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>> reporter: here they gist got another man pp. we're being -- easy guys. we're being pushed. if you can see what's going on when they try to arrest someone, they're being swarmed by these protesters. >> okay okay ma'am. >> and some things are being thrown. not sure why that mean is being arrested not sure what he allegedly did. but every time they try to arrest someone, you can see what happened happened. >> so the scuffle that happened, do we know what happened there? >> reporter: at that moment we were witnessing two people being arrested and that got the crowd angry, they confronted the police there were objects thrown and then police got between themselves and the other

people and got those two people away. that's about as violent as it's gotten. this is a very interesting scene right here. they're doing an impromptue street dramatic play. doo dem demonstrating what they believe the police are doing. it's street drama to vent their anger at the police show us and others what they believe the police are doing, and the brutality is that going on on them. very angry protest but by and large, these protesters have policed them svlgselves. we've had protest leaders telling their fellow protesters stop throwing objects. so they're angry, and passionate but by and large, pretty peaceful anderson. >> do you have a sense of how large the protest is where you

are? >> what do we want? >> reporter: 300 people and it's ebed and flowed but it feels like a lot more because they're making a lot of noise. >> i want to go to our miguel. what are you seeing where you are? >> reporter: we're not very far from where brian is but the crowd has thinned out quite a bit. there's about 1 hundred 50 peopleal or so here. they've changed the security arrangements for tonight. and there are literally more police than protesters but they've left the street open which they were not doing last night. and the police, despite people taunting the police all day, they have showed great restraint. in some cases, you had some of the commanders come out and take people off the line who are having trouble either standing

there for that long because it's been many hours, or the taunting at some point gets to them. for the most part the protesters have been very angry, taunting great restraint shown by the police officers and clearly the commissioner saying he wants them to protest and wants to let them get it out and the commissioner meeting with some distant members of freddy gray's family trying to defuse this situation. and this protest not panning out to be as big as protesters said it would be but everyone focusing on saturday. and saturday could get out of hand. a lot of groups coming in from out of town. >> what is the plan for that saturday protest? do you know? >> it is defus, there are going to be protests here in front of the police station, down the block where freddy gray was

arrested and at city hall. city hall is where -- is where the focal point will be but they will be starting in different places and it sounds like there will be a lot of people marching from here to city hall. it's going to be a very very big event, it sounds like. >> you mention it being difus, is this spread through word of mouth, social media? >> a lot of it is word of mouth. the ncaa of baltimore has been very involved in getting people out. the nation of islam, though, is coming up from washington d.c. they're bussing people in as well. we've heard from protesters in new york ferguson and people in different parts of the country and we're seeing a lot of different groups as well not just african american groups but those concerned with justice,

across the board, we're starting to see as well coming in and so we think it's going to be many many individuals coming in on saturday. >> miguel thank you very much. of course, we'll continue to keep an eye on the protests p. and mr. murphy good to have you on again. now that the family has mr. gray's body you plan to do an independent autopsy. what questions do you hope that will answer? >> we want to see what happened and we want a second look from somebody we trust and we'll see what the body's condition was, we'll see whether there's evidence of other trauma we'll see a lot of things. and we'll also get a chance to look at the spine, the broken neck things of that nature. >> the police, i talked to the attorney for the officers yesterday and he says he believes whatever happened

happened once mr. gray was placed inside that van. he doesn't know how those injuries were sustained. do you believe that what happened to mr. gray occurred outside the van or before? >> i don't really speculate until i get all of the facts and we don't have that yet and we're not close to having that yet. >> we learned yesterday that five of the six officers have made statements. have you and the family got anymore detail from police as to what actually happened that day? >> no we haven't and we're anxious to get that but on the other hand i respect that if there are still witnesses to be identified they don't want to run the risk that we or anyone else will disseminate so that those witnesses would be forworned or make a false statement. so we respect the investigative process and we're patient.

>> i understand the mayor has requested a meeting with the gray family and they turned her down. do you know why that is? >> the gray family is really so upset right now about the loss of their son and they don't want to be disturbed for the foreseeable future and i'm sure anderson that you can understand that. they also don't want to be a part of a media side show and they don't want to be used for showings of good will. they're interested in what the mayor is going to do and perhaps if they take the position that the mayor, a ever this is well down the line has done all that she can do, they'll meet with her but they're not in a position right now, nor should they be nor should anyone expect them to be to be seeing people. they want to be left alone.

>> i know obviously, there's an autopsy done and you said wisely you don't want to go down the road of speculation. does it make any sense of you when you hear the police attorneys saying that the injuries were sustained inside the van? does that pass the smell test for you? >> my sense of smell is pretty weak right now so you have to forgive me if i'm not on themen money with the smell test. this is too important and i want to go where the facts us to go. >> and thank you very much. we'll monitor throughout the evening on cnn. and make sure you set your dvr, you can watch "360" anytime you

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two hostages. a tragic act of war claimed the live of their loved ones. and killed in a drone strike back in january. that same strike killed one top american al qaeda figure and the other one, a notorious u.s. born al qaeda mouth piece. and the fact that they didn't know who they were hitting and that hostages were tragically in harms way, has brought up questions. >> reporter: it was in this mountainous border region between pakistan and afghanistan that a u.s. drone strike killed two american hostages. and one abducted in 2011. it has been under surveillance for hundreds of hours but wha didn't know what that wine steen

and the itannianlian were being held inside. weinstein in this video pleaded for his life. >> it seems i've been completely abandoned abandoned. >> president obama apologized. >> we believed that there was no civil civilians there and that there was no possibility of rescuing these hostages. >> killed in the same attack was al qaeda leader akhmed furuk. also an american was the deputy head of al qaeda in the subcontinent. >> in the framework of america's

war on so-called terror. >> and this man, originally from california. >> this indicates it was fully consistent with the guide lines in which we conduct counterterrorism in the region which has been our focus for years. >> and two families who had desperately hoped for a better outcome. >> if they didn't know he was in the combound what makes them sure he was killed? >> circumstantial evidence. they don't have a body or dna evidence and it took them four months to establish this. i'm told there was a crucial final piece of evidence just this month that led them to make this judgment and it's an intelligence assessment it's not 100% conclusive but

conclusive enough that president is willing to talk about this in public. and we saw that with bin laden, he hid for 10 years p zyears. it's difficult. you know yo you see this at the front end and the back end. >> appreciate the report. none of this obviously easy, nor is it simple. joining us now is former head. also senior legal analyst, and former hostage david road. and cnn national security analyst, peter burgen. i mean obviously it's a complicated operation, but how does the u.s. get something this wrong? >> they said they had hundreds

of hours of consistent surveillance. they knew they had a very bad guy and there's an extended process to go through and they would have had this surveillance to know not to hit women and children but there's no way, if they hide the hostages the way they did, short of an insider in the compound, there wautdssn't a way to avoid this. >> and you were held for seven months before you were able to e escape. how worried were you to be killed in a drone strike? >> a there was actually a drone at a house next to the one i was in. and it blew out the plastic on

the windows in the room i was standing in and bits of shrapnel and dirt so they were constant. and they were killing senior commanders. my guards hated the drone strikes because they were effective. they talk about one very famous foreign militant who taught them how to make bombs and he was killed in a drone strike. so it's a difficult process but they were, in my experience largely effective. >> and people don't realize you can actually hear the drones flying over head. >> they're like small propellor aircraft circling over head and they would order me inside the house whenever there was a droin head and they assumed the american government was hunting me and wanted to kill me because they had crazy ideas of what

they could get for one american hostage. >> and don has been well known for quite some time. i think you and i have talked about him. how important were they. >> gudawn was the first american dharj charged with treason in five decades. which is a charge very rarely invoked. there's no information that he was leading attacks on the united states but they must have felt they had enough to present this treason charge on him. we hear that he's an american but what we know about him is not a great deal. he's head of the south asian affiliate and that affiliate has had a number of its leaders

killed and i think it was ontempt by al qaeda of a way of competing with isis. so al qaeda went out and it's more of a sign of their weakness than strength that they got some local pakistanians to become part of their asian affiliate. >> in terms of the legality of killing american citizens without due process and i'm talking about adam gudan and fu furuq. what is that process? what's the legality there? >> according to the administration they didn't know specifically that they were trying to kill these two americans. they weren't disappointed they were killed but this was not a targeted killing in the way that the killing of the clairic was.

these effectively were just other combatants and the position i think of both aed ministration bush and obama, is if you join win al qaeda, who is an enemy of the united states if you join the enemy, you take your chances and we're going to attack al qaeda and if you get killed too bad and frankly, i don't know how you could conduct a war otherwise. >> you had talked about the heightened stepped the administration would have to go through and what would those be? >> when you talk to officials, they didn't know. this was a signature strike. they can tell from patterns of daily life convoys, the size of the convoys and they look for certain markers to understand how a senior member of aal kiedl qaeda.

and certainly know if they know they're going to target an american citizen there's a legal review process that goes on inside washington where they can satisfy themselves that they have enough information to justify the strike. >> and there's been evidence that there could have been someone being held along with sergeant and other western hostages does that sound plausible to you? >> it doesn't sound plausible, but you just don't know. there's real infighting in the government and the state department officials who helped facilitate the burg dale deal and the idea that the taliban

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as protests continue in baltimore over the death of freddy gray, we're going to try to learn more about what we don't know. we know he was arrested that he had a spinal injury. what we don't know is if it happened before or inside the van or both. so we want to take a look that inside of the vehicle, which

manymen some of us haven't seen before. can you show us what the back of a transport van looks like. >> sure. this right here is our prisoner transport vehicle. it's 10 feet deep inside 5 feet wide there's a metal partition down the center. on the interior of the van, there's seating for five prisoners on each side of the partition. each prisoner has their own individual seatbelt. once they're placed inside they're seatbelted in. >> and the partition, is that sound proof? can the driver hear what's going on in the back? >> no it's not sound proof. drivers can hear any loud activity or anything that would be taking place in the back. the interior is also lit. so in night time circumstances,

it could still be viewed activity take place inside the transport vehicle. >> and how easy or difficult is it to put a seatbelt on somebody? is it a complicated process or is it all -- how we know to put a seatbelt on somebody? >> it's not complicated at all. its's a standard lap belt it would be adjusted to their waist, locked in place and tightened down to hold them in position. >> and if the vehicle -- we don't know exactly, obviously what happened to mr. gray. the police lawyer believes something happened when he was in the van, they don't believe he received thoizse injuries until he was in the van. the only thing i can think of

besides somebody being in the vehicle with him, if he didn't receive them before is the vehicle driving so eratically that he's being slammed around. is that even possible? is there much room for a person to be flung around in there? >> it really depends on the size of the person. there's not a lot of space plus there's a metal partigds here as well separating both sides of the prisoner transport van. >> and the edge on the side is that relatively sharp? i couldn't see if it's a 90 degree angle or if somebody slammed against could it potentially bruise them or harm them. >> matter of fact they are covered. all edges inside the vehicle are rounded edges, even the

weldings. there's no sharp or protruding parts inside the vehicle. >> hmm. well it's fascinating to get a look. thank you. and forensic scientists and retired nypd detective. harry, we spoke to a former baltimore police officer today and he said giving prisoners what he refers to as a rough ride is a long standing technique in the city of baltimore and basically intentionally not strapping them in and then giving them this rough ride to punish them. have you ever heard of that? >> i've heard of it. and that could have happened here. we don't know-how those injuries occurred in that 20 minute

period inside the van. i mean, those things have seatbelts for a reason because even if the drive was in a car accident you have to be able to protect the people inside the back of that thing. >> the fact that there are no pointed edges, does that mean anything? again, we don't know if this technique of giving someone a rough ride -- and there is a case of a baltimore man suffering fatal spinal injuries reportedly being subjected to a rough ride. >> law enforcement has an absolute obgations to protect prisoners in their company. let's say he has a seatbelt on his head is still free to move around and if he did get a rough ride that could still explain

the spinal cord injury being broken. i suspect the vertebrae somehow dislodged, displaced and that's what severed the cord and i think the rough ride would explain that. you know you've got to protect prisoners in custody, you have to seatbelt them. i can understand not immobilizing the neck because they didn't know there was a neck injury. then again, they should have called for ems immediately, when the prisoner said he couldn't breathe, he was having problems. it was negligence not calling the paramedics immediately. >> have you heard of this rough ride? >> i have heard of that and i will tell you in my view legally, that doesn't

necessarily exonerate these officers. >> certainly not. >> i thinkmeny many people are thinking they aren't responsible. >> no rough ride doesn't mean the road was bumpy. >> if they were exacerbated because of a rough ride that does not exonerate these officers. >> when you see these demonstrations out on the streets, it seemed like they were more prepared today for larger presentation but you were surprised that they winter riot gear. >> that upset me that they weren't out there with at least helmets. because they probably assumed some kind of demonstration, some kind of violence because i heard they brought in the state police and i heard we have the waekdeekend

and we have a group of select thugs that there starting something out there in the street. >> you don't know that harry. we know that those protests have been peaceful and that is an american right. >> there are a group of select -- >> we don't know it was violence we heard that it was disorderly conduct. so to be thugs out there, you have to be very careful. >> and now, they've spread a message that you can break the law. >> these are peaceful protests and they are exercising their right. >> it's a pretty small number. >> and i have to disagree with harry with what we saw in ferguson and what i saw was this militarization with police and i

think that exacerbated some of the issues in ferguson. >> so police officers should by allowed to be hurt? >> but do they need riot gear? >> we should point out the baltimore police themselves have called the protesters peaceful. so, by and large what we're seeing is peaceful and i think in ferguson we saw a lot of police officers who had not lot of experience of this kind of tense situations. >> and do we want to see that in baltimore? i hope you're not suggesting that you want to see that in baltimore, the militarization of police. >> nobody is suggesting that but once the autopsy is done how significant can that be? how much can they find that previous autopsy did find? >> as you know, it's a medical,

legal exam nagdsination of the body they will be able to tell us if the larnyx was indeed crushed. there's a lot we'll learn from that autopsy but what we will not learn is exactly when the injuries took place, if it was in facts a two-step situation as we've been postilating and there's a lot to learn. i'm assuming the autopsies won't differ from each other but we have to wait and see what the says. >> thank you for being here. and federal prosecutors have rested in the penalty phase of the boston bombing trial. and a good friend of this program, we've been following her recovery hear how she staired down the killer in court when we continue.

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the defense team will make the case for life in prison. our focus is as will always be, on the surviveors and the lives taken. and we remember krystle campbell martin richard, and lingzi lu and sean colter. we heard how he rested his head on his mother's chest as he bled to death on the sidewalk. and two years ago, more than a dozenlutioneszen losing limbs. and you may recall she bravely shared her first moments in our documentary, the survivor diries. i asked adrian what outcome she wanted in court. have you told authorities what you would like the see happen to

him? >> i have. that's a question that yvl rri've been trying to answer for myself and i haven't yet but i know what my gut feels. >> and what is that? >> death penalty. >> so would you like to see this person die? >> yes. >> what's the feeling of this? >> i feel like that's not something you can get away with. i didn't make that decision without think about it long and hard. >> adrian got her day in court and now joins us. i know you prepared yourself for a long time for this but does anything prepare you for actually being in the courtroom and staring at this killer? >> i've been preparing for it for a long time but nothing can really prepare you. you can prepare yourself for not being prepared, if that makes

sense. for a long time you and i talked about how i didn't say his name and i still don't and i didn't look at photos and didn't pay attention to the news coverage but i did once the trial started but not a single thing on earth could prepare you for this. i can honestly say, it's part of p ptsd i have never been in a physical altercation of any kind and i've never been in a place where i've wanted to physically harm someone until now and i think i -- i know i wanted to physically harm someone and it's such an overwhelming feeling of wanting to lash out. >> after you testified, you stopped and you staired at him? >> uh-huh. >> did he stare back?

>> when i was up on the stand, we were about as far as you and i have now. >> that's close. >> i did stop not even knowing i was going to. i thought, gosh i want to get off this stand and then i looked up after i was off the stairs and he was right there. and it just stopped me in my tracks and i didn't even realize i was doing it at the time and he could see me i could see both of his eyes. >> and how long did you stare at snim. >> it felt like half an hour. i don't really know. but there was a point in time i thought we were the only two people in the room. i was just think about, gosh, this thing stared everyone down around us and took lives and destroyed boston and so much of

america, even and i thought, what would is going through his mind right now being this close? >> we talked once a while ago and i had just played the video and i asked you what was justices for you. do you still believe the death penalty is the best punishment? >> yes and actually i feel stronger about it than i did yesterday and the day before that. i feel there's a justice cyst foreman a reason and i support the prosecution's going after that and i'm going to be really upset if he doesn't get the death penalty. >> i wouldn't ask this question but i know you're okay talking about it and adam wants you to talk about it. and your husband, adam who was physically injured in the bombing as well. he wasn't at the trial. what's going on with him as well? >> he wanted to be there so

desperately. he was very brave in admitting himself ifnto a mental hospital after years of mental anguish and guilt for taking the turn on to that street and suffering severe depression. >> he feels responsible for your injuries? >> yes. >> were there times you thought he might not make it through? >> yeah there were many times. i wasn't sure if he would ever forgive himself and i'm still not sure but i hope he really does. >> but it's a sign of strength that he is reaching out for help. >> ptsd is real and i'm glad he's seeking for help and he's incredibly fwravbrave for it. >> i want to talk to you about

dancing. you're trying now all different dancing styles. i heard you're doing hip-hop? >> i am. it's been since mid to late '80s since i've done hip-hop and it was this back then and it's climbed its way up there. >> i'm still rocking that move. >> that's cool. i did it just for you. i knew that. >> thank you. >> i felt i wasn't limiting myself in life so i shouldn't in dance. and i'm still doing ballroom i'm proud tew do it. skb i reentered the competition circle recently. >> we have footage of you doing ballroom. >> it's really fun. but i don't want to limit myself in dance if i'm not in life. >> it's so good to talk to you.

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todd in baltimore. what's the latest there? >> reporter: a smaller pocket of protesters break into some chants. now they're singing. sometimes they've broken into some confrontations with policeality the barricades and sometimes it's conversation. this one police officer has been patiently listening to people complain to them. and obviously, it was a lot rufr a few blocks away when they were arresting a couple of people but by and large, they have been peaceful. they have been policing themselves. a very angry, passionate crowd but by and large peaceful anderson. they just want more answers than

they've gotten from the mayor's office in the freddy gray case. >> miguel, set the scene you are. >> reporter: despite how much anger there has been there are been very few arrests. i want to point that out. and that officer over there, melvin russell has been instrumental and being yelled at by many people and even bringing many of the protesters together with the police commissioner and i want to point out that this young man has been out here and for three hours he's been out here with this sign all by himself waiting for the protesters. and folks like noah are concerned that on saturday since there will be so many outside groups coming into baltimore, that there will betia

nangons and they will lose the thread of this protest to other groups who have other agendas. >> some groups coming from washington d.c. and other parts of the country for this protest on saturday. the other big developments the family will be able to conduct their own autopsy with their experts. i talked to a family attorney at the top of this broadcast and they say that's the next step for them before they can actually lay mr. gray to rest. we'll be right back.

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