georgia, and it truly is heartbreaking when you consider that these children were robbed of an education. i'm a grandfather and i feel for them and my heart just cries out for those children. >> and the damage that was done is not simply the years that these kids were in school that they got hurt but because they were allowed to, through the cracks like that without an education, just kind of passed on it reverberates throughout the rest of their lives. >> there's no question about that. and it reverberates in the
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prison system and unwed children -- children of unwed mothers and it goes on and on and on for god knows how long and it is a tragedy beyond description. >> but you have no doubt that there are some people who were pushed along, ended up being pushed through the school system without learning as they should have who have now ended up in the prison system in the jail system and part of that is because of what happened to them early on. i mean had they at least had a chance at an education, there would have been a greater chance they wouldn't have ended up incarcerated? >> mr. anderson there no doubt in my mind. there are a lot of people in the prison system who didn't get the right kind of education, and as a result resorted to crime at very early ages because they simply weren't able to read and write >> it also -- i got to say, and
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the judge really hammered this home it seems like there were a bunch of administrators at the top of all of this who just have not accepted responsibility. one of the attorneys, my client didn't directly engage in any cheating. that's not the point. if you're overseeing this and instructing others to cheat, you're just as culpable if not more so. >> just like a military commander. military commanders don't necessarily always directly observe what their troops do but they're nonetheless responsible. and the same sort of responsible exists here. >> mike it's just -- i mean it's an extraordinary sentencing and an extraordinary series of crimes and conspiracy. thank you so much for being with us. >> my honor. up next how it was possible for passengers on an alaska airlines flight to hear a man
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down on a story we first reported last night. that seattle airport worker that fell asleep inside the cargo hold of an alaska airlines jet. imagine his terror when he woke up and realized the jet had taken off. now, everything turned out fine. he was unhurt. the flight crew and passengers heard him banging for help. you can actually hear it in this video, shot by a passenger. now, after hearing that the crew made an emergency landing. the plane was in the air for 14 minutes with the man in the hold. it's a bizarre story, for sure, and got out wondering about a lot of things including how it was possible for that banging to be possible inside the boeing 737. weapon sent our gary tuchman to find out and he headed straight for the southern logistics airport where airports store jets that aren't being revealed.
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>> we've been given access to this boeing 737 and we'll show you how the cargo compartment works and what it looks like. usually three or four luggage workers, who raise the door. they have a ramp here normally, but because we don't have a ramp we'll simulate what they do. they throw their bags oen the plane, try to take good care with your bags so they don't break your valuables which occasionally does happen i suppose. and i'll go inside to give you a look at what it looks like inside the cargo hold. there are two cargo compartments in the boeing 737. this is the one in the front near the cockpit, first class right above me. another one in the aft at the back. this is where all your bags go. it's about 30 feet long. if a luggage worker has worked a long day, waiting for bags to arrive he can sit right here have a soft bag as a pillow and maybe doze off. we now want to conduct an experiment that how likely it is that someone under here would be
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heard. dave is an aircraft mechanic here. when you heard this story, did it shock you? >> well not really because being human, after a long day, we could, you know find a cozy spot and fall asleep. >> so it's not stunning to you? >> no. it's not supposed to happen but, you know it does. >> it could happen. okay. what we want to do these planes don't have fuel to operate the engines right now, so we want to replicate the noise. we'll do it with this very loud tug. eric can you turn on the tug for us and give us some noise. that's some noise to try to replicate the situation where the plane was actually flying. day, i'll go back inside to show you how dark it is. can you close the door when you get inside? >> by all mooneans. >> give it a close. >> >> so now you can see, it is pitch dark inside here. i'll put a flashlight on.
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now you can see me but you can't see much of anything else. amid the noise, we're putting dave in the cockpit to see if he can hear me. this is the flight deck. here i am stuck, the plane is rolling down the runway. we're in the air, i want to get the heck out of here. can you guys hear me? hey, get me out of here! get me out of here! you hear me! >> yeah i can hear banging. >> so dave did, indeed hear me from up top. but if he didn't if my life depended on it i could have kicked harder and yelled even louder. it is pressurized inside here but it is very tight and very dark. if you were claustrophobic this would be a very scary place to be be particularly if you were in flight. >> passengers said they heard screams coming from the cargo area. do you know if a passenger could have heard you? would they have been able to?
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>> reporter: the answer is yes. we know that firsthand, anderson because we relegated our producer to a first class seat on the plane while we were doing the demonstration and ehe heard me louder and clearer than the mechanic did in the cockpit. but in a real flight you have pilots wears headphones and talking, so it might be more likely that a passenger on the front of the plane will hear knocking. so if you hear knocking or screaming and you're a passenger, probably best off to tell somebody about it. >> must have been strange for those passengers to hear someone screaming and knocking and not know where it was. just ahead, hillary clinton kicking off her campaign in iowa. what her day looked like. plus could women propel her to the white house with their votes? how the numbers shake out. and also coming up at the top of the hour our cnn special "blowout: the gulf oil disaster." five years after the disaster the truth about its effect. it's an investigation you'll want to see.
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europe has big buildings like ours. only famous. and older. and gorgeous. and not like ours at all. . in iowa hillary clinton hit the campaign trail. her first stop a coffee shop in a small town of fewer than 4,000 people. she bought a couple of drinks said hi to some locals. her next stop a community college, where she held a roundtable an intimate evening outside the media, staff, and secret service, just 22 people
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were there. here's what she told them. >> i'm running for president because i think that americans and their families need a champion and i want to be that champion. i want to stand up and fight for people so that they cannot just get by but they can get ahead. and they can stay ahead. >> mrs. clinton was vague on policy her campaign aides say that more specifics will come later. right now, her plan is to crisscross crisscross key states at a series of small events much like the one today. political correspondent brianna keilar joins me now from des moines with more. brianna? >> reporter: hi there, anderson. the only specific policy proposal that hillary clinton outlined today was one, to do away with what she referred to as unaccountable money. so the proliferation of those super pacs and their big donors noteworthy though she did not explain how that squares with the super pac that she is blessed to support in her run for president. otherwise, it was broad strokes with an appeal to the middle class and to women.
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>> it's a question voters might be hearing from hillary clinton a lot in the next year and a half. >> don't you some day want to see a woman president of the united states of america? >> during her first white house run eight years ago clinton downplayed her gender and focused more on her experience. >> i believe that i will bring a lifetime of experience to this job. >> this time around expect a different message. one she hinted at as she exited the race in 2008. >> although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it. >> reporter: and one she showcased during her visit today to a kirkwood community college satellite campus in monticello, iowa, where she talked up becoming a grandmother last year. >> you know my granddaughter, i don't know how many babies were born on september 26th last
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year uhbut i want every one of them to feel like they have the same opportunities that we're going to do everything we can to make sure charlotte does. >> reporter: women voters represented a key piece of president obama's coalition. supporting him by double digits over mitt romney and john mccain and early polls show clinton could fare even better in hypothetical matchups against seven top republican contenders clinton beats each of them among women by more than 20 points, according to cnn/orc poll. one of clinton's supporters plans to cast her first vote for clinton in 2016. >> i want to hear mofsome of the talk about women. >> clinton also holds a high favorable rating among independent women, with 64% having a positive view of her, according to last month's cnn poll. but that goodwill does not extend to republican women, with only 19% seeing her in a
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favorable light. >> do we know when we're going to hear policy proposals, what specifically she's running on? >> reporter: yeah it seems like we're going to have to wait a little bit, anderson. i was talking to one of hr top aides today, and i was told it's going to be about four to five weeks before she really starts putting the meat on the bones. this phase i'mshe's in now is very much the listening phase. i was told by aides hillary clinton wants to hear the concerns of a lot of people before she starts addressing them. we do know her policy staff is starting to take shape today. >> bri yanna keeler thanks very much. up next tom hanks' wife rita wilson reveals a major health scare and confessed she's already undergone surgery.
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our cnn special report "blowout: the gulf oil disaster" comes up at the top of the hour. but first an amarah walker has a "360" bulletin. >> the senate foreign relations committee has unanimously approved legislation that would require president obama to send the final nuclear deal with iran to congress for review. the white house says it supports the bill as it stands now, but it could reject it if anything changes. meanwhile, just days after president obama shook hands with cuban president, raul castro the white house recommended that congress remove the island nation from the u.s. list of state sponsors of terrorism. the move would be a key step in normalizing relations with havana. in nigeria's capital, girls and young women marching to protest the mass kidnapping of nearly 300 schoolgirls by boko
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haram one year ago today. about 50 managed to escape soon after, but it's feared the rest have been raped, enslaved and forced to convert to islam. rita wilson is battling breast cancer. the actress and wife of actor tom hanks told "people" magazine she had a double mastectomy and she said she expects to make a full recovery in part because she caught it early and got a second opinion. >> she's a great lady a very talented singer. we wish her the best. thank you very much. that does it for us. the cnn special, blowout, the gulf oil disaster starts next. >> the following is a cnn special report. >> massive oil rig explosion off the coast of louisiana. >> a deadly disaster. >> i've never been so scared in my whole entire life. >> families devastated. >> they don't have to miss him the way i do. >> the worst environmental
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