thank you for joining us. our breaking news. protests erupting tonight in baltimore continues with anderson. >> less than a day after the police chief and mayor tried to get in front of the protests protests offer a man's death in police custody seems to have grown. marches who were driven away last evening by rainy weather came out today in force demanding answers to how freddie gray ended up with fatal spinal cord injuries after being arrested on the morning of the 12th. his mother overcome with emotion collapsed during the march and could not go on.

her grief matched by other strong emotions tonight on the streets, including disbelief and mistrust in anger. we'll speak with baltimore's mayor and our panel with unanswers surrounding freddie gray's death but first let's go to the streets of baltimore with the latest of what is happening. >> it is unclear of what is happening. they were here at the west district police officer where mr. gray was meant to be brought. the protesters have now moved to the -- they are moving to the intersection here. and it is not clear why. there is several hundred protesters out here at this point. throughout the afternoon, the numbers were as big as 2,000 people out here in these protests. they have been mainly peaceful but moments of great, great anger as we saw earlier, not directed at us. they are happy the press is out here covering this something they say hasn't gone on and

something they are saying are unhappy with the government and the mayor here. they want the six officers arrested on first-degree murder charges. they will take over the area around the city hall starting on thursday and will stay there until there is justice. anderson. >> miguel gray's patients were there earlier and his mom collapsed. how did the crowd react when they showed up? >> reporter: it was chaotic. but it was extraordinarily moving as soon as they showed up. his parents that we have not seen so far, they came out, they came out and they were -- and they were unable to talk for the most part because his mother was so overwhelmed with grief. they marched from here to the police station where she didn't want her -- her face shown. when they got to the point where her son was arrested, they embraced and they cried and they let out the longest and hardest

wail i've heard. it was extraordinarily hard to hear as everybody around them was loud and their arms in the air. >> and the mayor said she is fighting to bring back trust. stephanie rawlings-blake is with us. when and how was freddie gray fatally injured. at this point have you gotten any answers? >> well i want to thank the members of the public who have come forward to give us video evidence as well as testimony. because i'm determined to get to the bottom of it. we still have a lot of unanswered questions. what we know is that when the police first encountered mr. gray he was able to talk he was responsive we saw him run, we saw him walk we knew that his -- he did not look like he had any physical injuries.

what we also know is that very shortly thereafter when he was removed from the van, he was unresponsive. we know that requested medical attention and that attention wasn't immediately requested for him. >> when did he request medical attention? i'm sorry, when did he request medical attention? when he was being put in the van? >> several points. between one and three times, we have documented that he's requested medical attention. there is one that we caught on the video, where he's asking for an inhaler and another request for medical attention as documented in the time line that we published yesterday. so we know that there was at least one -- or more times where he requested medical attention. and that is concerning. any human being that requests medical attention in a city

as -- that is known around the world for their -- their medical expertise, that we should be able to do better than that. so that is a concern of mine and the police commissioner who has made it very clear in re-issued policy and procedures in the department what they are to do when they have an individual in custody that requested medical attention, that person will get medical attention immediately. >> when he was in the back of the police vehicle was he there by himself? was there an officer present with him? >> no officer present. there was -- there were two stops made and by the second stop or the third there was an additional suspect placed in the van. but -- had no ability to contact. there are two separate sections of the van so the person was not in the same section as mr. gray. >> yesterday or several days ago there was a statement not sure from you or somebody else in city hall it seemed whatever

happened to mr. gray happened after he was placed in custody, once he was in the van but in the video it seems like his legs are -- i don't know if you can say -- i don't want to use the world paralyzed but he didn't seem to be using his legs. he's being dragged. do you believe that whatever happened to him occurred before he was put into the van? >> i -- i said yesterday that i believe something happened while they were in the van. that is based on what i can see and i'm piecing together. i wasn't there. the police commissioner wasn't there and nor were the deputy commissioner there and what is most important, not necessarily what my conjecture is but what is most important is we get to the bottom of what happened. and that is why it is so important as we started off by saying we have more people come forward with any information. any eyewitnesses out there, we want to hear from them. i don't know at what point mr. gray suffered the traumatic and

fatal injuries i don't know. but i'm determined to get to the bottom of it. >> what have the police actually told you? because my understanding is there is actually a cooling-off period so-called, where authorities are not allowed to interview the police officers on the scene? is that true? and if so why is that? and people would think it has been more than eight or nine or ten days why isn't there a clear timeline or a clear blow by blow for lack of a better term in terms of what happened? haven't they been interviewed? >> there is a clear time line and we are trying to use testimony and testimony from the public to support the timeline that is already published by the police department. >> but you are saying you don't know what happened exactly what happened. we are past a week. how can at this point, you the mayor of the town not know

exactly what happened or have all of the police officers have given their full accounts? >> i was getting to that. the officers who were at -- who were directly involved because of our law enforcement officers' bill of rights, we have yet to fully engage those officers. and we will get to the bottom of it. i'm determined to make sure we have a full investigation and we follow all of the rules and procedures. so if there was a -- there is a finding of wrongdoing that we have done everything possible to protect policies and procedures so we can hold those individuals accountable. i know that there is an interest and a frustration about the amount of information but can you imagine the frustration if we screw this up. and i want to make sure -- and we are pushing out as much information as we can as we can confirm it. >> and there is no doubt. you have been very forth right with the information you have. but the people on the streets tonight when they hear about the

officers' bill of rights they wonder why those officers get so long before they have to account for had a happened. how long according to the bill of rights in baltimore, do offers have before they have -- the officers have to give an accounting? >> there are two time periods. a time period to which they have an attorney and a time period after that. and i'll say that i was in our state capitol fighting for stronger laws when it comes to -- stronger reforms when it comes to the lawsuit officers' bill of rights. i was down there, one of a handful of elected officials fighting to give our police commissioner more tools to hold officers accused of wrongdoing accountable. the fact that there is a perception of an uneven playing field between the police and the community is not lost on me and that is why i was fighting so hard and i'm looking forward to have more supporters down there fighting along with me next

session to get better reforms and tools in place to hold the officers accountable. we've made a lot of progress in baltimore. lawsuits against the city against the police department under my administration have gone down just courtesy complaints excessive use of force complaints are going down but we have a lot of progress to do and it significantly hampers our ability to -- to bridge or to repair the relationship with the community and the police when something this tragic happens. that is why i'm determined to debt it right and i'm determined to work with anyone. i know the department of justice is going to be here investigating. i want them to take a look at this and i want to get it right for the community. mr. gray's family deserves justice and our community deserves an opportunity to heal and get better and make sure this doesn't happen again. >> i have two more questions. one, i want to ask you about the protesters outside and your

concerns and your hopes of what you will see for tonight. but first, how concerns are you -- the initial reports say that the police basically made eye contact with mr. gray and that he turned around and started running away and the police pursued him and tackled him. is that appropriate? there is an account i believe from a police officer saying somebody saw a knife clipped to his -- the front of one of his pockets, some people have raised questions about whether that is the case. but is is simply not wanting to interact with the police cause for being stopped in baltimore? >> i'm an attorney by trade and i spent a significant amount of time serving as member of the city as an attorney with the public defender's office. i know what probable cause is. i haven't heard probable cause in this case yet. that is one of the questions that i want answered. i know that having a knife is not necessarily probable cause

for a stop or an arrest. that is why i have significant questions about what happened and that is why i'm determined to get to the bottom of it. we are working very hard i've spoken to the governor today that controls the medical examiner's office as soon as you can release concrete information about what you are seeing with the autopsy, please release it to the family and to the public to we can continue to put out as much information as possible while we are conducting this investigation. i want to make sure that we get this right, that we continue to put out as much information as possible. and that again, i'm determined that something like this not happen again in our city. >> and to the protesters tonight, what do you want them to know? >> that i hear them. that i share their frustration. i haven't heard what the probable cause was. i haven't heard the cause of this fatal, very serious fatal

injury. i share your concerns. i group -- i grew up in baltimore and i know our history and that is why i've worked so hard in my career and time in public service trying to make things better in baltimore. it is clear that we have more work to do. we also -- we also have a history, however, of peaceful protests and respectful protests and i will work and the police department is committed and i've instructed them to work to might sure the voices of the community are heard. they deserve to be heard. they have a right to be heard. and we'll make sure we protect that right. >> madam mayor, thank you very much for your time. we appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. >> when we come back we'll tackle the answered questions and unanswered. set your dvr so you don't miss it. and up next iran and yemen.

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protest yores and police facing off in baltimore. whether you disagree or not with the baltimore police department at this point there are mr. questions. you've heard that from the mayor. and once again migez joins us from the protest site. >> a lot of anger from the streets here of west baltimore. protesters on the move again. moving from the western district police station, back i believe, to where mr. gray was arrested. there are so many questions though about the timeline. the police released the timeline early on but then said that mr. -- mr. gray was -- the van he was in stopped once and it

turns out they stopped twice. people here want answers to those very serious questions -- >> and we want them now. >> reporter: they say the freddie gray transport took not one stop but three, a long route and a long time before officers realized that gray was seriously injured. his family coming out publicly for the first time today. this map shows where gray was arrested. where he was initially placed in a police van screaming in pain his legs apparently not fully functional. >> his legs are broke. look at his legs. >> at 8:45 a.m. the police make a stop at baker and mount streets, just around the corner where he was arrest. his legs are shackled and then they drive to 1100 druid avenue they say to check on his condition and then they drive to pick up another prisoner and then drive him to the western district police station where an

ambulance is called. police say that time is 9:24 a.m. a lawyer for the gray family disputes the police timeline. >> they don't know when he was injured. >> reporter: the 25-year-old died sunday one week after falling into a coma follow ago rest by baltimore police. the witness who shot this video of the arrest and does not want to be identified said before he started recording, police were billion physically tough with gray. >> they had freddie gray bent up into what i would like to call a pretzel type of move where the heels of his feet to his back and a knee in the back of his neck. >> we'll check in with miguel marquez throughout. and joining us now sunny hostin a federal prosecutor working in the baltimore area and friends with baltimore mayor and retired new york police detective harry

houck. it is ten days and not a lot of answers. does that surprise you? >> it does surprise me. because you have the spotlight on baltimore. and you now have six officers that have been suspended and i feel at this point we have very little information. we're talking about a man who was fine before police custody and then suffered a tragic fatal injury. how is it possible that we don't know more. that just doesn't make sense to me and giving everyone a sense of opaqueness and a lack of transparency in the investigation. and understand everyone wants to get it right. i think it is time that we provide answers. >> professor copalin ski, three fracture vertebrae and a crushed voice box, what does that tell you about what went on? >> it is difficult to understand. i don't see how he could have yelled and spoken if the larynx had been crushed. i will say this though. >> this is a dumb question.

are we talking about the adams apple? >> yes. the vocal chords. but the damage to the spinal cord could have occurred either in a one-step or a two-step situation. if the vertebrae had been fractured, and displaced, that could have severed the cord in one shot. on the other hand had the fractures taken place, and then subsequent to that that freddie gray had been transported, and his head perhaps underwent rotation or lateral movement or something else the fractured vertebrae could have severed the cord. so it could have happened in two stages. but it does appear that the initial trauma occurred before he entered the van. >> harry, i talked to the mayor about the initial interaction that led to the place running after mr. gray. she said she doesn't see evidence of probable cause.

there had been report of possibly seeing the clip of a switchblade in his pocket or of a knife. exactly what is required for probable cause? >> you don't need probable cause to make a stop u. need what is called reasonable suspicion. and the officers' reasonable suspicion based on what i read is they saw a clip for the knife in his front pocket. that is their story. okay. so based on that they made a stop. he ran. and the officers engaged him. >> sonny, do you buy that? mark gehrig os last night said maybe we saw that and then later on see that. >> i rarely agree with mark gehrig os but you would have to have x-ray vision to see a knife in someone's front pocket. but i agree if someone is running in a high crime area that would give police officers reasonable suspicion perhaps to

pursue and perhaps to stop and frisk, but i still don't understand after that if in fact the knife was legal, i don't understand how it endsp in an arrest and even if there is an arrest and if the knife was illegal which some knives in maryland are -- because i'm a maryland lawyer. >> some are illegal. and allegedly what he had was a switchblade. >> we don't know for sure. if that is the case i still don't understand how the police report indicates that the arrest was without incident and force and you have a dead man. so regardless of why he was stopped, i don't understand why he's dead. >> harry, you worked in internal affairs and other assignments and i talked to the mayor about the bill of rights which gives them a period of time to make a statement and you were talking during the break and you said they have the right just as everybody else to not make a statement. >> exactly. i don't know what the bill of

rights are and what the union is and here in new york if an officer is involved in something where there might be criminal charges against him, he doesn't say anything. that is where you have detectives to conduct the investigation. now, attorneys will come right in there, for those police officers, and they'll tell them to keep their mouth shut and talk to them. >> does a police officer -- let's talk about new york and where you are, does a police officer in new york have to immediately though fill out a report detailing step by step what happened in this arrest or -- >> no. >> they don't? >> no. if he feels this report could somehow harm him, there is other officers on the scene and detectives coming on the scene to conduct the investigation. the lawyers will tell them keep your mouth shut just like anybody else police are afforded the same rights as anyone else. >> that is run of the reasons perhaps why the mayor doesn't have the full facts of what has happened because as she said in the interview, they haven't been

able to get statements from all of the officers. >> they haven't been able to get statements. and i think when you talk about legislation and the law enforcement bill of rights people have been trying to reform the rights because of this very reason. i do believe -- >> you still can't stop that. >> i do believe that an officer who arrests someone should be able to fill out the police incident report. as a matter of course harry, you know that the police incidents reports are always filled out after an arrest and why do these officers don't have to fill out a police incident report because somebody has died in their custody. >> because of the possibility of them being prosecuted just line anybody else. >> and that is this is -- this is an appearance of opaqueness. >> this won't take away the rights of the police officer. they can take those rights away all they want they have the basic rights that every american does in this country. >> we'll take a short break and

we'll come back with harry, sonny and we'll come back to follow incidents with miguel marquez. and tonight, in the standoff with iran and the sea off of yemen. a lot more ahead. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these occasional digestive issues... with 3 types of good bacteria. live the regular life. phillips' meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? it's red, white and blue. log on to learn more.

breaking news in the naval showdown with iran in the sea off of yemen. one of several potentially significant developments in the story today. barely a day after u.s. warships including the theodore roosevelt began to steam there to arm off houthi forces a key player made a big announcement.

saudi arabia which backs the yemen government said it was ending the air-strikes, declaring them successful. the iran government called it a positive development. the white house welcomed it as well. and at the same time talking with miss matthews president obama had a warning, a warning to anyone seeking to destabilize that part of the world. >> we want -- when it comes to the seas we are obviously the dominant force and we're coordinating slowly -- closely with all of the allies in the region sending a message that rather than another conflict in the region we need to settle this now. >> clearly things are happening and chief national security correspondent jim sciutto is here with the developments. what are the latest with where the u.s. ships are and how this could play out. >> the ships are distributed along here. in the southern red sea and the straits and you have saudi ships

and egyptian ships and the uae and the iranians and still in international waters the idea that they are close enough to keep watch over them but not in a position whether there are plans to board them or blockade them. the president said this is sending a message to the iranians but to the gulf allies that the u.s. will continue to have their back even as it is in the midst of the sensitive negotiations over the nuclear hoe gram. this is about message sending because everybody knows if a u.s. ship were to block or board an iranianship that would raise the tensions here to almost an act of war and so they are trying to send that message without taking that step. >> and the manned ships off of yemen, what are they looking for? >> and this is the u.s. theodore roosevelt moved down from the arabian sea, up here against isis in iraq and syria, down

because of the events in yemen, not just the deterioration of the situation there but the iranian convoy and you have faa team hornets flying recognizance watching the convey, saying we are watching you and we know you are there and we know you might have weapons on board and we don't know that but to give that message, as the president said in his comments to nbc, the intention is to ratchet down the intention and not ratchet it up and they are communicating in part with all of the military assets you send more arms to yemen and will you make the situation worse and not better. >> and saudi arabia ending the bombing saying it is successful and do we know if that is true. >> i'll send it back to the map to show you saudi arabia across the border. >> was with the saudi ambassador last week who said they are fully committed to the situation

and be there for the long haul and six days later they said it is all accomplished seems an abrupt end. the first stage is over. they have gotten the ballistic missiles that they see as a threat to saudi arabia and the neighbors in the regions doesn't mean it is an end to all military action by saudi arabia in yemen. but it is a significant step. so keep in mind the folks uncomfortable with this saudi arabiay air campaign iran among them called it a genocide not that saudi arabia is obeying iran but this is a sensitive military operation and there were civilian deaths from this. so you see the saudi stepping back ratcheting down the military action. but i'm told from the u.s. perspective, it doesn't look like a complete end to the saudi action going forward. >> jim scuitto, i appreciate the

update. i want to talk about what is happening on the ground and the high seas. there is a lot of tension and potential for tension in this conflict. joining us now host of gps here on cnn and retiring commander keith loop hold. far he'd how big of a potential flash point is this right now. u.s. warships in close proximity to iranian vessels. >> it could be a flash point because yemen is important. what yemen has become is a cockpit for the regional ambitions and the designs for the two great powers in iran and saudi arabia. and that is what is playing itself out. there are no larger issues involved. think about the absurdy of what is going on. the saudis are bombing the houthis who are rebelling

against the government. who is leading that. mr.salli the dictators of yemen who was backed by saudi arabia. so saudi arabia is bombing the very dictator it supported for 30 years. so it is really just a power play. and it is important to say the saudi air-strikes largely failed because what you have to have is a power sharing deal. and yemen has been in a state of civil war since 1962 and these guys are playing a local play of power play and the united states would be well vised not to get involved much more deeply than it is. it is trying to calm the waters down but we have no dog in this fight and we should make sure we don't -- the interest of saudi arabia are not identical to those of the united states. >> really the only interest the u.s. has in yemen of yemen being used by al qaeda in the rainan

peninsula -- arabian peninsula. >> just so that al qaeda or isis could get there. and from a perspective from the united states any order is fine we just need order. >> and they are showing this as a show of force but any time a u.s. aircraft carrier are in the waters there is a danger inherent to it. >> there always is to it. but when the aircraft carrier comes into the region the planes can say who is there and where and how many days or hours is it until they get into any kind of yemeni territorial waters so we can understand where the ships are and provide aid or intelligence to the saudis so if they choose to interdict them they can. i think fareed is correct.

yemen is a between the two large players of saudi arabia and iran. with the navy being there, obviously we are sending a strong signal we do have a dog in this fight in that we consider it vitally important to maintain the sea lanes of communication open. open to the strait and the south end of the arabian sea so commerce and goods not interfered with should this enter into a larger conflict. >> commander could you see u.s. personnel board iranian vessels or is that left up to saudis or others? >> i would think at this point, anderson we would leave it to the saudis and remain disengaged disengaged i don't believe we could do it. the only circumstance where it would happen should be the iranian ships enter yemeni waters and then being in their waters if the government in exile were to make a request to

the united states government we would review that and determine should we let a boarding party board. but the countries know how to board other ships. they are practiced at it and seen us doing it for years. they are knowing what they are doing and more than capable. it is up to us to help them get the intelligence to do it. >> good to have you on. a surprising case of a volunteer deputy shooting and killing a suspect instead of tazing him. and up next blue bell recalling their ice cream from stores, up next.

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protests winding down in baltimore after hundreds of people want justice in the death of freddie gray. billy murphy is one of the attorneys representing mr. gray's family. and he joins me know. mr. murphy thank you for being with us. i know you hoped to gaut the autopsy report and the body returned to the family by now. do you have any indication of when the police will share the report with you and release his body? >> none whatsoever. and an expedited autopsy under these circumstances is fairly

rare. >> for the officers' involved in mr. gray's arrest what do you want to see happen with them with respect to them? >> well it is too early to do anything expect speculate about the degree to which any one of them in particular is involved in this case. what we want is justice. we don't want to rush to justice. and we're willing to be patient to let these investigations play out. so that we can get everything exactly right. >> i talked to the mayor at the top of this broadcast and she said she, a. doesn't see evidence of probable cause in the initial apprehension of mr. gray. and she also clearly does not have all of the information that she would like to have. what do you make of the fact that ten days after the arrest and death of mr. gray there is still -- isn't a complete set of facts here? >> well i applaud the mayor for

admitting that there is no probable cause here. there isn't. running while black is not a crime. and there is to such thing as felony running. and a good argument can be made that the only thing the kid did that was wrong is he didn't run fast enough. if there is any case to show why black people should run from the police this is the case. and the mayor is at the mercy of the police. and all of us are skeptical about whether the police can accurately and honestly investigate themselves especially given the long history of them not doing that and covering up these brutality incidents. and thank god for cell phone video because that brings this a new date and that brings on the need for police cameras. and this would not have happened had police been wired up with cameras that rodded their --

recorded their mom. >> the department of justice is looking into the investigation and for civil rights investigations. have you been able to talk with the family whether they might be able to accomplish that. >> the family welcomes a new set of eyes and they especially trust eric holder in light of his past performance on these kinds of issues. and so they welcome this investigation with open arms. >> billy murphy i appreciate you time. >> back with our panel. sonny, in terms of the investigation, where does it go from here? >> think billy -- i think billy murphy makes a good point. i'm uncomfortable with baltimore police department investigating its own. we've seen that is not the right way to do it. you should have a separate investigative team investigating this. it has been ten days and we haven't heard from the police. and they do have the same rights

that everyone else has, but they have lawyered up and haven't spoken and now how do you expect the baltimore police commissioner to investigate his own. and you have to have someone come in with a fresh set of eyes to look at this case. >> and harry, to that sort of independent civilian review? >> i have no problem with the -- the attorney general coming in and taking a look at it. they did a good job in the eric holder case -- in the other case in ferguson. i have no problem with eric holder u.s. attorney coming in and investigating this case and i don't think the police department should have any problem with that either. >> how much can the family at this point learn from an autopsy, professor? >> well you know we haven't seen x-rays we haven't seen the autopsy report. hopefully, the autopsy has been done by a board-certified forensic examiner rather than a hospital pathologist because those autopsies are quite

different. >> really? >> oh, absolutely. board certified forensic examines are trained first of all to be cynical and to examine the exact damage to the vertebrae and see what possible mechanisms might explain -- >> and that is critical to find what mechanism would have caused the damage to the vertebrae, whether it was a instrument like a baton or a fall or what? >> would totally agree with that yes. so there is a lot we can learn from the autopsy. but i think what we also need is to establish a better timeline. and also to keep an open mind. because strange things can happen. the police could have, for example example, tackled mr. gray and he could have dropped in such a way where there was a great deal of force. his body weight plus the pressure of the tackle that brought him down creating tremendous forces on the cervical vertebrae. so how the vertebrae were broken

is a critical piece of this. it could not have been a baton or an accident. but certainly we won't know the answer until we have a real clear time line of what happened. and again, i say the cord could have been partially severed or happened in two stages. things could very well have happened in the van and the van could have jolted and that would have triggered the break of the spinal cord. >> thank you. good to have you on. sonny hawk as well. on the top of the next hour the dangers of a drug you might not be aware of. stay tuned for drew griffin, "deadly high: how synthetic drugs are killing kids."

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tonight in the injuries of a fatal death of a man in baltimore. more from miguel where protests are winding down. >> it looks like things are winding down but a very intense day with the parents of freddie gray making a first emotional public appearance and protesters numbering at one point of about 2,000 people here in front of the police station promising to be back here tomorrow in just the same amount of numbers. today the biggest they have seen and tomorrow promising more and on thursday night they are promising to go to the city hall and take over that until they see what they want. and that is the arrest of those six officers who they say are culpable of first-degree murder. mr. freddie gray who was taken and arrested just several blocks from here. the people here tonight saying they will not rest until they see justice. it is the most impressive

showing we've seen so far and we expect in the days athey had this is going to grow. clearly the death of freddie gray has woken up people in this neighborhood. anderson miguel marquez. thank you. and we'll see you at 11:00 for an edition of ac360. deadly high starts now. >> the following is a cnn special report. >> i don't think he's breathing at all there. >> we need somebody now. >> he started to foam at the mouth, convulsing uncontrollably. >> this is the only time we've reached out to a school system, to the university and said hey, there's this danger on the streets. >> deadly new drugs on america's streets. >> it was nothing like anything i've had before. the trees look like cauliflowers, like dancing around. >> designed to evade the law. >> once they alter that chemical, it is no longer a controlled substance. >> and to maximize profit. >> we process, you know, $40,000 to $50,000 a month in credit card payments.