i'm don lemon. thanks for watching. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening, new demonstrations on the streets of baltimore, including a sunset confrontation between protesters and police. [ crowd yelling] it happened just a short time ago outside a police station where a freddy gray was taken to the hospital and later died. and now we have new video, the last known images of mr. gray on the way to the police station. he was loaded for the second

time in a police van and we have the eye witness of the person being dragged to the van and he believed that his friend had already sustained the spinal injuries that would later take his life and we will hear from advocates of police who say otherwise. >> reporter: new video shows freddy gray minutes after his initial arrest. the last time he was seen publicly and alive. it shows gray not moving lying half in and out of the police van. >> he wasn't responding. he was down and his feet was like this and they picked him up and threw him up in the paddy wagon. >> this is a block from where freddy gray was arrested. he was arrested just around the corner and this is where they pulled him out of the van to

shaqqal his feet and the was a woman across the street watching it. he looked unconscious to you? >> yes and i asked if they should get him a paramedic and they said to mind my business and i said it is my business. >> a lawyer said any injuries could not have come from the officers. >> our position is something happened in the van, we just don't know what. >> he said his older brother died in street violence and freddy gray's family is in disbelief. >> just because he was running down the street and this police decided he wanted to stop him, now he a bad person. so someone deserved to be taken or deserve for running down the street. you don't know he a bad person

when he run. >> why you dragging him like that. >> and ceownau who also only wants to use her first name shot this video, she said he only said one thing to her that day. >> when i ran up the street and seen him, the first thing i ask was is he okay and he never said yesory no he said i can't breathe. >> one thing consistent with every witness statement, this was the spot where freddy was first arrested by police and inexplicably he was dragged to this spot over here and they also tell us that freddy was on his back handcuffed and his legged behind his back and a knee of a officer firmly on his neck neck. what do you hope the police will

hear? >> please stop this. >> miguel what is the size conpaired to other days? >> it is a stand off between many police officers and the demonstrators. part of them went towards city hall tonight and they are blocking traffic in different parts of the city and we expect thousands at city hall and in the 10s of thousands of protesters after that. so it's only growing. >> and the details of mr. gray's funeral? >> sadly, the body hasn't been released to the family. and once it does the lawyer for mr. gray wants to conduct their own autopsy and only then would it be released for the funeral and the pastor said once it's released it will be within days

that he is finally layed to rest. >> and just to underscore how unclear it is as to how precisely he sustained those fatal injuries and no one can say for sure the man who captured video has asked us not to reveal his identity but we spoke just a short time ago. were you there when he started running or what did you first notice? >> i was actually in the bed sleep and one of my relatives came running in the house screaming my name, they're tasing him, they're tasing him and by the time i got to the actual site that it was happening, i didn't see the taser, he was putting it back in the holster rather than tasing him still and then i whipped out my phone and started recording and i was actually behind at

first but, as you can see on the video, i had to run around the van to try to get a better angle and that's what i did and i got there to the site t was terrible. >> weria looke iayou looking through the camera or directly with your eyes and the camera was also on? >> by the time i start recording him, they have him in a crab like -- the heel of his feet were almost in his back and he was already kerfcuffed that time and the police had their knee in his neck and he was like crush his neck really hard. >> you're also recording as they begin to drag him to the van. to you, did it look like he was able to walk? >> to me it didn't like like he was able to use his legs at all. he had no use. i mean they say he was able to put pressure on one leg, but i'm

pretty sure if you took away the help from the officers holding him up he wouldn't be able to stand on his own. as you see, they drag him to the paddy wagon because he can't walk. >> and police have said they actually didn't use the taser? >> i heard the electricity, the noise from the taser, i never seen him getting electrocuted or tased. >> but you didn't see any wires connected to him when he was down? >> no. >> was there any possibility in your mind that he was choosing not to walk? >> i believe whatever they did, it happened right there and it's not in my mind that he is in no way trying to resist or refuse to walk. >> was he yelling something and if so can you tell? >> he had asthma, so he was

asking for an inhaler, but of course no one paid it any mind and they threw him in the paddy wagon and pulled off. so we take off running to see what is going on and by the time we get there, there's three more officers and the paddy wagon officers surrounded him with the bike guys, so we couldn't get a visual on freddy at the time. >> we talked to the lawyer and she said there's been no probable cause to arrest him at all. a police officer said they saw a clip that they believed was a knife, turned out to be some sort of a spring loaded knife. a, is that something you know that he carried and b, do you believe that they actually saw that? >> first of all, whatever they saying that he had it wasn't worth his life. you didn't have to kill him and ive never known freddy to carry

any type of women. he's 110 poinds soaking wet and i don't believe for any second he would be aggressive to police because we know police brutality is prevalent and we see it every day, so no i don't believe those guys felt threatened in any time of way and i believe they over did it and don't want to admit it. >> i appreciate you talking about what you saw. and also for your videotape. >> no problem, man, thank you. >> now, a different perspective. joining us a jean ryan and the attorneys who represent the aspended officer ss. can you explain why you believe they didn't commit a crime in the arrest? >> it's based on my experience. i'm a retired police officer and

been involved in investigations in the past and been an attorney for the past 16 years representing police officers in the state of maryland. i've had the opportunity to see what has been provided to the public and to talk to some of the officers involved and based on what i've seen and know of the investigation and the efrds evidence that they currently have, i don't believe there were any criminal acts. >> so how do you think he received the injuries he got? >> i can't explain it at this point. i think video evidence is clear that wh he got into the van, he was standing on his own on the bumper getting into the transport wagon and he was able to turn his head and yell back to the crowd and there didn't appear to be any distress when high got in. >> so you believe he's standing

on his own, because i think they so a guy being dragged and at some point he put some weight on his left leg but he's still being held up and it's not exactly clear what happened rs at the bumper of the vehicle. >> i believe it's his refusal to walk based on the fact that when he is stood up on the bumper he's clearly standing and turning and yelling. >> isn't it the most plausible explanation that that injury occurred before beingplassed in the van? >> you say plausible but we have seen the videotape. the only force you see is him limited to holding the legs down while they're waiting for the transport van. >> how does someone get three

crushed vert bra as they're sitting in the back of a van. >> they're going to have make that determination based on the medical evidence based on the environment inside that transport van to make that determination. >> based on your conversations with the officers do you know if he was strapd in before the van took off. >> what we're getting is that he was not strampped in. >> why would they put leg shaqqals on him? >> it's not unusual for large crowds to begin to gather and be threatening towards the arresting officers it's not undwrulshun unusual to get someone in the wagon as quickly as possible and remove them from the wagon,

depending on their degree of resistance and what they're doing in the back of the van, place leg shaqqals on them in order to get them away from the crowd that has gathered. that's not an unusual circumstance in baltimore. and i would garther not in the rest of the country either. >> and he said he heard mr. gray get tased. to your knowledge was there any taser used? >> there was no taser used. i believe that as mr. gray was running, one of the officers did have a taser and yeld taser, taser, taser as they're required to do but it was never deployed. and he clearly stated that there's no medical evidence that mr. gray was ever tased. >> you know jean it's been 10

days now, we still don't know how freddy gray was fatally injured. is this process taking longer than normal in your opinion or is this normal? >> we're not supposed to give out information in reference to an active on going case so that's nothing unusual. >> it does seem like in other situations, there has been more information released even while an investigation continues, no? >> no we're not supposed to divulge any information in refer ngs to ance to an active investigation. you don't want to take the chance of jeopardizishe ishing the integrity of the information.

and they can be totally opposite down the road. i talked to >> i talked to an attorney who said this is a case of someone running while black. how do you respond to that? >> mr. murphy is a very good attorney and good advocate for his client and he's doing what he believes he should be doing insure that this case continues to get the attention it's getting. >> thank you. and two very different perspectives. you 3rd eye witness say he doesn't feel he's capable of actually walking and there you hear the attorney for the police officer saying because he was standing on the bumper he thinks he could stand. again, the facts are not clear.

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stand offs all evening long but no major incidents to report at least as we've been moving with this crowd of a couple hundred of people. i would describe them as very passionate and angry but peaceful. and they've come to a major intersection and laid down right in the middle of the street blocking traffic and when we asked why, they said because if the police are going to try to barricade us, then we're going to try to disrupt traffic in the city to make our statement. so that's basically what they've been trying to do. and they just stopped traffic again. so we're stopping traffic as weir're moving with the protesters. >> and some perspective. a former federal prosecutor and is a friend of the mayor of

baltimore r and forensic professor. i want to start with you, professor. the lawyer for the police says he does not believe mr. gray's legs were injured or his vert bra was crushed and even though he was being dragged, and he points to a moment where mr. gray appears to be standing or placed on the bumper of the police van before go nothing to the police van. now, he does have someone holding on to him. what do you make of that image. >> if we really can assume that he was standing on his own, that would tell me that the spinal cord was not severely injured, that the severance was not very significant. of course his head was not

restrained and so the second -- secondary damage could have happened in the van where the cord was actually torn. so in other words, the way this works is that the servical vert brai will affect the upper limens but if you have severe damage to the cord it will effect your entire body. so it's not clear to me that he was standing on his own. but i do think it makes no sense that three vert bra would be fracktured in the van. i believe they tackled him, and presumably they fell maybe there was a hyperextension of the neck or hypooextension. >> you can't see how this could have happened in the back of a

van? >> i don't see that. >> because it needs to be some sort of a sharp blow? >> it could be a rotation or blunt impact or a hyperextension putting extraordinary force on vert bra. bones dent break unless you have u.s.a.io osteoperosis. >> and the officers say an officer yelled taser but no taser was discharged. so that could bea question of how could the eye witnesses of heard that sound if there was no taser deployed. but he has no explanation of how these injuries could have happened in the back of the van? >> and i'm surprised about the narrative that has been coming forward from the officers and

that this just happened in the van when he was there by himself. we all know that doesn't make sense and what i'm dumb founded and rersonanderson is that what i'm seeing is someone with no mobility someone being dragged, is that i'm not seeing it can i not trust my eyes. >> let me play devil's advocate. if you are protesting and you don't -- one of the ways you protest v to not -- to just go limp and have the police drag you -- >> that would make sense to me if he didn't die of severe spinal cord injuries that would make sense to me, but that is not what makes sense. so no one can tell me that my eyes are lying. i'm sure harry will tell me that but they're not.

>> let me explain something first. what happens is we see him being dragged and put into the van and then partially standing up. ideaver have to look at the video a lot closer but i don't think one person would be able to keep him standing up and it's one officer. so i think he really is standing there. now, the doctor said that has a theory about a two-stage injury now, maybe when the officers tackled him, the first stage occurred to his spinal column and at the same time they drive away and then we see them shaqling his feet. now, why does police officer shaqqal feet? i know from my experience we only do they when they start acting up. >> so he did it to himself? >> please this is a theory.

kick and so the officers probably had to stop the vehicle and then put the shaqqals on because whied with they do that in the first place? if he can't use his legs why shaqqal him? >> that would be abusive and excessive force. i can tell you just from what we know now that amount of what he was arrested for, any amount of excessive force is unreasonable. >> excessive force yes, but not unreasonable. we don't see in any of these videos excessive force. >> we don't see it but there are injuries. >> we don't see the tackle which i think may be the first part of it. >> he didn't break his own back. >> that's not what i'm say sglging. >> thank you.

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as we watch protests unfolding in the death of freddy gray. and the mayor acknowledges that people who live in some of baltimore's toughest neighborhoods say it's a given. large pay outs including a pregnant woman and a church deacon speak loudly to what they say is a larger problem with police brutality in baltimore. >> black men don't have to die. >> it's been dubbed originally woult irony, "charm city." they've long held a reputation of being one of the most

dangerous places with brutality on both sides of the badge. it's a reputation that freddy gray's death has brought to life again. he was young, african american had a slew of previous drug related arrests and spent time in the housing projects in short, he represented one of the most watched populations, watched by foot patrol and watched by millions in television despikes. baltimore has served as the go to example of urban tension in shows like "the wire" or "homicide, life on the streets" shows with neighborhoods dotted with death. and this shows 211 homicides in the city last year. so far, 2015 has seen 63. these numbers are vastly better than previous decades when crime

was notoriously high. more than 350 in 1993 alone. and it's a dangerous job that's difficult to do without criticism. today, the baltimore police department is waurkorking hard and posting successful busts. it's an effort to which the mayor is proud. >> i think more than had a challenging job we've made a lot of progress. >> but videos such as these showing officer brutality, residents say it's all too common. >> freddy gray isn't the only one they've beat up in this last two weeks. >> they reported that the city

had paid 5.7 million dollars in settlements since 2011. this includes 6 figure settlements for slamming a pregnant woman to the ground and for killing an unarmed marine veteran and beating a church deacon. >> i've heard the complaints and it's clear there's more work still to be done. >> and the department of justice will investigate the force once again. >> we need stronger enforcement and more tools to hold officers accused accountable. >> that was jake tapper reporting. i want to bring you the baltimore son reporter who wrote the report. and your investigation, more

than 100 cases, former lawsuits against the city of baltimore alleging police brutality or excessive force. how do you view what happened in relation to freddy gray? >> they nearly all showed that they were questionable arrests. and the mayor has called into question the probable cause and i think we can put that into similar context and what let to our arrest was that most all of the cases were dropped and they were charge would disorderly conduct, assault on a police officer, the suspects received severe injuries broken bones, battered faces, some needed surgery to repair these injuries they later sued and the city either settled the cases or juries awarded damages. >> so in nearly all cases, the

charges against the suspect actually ended up being dropped? >> that's correct. some of the patderns that emerged pretty quickly was those were common charges. the officers feared for the safety they had to take defensive action nobody was prosecuted on those charges, they were all dismissed. >> how common was it for police to actually face charge snzs? >> we didn't find any examples of that. there were complaints matedde to internal affairs and the department admitted they didn't have a good track system. we found multiple officers sued multiple times and the city didn't realize it until we pointed it out. they have since vowed to change it. >> what do you make of all this?

>> that really puts this gray case in perspective. because baltimore has had a history of having police brutality and the fact that now we have the police investigating the police doesn't give me much confidence in this particular investigation. we know that the baltimore city police department has now interviewed five out of the six officers. they plan to wrap up their investigation may first and then hand it over to the police officer. you have the officers investigating themselves. >> and the fact that freddy gray just made eye contact with a police officer and ran away and that set all this in motion. does that surprise you, should that and they say the stop was justified because the neighborhood had been designated a high crime neighborhood?

>> many of it lawsuits, they said the police pulled up and in the gray case they were identified in uniforms and a lot of the ones we were look at were called knock sersknockers in plain clothes. that's not uncommon in this city. >> how fast do you think this investigation -- when you -- i mien mean it's been 10 days and the order of the police said this seems normal to me. >> and this does. ant seem normal because the family hasn't received the body and a lot of the cases, we've had more information given to us as the media by the police. you think about the case in ferguson we had every single bit of information from -- about michael brown, we had very

little information about the police officers. >> does this seem like a long investigation to you? >> it seems pretty quick. one officer was sued five times and we uncovered a video that disputed everything he said. he said he had to defend his safety and we uncovered video showing that guy gets knocked out and gets cuffed and he's been collecting a paycheck on suspension with pay. >> and thank you, mark very much. and thank you, sonny as well. and had the florida mailman caused a major security scare promised to warn authorities in advance of his flight. the question is did he really make an honest effort. my interview with him is next.

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>> i saw out of nowhere, i saw something straight out of chity chity bang bang flying over the top of me. >> reporter: and he somehow managed to avoid detection by radar. when the 61-year-old landed on the steps of the capital, they arrested him and charged him with violating airspace and a felony he was issued an ankle monitor until he returns to a d.c. courtroom next month and he's been banned from flying any type of aircraft. despite her father's legal woe rr res her father is down right proud. >> he's a patriot. he did it for the country. >> reporter: and now he may land in jail. >> what he did caused a major

scare and when i spoke to him earlier, i wanted to find out if he had contacted law enforcement as he promised he would. so, dug, when you took off last wednesday, you didn't really believe you were going to be able to deliver these letters to people on capital hill did you? >> no i was pretty confident i would be able to go all the way through. >> i mean actually get off your helicopter and go all the way to deliver the letters. it sounds like a stunt? >> i was pretty sure i would be taken into custody. >> so what was the point because people have been not talking about campaign finance but this person who flew to the capital hill. >> and people are saying what was this about. >> i get it was about campaign

financing but frankly, you spent a lot of taxpayer money in police time and made a lot of people worried in law enforcement and i'm wondering was it worth it? >> if they spent a lot of money cleaning up after my stunt and it results in an honest government it's the best money ever spent. >> do you think taxpayers should have to pay for you doing this stunt. i'm calling it a stunt because it seems like it was designed just to get attention and media attention. >> it was designed to get attention on the problem of corruption in congress. >> you told the tampa bay times that you were going to give authorities well over an hour in advance warning before you got to the fly zone of what you

intended to do. did you do that? >> yes. >> who did you call? >> i didn't call. i sent a delayed email and i emailed info at barack obama.com. i don't think a call that i am going to fly in would have been taken anymore seriously than my email would have been. my email was tied to the story breaking in the tampa bay times when gave it credibility. a simple call to a 911 operator. >> you don't think a call to a 911 operator saying i'm gyrocopter and i'm going to capital hill and i'm flying through restricted airspace wouldn't have been taken

seriously? >> no. >> then why not just do that. >> nobody at 911 can decide not to shoot me down. >> you're under house arrest and facing four years in prison. do you think this was worth it? >> i don't know if it was worth it until i seethis is over and the next election and that's what makes it worth it. just ahead, we'll update you on the breaking news out of baltimore. new protests well into the night.

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passionate. you have police cars kind of ringing the route that we're walking but they don't necessarily know where to go because the protesters are kind of winging it as far as the route they are taking. we have just a lot of people as you would know from covering ferguson they have a tendency to come toward the camera but the protests have been strong for the last three hours or so. and we're going to turn the camera round and show you the procession here on martin luther lutherer kingluther er king avenue and they say they're coming out in force tomorrow and maybe staying the rest of the night. >> reporter: and migel, where are you? >> reporter: we're that western

district police station. and they have three lines of police. several dozen police officers with other officers with hind them and then officers on horses behind them. there were two arrests earlier in the evening. both of those individuals, i believe, have let go from the police station. and that's one reason protesters are staying here and they say they will be back tomorrow in force. >> miguel thank you very much. and a tear plot targeting churches and a man in a subway fell off a subway platform. with end rounded bristles so brushing doesn't scratch gums and angled perfectly to remove 90% of plaque for a healthier smile. trust the brand more dentists and hygienists use. oral-b.

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let's get the latest on the other stories we're following. >> reporter: french authorities have foiled a terrorist plate to attack churches. and an called for medical help after accidently shooting himself in the head. and they found sign that he was working with someone in syria and her connection with the suspect is unknown. and an flight made an emergency landing after a passenger lost consciousness. they said early reports with the plane's door or. and two unknown men in washington are being called

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