have been brought in to help control the situation which has been the ugliest rioting in baltimore since the '60s. schools in baltimore today shut down. the mayor now imposing a curfew 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. the big question is can authorities enforce it? and it's a legit question after what we saw last night. sirens all day, through the darkness signaling the unchecked chaos. cnn had people in the action all day and night. here is what we saw. on a day that expected peace and mourning police stood down. and that was a mistake. the funeral of freddie gray marked the worst day of rioting in baltimore since the '60s. >> this is one of our darkest days as a city. and i know that we are much better than this. >> reporter: national guard troops and waves of cops fanning out after the governor declares a state of emergency. gray's family condemning the violence as well, but looters and rioters take advantage of

lax policing to set fire to and steal from their own community. injuring police journalists and each other. >> i think the violence is relative. freddie gray wasn't that type of person to break into no stores or nothing like that. i don't like it at all. >> the mayor and governor facing sharp criticism for standing down on such an emotionally charged day and then not seeming to have a plan leading to chaos. >> we've been standing by in preparation just in case the violence escalated, which it did. when the mayor called we act visited. we were fully prepared. >> darkness adding to the danger. brazen standoffs between masked men on both sides hurling everything they could, even grud explosives at cops. police cruisers and neighborhood cars on fire. pepper spray largely controlled from a wall of resistance. what seems to be a suicide mission, a car racing past us

right into the police line stopping feet away only to return to the fray. a night no one was safe. local stores lit up spreading to an adjoining apartment. a mother kp her baby escaping just in time. officials now say the riots may not have been a surprise. word of a purge, referring to the sci-fi film where all crimes are absolved for 12 hours. a deranged rallying cry heeded by a large number of juveniles contributing to the violence now gripping the city. the police commissioner calling on parents to take charge of their kids. like this woman, angered at a young man's participation in the unrest. >> you down here doing this stuff. >> members of the community did stand strong. this man, a vietnam vet, boldly confronts a group of youngsters taunting police. determined to do what authorities could not, take control of this community. >> they do not respect this young man's death.

you know? now, momma and daddy lost a child. that could be them. >> there are good people in this community who want to rebuild. and we know what is making people here angry. what is not clear is how things could get so out of control so quickly. and can the police and the national guard stop it from happening again? with that part of the story we get to cnn national correspondent jason carroll. jason. >> well chris, that is the question certainly that a number of people are asking out here today. i am standing on the corner of pennsylvania and north. you can see right out here we've got a number of state troopers who are already out here at this intersection. just to let you know where this is if you take a look right across the street this is the flash point of where much of the unrest happened yesterday. that is the cvs that was looted and then burned. certainly a number of forces are out here today we did not see yesterday. 5,000 law enforcement officials

will be on the streets of baltimore. noigs that 1,500 national guard members but the city has access to 5,000 if needed. also a number of additional state troopers, some you've already seen on the streets tonight, also word of that monday tear curfew in place from 10:00 p.m. tonight until 5:00 a.m. tomorrow. certainly the mayor is hoping that that will make a difference. she was saying last night, chris, that she didn't want to overreact to the situation. she saw how that worked out in ferguson. did not want to see a repeat of that out here in baltimore. certainly a number of people in the city thought she underreacted. there is one point where many people can agree, they hope today is more peaceful than yesterday. chris. >> well-said, jason. it's not just the local electeds here. we're going to see action hopefully all the way to the federal level. the new attorney general making a familiar pledge condemning the violence as senseless, vowing to investigate all wrongdoing. but when will answers come? and what can lynch do?

and what will be this ultimate timing of resolve here? cnn's senior correspondent jim acosta has news for us coming from washington. jim, what do we know? >> chris, president obama's once again facing another test on this issue of alleged police brutality in baltimore as he did in ferguson missouri last year. the president is likely to speak out on the violence in baltimore later today when he holds a news conference with japan's prime minister shinzo abe. loretta lynch, both the president and lynch met about the unrest in baltimore just hours after she was sworn-in as the new attorney general. and she also released a statement, as you said condemning this violence. we'll put that up on screen. she says i condemn the senseless acts of violence by some individuals in baltimore. those who commit violence actions ostensibly in protest of the death of freddie gray do a disservice to his family his friends and his loves ones. the president also spoke by phone with baltimore's mayor

stephanie rawlings-blake. as for loretta lynch, she's sending justice department officials up to baltimore to assess the situation. yesterday the white house sent several officials from the administration to the funeral of freddie gray you know chris, the president has not always raced out to the microphones to speak out after an incident like this occurs but he may have no choice but to do just that later on today. chris. >> well no question it's going to be a balance of priorities. the president has a lot on his plate. one thing we know leaders go first. and that's certainly needed here on the local and state level. jim, thank you very much. keep us in the loop on what we hear from washington. joining us now is the president of the baltimore chapter of the naacp. it is good to have you with us this morning. also please rob wineholt former spokesperson for the baltimore police. good to have you with us. we spent a lot of time together last night. understanding you're now crisis management expert. and it is good to have you here. it's very important that

everybody on the police and the community levels are getting together. you need it now more than ever since we saw what happened with freddie gray. question for you. did you hear anything? not in advance, but the notion of a purge, this reference to this movie and that this was going to happen and they were trying to recruit the school kids when school let out after freddie gray's funeral, were you aware of any of that? or have you heard about it since? >> i wasn't aware until the police and city hall informed us. we had a meeting and we were briefed that that had been heard. we didn't expect something like this to happen yesterday. surely not at the extent. we thought people would come back down to neighborhood where this really happened and continue the protest and just chant. the family asked for no one to come out and do anything. i was at the funeral. after the funeral was over within an hour this all started. so we were shocked that it got to this magnitude. >> clearly any pledge to respect what the family wanted was forgotten, for big spaces of the day yesterday. two questions on the police side.

one, if they knew anything about the purge, help me understand what seemed to be a complete standdown and lack of immediately available assets for any change in behavior? >> well i think a couple things. number one, the men and women of the baltimore police department the rank and file have done an unbelievable job overmaintaining their composure, spit on assaulted and have done everything they can to try to end these issues in a very peaceful way. i think also i guess in weather terms, they were expecting a severe thunderstorm and quickly escalated to a category 5. they were outresourced -- >> but the mayor said i wanted to give the protesters space. i wanted to learn from ferguson. i didn't want to be in the face. that's not about weather. we were with your men and women last night, the baltimore police. they're topnotch. we watched this car fly at them on what seemed like a suicide mission. they didn't move. they didn't open fire. i saw restraint all night. not about insulting the men and women of the police at least last night.

standdown, that is something you wanted? >> of course not. i think baltimore really underestimated this was going to happen. i think based on what's happened and i've been on the ground out every day since last sunday when mr. gray first passed and i've been in the community where it happened. most of the rallying was right there concentrated between the police station in west baltimore up to the spot where he was apprehended by the police. so i think that people still thought the mayor and the police i can't say what they thought, but i'm saying based on where we've been for the past six days, it was contained in that area. and that area. so i don't think even with what they thought they heard is they thought people was going to be all up in that area not west baltimore and then proceed down pennsylvania avenue and looting. i think they figured that the children and whoever wanted to participate and rally would come back to the community because that's where it had all been stationed for five days. so this was completely something that wasn't expected. >> from the onset it wasn't about protests. i didn't see any of it yesterday. we saw only what we don't want

to see. the question is just about planning and leadership. because it just didn't seem like they were there. and when they did get there, they got there late. we heard a lot of reports of police being evidently told to stand down and watch things burn. what is the rationale for that? >> i don't understand the rationale. but what i can tell you it's very important i think from the law enforcement perspective to hold people accountable. absolutely no issue with folks who want to civilly be heard and they should be heard and validated. no question about it. that's what makes this country great. but when people start to hurt others loot set fires, it must be stopped. >> and in their own communities. >> yes. >> to their own local stores. the cvs is a chain, but a lot of local mom and pop stores people's cars they needed to get to work jobs they wanted to get to all compromised. we get the anger. now you have a curfew. people take that as a sign of disrespect 10:00 at night in the 5:00 in the morning. what is the message? >> well i think people do take that because we've had a curfew

already and it's enforced but hasn't been too much violated where it had to come to action but i think there's a difference of protesters and people angry about the death of freddie gray and people who are out and out thieves. to go to cvs and steal anything and burn it had nothing to do -- >> they say outrage, my society doesn't care about me i won't care about it. >> i think they should have continued marching and protesting and chanting and not doing anything violent or stealing. there's two different types of action. and you shouldn't hurt other people or their property. >> from a crisis management standpoint the mayor has a very good sense of calm and poise when she speaks. the governor, i saw some of that as well. where were they during chaos yesterday? from a crisis management perspective, don't leaders go first? don't they have to be there in that moment of crisis? >> what they said is they were focused on the operations but the fact of the matter is this as a leader you need to be there, you need to be present and you need to be heard.

in our business if you don't tell your story, someone else will. and when someone else tells your story, it won't be the story you want told. people want to see compassion from leadership. i think everybody feels that way, particularly this morning it was a real punch in the gut yesterday. baltimore's a wonderful place. hopefully things will get back to normal very quickly. >> nobody's questioning the offset in the numbers of excessive force show it. there's a culture issue that has to be taken on here. what happened to freddie gray we still don't know. and it looks bad. yet the riots, martin luther king tells us riots are the language of the unheard. what we saw yesterday just doesn't help any progress going forward. the mayor and governor walked away last night from don lemon in an interview. that's easy. i know your organization is trying to organize within the community as well and you're trying to provide the perspective of what this

community needs to balance respect for police and the community. >> i think it comes down in my opinion fundamental trust, trust between the community and police will do their job effectively for the right reasons. and trusting the community and that their concerns are generational and very very valid. >> i'll tell you this having lived through other situations like this, the men and women holding up their shields last night did their part. we know there's some videos online of cops apparently throwing rocks back at protesters. be that as it may, i saw things last night that i felt were going to really get out of control and they didn't. so leave that conversation there for now and we'll stay in communication as this story moves forward. great for joining us this morning. you, i don't think you went to bed. alisyn back to you. >> chris, we will go back to you in baltimore in a moment. we want to go to our developing story in nepal. rescue workers are still digging through rubble to find survivors after that earthquake leveled

much of the area around katmandu. the death toll soaring to around 4,000 people. dr. sanjay gupta is at a hospital in katmandu helping the injured. we'll get him live as soon as the bad weather clears. he filed this report for us moments ago. >> this morning vital foreign aid continues to arrive in droves. thousands were killed during nepal's initial earthquake. but without urgent medical care food and water, many thousands more will likely die. survivors are still being pulled from the rubble. this little boy was saved after three hours of digging. according to unicef nepal's strongest strongest earthquake in more than 80 years has left nearly a million children in need of

assistance. >> required for children who are maimed we need medicines, we need a place to do the surgery. and we need appropriate staff of course. >> i met 8-year-old salina yesterday, her grandfather driving over a day to get to the hospital after the family's home collapsed on her. as a practicing neurosurgeon i assisted in an operation to remove a blood clot from the top of her brain and relieve swelling. the conditions and equipment available to us a bit primitive. much like what you'd find in a war zone. but the operation was a success. she's alive, her prognosis is good. nepal's president is also a doctor. he says his country is facing a medical calamity like never seen before. and he asks that any assistance from the international community be given. there's no doubt nepal needs all the help it can get.

>> thanks to sanjay gupta for that incredible look. a landmark cay day at the supreme court. justices will hear arguments on same-sex today specifically on whether the constitution provides couples the right to marry. supporters of gay marriage are challenging a lower court ruling that upheld bans in ohio michigan kentucky and tennessee. a decision that will no doubt have national implications is expected in june. a calculating killer or legally insane? that's the question for jurors in the trial of james holmes charged in the aurora colorado movie theater rampage in 2012. 12 people were killed and 70 wounded. in their opening statement prosecutors said holmes was meticulous in planning the attack. the defense claims he was in the throes of a psychotic episode. if convicted holmes could get the death penalty. hoping to avoid a death sentence dzhokhar tsarnaev's defense team says the boston marathon bomber was led down the path of terrorism by hissin creasingly fanatical older

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welcome back to "new day." we are in baltimore where there's a state of emergency after a night of violence and chaos. was baltimore caught off guard? the obvious answer seems to be yes. can they quell the violence better going forward? the answer seems to be we hope so. i want to bring in retired sergeant sheryl dorsey.

and also officer spent 25 years with the maryland police before being recruited by the baltimore police department to reorganize its education and training division. now, let's start with you, neil and thanks to both you and sheryl for being with us on "new day" this morning. there are some videos going around the internet that seem to show officers throwing rocks and objects back. i heard you talking about it last night. those incidents aside, or taken into consideration, there was a lot of restraint last night. the police seemed to be doing their job. the question is were they told to be doing it soon enough? and were they planned for well enough? your take. >> let me begin with that. the police are doing their job. they're doing a very good job. it's very stressful. i've talked to some of them last night. they're very tired and exhausted right now. i applaud them for their strength and i know they will continue with that. were we prepared? do we have enough people as we say boots on the ground when it started at mondawin mall yesterday?

no we didn't. we're talking about a fluid situation. so the planning for that has to do with the intelligence that you receive. and you try to factor in and figure out how many people are going to be involved how many school kids are we talking about. so it depends on how good your intelligence is. and then where do you stage? okay. where's the location you can stage where it's not going to cause problems from people seeing you staging there? and then how quickly can you deploy from that staging area to where the men and women are needed. >> the mayor's created some confusion. at first there was a statement she wanted to give protesters this space, she says no i'm taken out of context. that was just a by-product of what was going on today. we weren't giving any artificial space. it looked like space was given. it looked like the officers were not shadowing the activity that was there. it looked like the officers were not in the right riot gear right away and that they weren't set up to create the perimeter when they needed to and they may have been standing back during some of the early violence. you saw the same things i did.

do dwrou agree or disagree? >> yes and no. yes and no. i think, again, for i think they were prepared physically with their equipment. they had their shields. they were forming lines. they were overwhelmed by the number of students. and students moved so quickly. they're up one alley, down another alley, they're deploying somewhere else. the students can spread out. they can move into two, three, four, five different groups. the police officers can't do it that easily. they have to stay unified. they have to remain together and move in a uniform fashion. >> there were many students especially when school let out, but as we saw throughout the night it wasn't all students. >> definitely not. >> sheryl let me bring you into this conversation. you know lapd you know the history with riots there, what works, what doesn't. they now have school out today and they have a curfew in place from 10:00 to 5:00. how do those two things help and hurt a situation having the kids

not under control at school and maybe out who knows what's going on. and also a curfew and what that means to people in the communities. >> well i think it's helpful to have the students at home today because if they leave campus then we have a situation much like yesterday where we don't know exactly what their intentions are. so i think to let cooler heads prevail it makes more sense to not have school in session. in terms of the activities that we're seeing you know it seems to me like maybe they weren't very prepared. i don't know why they would not have anticipated this kind of emotion on the day of the burial of mr. gray. so i hope going forward that the curfew will play a part in quelling some of the damage that's been done. >> and also you know the concern with the kids staying home is well who's home with them? people have to work. most families down here you've got everybody home taking care of them when they get home from school they're working during the day. let me ask you something, the distraction from the main concern of this community, which

is what happened to freddyie gray. with your experience out in l.a. when you have a riot that is surrounding anger at the police what needs to be done in terms of focusing on that question, on that investigation and getting past the violence? >> well i understand that people are interested in what's going on in the streets. but for me i'm singularly focused on why freddie gray was stopped in the first place. i'm singularly focused on the release of the statement of charges that came out yesterday in the baltimore sun with regard to a knife. and it just seems to me like the department is trying to circle the wagons and justify in a couple of days the detention, the arrest and the subsequent injury based on something that makes no sense to me. a black man out on the streets in a high crime area does not automatically make you suspicious. and that's what we need to talk about. and that's the answers that should be coming forth and without talking about this riot.

>> and it probably will be the best thing that the leadership here can provide to the kmupt communities. and that would be answers, neal right? >> absolutely. >> justice, fairness under law, as long as it's done the right way and transparent, will that do the most to make this community what you want to be going forward? >> it's a very important piece of getting back to norm in the city. it's coming forward with the information, letting people know what happened. again, he was buried yesterday. i hear this time and time again, no report on the autopsy. but the commissioner has committed to this friday coming forth with that information. i hope he sticks to it. and i hope it does make a difference. and then we can move on to the next phase of healing. we have to start healing the city. but in that process we can't ignore the systemic issues the foundation of all this. i'm not just talking about baltimore, i'm talking about new york chicago, ferguson clear across this country. of the tasks that we give police. and the laws that they are

charged with enforcing. most of these arrests made in the city are low-level drug offenses. which is a health issue, not a criminal justice issue. >> and there's no question i said do you think it will do the most to get the answer unfortunately the answer is no. you do have underlying issues they have to be addressed. >> they've got to be addressed. >> unfortunately the violence and riots distracts from the righteousness of that purr sutd. neill, thank you very much for joining us. we'll lean on you going forward. cheryl as always appreciate your perspective. alisyn. chris, we'll be back with you in a second. stay with cnn for the breaking coverage in baltimore. what sparked the violence rocking this city last night? and are city officials doing enough today to restore order? we'll get into all of.

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we are following breaking news in baltimore. the city at its worst on the day reserved for the burial of freddie gray. that's what it was like here last night. rioters looting stores setting fires, attacking police. 15 officers injured, 27 arrests.

the governor of maryland late to the game but declaring a state of emergency calling in the national guard. 5,000 police reinforcements summoned from nearby states. schools today closed in baltimore hoping to let cooler heads prevail. there's also a curfew 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. it will start tonight. the question of course alisyn is whether or not they can enforce that curfew and how. >> absolutely chris, we'll be back with you in a second. baltimore city leadership is taking heat as chris just said for the riots spiraling out of control. was the city unprepared? let's bring in nypd detective and our cnn political commentator. gentlemen, great to see you. harry, i want to start with you. are police in control of baltimore today? >> no. >> why not? >> you can clearly see last night one of the indicators here is you've got 27 arrests. we should have probably close to 50 maybe 100 arrests. that goes to show you that the police weren't going out there after the perpetrators.

i mean i saw several instances where the police lined up and the thugs lined up and they were throwing things at the police they would go forward and then they would come back. all they would do is chase them. they didn't have any arrest teams that went out after these people. you had incidents where a garbage can was on fire thrown at the police and they didn't go after this guy. >> i'm curious because one of the things they're talking about is that this started, a series of text messages the word spread via social media. what is law enforcement doing to counteract that? not just about going down and putting on riot gear and standing in a line arms linked against the protesters but also in terms of policing of another nature. >> that's not the protesters. >> what do you call them? >> those are thugs. if you're burning down property all right, if you're destroying vehicles all right, and if you're throwing things at the police you're a thug.

okay. >> mark do you think that the mayor was too hands-off and that she should have sent out the message to activate more police sooner? >> i mean it's a very very tricky tight rope to walk. we saw in ferguson the exact opposite opposite right? they told police to come out police were in full force. in fact we saw maybe one of the strongest shows of force in such a small town in recent memory and it didn't do anything but further antagonize a community and create the very thing they were trying to prevent. so i don't think there's an easy solution to say we'll put more police out there, or to harry's point we can arrest our way out of this problem, we only arrested 27 people what if we had 2,700 people arrested i'm not sure that works either. >> you had police officers out there -- you know you keep on hearing about this thin line that they've got to cross. there's no thin line here. there's breaking the law, all right, and then there's peacefully demonstrating. once you break the law, and what happened is once you start

letting this go on the first day, thugs, okay listen cops aren't doing anything come out a second day, third day. this is where it got to where it is today. >> hold on one second mark i want to challenge you because you think the mayor let this go. you think she somehow gave free reign to the protesters to escalate. she says people like you are taking her words out of context. >> oh sure. >> let's play her words for our viewers and then try to parse them. listen to this. >> it's a very delicate balancing act. because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars and the other things that were going on we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well. >> she's saying she inadvertently that what happens when you allow room for freedom of speech an unfortunate by-product is people take advantage of it. that's what she's saying. not that she gave permission. >> that's not what she meant. i think it's pretty clear what she said.

she gave the people to destroy property room to do it. she said it. i got it right here. we gave those who wish to destroy space to do that as well mark. >> she says before that it's a very delicate balancing act because -- basically she's saying that while that was going on she didn't say accidentally but i think she meant gave space for those people to do that as well unfortunately. >> can't give space to commit crimes out there. >> no no -- >> this would not have happened in the mayor's neighborhood. i'll tell you what there would have been probably 1,000 arrests if this happened in the mayor's neighborhood. >> i think it's sort of implausible that the mayor would publicly state or even impolice implicitly express, she's under that natural scrutiny. she had no moral ethical compass, i don't believe that. she's a very fine woman doing a very tough job right now. even if she had no moral compass at all, even if she didn't care

about the city she grew up and loves, even if none of that were true it makes her look bad. truth is she wanted to create space for protesters so we wouldn't have another ferguson. she was saying i want to create space for people to protest here peacefully. >> mark and harry, we know she was part of the panel brought in discuss how to manage police relations after ferguson. chris, i want you to jump in because i know you have questions from the field. >> yeah mik, sometimes we have to argue the theoretical here and what she meant, what she didn't mean the mayor. you're hearing one of the fire trucks here. this has been going on all throughout the night. there are still situations for the first responders to deal with. this is not a theoretical situation. it doesn't matter what the mayor meant. the reality was they were not ready for what happened yesterday. they didn't have the manpower in place. they didn't have them where they needed to be. and most importantly you didn't have the mayor and the governor and the electeds in place, mik. and it's so important to hear

their voices during the moment of crisis. the first word that we got from the mayor's office was explaining why she didn't have as many people out here as she might have otherwise. that's not how it works. so whatever the motivations were the reality was you had to get out of control and you had no way to keep it under control for way too long. >> and, chris -- >> chris, the motivations are part of the story, chris. i don't disagree with you. i think people should have been in place. clearly they were caught with their pants down to some extent. i don't disagree with you there. my only point is talking about her motivation isn't purely theoretical. if we have a conversation today that this mayor -- >> who's going to stop that from happening, marc? the mayor stopped that from happening. the mayor did not allow the police officers to respond properly so this would not escalate to the point it is today. >> harry, i'm not arguing that point. if we had a conversation that suggests as you just did that the mayor wanted this to happen that's not only irresponsible but creates context for more violence today and more political problems. i don't disagree with harry that they were out of place --

>> i'm not saying that. i'm saying -- >> no harry was saying that. >> no i'm not. >> but, harry, you don't need to parse the words. it's not helpful. all you know is that everybody's supposed to be on the same page if you want calm in the community. and somebody made the call to not have the cops in the right place, not have them signed up and lined up the way they needed to be until much later. and they were watching things burn yesterday here. police were watching crime in progress. and you got to figure out who is telling them to do that because the men and women that we met last night policing the communities want to be very active and make sure that everybody's safe. >> chris, i thought it was interesting the interview you just did with the former state police officer and he said before you activate police you need to have the intelligence. he said we didn't have the intelligence that said that it was going to escalate from a protest to a riot. >> that's what i was asking about, is why is there not sort of a pre-plan? >> last week there was some intelligence about this happening. there was a lot of tweets going

out and some of the baltimore police officers were talking about how they were reading that information. they knew something was going to happen. i mean i mentioned this on anderson cooper the other day that this weekend would get bad. and i'm not getting any intelligence information. any police officers out there, and i'm sure those police officers in baltimore knew something was going to happen and that chief of police out there if it was up to him i am sure this would not have occurred. >> marc last word. >> you know i don't think anyone thinks -- the people in the streets aren't believing that the baltimore police department operates without -- or with restraint. they didn't think it was free-reign in baltimore. there's a section of people protesting and apparently doing more than that in a very particular way. we can have a critique of the mayor, state, we can all armchair quarterback this but people making tough decisions on the fly and we have to acknowledge how difficult that is at the same time we have our critique. >> marc, harry, great to see both of you. we want to know what your take is, what do you think is going on in baltimore? who do you think is responsible? you can tweet us or find us on

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a state of emergency has been declared in baltimore. that city reeling from a night of violence. police attacked leaving 15 officers injured. so far 27 people have been arrested. the governor of maryland calling in the national guard and state police summoning 5,000 reinforcements from neighboring neighboring states. schools closed for the day in baltimore. and a 10:00 p.m. curfew will be enforced beginning tonight. during helicopter rescues to save climbers stranded by the avalanche on mt. everest appear t be a success. they have all been evacuated back to base camp. rescue teams on the ground

though still digging through tons of rubble desperately looking for earthquake survivors. the death toll now soaring to more than 4,400 people. thousands more who were injured are packing hospitals in katmandu. the u.n. estimates 8 million people have been affected by this quake. >> such heartbreak there. an appeals court in south korea handing down a tougher sentence for the captain of a ferry that sank last year killing 304 people. he was convicted in november of last year of negligence and abandoning paz inging passengers in need. he was sentenced to 36 years in jail. prosecutors appealed the decision. now the appellate court found him guilty of homicide and gave him a life sentence. we'll have more on the situation in baltimore, but first, should gay marriage be the law of the land? the supreme court is about to hear arguments in a case that will have national implications. so we will talk to two men at the center of that case next.

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good to have you back here on "new day." we are going to return to the breaking riots in baltimore.

but first, in about three hours time arguments begin in a case that could determine the future of gay marriage in the united states. the supreme court is being asked to decide whether the constitution gives marriage rights to gay couples. jim obergefell joins us alongside the president of the human rights campaign chad griffin to discuss the case. i guess i have to ask right off the bat, jim, how are you feeling about this big day as you stand there in front of the courthouse? >> i'm excited and still hoping that it sinks in that i'm actually here. because it hasn't quite yet happened. >> chad maybe you can reach over and pinch him. >> we're here jim. >> chad you've actually said you believe that the supreme court will rule in jim's favor. why do you feel that confidence? >> i do michaela. and, look it's not only because of jim and jim's incredible stories and all the plaintiffs who've gotten us this far, all of us stand on the shoulders of

giants that have built to the day we're having today. but why i think we're going to win at the end of the day is because america is with us. jim's not alone here. >> no he's not. >> today more than 60% of americans are supporting jim and what we're fighting for. a majority of republicans under 50, most major corporations including coca-cola and general mills and apple are with jim and with the plaintiffs in their filing before this court. i am confident that at the end of the day this court is going to come down like it has in so many times in the past on the side of equal justice under the law. >> the human rielgts campaign has been telling your story, jim, for quite a while. why don't you tell our viewers briefly if you can why you decided to sue. >> it was a very easy decision michaela. when john and i decided to get married and we had the great fortune to be able to do that and say those incredible words, i thee wed.

to come home back to ohio and to be shown a blank death certificate and to hear the words that you know john and jim when john dies ohio will say he's single. and they will not list your name in that field as the surviving spouse. it was heartbreaking. and for us it was a very easy decision to say this isn't right, this isn't something we should stand for. and it isn't something anyone else should stand for. it was a very easy decision for us to stand up and say we won't take this. >> you've become the poster child for it. and you do it very well i must add. chad so we know the opponents are going to argue that and have argued for a long time that this issue of gay marriage should be left up to the states. 36 states and washington, d.c. currently allow for same-sex marriage. but why for you is it unacceptable that the idea of leaving it up to the states to decide? >> because at the end of the day

in this country perhaps in other countries, michaela but not in the united states of america. we don't leave fundamental rights fundamental civil rights up to the states. we just don't do that in this country. and this court, those nine justices behind me and this court over time have said it in 14 different cases that marriage is a fundamental right. fundamental in fact to the pursuit of happiness. so at the end of the day i believe that's where this court's going to head. and then loving couples all across this country, our neighbors, our families they'll have that same right. they'll all have the same right under the law and get the same protections that they so deserve. you know justice kennedy and his opinion in the windsor case he focused on the thousands of children in this country today that are being raised by same-sex parents. don't they deserve the same protections under the law? of course they do. >> jim, i can imagine on a day

like today and leading up to it you've done a lot of reflecting where you've come where you and your former partner, had come the battle the struggle. and i was even reflecting on the fact that the country's come a long way on this in a very short amount of time. more so than any other social policy. that is something. >> it really is. i mean john and i honestly never thought we would have the ability to marry in our lifetimes. and to see the change in a couple short years has been amazing. and i think a big part of that is we lived our lives, we were open about who we were who we are and our relationship. and that's what has driven all this change. my lgbt brothers and sisters across the country simply being who they are and being open and honest about that. so it's amazing that so much has changed, but it's due to that. >> right. >> we're no longer those unknown

people. >> right. >> we're neighbors, we're family we're friends. >> chad before we leave you, how would you react to a split decision? anything could happen today. >> look anything could happen. but there's one thing that i agree with justice scalia on in his dissent in the windsor opinion he said that that opinion was going to lead to other federal courts all across this country coming down on the side of marriage equality. justice scalia i think, was right in that dissent. and i believe that some day very soon americans in every single corner of this country, in towns big and small and in all 50 states are going to have the freedom to marry the person that they love. >> chad and jim, you have a busy day ahead of you. make sure you get some gatorade and wheaties in you. >> thank you michaela. so we are following a whole lot of news today. let's get to it. we've got 27 arrests, we should have probably close to 50 maybe 100 arrests.

>> you guys we got to move back. >> the baltimore police department doesn't have the resources to do what's needed to be done here. >> there's a liquor store that was just lit on fire. >> all this violence and destruction i am really appalled. >> don't tear up the whole city. >> this city is on fire. >> we have control. we are responding to fire. we are responding to police. >> this is nuts. it's a war zone. welcome to your "new day." alisyn and michaela are in new york. i'm coming to you live from baltimore where we're following breaking news this morning. the city is burning in parts, and there are still fighting those fires right now. the fallout just beginning following riots stemming from the death of freddie gray. the governor declared a state of emergency. it is now in effect after massive demonstrations spun way out of control and turned into

outright riots yesterday here in parts of the city. rocks, bricks bottles, explosive devices thrown at police. businesses cars local businesses community owners cars they were burned police cars as well. stores looted left in ruins, jobs lost as a result. dozens of people arrested many more could have been. you had more than a dozen officers injured, many more could have been. the complete word was chaos. the hospitals are certainly filled with people today feeling the pain of yesterday. schools are closed today in baltimore. and there's a new curfew that starts tonight at 10:00 p.m. as the city looks to get itself back under control. cnn had people in the action all day and night. here is what we saw. on a day that expected peace and mourning police stood down. and that was the a mistake. the funeral of freddie gray

rocked baltimore. >> this is one of our darkest days as a city. >> reporter: the governor declares a state of emergency. gray's family condemning the violence as well but looters and rioters take advantage of lax policing to set fire to and steal from their own community. injuring police journalists and each other. >> i think the violence is relative. freddie gray wasn't no person full of violence. freddie gray wasn't that type of person to break into no stores and all that. i don't like it at all. >> the mayor and governor facing sharp criticism for standing down on such an emotionally charged day and theb not seeming to have a plan. leading to chaos. >> we've been standing by in preparation just in case the violence escalated, which it did. when the mayor called we activated. we were fully prepared. >> darkness adding to the. police cruisers and neighborhood

cars on fire. pepper bullets in constant supply from a largely controlled wall of resistance. then what seems to be a suicide mission. a car racing past us right into the police line stopping feet away only to return to the fray. a night no one was safe. local stores lit up spreading to an adjoining apartment. a mother and her baby escaping just in time. officials now say the riots may not have been a surprise. word of a purge, referring to the sci-fi film where all crimes are absolved for 12 hours. a deranged rallying cry heeded apparently by a large number of juveniles contributing to the violence now gripping the city. the police commissioner calling on parents to take charge of their kids like this woman angered at a young man's participation in the unrest. >> you down here doing this stuff! >> members of the community did stand strong. this man, a vietnam vet, boldly

confronts a group of youngsters taunting police. >> go! >> determined to do what authorities could not, take control of this community. they do not respect this young man's death. you know. now momma and daddy lost a child. that could be them. >> the police here in baltimore are trying to beef up its presence to create more of a control situation. so we don't repeat what we saw monday night. but resources are running very thin. that's why they pulled in a lot of outside help. we have cnn's athena jones with more about the resources that are being brought to make this situation more secure. athena what do we know? >> reporter: good morning, chris. that's right. there will be reinforcements on the streets of baltimore today. much-needed extra resources. we're already seeing some deployed at this early hour this morning. here's what they'll have 5,000 law enforcement officials, 1,500 national guard members, 40 additional state troopers. we already saw state troopers out last night along with baltimore county police

officers. and there's also going to be this mandatory curfew we've been talking about from 10:00 p.m. until 5:00 a.m. now, whether they'll be able to maintain that curfew remains the big question. as you mentioned, baltimore city public schools are closed today. so we'll have to see what kind of activity that brings. i say that because what we saw yesterday outside of the high school that's less than a mile from the church where freddie gray's funeral was held was a lot of young people involved in these confrontations with the police. throwing rocks, throwing stones chunks of concrete bricks setting trash cans on fire. yesterday we also saw police taking a mostly defensive posture. we saw them struggling to establish a perimeter early on struggling to hold the line against these teenagers. and even as we saw police being injured, being carried away and bloodied our team it was about two hours before we saw them begin to start making arrests. so whether police will show that kind of restraint again today should things begin to blow up restraint that many people are

saying was far too much restraint, that is going to be the question for today. chris. >> right. and the answer to that question will also fold into what they are told to do athena, right? what the plan is. we'll be following that. you have to remember baltimore is not some little enclave or small town. this is a major city. 600,000 people just 40 miles from the white house. and that's where an emergency meeting had to be called between the president and his new attorney general loretta lynch. she is now facing her first crisis just hours after being sworn-in. so what will the plan be there? cnn senior white house correspondent jim acosta has more on that. jim. >> and, chris it's not just loretta lynch facing this at the time. president obama is once again facing a test on this issue of alleged police brutality. this time in baltimore as he did last year in ferguson missouri the president is likely to speak out on the violence in baltimore later today when he holds a news conference with japan's prime minister shinzo abe.

it was quite the first day on the job for attorney general loretta lynch. both the president and lynch met about the unrest in baltimore just hours after she was sworn-in as the new attorney general. we have a picture of that to show you. and she released a statement later on condemning this violence. we can put that up on screen. she says i condemn the senseless acts of violence by some individuals in baltimore. those who commit violence actions ostensibly and protested the death of freddie gray do a disservice to his family loved ones and legitimate peaceful protesters working to improve their community for all its residents. we should point out the president also spoke as well last night. lynch, for her part she's sending justice department officials to say assess the situation in baltimore. yesterday, the white house sent several officials from the administration to the funeral of freddie gray. but you know chris, the president has not always raced outd to the microphones to speak out after an incident like this occurs. but he may have no choice but to do that later on today.

and they are sensitive to the optics over here chris. you mentioned that meeting that the president had with loretta lynch. that was a previously scheduled meeting, the white house says. they wanted to point that out. but of course they talked about the situation in baltimore. and they did not allow all reporters and all photographers into the room presumably so the president would not be asked a question about this. that attorney general loretta lynch not be asked a question about this. so there's some sensitivity to the optics of this as well chris. >> well optics are always in play right, jim? one thing we know is leadership matters. and more is better in times of crisis. so let's talk about what's going on here right now. we have mary cook she is part of the legal team representing the family of freddie gray. and we have brandon scott, baltimore city councilman. thank you to both of you. >> good morning. >> the family yesterday, they expected a day of bereavement and calm so that they could lay their loved one to peace. they got the opposite. how are they handling it? >> last night they obviously told everyone how they felt asked for everyone to be

peaceful. they've been so devastated by the loss of their son, the one thing they wanted was peace and calm on the day he was actually you know buried. and asked the community to do that. the community didn't honor their wishes. and in that way they dishonored freddie's legacy. so i think disappointment and hope that after the terrible events of yesterday that there will be calm and that people will step back and allow the investigation to take the forefront because that's what really matters at this point in time. >> that is his legacy of freddie gray will be the truth of the situation. and any way you look at it, this is a distraction from that no matter how justified people may feel about their outrage. >> absolutely. nobody's talking about all the information the police has had hasn't been released no one's talking about what happened between the plid and freddie gray. people need to talk about it because we don't want anymore freddie grays. in order for there to be no more freddie grays, wefr to investigate this we have to get justice for freddie and his family. but we have to change the way we

police the community so these events don't happen anymore. >> you know councilman a big reason as you've been learning being around the media here a big reason you go out last night and put yourself in situations you probably shouldn't be in is because this incentivizes yes sometimes they foment. you have a line of police with shields and in front you have a kid on a bike with a gas mask right in front of them. there was a lot of brazen confrontation last night. what do you see in the eyes of that man in the mask? why is he there? >> we know why he's there. we know in baltimore and every city in america there is a long long long standing issues with young african-americans and some of our communities. and this is not one person's fault. this is generations, as i said yesterday, i have been imploring ever since i was on this council for more people to get involved with these young people because we know some of them have been forgotten by even their own families. so we're talking about years and

decades of mistrust of misfortune of despair that's just coming out in anger. and just trying to help them understand that this is not the way to go about it that people do love them people do care about them. no it is not right for them to burn down their own city but that is what's coming out of these young people. >> martin luther king, the last set of riots here in the '60s were in the aftermath of his assassination. he said riots are the language of the voiceless. but the leaders give them voice. when you look at the mayor it's easy to cast blame looking backwards, but it's also important to do. this idea that space was supposed to be given yesterday, is that a fair accommodation? or should there have been more presence? >> i think folks are taking out of context. >> please. >> what i understand from saturday is they didn't want -- we can't play monday morning quarterback both ways. after ferguson we said the police were too aggressive. they tried to from my opinion, looked like they tried not meet

with the immediately aggressive on saturday and some of which of them say they were not being violent then as a by-product of that space was given. that's what they're saying not that they intentionally gave them space. good bad or indifferent they got the space because they were less greaseaggressive. but jump yesterday -- >> unless you saw it different pli, please speak your mind they were watching a lot of criminal activity. >> right. >> like they'd been told stand down stand down. >> we don't know the orders they were given, but think also have to be safe as well. and growing up not too far from that area you're talking about an area where it is very very very wide open. and people can come from lots and lots of directions. so they have to be safe as well. yes, no one wants to see the rioting and looting, but take all considerations and easy for us to sit here and criticize, for me the important thing is how are we? how are the citizens the average everyday citizen many of

whom have called me they want to get out, get order and repair the neighborhoods and their city. >> that's what was damaged last night. the police weren't hurt last night. i know it's a big change cvs, that was jobs. >> that community is filled with a lot of seniors who probably can't get to any other pharmacy. some of the young people probably work in that pharmacy. it's important to point out that some in the neighborhood has never been rebuilt since 1968 yet. it's important not just to imu implore people that they should be angry, they should be angry any time anyone dies in baltimore. as i mentioned in one of my schools yesterday i asked them all to raise their hand if they lost someone to violence in the city of baltimore. all of them raised their hand. i said keep your hand up if anyone protested for them they all put their hands down. so dealing with years of trauma. and we have to figure out ways, again, i implore people we have to work bet we are these young people moving forward. every kid that wants a mentor in baltimore should have it.

starting today. >> very clear and consistent with your own, there's no question that there's confusion cou caused by the mayor. she was saying giving space for people to destroy, saying we know there are going to be bad things and that's okay too. whether she was taken out of context or not, it created a confusion and now it takes us back to this main question again. if you do not get answers about freddie gray where it be confusing or they were clarifying what happens? how soon do you need that? >> you need it right away. the thing that sort of boggles my mind is that a lot of this information is static. what i mean is when you're talking transmissions between police officers reports written by police officers when you're talking about interviews that have been taken and signed off on they don't change. so i understand and appreciate that the prosecutor's office needs to do their work too, anded justice department. but people have a right to information because this is our city and our government. >> and haven't had a statement since the 12th from five out of

six police officers. >> that's right. we have heard none of that. i don't care where the investigation goes that information is going to remain the same throughout the course of the investigation. so let people know what you know. go out on the streets, tell them what video you've collected, tell them what people you've talked to. tell them where you are in your investigation and explain to them the process. because there really hasn't been an explanation of the process. >> everything you've done in all your years of practice you've been on both sides of the bench right now. >> i have. >> what is your sense of what's going on with this investigation? because i have to tell you it doesn't line up optically as a very complex situation. >> my sense of this investigation, and i have to say i have to give a little bit of credit i talked about this last night and i'll talk about it again to the baltimore sun, my sense is parts weren't started soon enough. as soon as those kga tamepes were listened to if i'm in charge of this investigation, you go to every one of those locations,

you ask anybody whether or not they have video, you collect that video. that wasn't done. because one of those shopkeepers actually who had video pointed to one of the stops on the wagon said my video was gone. after six days you came to me eight or nine days later. >> overwhelmed or undermotivated? >> you know i don't know the answer to that. i just have to say not very well executed. because you've got a young man who is in critical condition. he was found unresponsive in the back of your van. you have an obligation to that young man just like any other person who is injured or murdered in this city. do the investigation and do it immediately and collect the evidence. every homicide detective knows that the first 24 hours after a homicide are the most important or the most critical for the collection of evidence. >> clarity creates consensus. the sooner you get information, the sooner the community can process it and the family as well. councilman thank you very much. look forward to speaking with you as we continue the dynamic here. we're going to have more from baltimore in a moment but

there's also breaking news. so let me get back to new york. >> okay, chris. we do want to bring people breaking news now and it is out of nepal. our own sanjay gupta has been there at a hospital for us. the death toll from the earthquake is soaring well beyond 4,000 people. rescue crews are still digging through tons of rubble to find survivors. so cnn's chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta, as i said is in katmandu. he joins us live. sanjay give us the latest. >> reporter: well more than three days now after the earthquake you're seeing what it has come to in some regards, alisyn. this is a field hospital. you can tell, i'm not sure how good the images are that you're seeing here but we're outside chlts i mean this is literally in the middle of a field. and they are taking care of patients now in this field hospital a pregnant woman getting an ultrasound earlier. they are casting fracturing they're even doing minor operations out here.

literally this is something like you've never seen before. and they're constantly moving patients in and out. this is a very very important time alisyn. 72 hours, it's that critical time period where they think the likelihood of survival is going to be the greatest. once you move beyond those 72 hours things start to get even more dire. just take a look. again, i just want you to see this. see some of these images these are people literally on stretchers. they're being taken back and forth. there are so many others who are waiting. i almost hate to say that these are the lucky ones but they are the lucky ones because so many others have not been rescued. efb if they have been rescued they're not able to get this sort of care. it is really extraordinary. this is the nepalis army. many medics many doctors trying to do this work. helicopters flying overhead again, these rescue missions are ongoing. michaela. >> sanjay thank you for that. we know the transmission was a little difficult, but it is important for us to see the ongoing efforts there. they will continue and we'll continue our coverage.

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that is challenged and do not need this and not be harmed in a way we have today. >> that was baltimore police commissioner anthony batts reacting to monday's riots. the national guard and more police have been called in response. we want to turn to the president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives also the deputy chief operating officer of public safety in dekalb county georgia. police force certainly getting its test cedric. we need to talk to you. we need law enforcement perspective on this and specifically yours. first of all, i got to get your reaction to what we see happen overnight in baltimore. what do you think went wrong? >> well you know we're all very sad about what happened last night. we're talking about a major american city with a great deal of civil unrest, a long history of discontent between police and community. but we have to move forward and away from where we were last night.

and i encourage all the parents in and around baltimore, particularly in the city to keep your children off the street so that that city can begin to make some recommendations as to how it's going to move forward. i think we all are very sensitive to what's going on across the country. but, michaela i have to tell you last night was just what we saw with many acts of just criminality that should not have occurred. but it's kind of a very difficult place that that city is in right now. >> i think it sickened a lot of us i have to say, cedric. i want to ask you, to your point about keeping the kids at home do you think it's the right move to keep kids out of school and enforce a curfew? do you think it's the proper move? >> i think it's the proper muf to make right now. here's the thing we also have to keep in mind too, michaela, is the fact that the mayor and the leadership in that police department commissioner batts, they're doing the very best they can under the circumstances. you know there is not a

playbook in terms of how to manage these types of situations when they occur. if we go back last year to ferguson we're seeing a very different optic here. even though the police are being criticized for not moving fast enough we also criticized ferguson last year some optics we're certain very uncomfortable with we have not seen in baltimore. sometimes it's six in one, half a dozen in the other. >> basically you've talked about this catch-22 that if you have too much of a police presence it becomes a police state. and then the police force took so much heat in ferguson when that happened. >> right. >> but doesn't it feel to you, cedric that there were not -- there was not enough preparation for the escalating violence last night? >> well, i don't really think, and i don't want to speak for baltimore, but i don't think they had any idea that things would erupt so quickly in that city. so in their preparation, and we don't know what information they were operating on what intel

information they may have gathered. i have to leave that to the leadership there in baltimore. but i believe under the circumstances that they did as best they could. but getting back to these kids again, michaela is important that the parents keep them off the street tonight. and keep them home give this community an opportunity to take a breath so that they can be more planful going forward in terms of how they're going to meet challenges that they may have. >> cedric we do know a few things though. it's michaela speaking again. you have alisyn and michaela in studio talking to you. >> yeah. >> we do know that the mayor was part of a group of people that were tasked with sort of writing this playbook post ferguson. so we know that she has been involved in trying to make a plan for this. we also know that there was social media and text messaging. some sort of effort some people are calling the purge that was going around to sort of activate these group of teenagers. so to your point about keeping the kids at home that's one

aspect. but what needs to be done in terms of community policing to make sure there's sort of a countereffort online to sort of combat those messages that are going out? >> well one thing that can happen hopefully is that local government there in the police department can jump in on social media, give some direction, some leadership as to what needs to happen need not to happen. but i think very importantly i will say too as well that here again that city needs an opportunity to recapture, regain itself. and police having an opportunity to do that during this curfew will allow them a chance to do exactly that. that's to catch a breath. but here's the thing i have to point out. there is no playbook to this. if you look at what happened last night, and i'm looking at it from a thousand miles away but if you look at what happened last night, what you're also seeing is some strategic movements that were made by young people in and around that

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you're watching "new day." i'm chris cuomo in baltimore. this is where anarchy took over some of the streets with protesters or who were once supposed to be protesters turned into rioters angry over the death of freddie gray or maybe just angry for reasons of their own. at least 27 arrests were made. more than a dozen police officers were injured in the mayhem when rioters were throwing bricks bottles rngs explosive devices whatever they

could find at police. a state of emergency was declared by the governor. some say too late. the national guard is on its way. some say too late. baltimore so low on resources they had to request 5,000 police reinforcements from nearby states. to keep people out of harm's way schools are closed in baltimore today. and there's a curfew in effect 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. the question is whether it be able to be enforced here or will we see a repeat of last night as the violence was escalating. don lemon spoke with the city's embattled mayor and governor of maryland. things got tense. and you take a look and judge for yourself. >> what took so long there to get resources into place? >> i think that we have to respond to what was going on at the ground. we've seen what happened when resources were brought in and escalated the violence. we didn't want to see that happen in baltimore.

i was measured and wanted to make sure we had the appropriate response to what was going on on the ground. when we saw the breakout violence in the small groups we realized that it was time to bring in additional resources. and i'm very grateful for the governor's cooperation. >> there are citizens who my colleagues have spoken to i've spoken to police officers here saying listen, this was allowed to get out of control because the protesters not the peaceful ones obviously but the ones who caused this chaos, they were given too much leeway. and that that is the reason this happened. >> let me look in se in defense of the mayor, now is not the time to question what happened in the past. we're here to try to fix what's happening now. >> i understand that but i respectfully disagree with you, governor. >> we've got all the help we need and we're going to get this situation under control. >> governor all due respect but i think now is the time to get answers. it's happening now. >> what's happening now is we've activated a state of emergency. i just came from the emergency operation center. we have up to 5,000 police officers coming from all over

the mid-atlantic region. we have 5,000 national guard coming. >> why didn't that happen on saturday after there was so much chaos on saturday? when the emergency order was had been signed why didn't that happen on saturday? >> it wasn't signed until today when the mayor requested -- >> your office said it was signed. >> no it was just signed -- >> so that's inaccurate. >> we've been standing by in preparation just in case the violence escalated, which it did. when the mayor called we activated. >> i have to ask again, why was this not in place saturday or sunday when the situation began? >> i don't know how many times we can tell you, but we can't activate until we've been asked to come in. the mayor and the city are in charge. they believe they were taking the appropriate actions. when they asked us to come in we came in. >> we will bring order. we will do it collaboratively. i am determined that this darkest day will not define our city. we will have order. we will have control. and those individuals who we've caught on camera destroying our city will be brought to justice.

>> we're now taking over the situation. this is not going to continue. people will feel the city's safe. >> how are you going to enforce a curfew? >> thank you for your time. >> how are you going to enforce a curfew tomorrow when kids are out of school and they've said many of the young people are the people doing this? it's what? say again, ma'am? i'm sorry. >> they can walk away from the questions, but the questions aren't going to go away. joining us now maryland house delegate from baltimore city jill carter and baltimore district seven councilman nick moseby. thank you for being with us. >> good morning. >> help me understand a bit of the situation. the mayor and governor seem to be on the same page but not wanting to deal with how we got to this point. isn't that a fair question jill about how we got to what we had to deal with last night? >> i think they're questions but i think the first point of responsibility has to lie with the mayor, the leader of the city.

there was information, there was intelligence yesterday because it was put out through media that they expected something to happen. the question is do they act soon enough and do they do enough to prevent the problem of yesterday and what is likely to follow i think in coming days. >> what's the answer in what you saw yesterday? do you think the mayor had a plan in place? do you think that they were properly equipped and ready to go if something happened that was wrong? do you think they were intentionally giving space? what do you think happened? >> i think it was a disaster. because i think that as always the police presence was there to contain the problem within certain communities. too much destruction was apparently allowed to happen. i mean if they knew in advance this was going to happen when school let out, then i'm not sure why there wasn't some effort to go into the schools to maybe do something to hold students longer to do something to prevent it rather than let it happen. >> nick what's your take? you know that community very well. you understand what motivates the peoples hearts and minds there. was there a reason to know this was going to happen? >> definitely.

we knew at the end of the day very early on it was a lot of energy behind this purge movement that was going through -- >> purge is a reference to this movie where all crime is okay. >> yeah yeah. >> it was a metaphor for let's go out and make trouble. >> and it was amongst baltimore city high school students, all over social media. >> it became more than that. >> the problem is baltimore city police came out with this threat yesterday that some of the local gangs were banning together and going to attack police. >> had you heard that also? >> no. i haven't heard that from anyone else but the police department. and i think maybe that's where their focus was because clearly tactically they weren't ready for these children. i don't think they expected the children to be able to heighten the level of riot the way that they did starting at mondawin mall. i got stuck in the streak about 4:00 yesterday on north avenue right in the middle. i saw a police car get busted out and everything. >> just so we're on the same page purge was not a secret. it was online. people were talking about it. you heard it in official and

unofficial capacities. >> totally. >> absolutely. >> okay. the rules of engagement seem to be different than usual for police on the ground. they seem to be watching things going on. i know they had to be safe but even when you had 30 50 100 officers in line, there seemed to be a high degree of tolerance. do you think this was a plan by the office of the mayor or otherwise say hold back, we don't want a ferguson? >> no. >> i think you disagree? >> absolutely. i think it was. >> and you think it wasn't. >> routinely go around super aggressive policing zero tolerance for any kind overactivity going on from these young people. and yesterday they acted completely opposite to their normal behavior. >> well, you know that the theory of policing in those situations is ordinarily that. you take on those small agitators first because it discourages more. >> absolutely. but that did not happen. >> you don't think that was intentional? >> no. i think they came ill prepared and it escalated quicker than

they could respond. >> at the end of the day showed up with 50 to 70 officers plus tankers. but they weren't prepared for students deciding to congregate and nor were they prepared to push south for communities for folks to start joining in. that's when it went out of hand and took over. >> so now you have the communities hurt themselves right? that's cvs, yeah it's a chain, i get it they have a lot of money. but those are jobs and prescriptions. the mom and pop shop the people's cars, their homes, sense of safety that's all been damaged. but something else has been damaged that may be more the search for answers for freddie gray. right now the community seems to be more of an example of the problem on their side than a problem on the policing side. what do you do with that? >> i think it's a combination. i think that freddie gray is an example, right? it's the culminating effect on what we see in the communities. but i think these young folks are just really frustrated they're really angry. and not to say or condone their

actions, but i think they're speaking out and begging for help. those kids out there thousands upon thousands they seem themselves as freddie grays, right? and their voices through their actions which is violence and again it's not correct, it can't be condoned. however i think they're speaking to us loud and clear. and as a city a state, a nation we need to speak up to urban american kids. >> i hear you and you've spent so much of your young life acting as a mentor to help kids who may not have the best guidance understand the best way forward. politically we know the problem you're going to face now you'll have people watching whether they're haters or don't get the reality of living on the -- they divide us at a time when we come together the most. we need your voices here and hopefully we're having a different conversation tomorrow than we're having today. >> we hope so. >> that's all we can do is hope for right now. there's going to be a lot more coming from baltimore. but there's a lot of news as well. let me get you back to new york. all right, chris, great conversation as you mentioned. we will have more from

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now in a state of emergency -- 27 people arrested 15 officers injured. the state of maryland is calling in the national guard and 5,000 police reinforcements from neighboring states. schools are closed in baltimore today. a 10:00 p.m. curfew will take effect tonight. helicopters have successfully evacuated dozens of stranded hikers back to base camp at mt. everest. rescue teams still on the ground digging through tons of rubble looking for earthquake sur vooir vooifrs. the death toll soaring to more than 4,400. the u.n. estimates the earthquake affected 8 million people. >> such a dire situation on the ground. a frightening close call to

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a landmark tkpaeu at the supreme court. justices will hear arguments on whether the constitution provides gays to marry. gentlemen, great to see you. jeffrey, what is going to happen in those hal yoed hauled behind you today? jeffrey, can you hear me? >> he can't hear you. >> mike let me start with you. what do you think is going to happen today? there are four cases condensed into one that the supreme court is going to hear. what do you think is going to happen? >> every indication we have seen

is that the justices are going to rule in favor of marriage based on the fact they let the court rulings stand. i don't know jeffrey knows more than me. he can hear you now. >> it's an active scene where you are and we can hear the ambient noise. describe what you think is going to happen? >> this issue has been aired a great deal at the supreme court and i don't think there will be any surprises at the justices' questioning, and court after court has said that ruling mean marriage equality has to come state after state and the supreme court let all those rulings go into affect, and if

the supreme court were to rule against same-sex marriage half of those states would have to roll it back. >> why not leave it to the states? >> that's right. that's the argument they are going to hear but the justices already allowed courts in about half of those 37 states to have impose same-sex marriage to allow same-sex to proceed. so it's just very hard to imagine that they would have let all these marriages and then take it back a year later, and that's the point i am trying to make. >> mike we know that all eyes when this will be decided, will be on justice kennedy, he is considered the swing vote however, at the white house correspondent dinner you saw

justice scalia. >> i thought it was an opportunity to say hi and introduce myself, and he loves to pronounce my last name because we are both italian, and i told him i would be inside the court and said it was an exciting day, and he shrugged and and smiled and i said i hope you will do the right thing and vote for the gays. >> is there a possibility what they decide today will be a split decision or what they decide going forward, they will allow the states who already legalized gay marriage to continue and those marriages to be valid but not other places? >> there are two questions before the quart today, and one is the straightforward court that must all 50 states allow same-sex marriage and the other question is in states where there is not same-sex marriage

must they honor and give benefits to individuals that were married in states in which same-sex marriage was legal, and the possible split decision would be allow the states that don't have same-sex marriage to honor the marriages that take place elsewhere, but don't force them to allow marriages themselves. that is a compromise that is possible. the court has given no indication though they are moving in that direction. every indication, and we will see, and predictions are difficult as i have learned painfully, but every indication that the court has given is they are heading in the direction of saying simply all 50 states you must allow all gay people to get married. >> i assume there are protests outside the supreme court. who is yelling near you? >> there are a lot of paw poepbants of gay marriage to say the least, and lots of signs about the bible and lots of

yelling about how homosexuals are sinners, and evil. >> if i could add one point about the protests at the supreme court, you hear one person yelling in the loud speaker, so i wouldn't draw many conclusions about the state of public opinion except one annoying guy that is yelling about how he hates homosexually. these protests are organized by advocacy groups skprpbgs i don't think they mean much of anything about how the public feels about this or the justices. >> yeah, that guy with the loud speaker may not be the best representation. you can see behind us the result of the rioting last night and the national guard is supposed to show up and here

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alisyn and michaela are in new york for you. right now you are looking at live picture of the governor and a lot of police presence around him and he is trying to be more visible now, and leadership was needed yesterday and was noticebly absent and they want to make it a different day here in baltimore this morning. the schools are closed and there is a curfew in effect 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 in the morning. all of the violence yesterday happening on a day that was supposed about reverence and peace, the day that freddy gray was buried and the governor was forced to call in the national guard and they are assembling behind thus morning, and maryland got 5,000

reinforcements from neighboring states and schools will be closed and it's all about keeping track of kids that there is a theory now that there was a purge, a reference to a movie. cnn had people in the action all day and all night. here is a look at what we saw. on a day that expected peace and mourning police stood down and that was a mistake. the funeral of freddy gray marked the worse day of rioting in baltimore since the '60s. >> this is one of our darkest days as a city and i know we are much better than this. >> national guard and waves of cops fanning out after the governor declares a state of emergency, and looters took advantage of the police injuring police journalist and

each other. >> freddy gray wasn't that type of person to break into stores or nothing like that. i don't like it at all. >> governor and the mayor facing criticism for standing down on such a charged day. >> we have been standing by in preparation just in case the violence escalated, which it did. >> darkness adding to the danger, and brazen standoffs between masked men on both sides hurling anything they could, even explosives at cops. pepper pullets in large supply along a wall of resistance. and then what seems to be a suicide mission, a car racing towards the police stopping.

local stores lit up spreading to an ajoying apartment. a mother and her boy aby escaping just in time. word of a purge where all crimes are absolved for 12 hours. a large number of juveniles contributing to the violence now gripping the city. the commissioner calling on parents to take care of their kids. >> members of the community did stand strong. this man boldly confronts the kids. >> they do not respect this young man's death, you know. now, mama and daddy done lost a child, and that could be them. >> the community needs to step up of course and it needs

leadership around it to help. >> reporter: let's go back to the live pictures right now, the governor on the scene. absent yesterday and notably so and he is thanking the police officers that did the work last night, and he vowed this will not happen again today and into tonight. the question is why did it happen at all? how did this get out of control so quickly? cnn national correspondent, jason carroll, has that for us. jason, as i say, we are watching the governor now and he is in the media now, and you have to look back to how you got here? >> absolutely chris. that's what a lot of people are questioning. how did so that of this happen last night, and officials saying they did not expect to see the images they saw last night and that's why you have the heavy police and law enforcement presence out today. state troopers out here at the intersection of west north and

pennsylvania, and this is the flash point of where we saw so much unrest last night, and the cvs was looted and burned. certainly a much longer presence in the city of baltimore, some 5,000 law enforcement officials out here on the ground. 1,500 national guard members in the city as well although the city has access to 5,000 if needed and also a number of additional state troopers on the ground some of them you have already seen and you talked about the mandatory curfew from 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. the mayor heavily criticized for her reaction and she was saying she doesn't want to overreact given what she has seen in other cities and we saw a number of people coming out and bringing water to some of the state

troopers who were out here and in addition to that coming out here to clean it up. one woman struck me her name is star and she lives in the neighborhood chris, and she was pregnant and she was crying when she saw the images of the cvs out here today. she says it tears at her heart. she said chris, we simply failed these children and failed the young people out here today and she is looking for answers, chris. >> reporter: jason, it's so important for you to stay on who is there and what they are doing. those people out there cleaning up that's what the woman is about. the young woman that needs pampers and prescriptions from cvs, that's what happens. how do you change the situation here? that's part of the job of the nation's new attorney general and she is likely not to forget her first day on the job, loretta lynch, of course was summoned to the white house.

let's bring in our senior cnn white correspondent, jim acosta. >> reporter: the president, we do expect from talking to people at the white house, he will speak out on this issue in baltimore later today, and he is with japan's prime minister today, and the president and lynch met about the unrest in baltimore hours after she was sworn in as attorney general and she released a statement on the violence and she said i condemn the senseless act of violence and the president spoke by phone

with governor last night, and the white house sent several officials from the administration to the funeral of freddy gray yesterday, but, chris, you know, loretta lynch is facing a test, and this one is for the president, he has to speak out on this and we expect him to do that when he is asked about it later on chris. >> reporter: leadership starts at the top, and the man standing next to me is probably more important to this community than either of president or loretta lynch, and he is reverend jamal bryant and you have been organizing protests here reverend. the question is why did it fall on to you yesterday when the purge was going on and yes, it was the first wave of kids and it's tough to police kids because you don't want to do too much to them, and nobody was

here but you were here and you were using your men to organize and create lines and the cops were letting you do it. >> right. >> reporter: what was going on? >> we had to build a wall. a peace treaty was signed by the bloods and the kreups to start violence. >> the officials are saying we had no idea we couldn't have prepared we had no reason to expect but you did. i am not saying you were withholding information, and you heard about a purge, and you took the time to meet with the gang members so they could spread the word of what? >> of peace. i was engaged and alarmed because for seven days we had marches and demonstrations with no incident or accident and then saturday happened and then i had to bring back into focus that looting doesn't bring justice and to have vin skwrupbs

doesn't bring justice. i said we have to come to bear -- 150 ministers, and this is what is not on the press, 150 ministers met with gang members and came to accord and today going through the streets, we will start to clean up and standing in to tell these young people this is not how we are going to do our job. >> if you had the og's saying we will keep our people quiet. >> these were not gang members, these were high schoolers, a lot of them have on uniforms. >> reporter: this purge thing we heard about, it was on social media? >> i don't want to be a conspiracy theorists, and you have one thing, one, the purge thing comes out while we were in the funeral, and we never had a purge in baltimore until this day, and number three, we have not had a presence of the black

tkpwau tkpwau reul kwrauz here. >> let's see what happens with the eyebrow, the mayor. she is going back and forth and standing next to the governor and they don't want to talk about the fast only the future? >> right. i don't think they have seen it in this degree. baltimore has not seen it at 1968 within the hours of king's assassination.ou have seen this is a long way from ferguson and how it is that we have met at this hour. >> reporter: once they say we had it wrong and they start to bring in the forces and not having the national guard and those forces engage early on and

watching destruction and watching violence what did you make of that? >> you have to realize, again, these are not adults these are children. so bringing in the national guard for children took a different kind of sensitivity, and i am not sure they were prepared for, and they were at the top of their capacity and so everybody was shirking responsibility to somebody else. >> here is the question i have been raising. how does burning down a senior center bring justice for freddy gray. >> reporter: what do you think about it? >> i think it's a shame and black eye to the city and for us to watch that yesterday, all of us who are baltimoreans and felt this city felt a great level of remorse because we could not believe what was taking place.

>> reporter: now, let's talk about this this is the stage, and people are talking about baltimore, there is the problem, angry black people don't know how to control their own, and we lose perspective in moments of crisis. what is your message for what people saw last night and what it means for the overall saw tphaur yo? >> what they saw last night was angry black youth but they did not put into perspective how african-americans have become frustrated and there they are, they became upset because an unarmed black man has been killed and there they are, eric gardener 11 times he says i can't believe, and nobody finds themselves indicted so this has been a mounting tension is what malcolm gladwell calls the tipping point, and when is the

system going to see, there's a larger issue here the criminal justice system in america. >> the first problem will be that when you become what you say you hate you lose the moral authority of saying we want change. when you become the violence and destruction. >> i agree. >> so do you control that? >> you have to change it. today schools are closed number one, two, three and seven, it's a bad mistake. >> why? >> because these are young people out. >> you don't know where they are now? >> and the people watching them are going to be working. >> absolutely. i opened up my church and send your kids to empowerment temple church, and we will do a one day class on taking them in the community to go and clean up what was messed up.

>> reporter: let me know i will bring a camera there and we want to encourage that obviously, because we want to know where all the kids is because they are susceptible to all of this. you have due process, and you had trials in some of the cases and they have reached their verdict of a jury of their peers, whether it's zimmerman or in new york about not having an indictment there, or whether it's what happened with daren wilson and there not being an indictment there, but how do you teach respect for the process? >> but when you will consider last week the shooting of walter scott, and it was the 2121 21st century, we're talking about we can't get an indictment to stand trial. when you look at what happened in chicago, that kid that was shot in the back of her head by the police and he is found not guilty and she is dead we have

questions as to how that made it out. loretta lynch has an incredible task in front of her because the entire system has to be purged. >> when you look at it, and i get it and most people with a heart and mind get it it doesn't seem right, and we have the process, and those are people like you and me -- >> they are not seeing the grand jury is my point. >> but it happens. >> rarely. >> the grand jury decides whether or not to indict, and you get people together and they make their decision. >> let me take you -- >> if there were not a grand jury, i would get it. >> we have the officers bill of rights and that suggests officers have ten days before they have to testify or have a lawyer. >> unheard of anywhere else in the question and once you do they have a rule they do not give to citizens which is you

interrogate them one-on-one. very frustrating. >> and it may not be admissible in the court. and the other issue that we are having in our frustration is that until you are charged with a felony you can only get suspension with pay, so you say this to a community that 67% in poverty, 67% unemployed and you say this officer killed your innocent child but he is still getting a check, and you take it to chicago, how do you then justify that the officers are able to go and take a vacation and the judge says because it was already prepaid, which 866,000 black men, while we are standing here are in jail 1 million black men are under super sraeugs making it more than the entire continent of africa it's more than a grand jury it's a system shifted against african-americans, and you are seeing marching and

protesting to sanford and now in baltimore looking for a complete redress. >> what do we need reverend? as much as we have marvelled and watching what your efforts here and we were worried for you yesterday, and you were lined up before the police were doing it we were worried. these are big problems we are talking about, generations of problem? >> alcoholics anonymous says you have to admit you have a problem. >> we are not talking about freddy gray enough because we need politicians and what are your governor and mayor saying this morning, it was not my fault. was not my fault. we will do better today. and what happens if the investigation comes back and says we don't know what happened to freddy gray and maybe he had a vulnerable spine?

>> we have three different investigations and my odds are higher that somebody is going to come back with a right report. i am glad loretta lynch got installed and i am glad she met with the president, and she is going to have to make african-american equity the highest priority. the prison system is the new plantations in america and it has to be addressed from top to bottom. >> you are going out there with the right message. >> yes. >> you have from the beginning, and today you are saying these kids are out there and we don't know what we're doing, and that's not to paint all kids to be bad kids and you are going to have them come to your church and we will have a camera there, and we will all keep asking for the answers. once they come we will have to hope it's an acceptance.

>> tonight we are doing a mass crisis citywide town hall meeting, one to be available to vent and dr. king said riots are the language of the unheard and the people in baltimore have to be unheard, and then we will let people vent and then we are going to be talking about solutions and strategies as to how we are going to move forward. >> are you going to be the governor or the mayor. i want the people to be able to respond. >> thank you. >> reporter: you heard from the reverend and he is one of the leaders that stood up and tried to make a difference and we are going to be following his efforts here and it's a big story and we will stay with baltimore, but there are other developing stories so let me give you back to new york. >> what a voice of strength that reverend is and we will look forward to seeing what his actions do today. we want to go to the other development this morning, the aftermath in nepal. they are trying to find

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the hospital and many asking did she act too late. we have michael nutter. it's times like these a mayor is being tested. i am curious how you are watching this and your reaction to what you are seeing in baltimore is? >> we have been watching this situation in baltimore for sometime every since, let me first say and express my condolences to the family of mr. freddy gray, and i don't have information that is not already out in the public about that but clearly something went terribly wrong from the arrest to his transport to ultimately his tragic death. i think we need to do our best and not withstanding everything else going on and do our best and maintain focus on that incident that tragedy, and keep our thoughts and prayers focused

on that family who is suffering. i know mayor stephanie rawlings blake, and i know her well and many do not know her, they know her only as a public figure. she is a calm and deliberate and compassionate and focused and decisive mayor and leader in this country, and we saw them last night on television but i ask you, michaela and all other commentators to keep in mind this was yesterday afternoon with high school students kids and we saw what happened in ferguson with that kind of mobilization if you will, and i can assure you, if all of that effort, if all of those officers and if the national guard is

called in for teenagers, we would be having a different conversation any kind of interaction about an over response by the city of baltimore. i am not going to second guess information that i don't have or actions that i was not there. i know about running a big city and know what it takes to run a big city and many of the commentators don't. there will be plenty enough time in the weeks to come, and the mayor said last night, of course they will do a post operation analysis. what is important today is that people understand that there needs to be calm in baltimore, that the mayor and the governor are working in partnership, and that the baltimore police department and the national guard and the state police and a variety of other agencies are out there, and you heard the reverend on earlier, people are calling for calm. we are not seeing unfortunately, and i would push back hard and i saw video not on the network

news programs but off of twitter where a young man was using his own body as a human shield to stop it. >> yes, we have seen that. i want to interrupt you -- >> let's have a balance -- >> and i agree with you. >> and some of the great heroic efforts about baltimorens, not destroying but trying to build-up and make sure people are being heard about the real issue at hand. >> i hear your points and i think those are vital to make and i want to make sure we are asking the discussion about how we make sure this does not happen again today, because the fact is some of the local leaders, we heard the pastor speaking out in the field said he had concerns over the weekend. you also mentioned the fact that you have been watching this situation since this incident began with freddy gray weeks ago. how do we make sure that we don't allow this to spiral out

of control again? some are arguing the mayor underestimated or under reacted? >> clearly the mayor is not going to allow it, and now with additional partners they are not going to allow it to spiral out of control. what have we been watching? we have been watching people in baltimore exercising their right to protest and free speech, and then all of a sudden another group of folks who have not been involved in the peaceful protests decided to move from free speech to free stuff. the pharmacy the liquor store, the mall and all of those kinds of activities have nothing to do with the death of mr. freddy gray -- >> that's a concern that is going to foreshadow the story. >> we want to make sure that justice is served here. >> we do. >> there are multiple investigations as there always are in these tragic and very

unfortunate incidents. that does not give you license or permission to burn down if that's what happened we know that the community center the senior center was burned down, and i don't know who did it or why it happened but it should not have been on fire. there were people working the other day at that cvs and people were building that community center and they are now out of jobs. >> reporter: mr. mayor. >> yes. >> when you talk about the actions of others mr. mayor, just to give a perception from somebody that watched it firsthand, i don't know how you can excuse the role of leadership here yesterday, and not planning for what seemed to be more reasonable contingencies or not having the right people in place and a plan to stem the violence yesterday before it over took portions of the city and i don't understand your motivation to miss misleadership

as a function of that mistake? >> i have not used that term and i am not suggesting anything in that regard and that's your language. >> reporter: but you seem to be talking past that point by saying commentators don't understand how to run a big city and commentators don't know what you may know that others don't know, and what do you think you know that would inform -- >> it's the fact that the commentators don't know how to run cities because they are not mayors of cities. i am not blowing past anything and the mayor is in charge and has information that none of us have and the mayor would not want something like to happen and was not negligent because some of these things took place. there is personal responsible here whether it's regarding kids in the afternoon or adults

later on and those children have parents, and i believe i have seen on your station, a mother grabbing her child and saying you should not be out here in this kind of activity. everybody has a level of responsibility. but we are where we are. again, there will be i am sure plenty of analysis about yesterday or over the weekend or whatever the case may be and the police officers i am sure, were directed to do the best they could to make sure people people were safe and they were not acts of violence between police and community leaders. again, if i remember correctedly from what the reverend said we are trying to get to where do we go from here. what are we doing now. what are the demands that people in baltimore and cities all across the united states whethering in baltimore or philadelphia or anywhere else, how do we address the real issues at hand about the unemployment or lack of opportunity or education, and what about folks coming out of prison and re-entering

opportunities? let's work on solutions. there will be plenty of enough time for beginefinger pointing and analysis and that will help us to prevent these kinds of incidents. i don't think anybody at the moment can do anything about yesterday or last night. it's great for the tv analysis and it's not leading to anybody having a job. it's not leading to children getting better educated. >> reporter: it's also -- you are not going to do anything today, probably mr. mayor, not to seem cynical to revitalize community, but by being account for what already happened you bring peace to the reverend and leaders in the community and to the hearts by those compromised last night, and when you don't want to discuss how you got into the trouble it doesn't give people confidence that you can

control the trouble going forward, and that's why i was asking you? >> i don't know what else the mayor is going to say today, and again, as i know her, i am sure she will engage with all of you in the news media and engage with her constituents and i heard the dialogue last night in terms of people she was reaching out to and talking to and i will not be in a position to solve the issues and challenges in baltimore, and i have enough on my hands here in philadelphia. she is a standup person and leader as i know her, and so i am going to leave it to the mayor in baltimore to work with constituency groups and leadership groups and people who are about positive action and change to work in partnership with them so that terrible situations like yesterday afternoon and certainly last night do not take place again in the future. i have confidence that she will work with community leaders in that regard to make sure that

baltimoreans are safe and secure and and we don't have a replay if you will of those incidents again. >> that's a point we can agree on. thank you for joining us mr. nutter the mayor of philadelphia. and we are looking at what social media played in the violence. we'll break that down. , ya know what he becomes? great proposal! let'stalk more over golf. great. how about over tennis? even better. a game changer! the ready for you alert, only at laquinta.com.

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joining us right now is somebody that understands baltimore better than most, and he covered the riots last night

and he has been doing it for decades, and his name is dan roberts. this is your city and this is what you know and love. what did you see last night? >> i saw a lot of -- i saw a city i had not seen before. i saw a city that was described to me 40 years ago after the '68 riots, and it's shocking to see it in this city. this plaza was full after the ravens won the super ball, and i have been here on a sad occasion when people gathered in the plaza to mourn people who died from addiction, and i have been here for many reasons, sad and joyous, and this is still shocking to me to see my city in this condition. >> reporter: why is it this way?

>> we have been writing for many years about the other baltimore, and this is a phrase that the attorney for the gray family used in 1983 when he ran for mayor, and he was running against a popular incumbent, william donald schafer, who was trying to rev up the city all through the '70s and into the '80s, and doing something about the loss of population and loss of manufacturing jobs, and what happened during all of that chris, was this chasm opened up between downtown central part of the city and the east side and the west side and it became concentrated with poverty and that has been allowed tofester for many years, and that's what they were talking about the other baltimore. >> reporter:fester meaning what? not getting the right education? what do you mean? >> it has not been enough.

there's a part of baltimore that has been so isolated from the other part of downtown and all the celebration is stuff, and people from out of town come here and crowd the city and the city is life on those days, and it's a vast sprawling city that never seemed to be touched by that. you have to have redevelopment and bring people back down to love cities and the population has increased in downtown baltimore, but, you know out there, the west side the east side if you drive out there and visit the city you are struck by these two baltimores. >> especially right now because that's where so much of the ensign duh saeury behavior was last night. >> they say nobody cares. martin luther king's

assassination set off riots in 1968, and he says the riot was the language of the voiceless. >> if you want to pin on it something, they express their ways in a way they don't know how. our eyes are wide open now. the sun has done stories about the police brutality in baltimore city, and we have the period of zero tolerance of policing that went on for ten years or so and that alienated people further from the police department, and it brought down crime, violent crime, during the time of martin o'malley when he was mayor, and there was a price for that in terms of the relationship between police and the community, which i believe is broken. >> we see what happened last night, and the question is how it got that way. you had trouble over the weekend, and there is talk about how the reverend who you know

he met with the older members of the gangs, saying let's have peace and where was that reflect reflected in the planning and where was the mayor to show people you matter? >> i have the same question. >> reporter: were we wrong to ask it? >> no it's a question that goes back to when we first saw the video of freddy gray april 12th and that week before he died what was going on in terms of the police response to that video? there were some people who were focussed on it and talking about it, and it all changed with freddy gray dying dying. >> reporter: what has to happen to make today better and next week better? >> i am still worried. i am still worried about what is

ahead here. we still don't have all the answers in the freddy gray case. what is in the days ahead for baltimore city here? that's a big question. it's kind of a frightening question actually to think about what the reaction might be whichever may this goes you know? so i guess we are going to have to wait and see on that every day and every hour. >> reporter: here is the hope sometimes in a failure, it winds up being a catalyst to success. you have the community motivated and people on watch and the politicians who feel a different sense of accountability going forward, and we will do our best and keep our eyes on the situation and we hope for the process of justice to play out sooner than later, and i look forward to read what you have to write because you understand it better than most. community leaders tell us they will rally gangs and students to stop the riots in baltimore. so what will happen today? we will talk about solutions next.

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what happened here last night destroyed so much of the progress that the people who actually live here -- i wanted to make sure i talked to people the people who are desperate for

better in baltimore and to let them know that i am here to support them and we are going to get through this. >> that was baltimore's phoeumayor moments ago addressing the riots. and joining us is a retired nypd detective and a author. she said what happened last night is that there were splinter groups in the protesters that went in every different direction, and police can't do that they stay in one line. on social media, they told the protesters to splinter in every different direction. isn't that a big challenge for police? >> yeah they didn't have the amount of officers on the street they should have of and they were not prepared for this and as far as i am concerned, they were not concerned because of

the mayor and if we had the 5,000 officers and the national guard, we would not have went through what we did last night. >> what went wrong yesterday? >> it's not what went wrong yesterday, it is what has been going wrong for a long time. the police department and the relationship with the minority people. the baltimore sun painted a bad picture over a year ago and nothing was done in the city's office to address that. so when we talk about what went wrong, we can't just talk about last night, but we have to talk about what has been going on and last night is a simple smaller piece of the larger picture, which is disturbing. >> couldn't the violence be quelled if the police released answers about what happened to

freddy gray? it's 16 days later? >> yeah we have three separate investigations going on. i don't know what people want? >> how about the police officers statements? how about if we released what said happened? >> we have an on going investigation right now. none of that stuff can be released. and these officers might be arrested so they don't want to jeopardize the integrity of the investigation. euflt >> how long is the investigation going to take? >> it could take a long time. you have hundreds of witnesses that need to be interviewed, and you have the follow-up from the autopsy reports still have to come in, and there is a lot of things going on in this investigation. >> do you understand the protesters say that's why they don't feel empowered. they saw something with their eyes on video and they feel like the police are covering something up? >> i understand that and they are not paying any attention

that the feds are going to come and investigate and the state and the police department is investigating. >> if i can, again, i have to go back to the fact that this is one particular case and this is a community that has seen this scenario play out time and time and time again. so the reason why there is such frustration at this particular level, and i want to make it clear that everybody involved last night were not protesters and some were looters and rioters, and there are protesters that are concerned because they see this story time and time again, but you don't have the benefit of the doubt because they experienced this time and time again. >> given even with that frustration, you are not allowed to set cars on fire and not allowed to injure police officers so what should the police force be doing, do you think? >> it's important that we separate protesters from rioters and looters. what happened at cvs was not part of a protest, it was part

of looters and rioters. there were 10,000 -- reportedly 10,000 posteaceful protesters that the media did not cover. >> were there 10,000 people out last night? >> yesterday there were 10,000 peaceful protesters who were not involved with any sort of criminal activity as well as people that we saw well documented that were involved with violent crimes. those are two separate groups and we cannot pretend they are interchangeable because they are not. we do want those who committed crimes to be addressed by the police. >> how do the police take control? >> 5,000 regional police officers coming in and the national guard, and i think they will gain control of the city today. i think we have probably seen the end of the looting and the

destruction of property that we saw. i think today will be able to gain control and if we don't, then there is a problem. >> you think they will be on foot today, and we won't see what we saw in ferguson where when they regained control, they were rolling in on tankers? >> that's what it's going to look like. the police were -- in many instances last night, the police were ambushed by rioters, and one radio car came into the area and this officer was ambushed by rioters, and they have to go out with equipment and protect the rest of the people in the city. >> you are talking about years in discrimination and frustration, and what do you want to see happen this morning? >> what i would like to see happen begins with the mayor's office as well as the police department. not only address what happened last night, but talk about solutions about this long history of police brutality. when your poor city, and

baltimore is a poor city and it has been forced to pay out nearly $6 million because of cases involving police brutality, is that a state of emergency that needs to be addressed. in addition to what is going on to the rioters and the looters, you have a systemic problem that you really need to focus in on and ask if you need the federal government to assist in because it's been years and years of this. >> i want to bring in michaela and she is in the studio, and we want to go back to chris who is on the streets of baltimore. your closing thoughts? >> reporter: i am listening to what everybody is saying and everybody has good points and valid questions and this is a complex situation that we see in places like this and you are not going to get any quick answers to what happened to freddy gray or how to fix and make communities like this stronger and all you can deal with is what is in front of you. you need accountability and

leadership from your electorates electorates, and that's going to be the test for today. >> hopefully calmer minds and hearts will prevail, and it was interesting to see what the pastor had to say and so glad you could bring us those comments. >> he said he will hold the young people there at his church and team them peace follow protest. obviously we are checking back in with him. thank you so much for being on the ground there in baltimore for us. back to you. >> reporter: we're doing the job, and we'll spend the day seeing how they are cleaning up and who is stepping up to do the right thing and we will be with the pastor and see how many kids he can keep. our breaking coverage will continue of course. we have the "newsroom" with carol costello coming up right after the break.

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good morning. i am carol costello live in baltimore this morning. thank you so much for being here for this very important special coverage we have on tap for you this morning. in baltimore anger rages and a city burns and buildings go up in flames, and i will bring you through last night to tell you what happened here that has made this city angry and sad at the same time.