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life and property are properties. >> i'm actually quite -- quite scared right now for my family. >> as thn example of what the drought has done to these fuel conditions. >> wicked wildfires threatening hundreds of homes in southern california. this morning, mandatory evacuations with the extreme drought fueling the flames. the lawyer for a preserve deputy who mistakely shot an unarmed man releases his training records. could this be critical in robert
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bates case? >> he was screaming as he was yelling shoot me, shoot me. >> we have compelling video of a police officer keeping his cool while confronting a double murder suspect and refusing to use deadly force as the man charged. we are also following this story very closely. a boat believed to be carrying as many as 650 people plus has cap-sized in the mediterranean sea off the coast of libya. we will bring you a report in a couple of moments. first, breaking news out of california. take a look at the pictures we are getting in. it is an early, brutal start to the wildfire season. right now, more than 300 firefighters are racing to contain a wildfire that is out of control. but you can see those pictures there. we are so grateful to have your company as always this morning. i'm christi paul. >> i'm joe johns in for victor blackwell. so much news going on both here
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on the west coast, as well as the mediterranean sea. >> absolutely. >> the fires broke out around 6:00 p.m., last night, corona, california, and evacuations of 300 families. >> the fire is only 15% contained this area but the area we know is hit so hard by the state's year-long drought at this point so you can imagine how uneasy residents are. >> i'm actually quite scared right now for my family and don't know what to do. if i need to get back and start planning evacuations or what. >> we want to talk here with captain mike mueller of the riverside county fire department. captain, thank you for being with us. first of all, what do you know about the conditions there right now and how this fire might have started? >> we are on the fire lines and seeing the fire lay down just a
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little bit. we have lost the wind which is in firefighters' favor. right now, the cause is under investigation but we are actively looking at what exactly started this. >> so i know that this area has not been touched by fire in so long, that there is a lot of vegetation there. how tough a fight is this for you in terms of the terrain that you're dealing with? >> it's very difficult. this area has hasn't burned in decades. this is in a proto dam basin. if we weren't in a drought this would normally be full of water. difficult terrain and difficult access for firefighters and difficult vegetation and making for a difficult firefight. >> we understand areas evacuated where there are homes and homes being built. are there structures that are wood frames that i would think would just be tinder for these plants? >> there are. there are some new construction area within the fire area.
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so far, no structures are damaged or destroyed but is a top concern. >> reporter: how does the drought affect the way you fight this fire? do you have enough resources? >> we do. we do have in your resources. we have firefighters throughout southern california on scene and more responding as we speak. we are just hoping that mother nature stays on our side and we will see in the morning when the sun comes up, we will have more aircraft on it and hopefully the wind stays in our favor. >> real quickly. everybody has gotten out and there hasn't been any injuries? >> that is correct. we are happy to report there have been no injuries reported and no structures damaged or destroyed. >> we see the pictures there of those 300 plus firefighters who are responding, as well as we understand two water dropping helicopters and two air tankers. best of luck to you and thinking about all of you there. thank you, captain mike mueller. we appreciate it. >> thank you very much. ivan cabrera is here now. just looking those pictures, the
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situation on there seems like a confluence of the worst possible factors. >> they do incredible work out there, no question about it. you talked about the fire season. if the fire season now basically runs through the entire year because we don't have a rainy season, that is the problem here. we have very dry tinder here. 300 acres have been affected and 15% contained. we are talking about the winds this afternoon and low relative humidity and that is an issue we head through later on. temperatures are going to be that bad. i think that is going to be on our side here. temperatures will not be bad. we are talking about dry conditions the next several days. that has been the case, of course, throughout the year. the problem here. when you have a drought that makes things worse and makes firefighting a lot more difficult and what we have to
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contend with. the winds i think, guys, today is the issue. 25-mile-per-hour winds and tend to go down at night but the heating of the day and mix things up a little bit and get into the 15% contained. >> we will following this all morning long and before you you any developments as they happen. breaking news out of the coast of libya. a boat has cap-sized in the mediterranean sea. a joint rescue operation is under way. officials say 28 people have been rescued but 23 bodies have also been recovered. barbie nado joins us now on the phone of "the daily beast." what else do you know about this accident? >> the call came in last night and ship under trouble. a merchant vessel was involved
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in the operation immediately. when the migrant saw the vessel coming to rescue them they all apparently rushed to one side of the ship they are i on and cap-sized and sending as many as 700 people into the water. it's a stormy time in the mediterranean and people's chance of survival is only a couple of hours. it was dark. the italian coast guard got involved and maltese navy as well, trying to find people but they are reporting hundreds of bodies in the water right now. this comes on the back of a week when 11,000 people came from coast of italy last week in a seven-day period alone and this isn't each the boat season yet. people coming and coming and trying to get to europe by way of italy. >> right. so another migrant ship cap-sized a few days ago. what do we know about the situation? these are people coming from conflict zones. they pay to get on these boats and then bad things can happen.
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>> that's absolutely right. these are most africa people who have been traveling for weeks, maybe months before they even get to the libyan port to take advantage of the human trafficking and just run a business and charging 7,000 to make this dangerous journey across. to italy they go into migrant camps a little while but most head up into europe. the migrant camps are not the community. they are quite free. there are also land traffickers that take people up. it is a question of human trafficking. you cannot stop them from trying to make it to a safer place. >> right. i just want to update here. we are being told 49 people have now been rescued. those are the latest numbers. so, barbie, why do people take this terrible risk? they have to know the grave danger of getting on to one of
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these little boats and trying to make it away from, say, libya. why do they do this? >> it's a desperate situation. so many people i've talked to when they have landed in italy or in the migrant camps say it's worth the risk. they are fleeing a situation they don't feel they have a future and feel their lives are in danger. women from nigeria were worried for their children and daughters. they have their own story of desperation and come on the boats to take the risk. the risk to them is worth it, even though life here is, obviously, very difficult for them. there is very little work. they are treated, living in in humane conditions until they get on their feet. a lot try to join family and french speaking africans that try to get to germany and try to get into the uk but they are met with a lot of opposition. people just don't have jobs.
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unemployment is high. it's a terrible situation. but as they say, it's better than what they are coming from. >> we are going to continue to cover this because a terrible situation. thanks so much for updating us, barbie nadeal. much said about the training records of the voluntary deputy who shot an unarmed man. take a look for yourself. are those forged or not? a drug bust in the caribbean. what was found in the cargo hold might blow your mind.
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[ bleep ] [ bleep ]. new information this morning on on a deadly shooting that was reported by a police body camera. reserve deputy robert bates says he pulled out his gun instead of his taser and killed eric harris. cnn reported the story first last sunday. since then, a lot of attention and focus has been on the training he received and now cnn has obtained new documents suggesting bates had proper training to be in the field. the records, which were released by bates' lawyer includes his training hours, even reviews from other officers. polo has been reading through the documents. the record could be critical in this case. has cnn been able to independently authenticate them? >> joe, not at this point. that is key. you mentioned there, we continue 20 pore through these documents and they do suggest that robert bates training was actually
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up-to-date, at least they certify some of that training, particularly the one with the taser. still so many questions still remain and we should mention these documents were headed over to cnn by robert bates' attorney, mr. woods. now they do show the reserve deputy did, in fact, have at least one taser training class over a six and a half year period you mentioned there. bates confusion between his taser versus his gun is one of the big issues here, the story. the response from bates and his legal team is coming after "the tulsa world" cited five sources that bates lacked proper training and if bates were qualified were falsified. the publication is standing by the reporter. the sheriff's office continues to deny that. they say bates took training classes in late 2013. we asked bates' attorney scott wood for an explanation. he said he could have been
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trying to clam in -- cram in the classes before certification. we have not able to authenticate the documents and we are in the process of requesting some of these records from the tulsa county's sheriff's office. they say they are unable to provide them as they are part of an ongoing investigation. he read out to the council of law enforcement and training and oversees the training of their state officers and, at this point, they cannot provide those documents. either bates would have to sign off on it or a court order would have to be required. joe? >> that's missing documents. there are some missing documents here that we don't know where they are? >> reporter: that's one of the other big questions here, too. in fact, bates' attorney was the very first one to admit that there are some records still missing. he did not go as far as to say exactly what they would show. however that is also going to be a major issue to see really the entire document packet.
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at this point, we only have 60 some pages but his attorney the first to admit there are still a few more pages that should be included here. >> very interesting story. thanks so much for that, polo sandoval. the new documents come as eric harris family and friends say their final good-byes. they gathered yesterday for a viewing ceremony in tulsa. harris son is questioning the legitimacy of the training record. >> i know what they did is wrong but they wouldn't be trying to hide everything, so just to admit what they did is wrong and we will get justice for him. >> let's bring in cnn contributor and former fbi analyst to him fuentes into the discussion. a lot of questions about bates' training. what do you take away from these documents? what is useful for the investigation? >> joe, i think what is useful is what was the training specifically, what type of training was it? he has described during his tv interviews that he carried his firearm on his right hip, which
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if you're right-handed, most police officers would. but that he had a tactical vest on and the taser was in the center of his chest up in here on his vest. what that means is that he would be drawing the taser with the same right hand that he would be drawing the firearm and it would be much easier to distinguish. how much training with draw, fire, reholster, the firearm, draw, use the taser and it's one and done usually until you reset it. most police departments training now, the taser would be completely on the other side. you would draw it with your weak hand or left hand in this case. hand it over to the right hand so it's a couple of extra actions of making it clear to you you are using the taser, not your firearm. that is one aspect of training. we don't know. they may train all of their officers the same way, you know, maybe no extensive training on distinguishing one from the other. >> the records could have been falsified that bates was given
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preferential treatment. "tulsa world" published an article saying the supervisors were directed to sign off on his training and if they didn't, they were reassigned. how likely is it that something like that can be proven? >> i don't know. i think it could be proven by the statements taken from the other officers, especially locate the ones that may not be with the department any more and interview them and get, you know, especially for another law enforcement agency doing an investigation to get a signed, sworn statement from them that that is what occurred and they saw that happen. again, each one of these little aspects to this is part of the story, but not the entire story. having been a firearms inspector and police inspector and fbi inspector, you need hundreds and hundreds of hours and police officers get that. reserve officers just don't. under oklahoma law, they are
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required to get about half of what a full-time police officer would get. they would never have the same level of training as a full-time police officer. they shouldn't be at high risk dangerous arrests like this. it just should be avoided. tom fuentes, thanks for that. please stand by and we want your thoughts on a story coming up later in our hour. >> okay. a police officer, keeping his cool, in a harrowing situation. take a look at this video. an officer refusing to shoot each as a double murder suspect is charging him. we will take a closer look at this video and hear why the officer chose not to fire. plus, pete rose is back in baseball! sort of. most of the products we all buy are transported on container ships.
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23 minutes after the hour. here's a look at some of the other stories developing at this hour. french customs officers seize more than two tons of cocaine from a sailboat. one venezuelian and two spanish nationals were arrested in the raid off the caribbean. the value of the cocaine seized is estimated at $105 million. a charter bus taking the university of kentucky students to boston caught fire on a ramp on the massachusetts turnpike. nobody was injured and some of the students are blaming the driver for not stopping when the bus started having mechanical issues. the cause is under investigation. in idaho, firefights rescued
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who parents insiir rots inside . they heard help, help, and found out it was parrots. no one was found inside the house. fox hired former major league baseball player pete rose as a guest analyst. baseball's all-time hits leader was slapped with a lifetime ban, remember, from the sport after a betting controversy back in 1989. the move comes at a time when rose has officially requested to have that ban lifted. i wonder why? >> yeah. really. 20 years after the nation's deadliest terror attack, oklahoma city bombing. the scars that remain. we will take you there live where loved ones will gather to remember the victims. dramatic body cam video shows how an officer's split-second decision not to use force on a murder suspect charging at him. you'll see it play out as the
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this is cnn breaking news. we do have breaking news stories we are following for you this morning. first, in southern california, where residents are waking up to a massive wildfire. the highway fire as it's being called has already burned 300 acres and forcing evacuations of 300 families. rough terrain in the area has prevented firefighters from gaining the upper hand, at least so far. and hundreds of people are feared dead after a boat carrying migrants cap-sized in the mediterranean sea off the coast of libya. malta and italy are conducting a joint rescue operation. officials say 49 people have been rescued but 23 bodies have also been recovered and the survivors say between 700 to 800
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people were on this bode. today marks 20 years since the oklahoma city bombing. the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in u.s. history. 168 people, including 19 children, were killed that day and more than 500 were injured. timothy mcveigh the mastermind of the attack was put to death. and terry nichols is serving a life sentence. family and friends will gather there today to remember the people that they loved. i was there many years ago, ryan. ryan is joining us live. there is almost a presence there, isn't there? >> reporter: there is no
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question about that. it's especially impressive being here this early this morning. the way that this memorial is lit up is absolutely beautiful and haunting. we are expecting thousands of people here to honor the 20th anniversary of this active domestic terrorism that killed 168 people and changed this city forever. >> reporter: it is often the first thing people think of when they hear oklahoma city. >> explosion has happened at the federal court building in downtown, oklahoma city. >> reporter: someone debt tated detonated a ryder truck outside of the building. . it killed 168 people. >> the bombing in oklahoma city was an attack on innocent children and defenseless citizens. >> reporter: within days, the two men behind the attack were behind bars. an oklahoma state trooper pulled over army veteran timothy mcveigh for driving without a
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license plate 90 minutes after the attack. shortly before his release, two days later, he was recognized as a bombing suspect. his accomplice, terry nichols turned himself in the same day. mcveigh was convicted and given the death penalty and he was executed in 2001. >> timothy james mcveigh has been executed by lethal injexion. nichols was convicted and is serving a life sentence. oklahoma city built this solemn memorial on the site of the former murrah federal building and five years after the bombing took place and each victim is honored with a symbolic chair and 19 smaller chairs in honor of the children that died. the selfless actions that people took in the aftermath of the bombing and beyond became known as the oklahoma standard. there are a number of high profile speakers expected here
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today, including former president bill clinton who was, of course, in office at the time of the bombing 20 years ago. >> ryan nobles, thank you so much. we appreciate it. in february the homeland security department released a memo. the big question could something like that in oklahoma city happen again? cnn's victor blackwell was granted rare access to the atf's center for explosives training and research in huntsville, alabama, to take a look. >> reporter: at this thousand-acre center, federal agents and police and military are learning how to prevent future bombings and more officially investigate attacks. we can't show you their faces due to the sensitivity work. >> 1995, the certified
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explosives program would have consisted of a two-week school to certify the agents. >> reporter: now the training is stretched over two years including graduate level engineering courses. >> the agents have a better understanding now of kind of the scientific principles behind the post-blast or behind the blast. >> reporter: and scientific testing has accelerated. agents who collected evidence at the murrah building in 1995 or centennial olympic park in 1996. atf certificate tim shelly demonstrates. >> it is telling us that is sugar. >> reporter: that was essentially 20 seconds? >> ruffle 20 seconds. >> reporter: in a sample collected at the murrah building, how long would that have taken? >> hours. maybe a day to get the analytical results back.
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>> reporter: precious time and could mean the difference between losing a suspect and catching one. gone are the days of simple scene mapping and photos of the scene. >> with this new technology, we are looking at light years what we had just ten years ago. >> reporter: starting with this camera purchased just months ago. >> these images are high-degeneration. a hundred pixel camera and allows us a 360-degree view. >> reporter: lab results and video and reports and allowing prosecutors to lead a potential jury on a comprehensive walk-through at the trial. how much space is this saving? >> tremendous amount of space. from what used to be several binders, we reduce this down to one cd or one thumb drive. >> reporter: the center looks ahead to the next potential
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blast and building and detona detonating bombs like testing recipes in a cookbook. >> we went out and looked what was available on the internet and what was being published by organizations that want to be nefarious things in the united states. >> reporter: like "inspire" magazine? >> right. >> reporter: that is the al qaeda publication in which the tsarnaev brothers found the pressure cooker bombs detonated at the boston marathon. >> reporter: we can look at investigative leads that occurred like where would they have gotten materials or supplies and helps an variation follow up. >> reporter: agents say what may be the greatest advancement of the last 20 years, the cell phone. think back to 19931995. it was basic. now agents it take photos and shoot video and e-mail them back
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to a command center or a lab for immediate analysis. they also use apps to identify components at the scene and there are new phone-base resources currently in development. >> victor, thank you very much. why this officer refused to shoot his firearm when a double murder suspect was charging at him. plus more for you on the wildfire in southern california. hundreds of people are being evacuated as we speak, as we bring you updates live from the scene throughout the morning. more than 300 firefighters are out there. it is a very tough situation. do stay close.
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a dramatic judgment call for one ohio police officer after body cam video shows him refusing to use deadly force against a double murder suspect. we are going to show you the entire video of officer jesse kidder confronting the suspect who is rushing toward him and demanding that officer kidder shoot him. >> get your hands up! get your hands up! get your hands up right now! [ bleep ] stop! stop right there! i don't want to shoot you, man. i don't want to shoot you! [ bleep ] i'll shoot you, i'll shoot you. >> no you won't! no you won't! >> get back! get back! get back! >> shoot me! >> get your hands out of your
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pocket now! not going to do it. >> shoot me! shoot me! shoot me! >> stop right now. back up! [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] back [ bleep ] off! get down on the ground! >> subject is running. >> later on, the officer was able to reflect and talk about the tense moments. listen. >> he got towards my face right as i lost balance. i'm thinking at this point if he goes to attack me, i will to use deadly force. law enforcement officers across the nation get split-specked decisions between life and death. i wanted to be sure i used deadly force. for him to make the judgment call he did shows great restraint and video footage eliminated all doubt that this
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officer would have been justified if, in fact, it came to a shooting. >> the suspect in the video has been charged with murder. meanwhile, officer kidder revealed that the body cam he was wearing was actually given to him by one of his relatives and as a result of all this, officials hope they get funding in order to get other cameras for other officers. we will break down the video with law enforcement analyst tom fuentes coming up next. plus, 300 acres burned. hundreds evacuated and homes are being threatened. we will be following a raging wildfire in california as firefighters race to keep it under control. a tearful reunion decades in the making. a mother finally meets the daughter doctors told her had died. now other mothers are coming forward with similar stories. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants,
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get your hands up! get your hands up! great your hands up right now! >> you look at that and you think, would you have had it in you not to shoot when a guy like that is charging at you? we just showed you this video and we want to talk more about it with tom fuentes because we have this murder suspect charging at this police officer and screaming, "shoot me!" and the officer doesn't do so. he, in fact, backs up and takes a little bit of a tumble before they get this guy into custody. tom, when you watch this video, are you surprised that he didn't shoot? >> kristy, i think watching that
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video i had a similar situation when i was a police officer and didn't shoot. you're gambling as a police officer that if he pulls a pistol out of his pocket you can shoot him and stop him before he has time to get a shot off and kill you. that might be a tenth of a second, you know? the police officer already has his gun out so it's not high noon where they are both going to draw at the same time but he is calculating that he has a good aim on the subject. if he has to, he can still win if it turns into a gun battle or a knife and gun battle, but that's a very difficult circumstance and that officer is gambling with his own life as well because he might miss. he might, under the stress of it, not get that shot off and stop the individual before the individual gets him first. it's a very tough decision. >> i think anybody sitting at home watching this and seeing the guy charge at him, our instinct may be my gosh, i have to save myself. i have to shoot.
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is it the training that differentiates the fact that split second i'm going to do this, to an officer who feels like he can at least control the situation to some degree? >> it is. officers take hundreds of hours of shoot, don't shoot decision making scenarios, as well as the proficiency. if he was confident that he was going to be able to stop the individual, if he had to, and then go through all of the judgment. now, the officer's mind is calculating a thousand things simultaneously to determine that he had not yet seen a weapon. the individual had not really charged at him. he comes forward. he keeps coming toward him. >> i'm sorry, tom, but we listen to him saying "shoot me," but you're assuming this is a guy trying to get cop suicide as it's called, right? >> yes, suicide by cop. the problem with that scenario is many times it's actually suicide with cop. we just saw a pilot do suicide by airplane, but suicide with
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149 other passengers on that airplane. so that is the difficulty in these circumstances. you might know what's in your mind but you don't know what's in his. the excuse we hear he is mentally disturbed, that doesn't stop him from being able to inflict a fatal wound on that officer in less than one second. >> right. we heard the officer say there, i wanted to be absolutely sure before i was using deadly force and he was. wow. it's something else. tom fuentes, thank you so much for helping us break that down. we appreciate it. >> thank you, christi. new developments reas a rule how much a training deputy had before he accidentally shot and killed a man. coming up this next hour, could this new information change the course of that investigation and be a clue to his defense? why do i take metamucil everyday? because it helps me skip the bad stuff. i'm good. that's what i like to call, the meta effect. 4-in-1 multi-health metamucil is clinically proven to help you feel less hungry between meals. experience the meta effect with our multi-health wellness line.
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we want to tell you about a really disturbing story now. some mothers in the st. louis area are living through a horrendous nightmare all over again. they were told their babies died shortly after giving birth decades ago. now new evidence is suggesting their children may still be alive. one-by-one, desperate mothers
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are coming forward, looking for answers. >> i have always said the last 50 years that my child lives somewhere. >> reporter: brenda stewart is one of many fearing her child is alive after told her child died at a st. louis hospital years ago. >> i just sit straight up when i seen 2. >> reporter: that was her reaction when she saw the tv reunion of zell la jackson price and her 49-year-old daughter melanie diane gilmore on a local newscast and their story hauntingly similar to stewart's. brenda had been told her baby died after giving birth in 1965. the staff allegedly toot infant from zell la and zell la was linked as melanie's mother years later and her daughter had been
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placed in adoptive care. the story all too real to brenda stewart who now wondering if her child is still alive. >> as she came out, she cried. she was crying. they held her up for me to see her. >> reporter: stewart says she was never given an opportunity to hold her child and that the hospital staff allegedly returned to say her child was dead. even more when stewart's parents arrived at the hospital, staff allegedly told her parents they could not see the body because stewart signed papers stating the body would be donated to science. stewart denies signing such paper work citing the fact she was only 15 years old at the time. >> it still hurt me to know that my baby is out there because i never have believed that she was dead. >> reporter: she is just with one of many women who are coming forward to zellla with the unfathomable fear that her child may still be alive. >> i believe her. yes, i believe her.
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>> reporter: she plans to get an attorney to investigate. i mentioned that station has received other similar reports since that story broke. >> if the same thing happened to me, you bet! i think any mother or parent out there would be thinking the same thing. >> after all these years! >> they have no idea why. remember, this, as you heard, the hospital closed in 1979. trying to investigate why this happened and even prosecute people is a long shot but if people can continue to be reunited, that can be important. thank you for starting your morning with us. we always appreciate seeing you. >> absolutely. we have so much more in the next hour of "new day" which starts right now. ♪ running from flames. take a look at these new pictures we are getting in. hundreds of homes threatened by a wildfire in drought-stricken southern california. new documents.

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