support. it's a lot of help. >> they go out of their way to make sure you're taken care of and for the whole family. neighbors helping neighbors, family helping family. this is what we should be doing for one another. >> they definitely help me with this fight. i have all the motivation in the world looking at my daughter's eyes. >> to nominate a hero go to cnn heroes.com. good evening. thanks for joining us tonight. we know that aaron hernandez has been convicted of murder and today, they speak out. i sat down with the jurors. >> madam forperson -- 9-3-a, charging the defendant, aaron

hernandez with murder what say you, madam forperson not guilty guilty of murder in the first degree guilty of murder in the second degree? >> guilty of murder in the first degree. >> and a life sentence for the judge. the forperson describes it being the hardest thing she's done by far and saying those words in front of the defendant, she describes that as well. and we'll look at what they deliberated over for more than a week in the jury room and what they went through day after day. >> from the beginning, almost to the very end, five men and seven women had two stories to choose from two stories of the defendant they shared a courtroom with week after week.

one would leave him free to play for the patriots marry his fiance and mourn for odin lloyd. the other could send him to prison for life. day after day, then week after week 134 witnesses in all spoke to who the defendant was and how odin lloyd's body came to be in an isolated pit in an industrial park not far from aaron hernandez's home riddled with bullets, surrounded by evidence. a maurrijuana joint that contained dna from aaron hernandez and odin lloyd. they saw home security video showing hernandez carrying something. >> in my opinion, the firearm shown in the stills is a glok

pistol. >> or is an r it an ipad? >> two theories. the fiance got immunity and they heard from her. >> the defendant said it was important that you gedown there and get this box and get rid it of is that right? >> i believe so. >> they had to digest the stunning 180 during closing arguments putting him that scene of the cream. >> he was a kid that had witnessed something, the killing of someone he knew and he really didn't know what to do. >> they spent seven days trying to decide beyond a reasonable doubt what all of that evidence added up to. none of them had been on a jury

before for that length of time and they all say once is enough. there was a lot of witnesses and evidence presented. is that what made it so difficult or was there also just the emotional toll of dealing with somebody's life? >> you have to consider everything. you want to make sure that you're looking at everything. you don't want to put more weight on something and put less on another when the reality is towards the end, that's when you start to figure out where things went and you want to make sure that you're fair to all aspects of it. >> everything was equally important and we didn't want to miss anything. especially for most of us this was the first time we served on a jury and we needed to take it seriously. >> was it different than tv? >> yes, you see it law and order and all those tv shows and it's

nothing like that. >> more intense than you thought? >> absolutely. >> drangining at times. >> it was very emotional for me. as soon as we knew the verdict, people were calling me congratulating me. congratulate me? i felt like who won? odin lloyd's mother didn't win. it didn't bring back her son. did mr. hernandez win? no because he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail and he's only 25 years old and the worst part of it is that little girl who will never see her father again. it was the hardest decision i ever had to make. >> it was? >> absolutely. he was innocent until proven guilty and we took that very seriously.

>> did you know aaron hernandez before -- i mean when this trial started, did you know who he was? >> i had never watch football. >> i knew. >> i knew of him, yeah. >> you never watched football. >> i watch the patriots every sunday. >> i am a huge patriots fan and i put that on the questionnaire. i think that all of us, whether we knew him or not, took that out of the equation. it doesn't matter what you do or how much money you make, we're all people and all equal and we all deserve the same fair trial and that's what we wanted to make sure we gave him. >> the fact that prosecutors couldn't say clearly what the motive was, how -- did that make

it more difficult? did that weigh on you at all? >> absolutely. i know for myself if you do something, perform an act, you always question rationally what was the reason for why you did it and without that information, it made it very difficult. >> so without hearing a motive that made the difficult for you? >> it did. it made it harder because we had more to piece together. >> i saw you nodding your head. >> just what he said. there was more of the puzzle we had to piece together. it wasn't a clear cut answer. >> that man sitting in that seat deserves a chance. so that's where it was with me. i just kept rereading what the judge instructed us. we had that in a pretty thick pile of papers and i just kept rereading that and would have

someone read it to me so i could understand that. that's where i was able to rule out certain things. >> did you find it strange that there wasn't a motive presented? >> i think it would have probably helped for understanding. i can't -- like as humans we want to know a motive but necessarily, there doesn't have to be 1 and we had to piece more of the puzzle sgloorthtogether. >> you talk about pieces of the puzzle. are there a couple of pieces that you point to in being key to making your decision. because i know that you came to the same decision but in different ways. so i'm wondering what piece of the puzzle was important to you? >> that's what is great about a

group of 12 people and each person is going to say that certain pieces stick out to them more than others. >> it was the judge's instructions. >> and what about the instruction? what part of what she said? >> the different definitions of the law. exactly. it was definition of murder 1, definition of extreme atrocity or cruelty. those were the words that i was stuck on and people helped me with that. i needed clairety and i searched for those people that could give me that clarity. >> and let me ask you about that because for murder 1 you have to show cruelty or -- >> extreme atrocity or cruelty. >> this wasn't premeditations? >> i can't say with 100%

certainty that it was premeditated. >> but you did see extreme atrocity or cruel? >> i see extreme atrocity and cruelty. >> was it the number of shots? >> it was his indifference and that was part of what i had to look at and it was, even if there was no premeditation, he could have made choices there when he was there. he was there, they admitted that and he could have made different choices and he chose not to. >> i think one in that regard was the indifference and we watched the footage from his home the next morning after the incident occurred and he was just lounging around by the pool and playing a baby and for us to

know that he was there and had knowledge of his close friend being murdered there's no way i could just carry on like nothing happened and to me, that's indifference. >> in the instructions we weren't asked to use that after the murder to weigh our decision to leave your friend on the ground. knowing that he's not there anymore. he's either dead or he's going to die. that's indifference. he didn't need to pull the trigger. he could have made different choices when that man was lying there. >> do you feel like he did pull the trigger? >> i don't know. there's no evidence to support he pulled the trigger but he chose not to do anything about it. >> in that moment or in the aftermath aftermath? >> and in that moment is what i was instructed to look at.

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we're talking tonight with the jury that found aaron hernandez guilty of murder and we're talk about bod alangy language. he was already accustomed to being in the public eye and boeing judged with how he carried himself but not quite like this. >> reporter: his face barely registering any reaction after hearing the verdict a totally different side of him could be seen at trial when cameras weren't allowed to roll and

jurors weren't present but that same so thing. and flashing that same hollywood smile or mouthing i love you to his fiance or joking with his lawyers lawyers. >> we used the aid of the mike row roscope to see more. >> and he showed no emotion when he saw graphic crime scene photos of lloyd. >> i forgive the hands of the people who had a hand at the people who killed my son. >> he doesn't react. he reaktsz a couple of times when they play an awkward

footage of him getting close to someone who wasn't his fiance. he rubs his chin and at other times rocks his chair and he's seen licking his lips and rubbing his chin when he learns he'll spend the rest of his life behind bars even mouthing the words "they're wrong." >> well right or wrong, they reached that verdict after spending weeks in the company of the man they found guilty. the question is how does that effect the jury? i noticed a couple of you called him airaron and i think people who haven't been on a jury don't realize the intimacy of being in a court room where someone is sitting next to you. did he look at you?

>> oh, yeah one time we made eye contact and he nodded at me one time. it's hard to come to that it scission at the end because three months they're part of you and all of a sudden you have to make that decision to put him away or let him go. it's very hard. >> we learned yesterday that he said to his guards that he didn't do it that you all were wrong. when you hear that what do you think? >> then maybe he should have said something so we could have heard his side of the story. >> i know each of you were poled, did he say anything to each of you? >> no he didn't say anything to us. >> it was emotional and i didn't want to make eye contact with

anybody. and at one point there was so much noise over to the side of me i went to gaz around and i locked eyes with him. and he was shaking his head and he mouthed something and i didn't know what he mouthed but he was shaking his head staring and i thought, you need to look back at the judge. >> do you think he was mouthing to you or someone else? >> i don't know. >> a lot of people at home watching the trial talked about his swager and bearing and someplace people said it was different when you all were in the room than when you weren't. and obviously you wouldn't be able to tell that you because only saw him at one time but did

his bearing register with you? >> did you form opinions lat with that? >> you have to be careful judging people with their body language. it doesn't mean concrete things. you want to be careful judging stuff like that. >> it just leads us to go to irrational conclusions. we have to look at fact. >> aaron hernandez's girlfriend or fiance was granted immunity. weria ae iayou aware of that? >> yes, the judge told us when she finished testimony that she was granted immunity and what that meant. before she came up we didn't know but at the end of her testifying we were made aware of that. >> and did that effect you in

any way or impact how you thought of her telling? >> there were a lot of people who testified were granted immunity. >> and we were told by the judge to scrutinize that testimony. >> and did you believe that she had thrown out a box that weighed several pounds she said it smelled like weed and didn't actually look inside the box? >> i don't recall. >> all we know is we saw on the video that we saw her remove the box and place it in the trunk of her sister's car. >> she said she doesn't know what dumpster she put it in and she didn't look it into it. did you find her credible? >> no. >> selective memory? >> yes. >> so you didn't find her credible at all?

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. new england patriots owner robert kraft proouved to be a important factor. the team dropped the star tight end after his arrest. and the jurors said that one piece of evidence was especially damaging. the testimony of mr. kraft, the owner of the new england patriots how important was that? what did you come away with knowing from that? >> it was important. i mean i had said it yesterday

too. when he testified that aaron had came and seen him the day after the incident or that he went and saw aaron the day after the incident and asked him if he did it and aaron said, no, i'm completely innocent and in fact i hope that the time he was murdered is made pibublic because at that time i was at a club. >> he said he wasn't involved and he was innocent and that he hoped the time of the murder incident came out because i believe he said he was in a club. >> even after a professional medical examiner conducted an autopsy, he couldn't conclude the exact time that odin was murdered. so two years ago, how would aaron have that information, especially if he wasn't

involved. so to me that is important. >> the fact that he indicated he knew what time odin lloyd was murdered to you, that was a tell? >> it was one of them. >> one of many. >> when the defense in closing argument said said that aaron hernandez was there, which is different than what they had been saying, or hadn't said previously. how important was that? >> it surprised us that the attorney would say that but that wasn't a statement we could consider in our verdict. >> why not. >> we were told that anything that an attorney says or if they object to something, that's not a piece of admissible evidence. >> did it make you then doubt the defense in general, that wait a minute, why didn't they say that from the get go?

it would be human nature at least for me to think, what else is there that they haven't said and all of a sudden they're saying he was there after this entire trial. >> it made me question the integrity and the questions that they asked, the process. just reflecting back earlier when they made a claim that aaron wasn't present and in closing arguments, they contradicted themselves. and in looking for the evidence, we were looking at stills from the videos we watchd and we watched them again and some of the images where it appeared to be a handgun and they were trying to insinuate that it was a remote control or a clicker.

>> and the question of was it a gun? was it an iphone? was that important to you? it was. in what way? >> it didn't look like a clicker to me it looked like a gun and for him to carry a gun in his house like that around a child, it just made me think what else is he capable of. >> i also want to point out that this jury made a point of saying we don't want to talk about what happened inside the jury room and the dynamics between them and whether there was crying or arguments because they wanted to protect the sanctity of that because they wanted future jurors to know that opinions they gave would not be share would the public at large and this jury is stick together doesn't seem like they're out there looking for

fame they're not doing a lot of interviews. i think they did one local interview that day as well. they want people to know how seriously they took this and the decision process that went into that decision. you just heard aaron hernandez's actions and demeanor taken after the murder were a big factor. it was interesting, sunny, you heard them talk about bob kraft's testimony and for some of the jurors they immediately zeroed in on the fact that aaron hernandez seemed to indicate he had a sense of what time odin lloyd was killed and they raised the question of how would he know because even the medical examiner didn't know. >> i loved that it really affirmed owhat i say about

juries. they work really hard they want to do the right think and most importantly, when we talk to them as lawyers, when you go back to the jury room ladies and gentlemen of the jury don't leave your commonsense behind. and what you hear from them is a lot of commonsense. how could aaron hernandez know what time it happened when a medical examiner doesn't know? and that's a commonsense argument that they're making and it makes a lot of sense. >> the fact that the jurors really zeroed in on the defense pulling a 180 and admitting that he was at the scene of the crime and that it made him question their whole take on it. is that common that a defense team completely changes their narrative like at at the end of a trial? >> yes, it is common because there is this perception and i

admit to having done it early in my career that you could have two different theories that may be mutually exclusive and i've abandoned that in the last decade or so because i don't think it works and i think you get the reaction from this juror, which is he questions the integrity of the defense lawyer. and i will tell you that this is an incredible jury in terms of they followed the law, and i'm saying this as a defense lawyer they followed the law, they knew exactly what to answer with you. and you said we were instructed not to consider that as evidence but we did take what they had done or their tactics into account. that's exactly what you're supposed to do.

virtually everything they said is spot on and a high lae intelligent jury and i'm impressed, even as a defense lawyer. >> and i said this after them interview because i didn't want to butter them up but that a, how they stuck together and their kaungs engsyengssness and the body language and they said, that had nothing to do -- >> which is exactly. it's a defense lawyer's worst nightmare. you hope you're going to have some appellate issue pop up but they didn't give the defense anything to work with. >> in terms of aaron hernandez's behavior from what we know of

it do you think it's likely in line with a definition of a socio path. can you explain that. >> someone who feels that the law doesn't apply to him and that he can lie with impunity and there's a specialness and you're not going to get him, you got it wrong if you think it wasn't him and you're supposed to see the world as he sees it and according to the family history, he's been very much antisocial and rebellious since his dad died when he was a young boy. but i want to talk about the swager and you can't help but effect them on some level. there's a way of looking at somebody that there nonverbal ways of how they effect us and i think his attitude in court, you 3rd heard it bleeding through in the

evidence. how is he able to carry a gun round his children? if they had seen something totally different in the courtroom, that may not have affected him that much. >> the surveill ngsance inside of his home and the four guys go to this sited and three rereturn odin lloyd being one of them and they were only there once he was already there and they didn't see that swager i think they saw it more in the videotape. and sunny, for first degree murder in massachusetts, it's either premeditation or extreme cruelty and they couldn't say it was premeditation, even though some thought maybety was, but there wasn't evidence to prove that but they all felt there was cruelty. >> and i think that's unique to

the situation in massachusetts. because in other places premeditation would mean you have to prove the murder. so unlucky for aaron hernandez and what's interesting about it is it's almost a character assault and they using their commonsense and said even if you didn't pull the trigtrigger, how could you drink smoothies in the morning and behave this way. >> and thank you. just ahead, more into the maximum security prison that he is facing and you'll be interested to learn how much time he will spend in his cell. and the sheriff's office tells cnn

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and after the shooting bates said he was trained by the maricopa sheriff's department in arizona. tonight that sheriff's department says that's not true and in addition the tulsa world newspaper says there's evidence that his training records were falsified. >> roll on your stomach. >> you can only see a quick glimpse when erick harris is shot and killed. but how the tulsa county share was's department allowed him to work the streets is under scrutiny. they report that supervisors were told to falsify bates's training records and that at least three supervisors were transferred. sheriff stanley and other

sheriff officials have repeatedly insisted that he was properly trained. >> we feel he did. >> the sheriff's office has only released some training cnn asked for all the training records but in an interview with the tulsa radio station, he acknowledged some of the gun were missing and the person who handled that paperwork is no longer with the office. >> she can't find the records and so we're going to talk to her to see if he was qualified with those. >> reporter: he writes that he last qualified in 2014 and has been taser certified for at least three or four years and then he writes that he received training by the maricopa sheriff's department in response

to active shooters. but amaricopa sheriff's official says he didn't come to arizona and certainly didn't train with us. the lawyer for erick harris's family said he received favored treatment because he is a personal friend of the sheriff's. >> there are a number of records that sheriff's office simply haven't come forward with them and if they don't, it's a reflection that it didn't happen. >> reporter: and earlier this week a spokesman boldly rejected any outside investigators into the shooting death. >> we're not scared to prosecute our own and there's nobody ipthis culture that could be more tough on cops than their own. the analogy that you could eat

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>> reporter: i can show you what happened here involved him flying for a long time through a lot of space where someone should have had an eye on him. and he was in gettysburg. he was in the middle he was in the no fly zone and by the time he's in the middle he's in the moisz protected air in the entire country. think about it. the white house is over here. he was headed all the way up here to the capital and if you look at his point of view it would have taken at least a minute and 1/2 to cover this. he would have been flying past hundreds of officers of all different types. security guards, capital police d.c. police it's almost

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