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n from baltimore on his program, cnn tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern. you can follow us on twitter. tweet the show and be sure to join us tomorrow in "the situation room." thanks for watching us. "erin burnett out front" next violence breaking out on the streets there. an angry confrontation between protesters and police. we're going there live. it has been 11 days since freddie gray's arrest. we don't know what led to his arrest or how he died. a top official from the baltimore police department out front. an mrn hostage killed by a u.s. drone. how could intelligence officials not know he was there. let's go out front. and good evening, i'm erin burnett. we begin with the breaking news.
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anger boiling over on the streets of baltimore. a major confrontation between police and protesters a moment ago. our own brian todd was caught in the middle of it all and let me show you. >> let's go over here. watch out. watch out. here they just got another man. we're being -- easy guys. we're being pushed. if you can see what's going on, when they try to arrest someone, they are being swarmed by the protesters. okay. okay. thank you. and some -- >> as you can see this obviously a violent confrontation there between police and protesters. that was moments ago. it comes after days of mostly peaceful demonstrations. i want to show you the live pictures at this moment. protesters are gathering at city haul and the police station again. it has been 11 days since
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freddie gray's arrest. here's what we don't know. what led to his arrest what happened to him in the police van, why has his autopsy not been released and why have we heard nothing from the arresting officers even though five of the six have given formal interviews brian todd is out front on the streets of baltimore. i know that must have been tense last night what you went through on this show was extremely unpleasant. you have been in the middle of a lot of tough scenes. what are you seeing now? >> reporter: erin the situation is tense. they're confronting the police here at the haud quarters of the police. you can see people over here confronting police across the barricades. the police have been very stoic standing still, staring straight
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ahead. they're allowing them to yell and vent their anger which is clearly what the protesters want to do right now. they're chanting no justice, no peace. they are saying they're going to be here for a while. now confrontations earlier with the police that you saw were the result of two arrests that we saw, two men being taken into police vans. one of them being wrestled to the ground. there were objects being thrown in those incidents. there were a couple of objects thrown at the location we are. but vi to say, this crowd has been pretty good so far about policing policing theirself. they're angry, swearing on occasion but they're peaceful. they're self policing because some of the protest leaders have appealed to the people in the crowd not to throw objects. they do not want any more confrontations. >> and brian, how are you
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feeling standing there? i know last night, you know you were treated very poorly by one protester. i i know what happened after the cameras turned away. how are you feeling in terms of how you're being treated as a reporter amidst the crowds? >> reporter: well we're fine here. i mean we don't really feel like we're in danger at the moment. but anything can happen at any moment. but we feel like the crowd is being respectful. they do want to get on kara at sometimes. they want to vent their anger. they want to vent it toward the police and take advantage of the cameras being here. >> thank you very much brian todd. you can see evidence of what brian is talking about behind him right now. and the anger and frustration that you're seeing in baltimore, as brian said much of it directed at the baltimore police commissioner. some of it directed at the mayor. jason carroll is out front.
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>> reporter: both of baltimore's top city officials, the mayor and police chief, have repeatedly promised a thorough investigation. >> i want ever stone unturned. i want everything exposed and i want to look at everything. >> my commitment to the community is we'll get to the bottom of it and go where the facts lead us. >> reporter: their words falling on deaf ears in the neighborhood where police crown fronted freddie gray. this is where critics of the mayorary police commissioner are increasingly vocal. >> you want to put them on snoets? >> the mayor is on notice as well. >> have you been satisfied with her performance up until this point or you've just not been satisfied with her since she's been in office? >> to be truthful with you, i do believe she may have tried to strooi to make some changes but her efforts were not strong enough. >> they've shared the same feelings about the commissioner
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and mayor for some time. >> it sounds like the mayor is reading from the script. the same thing she told freddie gray's family about doing a thurry independent review and investigation, she told me family the same thing. >> jones lost her brother almost two years ago after he was stopped by police on suspicion of carrying a weapon. none was found. police say west violently resisted when they tried to take him into custody. autopsy results showed that west may have died due to a heart condition made worse by the struggle with police but an exact cause of death could not be determined. the state attorney's office cleared the 11 officers of wrongdoing saying force was justified. >> we know how he died. the witnesses in the neighborhood know how he died. >> he was brutally murdered. he was beat to death, pepper sprayed, tased and tossed on the ground like an animal. >> the west family has filed a civil suit against the city. it's still pending.
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they're hoping that the mayor will listen to them now. >> you look my family in the face without crying tears. i told you how we didn't want this to happen to nobody. we can't bring tyrone back but all we're trying to do is save other people's lives. we told you this. stop playing with us and do something. >> enough is enough. thoum how many more people in your city have to die. how many more families have to feel this pain before you use the power that you have to take action? >> reporter: a lot of emotion there from the west family. and a lot of emotion still here in this crowd that you see. you see some people taking pictures behind us. holding up a sign saying "black lives matter." "justice for all." a lot of emotion from people out here who feel angry and upset. it's a small crowd but a vocal
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crowd of people that are out here. they're saying it's not a black issue, not a white issue but they say it's a blue issue, meaning the police that are out here. >> thanks very much to jason carroll maintaining his composure as you've seen on this program. there are some protesters who do want to come out and lead opportunities to get on kara. but by and large the protests that we've seen have been peaceful, incredibly peaceful. out front now, the chief of communications for the baltimore police department. i appreciate you being with me. we just saw moments ago, one of our reporters brian todd on the streets caught up in the middle of a clash between protesters and police. you've seen it. we're showing it again now for our viewers. with five or six police officers and one man who was protesting. we have -- this is something that we had not seen in recent days.
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we've seen swearing, expletives we've seen spitting. we have not seen this. how concerned are you that the situation could escalate? >> people are angry and they're frustrated and we completely understand that. we knew that people were going to be angry and frustrated and they were going to take to the streets to let the nation the police commissioner and all of us know how they feel. but adds you've mentioned and several of the reporters have mentioned that that have been peaceful and that the police officers have remained calm. they've done their best to acquiesce. we have done everything that we possibly can in order to allow the protesters the citizens of baltimore to express their hurt and their anger. but, you know the flip side of
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that is you can't have citizens either putting other citizens or police officers in situations where they can be harmed. and so we hope that things will remain peaceful. we think that's the intention of most of the protesters is to express their feelings and frustration, doing anytime a peaceful manner gets their message out, encourage some change. >> right. >> and we encourage them to do that. >> chief martin one thing i'm confused at is part of the reason there's anger and frustration is because there's been in information or answers, reich? 11 days. five of the six officers have given statements. none of the protesters, no one knows what they said. there's a preliminary autopsy. the police department refers to they say shows there was no violence or bruising on freddie gray. they haven't released that. the body they had for five days before they released the body. they say something happened to him in the splis van but yet we
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still don't have any idea as to what. there's been in answers to any of the questions. why is it taking so long? >> a couple of things there. i don't think that there are going to ever be answers given fast enough given the situation, because people are hurt and people are angry. and as you know just like with any documentary or anything that you all do there is a process. you have to as a police commissioner said he's not going to leave any stone unturned any pebble unturned. he called a briefing for the entire investigative team this morning to have them go through what they have learned thus far. he was very dissatisfied with the amount of things that we have not been able to track down. there's a lot of things that we're still looking to do. but i'll tell you what we did.
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we met with the gray family today and we gave them as many answers as we possibly could. at this point they want to know egg everything that happened. quite frankly so do the police commissioner and i. but we hugged. we prayed at the end of that meeting. we vowed to work together to bring change in baltimore. and i believe they understand that we are doing all that we can to find out what happened to mr. gray. >> all right. thank you very much chief martin. i appreciate your time. and out front now reverend brian. you just heard chief martin say she doesn't thinking she'll be able to get answers fast enough for the people on the streets. they're doing the best they can. what's your response? >> then the best is clearly not good enough. when you realize that this gentleman, mr. gray had absolutely no probable cause for arrest and then finds himself in a coma and then within a week is
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dead is inexcusable, especially with six police officers on paid vacation. it doesn't make any sense to all of the citizens here in baltimore. >> and what about the answers to some of those questions that we don't yet know. what led to his arrest why is there still no autopsy. the autopsy that the police have cited which defends their point of view. why have we not heard what five of those six arresting officers have said in their formal statements? >> because we're seeing a nationally televised conspiracy to protect the police and expose the citizens. anytime the police officers here in the state of maryland have ten days before they can give a testimony, they have free time to get themselves legal aid. but mr. gray was not given due process, wasn't given coverage and these police officers feel as if they have no repercussions. it's a trend across america that they feel like they can kill black men and there not be any
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consequence. >> there are many who believe and agree with what you're saying. there are others who say you have to look at every case individually. and it may appear to be race but in this case it may not be the issue. perhaps he was doing something wrong or he was injured because he fell. this is what some people say. are you open to that possibility? >> i'm not open to that possibility when baltimore had paid out $5.3 million because of aggressive police officers they've given to citizens because they've been out of control. loretta lynch has an incredible task in front of her because the entire justice system has to be scrubbed down from top to bottom from ferguson to stand tornado from staten island to cleveland. the attorney general is going to have to make it her number one priority now that she's now in
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office. >> i appreciate your time, sir. he is planning the funeral services for freddie gray which are scheduled for the weekend. >> protesters chanting no justice, no peace. they're in front of the police department again tonight. freddie gray not the first man to suffer a fatal neck injury in the custody of the baltimore police. it may surprise you but has happened before and we're going to tell you how. an american hostage accidentally killed in an american drone strike. what the white house is saying about it tonight. we all enter this world with a shout and we see no reason to stop. so cvs health is creating industry-leading programs and tools that help people stay on medicines as their doctors prescribed. it could help save tens of thousands of lives every year.
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breaking news. protests in baltimore taking a turn just moments ago. violent clashes with police. demonstrators confronts officers. people throwing punches. some were standing on cop cars. this happening very early in the evening. two people at this point are now in custody at least with altercation that you are seeing happen. state troopers have been called in from the broader state of maryland as crowds are growing large earn and larger demanding justice for freddie gray, a 25-year-old black man who suffered a spinal cord injury in police custody and died. you hear him screaming in pain. this is the image that has so
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many so angry. he's been dragged by police to their van. questions remain though how about he sustained what became a fatal injury. how his spinal cord was severed. this is not the first time a baltimore man died from a spinal injury after a ride in a police van. joe johns is on the streets tonight. and joe, first of all, what is going on where you are tonight? obviously we saw things take a dramatic turn just moments ago. >> reporter: right. we've seen people move in and out of this location. at the moment it's relatively quiet in front of city hall. family members of freddie gray attended a rally a couple of hours ago and also met with the police commissioner. they're still looking for answers. and tonight we're learning a little more about why people in this city are saying that rough ride in a police van may have contributed to his injuries. freddie gray under arrest at
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least partly mobile as he enters a baltimore police van. a police union lawyer says the answer to what killed gray lies in what happened next. >> something happened in that van. we just don't know what. >> if gray wasn't struck by officers then the likely explanation for his severed spine, a fall against the van's metal interior. the police union say it may have been an issue in the past. >> something that people on the street tell us a lot that that happens. my 16 years of representing police officers have i had anyone disciplined for that? no. >> november 2005 don day johnson walking home from a bar stopped here to relieve himself. that offense is usually punished with a ticket but he was arrested and transported to a police station unbelted in a van. at the station johnson complained that the officer was
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driving like an [ bleep ]. i fell and i can't move. take to a hospital he told the doctor the wagon made a sharp turn i fell hitting face first, heard a pop and blacked out. >> clearly it's not a problem with the vans. it's a problem with the van operator. >> like gray johnson had a broken spine. he died just two weeks later. don day johnson's family filed a $100 million lawsuit against the baltimore police. >> regional auto theft task force. >> officer leak who drove the police van testified i did not seat belt him because she thought he had a full bladder. she denied giving him a rough ride want a tactic used against difficult prisoner pps the johnson family won a wrongful death verdict and was aworded $7.4 million. but on appeal was reduced to $500,000. now the gray family is wondering
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if these two cases are more than just coincidence. >> reporter: newly up dated police rules say detainees are to be strapped? before transporting. the police union says that likely didn't happen in the freddie gray case and sometimes it's a little impractical. >> now mark lamont hill is with me and the former nypd officer and secret security officer. i want to start with that image that joe just ended his piece on. this is the side by side image within freddie gray on the right, mr. johnson on the right. these are both men who were put into baltimore police vans and these pictures are eerily similar. >> but there are probably a thousand owe people who would look the same way with those injuries and they didn't happen in the police van. unlike the case of mr. johnson,
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we have a videotape of this man scream in pain before he gets into the van. we have bystanders who say that he was beaten and abused before he got in the van and some doctors suggesting this came from blunt force. could it have happened in the van? absolutely. there's something called diesel therapy. what it means you shackle prisoner give them a rough ride and it causes them damage and harm. but there's plenty of evidence the to suggest that it happened before. they're trying to get the officers off and blame the boogie man in jail so that nobody goes to jail. >> that sounds like a distinction they're trying to draw. they're said that something happened in the van. they're trying to put anytime the van because clearly they think legally that will be better for the police officers. again i speak as a citizen when i say if you're in police custody and this happens to you in the van or outside the van, what difference does it make to
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quote hillary clinton. >> intent matters, here erin. and mark mentioned diesel justice. i've never heard of that before. i don't know if he got that out of a book. i was a cop. i don't remember anything called diesel justice. you arrested someone, transported them to the station. that was really it. now i don't know what happened in this case. nobody does. if we did, we'd have breaking news at this point. but intent matters. was it a rough ride because it was just a rough bumpy ride or was it intentional in that's the distinction here. and i don't think jumping to conclusions is responsible. >> dan, hold on. let me jump in here. mark will probably want to make this point. let me again show the original video here of freddie gray crying out in pain and his legs clearly not working. when he got in the van it looked like he was able to stand, a bit of a recovery. but it's hard to say he was
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completely fine when he got in the van. >> that's a valid point. i'm not suggesting this was a text book operation either. we would say at a scene like this in new york, call a bus, a bus meaning an ambulance and you have what's called an aided case. and the ambulance would transport that person and you would vo sit on him in the hospital until he could go to court and be seen for the initial hearing. we probably could have handled things differently on this one. but suggesting that he was somehow thrown around in the van. do you realize this force it take to fracture someone's spine? i've been in two brutal car accidents and i've never fractured a spine, thank the lord. you'd have to give someone a pretty rough ride intentionally to do that. >> my suggestion isn't that something happened in the van. my point is that the police say something happened in the van is absurd. diesel justice is one of the
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terms that emerges. >> not from cops. >> i agree with you. what i'm saying is there a is long history of the vans having the capacity to produce violence. >> how do you know that? >> based on prison reports. >> you know how i know the opposite? i was a cop. >> i understand. >> no you don't. >> if you let me finish you'll understand. you were a police officer, not a prison guard. i'm only talking about the capacity of the vehicles. you're making a case that it didn't happened in the van. >> no i'm not. >> please let me finish. >> no i didn't. >> you're saying it would take something hard and impactful worse than your car accident to cause damage like that to somebody in the van. i think it happened before he got in the van. i'm basing that on the videotape that i saw and basing it on the police claim that this guy ran from him and a few minutes later he couldn't run anymore before he got to the van. i don't think it's a huge leap
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of logic to say if someone is running and they no longer have the capacity to run, something stopped them from having the capacity to run. >> don't you understand it's a tad bit irresponsible for you to say that. you don't know. you have no idea what those cops do. for all we know -- >> i agree. >> freddie may have been beaten by police, freddie may have got nn a bike accident. >> the police aren't claiming he got in a bike accident. >> to be clear, he was running down the street. he was completely fine before the altercation with the police. we do know it happened post arrest in police custody. >> but we don't know if it with us a violation of use of force rules. >> right. >> i don't know that. it could have been. may not be. we don't know that the police chased him and beat him into a fractured spine either. >> i never said that. what i said is that first of all i'm rejecting the police claim that there's no evidence that anything violent happened prior to entering the van.
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that's absurd on its face because he could run before and he could no longer run. i'm saying also it's unlikely that it happened in the van because his injuries seemed to have been sustained before he got in the van based on our own eyes. >> mark you saw none of this with your own eyes. i don't know what you're talking about. you didn't see any of this. you're purely speculating. >> can we roll this tape again? >> no no. mark i'm not talking about -- >> that's what i'm talking about. i'm talking about this thing that america is look at right now where he's attempting to stand and doesn't have the capacity to use husband own legs. i'm saying i saw that and i'm taking the police claim on its face that he ran from them. now he can't walk. something stopped him from being able to walk. yes it's entirely possible that he beat himself. but nobody is claiming that. i'm saying something happened before he got in the van. and even if it happened in the
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van, that's just as bad. that's not exculpatory. >> what about that one point, dan. i want to get you on the record about it. do you agree it's just as bad if it happened in the van in police custody as opposed -- >> no question. >> you think that's equally as inappropriate? >> the intent matters. if the intent is to hurt this man, not to kill him, hurt him and cow do it by tossing him around in the back of a van or beating him with a night stick, it doesn't matter. the moral, ethical and legal consequences should be the same. my only point to mark is mark is saying we see a guy in a police chase, mark is somehow making the leap of faith that the probability is that the police may have been involved in beating him. you don't know that. >> give me another plausible boss oblt of what could have happened. what else could have happened? >> i'm going to handled this responsibly and say i don't
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know. what you can't seem to do. and you don't know either. >> i'm using a reasonable man --? >> no, you're not being reasonable. you're reasoning on what that you know that someone told you? you're totally guessing you have no idea. >> if i were running down the street and suddenly i was laying on the ground with blood dripping out of my body and a bullet wound, wouldn't you reasonably suggest that i was shot? >> that's not what happened here. it doesn't work that way. >> i'm saying he was running and then he no longer had the capacity to run and something happened that stopped his capacity to run. >> right. >> could it have been something other than police, absolutely. but the police have the responsibility to tell us what that is. reasonable standards suggest he was in police custody and the police are not suggesting that they lost custody of him. but that's what happened. >> thanks to both of you. more of our coverage of the breaking news, the baltimore protests turning violent tonight. we are live in baltimore.
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more on the breaking news out of baltimore tonight. protesters clashing with police after days of peaceful demonstrations. our brian todd was there as it happened just a few moments ago, protesters resisting arrests, punches were thrown screaming at officers. police struggled to keep control. this is what actually happened. we understand two people were put under arrest at this time as we're trying to figure out the fallout from the scene that you're seeing. we'll show you now what you're seeing obviously a bit calmer but crowds are gathering at the baltimore police station. protesters have made their way there, marched from city hall. we're going back to baltimore in a few moments. there is one other key story we need to get to you tonight. two al qaeda hostages accidentally killed by a drone strike. two americans who joined the
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terror group were also killed in this strike. president obama said the united states had no idea that any of these people were at the al qaeda compound that was targeted targeted. >> i take full responsibility for all of our counter terrorism operations including the one that inadvertently took the lives of the hostages. i profoundly regret what happened. jim sciutto is in washington. >> it was in this border region that a u.s. drone strike killed two western hostages held by al qaeda, including one american warren weinstein abducted in 2011. it had been under surveillance for hundreds of hours. what the u.s. did not know is that weinstein and the italian were being held and hidden inside. in the proof of life video, weinstein, an aid worker pleaded for his freedom.
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>> it seems i have been totally abandoned. >> today president obama apologized for a fatal mistake. >> we believed that this was an al qaeda compound that no civilians were present and that capturing these terrorists were not possible. >> weinstein's wife blamed his captors for his death but also demanded answers from washington saying we do understand the u.s. government will be conducting an independent investigation of the circumstances. we look forward to the results of that investigation. killed in the same attack was al qaeda lieder ahmed fa ruk, also an american the deputy head of al qaeda in the subcontinent a new branch of the group that attempted to high jack pakistani naval vessels last summer. killed in another air strike in january, american al qaeda operative and prop gan dis, adam ga don, originally from
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california. >> this operation was consistent with the gliends under which we conduct counter terrorism efforts in the vie john which has been our focus for years because it is the home of al qaeda's leadership. >> little solace for two families who had hoped desperately for a much better outcome. >> how could you have hundreds of hours of surveillance of this compound and not know those hostages were inside? i'm told they were high value hostages. i would have been normal practice for a group to keep them very well hidden never go outside, never reeve the compound. there were no bodies no dna. this was a collection of circumstantial evidence. and there was one crucial pieces of evidence this month that put them over the top. it was only yesterday that senior white house officials told the family. >> thank you very much jim. now mike rogers and phil mudd sits on the advisory board for the national terrorism center.
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phil let me start with you. a lot of people watching will say, come on the u.s. government they know so much of what's happening. you have a compound that was under surveillance for monies of hours, multiple americans there, a high value hostage. an american who was working for al qaeda with a million dollar bounty on his head. and people will ask and you're going to tell me they didn't know those guys were there? >> i'm sorry. um going to tell you that. let's go inside the room and break this down. you get intelligence that says the enemy is concentrated at a compound at a place where the security services can reach. you start looking at the compound to look for patterns of life. >> they're doing this by drone. >> correct, you can do it from the air. one of the questions you have typically in the part of the word women and children sleeping in one place, men in another. i minimize the risk to civilians, so i'm going to look and see what the pattern of life
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is over hundreds of hours. now the next step is to say i need to validate every person in that house so we never kill an innocent, i'm going to say get out of the business of drones and get out of the business of war. that's not going to happen. >> you're saying people saying the u.s. should have known, but they didn't know. this is an accident. you buy that. >> that's right. >> the president today saying he takes responsibility. he was very clear about that. i take responsibility. but then within minutes officials from the administration were telling cnn the president didn't specifically approve this operation. that sort of sounded like he's taking responsibility, they're trying to say don't blame him, he doesn't take responsibility. which is it? >> i think it was completely uncalled for after the president says he takes responsibility somebody goes out and obviously leak to say well the president really wasn't involved. he's just being courageous. this is one of the toughest jobs in the intelligence business we have today. and the one part adisagree with phil is they do take the extra time to try to make sure there are no civilians in there to the
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nnt degree. those hundred hours are the aspects of pit the logistics of development of intelligence for any air strike is as extensive as you would hope it would be. there may have been days they thought they had something and didn't take a strike because there may have been a civilian there. i was disappointed that the president's team came out to say she didn't have anything to do with it. all of these are reviewed as chairman of the house intelligence committee i reviewed every single one of air strikes in the counter terrorism effort. for that reason. it is an important program. this was an unfortunate mistake. remember why they would keep these folks so well hidden. the administration did something courageous in syria when they went after foley and the other hostages. it ended up being an empty
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building. but they were willing to risk the lives of u.s. citizens to go and a and try to rescue these hostages. we know it and so do the bad guys know the. they were trying to make sure that nobody understood even in their own ranks it's come part meantized on where the hostages are. especially in this region where there are air strikes taking them out frequently. great decision to move forward. the president should support these people who are trying to make these decisions. hundreds of these things happen very few instances like this. hardly any. next our breaking news back live in baltimore, protesters taking a violent turn now gathing steps away at the baltimore police department demanding justice. we'll be back in a moment. t there. you can't always see them. but it's our job to find them. the answers. the solutions. the innovations. all waiting to help us build something better.
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been thrown at police. brian todd was there in the mid of the violent confrontation that happened. brian, obviously the protests have been mostly peaceful. i think that's important to emphasize. that's what you sooef seep. that's what we've seen on the program. but what you just experienced was very different. >> reporter: that's right. it got very tense in that moment when those two men were arrested by police and escorted to the police vans. whenever they see a confrontation like that that's when they get riled up and really agitated. at that moment they rushed the cops and tried to get them to stop arresting the men. the police got between the protesters and the police officers who were trying to arrest those men. we've got a little bit more of a confrontation over here. this is a typical scene. the protesters crush up against the barricades yell things like this man is yelling. and if you see this they'll pan
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over to the police officers. just a stoic stare by the police. the police are being measured. and the crowd here despite their anger and passion, they have actually policed themselves. because in those moments when they were confronting the police over those arrests, there were objects being thrown objects near us. but here when a couple of objects were thrown some of the protest leaders were telling each other and telling the crowd, stop throwing things. make this peaceful. you can be angry and yell but don't throw objects and don't be violent. that's held to that here erin. >> you know brian, having it turn violent for that time that it did, obviously now it appears to be calmer for the moment. but you think about ferguson and how things so quickly escalated. maryland has sent in additional police officer to help the baltimore police. but it sounds like what you sere seeing and what we're seeing when the watch the
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>> they are absolutely refusing to engage erin. and i've seen a police commander coming behind his officers here and talking to them and basically telling them don't engage. one officer who kind of did engage got into -- well not an argument, but a heated conversation with the protest leaders and one of the commanders told him to come on back here and so they are under orders not to engage. >> we'll see what happens tonight. and next we'll continue to cover the breaking stories. live pictures. this is at the police department outside right now live in baltimore. there are still so many questions. part of the reason is there is no answers to some of the questions like why did freddie gray die and where is his autopsy? we'll be back in a moment.
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expected wait time: 55 minutes. vo: in the nation, we know how it feels when you aren't treated like a priority. we'll take care of it. we put members first. join the nation. thank you. ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ breaking news live pictures of the baltimore police department protesters are gathering there tonight as well as in soit -- city hall in baltimore. they feel they have not gotten any answers as a result of freddie gray dies in police custody. and you look at baltimore city
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more than 60% black, it has a black mayor, she's been on our programt gram -- program and a black police commissioner. this is not a ferguson where it is out of whack. it adds up. but yet we're in a situation where we are not getting autopsy results and the body has not been released and we are not getting answers even though we have black leadership. >> and when ferguson is happening, you say you want a police force that matches the citizenry but people didn't march, but this is isn't a black or a white, it is a blue problem. we have to figure out the relationship between police and the community and that is a structural problem. >> but you do believe this is a racial issue -- >> absolutely. >> if he was white. >> we know that statistically he is far more likely to have this
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as a black person. statistically he's more likely to be chased arrested and abused and incarcerated if he is black statistically. and if he were white, we can't say that empirically, statistically, that would happen. >> statistically. thank you very much. lamont hill. and we'll be right back with our breaking news coverage. bring us your baffling. bring us your audacious. we want your sticky notes, sketchbooks, and scribbles. let's pin 'em to the wall. kick 'em around. kick 'em around, see what happens. because we're in the how-do-i-get-this-startup- off-the-ground business. the taking-your-business- global-business. we're in the problem-solving business. 400,000 people - ready to help you solve problems while they're still called opportunities. from figuring it out to getting it done
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and thank you so much for joining us. set your dvr to record "outfront" to watch us any time. our breaking news of the protests in baltimore continues right now with ac360. here is anderson. >> thank you for joining us. 11 days after the death of freddie gray from injuries he suffered in police custody and on the day his body is returned to his family tension is high tonight on the streets of baltimore. protesters who marched on city hall have made their way back to the police where he was taken from by balance, with spinal injuries. there were protests including one that our brian todd witnessed earlier. >> some objects are being thrown at police and here they just got another
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