street from 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 am. police have been going out with bull horns reminding people to go home. at this moment there are still people out there. and protestors are out and reporters are out. people from a mega -- mega-church are out and marching to carry a message of hope. and there is more hope out there than there were 3/424 hours ago. there are -- there is more hope than there was 24 hours ago and a press conference expected any moment. and first to jason carroll and what you are seeing. >> reporter: well we are at pennsylvania and north and what you are seeing right now, anderson, is the line of voentss that have come -- volunteers that have come out here to put

themselves between protestors and police and making more of a distance between police and the crowd here. the crowd has dwindled some in numbers. still a significant number of people but not what we saw even two hours ago. what they are trying to do now is trying to move people back just a little bit more. can you see beyond the linked chain, some people there who are still sort of caught in the middle. police trying to create more of a distance between themselves and those who are still out there. even more than just a few minutes ago -- anderson, i saw someone trying to throw something there at some of the officers there. some sort of an object there at officers. we'll see what happens now. let me try to get a better view point here. as we move through. you can see some of those here still trying to tell people to move back. to move back and to try to keep some of the peace. so you can see over there, we'll

see if we can try to get a better shot in there. thank you. just going to try to get in to get a better vantage point. the unity line that we just talked about. >> jason, we'll talk about to you. i need to go to where brian todd is. what is happening where you are? >> reporter: anderson, a pretty dangerous situation just unfolded when some volunteers were trying to push some of the demonstrators back. one of the volunteers got overzealous and pushed -- it looked like a journalist back and almost made him fall and that created a tense situation a moment ago. it has calmed down. but it is one of the things we've been watching out for. it is fairly calm. once something like this happens it, a bunch of people get in the middle of it and tamp it down and that is what just happened. and some of the volunteers, you

mentioned it is an hour before curfew and some of the volunteers have yelled out very vociferously, anyone under 17 go home. they have seen them take young people, children, and not push them but kind of escort them down the street this way and telling them to go home. they do not want to mess with the police curfew. they are determined, these volunteers, to try to keep the peace here. a moment ago with the journalist pushed back, it was very tense. but again, just as quickly, anderson, it has calmed down. and the reason is, is because largely this crowd, like the crowds we saw last week, are self-policing. when things get out of hand, several volunteers or people participating in it, come into the middle of it and try to just basically tamp down the agitation and the tension. now they are moving us back a little bit. we're not sure exactly why. but these volunteers who have come out are doing a lot of this. we don't -- from what we've

observed here, they are the ones doing this, not the police. although they may be in some communication with the police, i'm not sure. you see them up there, there is a lot of yelling and tense conversation but this has been peaceful until a moment ago. but that was tamed down very quickly, anderson. >> there are a lot of strong emotions on the streets tonight as there have been for days now. even among the peaceful protests we're seeing tonight and very strong emotion and a lot of anger and frustration and people feel their voices are not being heard. i want to check in with miguel marquez. where are you right now and what are you seeing? >> reporter: look, we're all very close to each other. brian was just over here and as we are pushing back and the volunteers tlout are doing it -- out there are doing it for a very good reason. and the festival like the iermt out here today are because

people are wanting to say this is their neighborhood and how they are going to do it. they wanted the world not to seen a line of police officers across the avenue but a line of people from the neighborhood and people who care about the neighborhood. and that said, people across baltimore came here today in the hundreds if not thousands and people with gloves on, rakes and shovels and everything in order to clean up this place. and i've been here for a week now and it is looking in very good shape based on what it was like last night. this is peninsula avenue. you are about three miles down this road, anderson. this avenue was almost a no-go zone last night. frightening looting. right down here is where they punched the holes as the firefighters we trying to establish water. less than an hour before the curfew kicks in. it has been amazing out here. it has literally felt like a

street festival. this is their neighborhood and they want the world to know that. they don't think that the police are necessary and it will be very interesting to see how it is that this police force is able to clear this area come 10:00. we can only hope that everything goes well. everybody here has been certainly focused on it going well. anderson. >> miguel, it is interesting, what is happening here at city hall is that the attorney for freddie gray's family who was just on this broadcast, he is actually now talking to this group of protestors who have been here. he is trying to explain what the family of freddie gray has been calling for and clearly he's getting a very positive response from the protestors who are here. actually, i want to bring him over here, if i could. mr. murphy, can i grab you again. what have you been telling -- what have you been telling

people? >> he wanted to know what i've told you. can i tell him? >> what have you been saying to the protestors? >> i made an analogy for them, if you are rooting for the prosecutor, and pretend their ravens' fans, would you want the ravens to tell the patriots what the strategy is, that is like general custer, you know what happened to him, it is strategy not to tell, like the mayor, what your strategy is. >> so not to show all of your cards. >> absolutely. and they heard me. and i can't talk to enough groups about this and that is where you come in. and so we want to shake sure, if you root for one team, you don't want to tell too much to the defense before they've developed their offense. >> i appreciate it. thank you.

again, it is just one group of protestors here, mr. murphy, the attorney for the gray family. joining us is our legal analyst sunny hostin, a former resident of the area here and a long time friend of the baltimore mayor we should point out. and dekalb police officer and harry houck and van jones. chief alexander, what are you seeing on the streets here and why you wanted to be here? >> well, it certainly looked much calmer than last night and that is a good sign. we'll see as the night progresses in terms of the curfew that will be upon us here in a few minutes. we're all very saddened by what we saw last night. it is absolutely horrific. when you have people that live in this community and destroying this community. and in the time i've noted that i've been here on the ground, there are so many people in baltimore that love this community that are out here

tonight trying to keep peace and that is so important as every moment goes by. and i think it will play itself out later on too when you have citizens who live in this community, who live in these neighborhoods, who certainly want to protest and talk about their concerns, which are valid ones to them. the good part of this is, however, of course, is the fact they want to do something to make a difference and she don't want to see the neighborhoods destroyed any more such as we saw last night and that is so obvious since i've been here. >> sunny, it clearly seems that the mayor here did not want a repeat of ferguson in terms of what, at least she believed, was the overresponse by the ferguson police department, the criticism now is that there was an under-response. >> that is true. and i did have -- i did have an opportunity to speak to her and there was a concern that there

was a response and you and i were both there and with a community that also has a tense situation there, and overmill tarrizing the police, there is a concern and i think she is a very measured person and this was a measured response from the mayor and people -- i think there are two sized to the -- two sides to the situation. and people think that preparedness of the police is important and others think that it is a wait and see, a very fluid situation. but i do want to piggy back a bit on what billy murphy said because the bottom line is may 1st is the deadline that the community is talking about, because that is when the police department is scheduled to turn over their investigation to the state's attorney office and people think those rorpts are to be -- those reports are to be made public and i don't know that will happen and that is

when the prosecutor continues the investigation. so i hope our viewers and the public understand they may not have all of the information. >> and mr. murphy, it sounds like that will not happen and they won't have that information that will be released. van jones, we talked to -- to guests earlier about a councilman about what do you say to young people here and to people whose voices feel they won't be concerned and you have experience in this realm and what do you say to people. >> first of all, we have to be very clear. these young people are -- they are not stupid. they have gotten the message. they have getten the mommo -- gotten the memo that america that does not care very much of them. many of them do not expect to live very long and free for very long and they've gotten the message that, listen, they're lives don't mean that much to much. and they say that black lives matter. listen to the pain under that.

you have to say that my life matters. and if you don't meet them where the pain is and say, listen, i get, it i care about you, i lover you, i want you to do well, i want you to be a winner and not a loser, let's get you to where you are to where you go. if you aren't coming with love in your heart, you will re-trigger and did that is why saying you are a thug or this or a that, you don't want to trigger them, don't call them out, but call them up, be a good influence in this community and you have a lot of influence here, and make sure when people see this community and they think good things about you and you have a chance, you pull them up and don't call them out and put them down because you are adding pain to pain. that doesn't work with young people or work with old people and it doesn't work with young people who don't feel america is there for them. >> harry, let me ask you from a police standpoint, a curfew has

been announced at 10:00 tonight and if the protests remain possessful and people -- peaceful and people are out on the street, that is a dilemma, if people are peaceful, you let people violate the curfew. how forceful do you get in trying to enforce a curfew? >> that is a very interesting question and a good question. i would hate to be the -- the chief who has to make a decision there. but the fact is i'm hoping that when we get to the countdown of the curfew, when the police officers start saying there is 15 minutes left to the curfew, 20 minutes left to the curfew, that the leaders around there will start trying to convince people to leave the streets. now, if we get to 10:00, all right, and we have no violence on there, i don't think it is a real good move for the police officers to move in. i think they would probably best wait for the clerics and the volunteers to help people

eventually move off the street. because if we have police moving in at 10:00, then we'll have a real violent situation. >> we're going to be watching very carefully over the next hour as the curfew approaches, how people respond and as to harry's point and how the community leaders try to enforce the curfew and spread the message of the curfew. police are expected to speak to the media momentarily. the last news conference before the curfew, before the 10:00 p.m. curfew, we'll bring that to you live. we expect to hear as well from a local clergy man and retired men we are expecting to hear from as well. we'll be right back.

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[click] and move only when you hear the click that says they're buckled in for the drive. never give up till they buckle up. and welcome back live from city hall. a largely peaceful protest tonight after so much violence last night. there is a small group of now about 20 or 30 people here who are chanting "black lives matter." peaceful here at city hall. there is a presence of state police as well as national guard. but not a huge police presence. but elsewhere on the streets, a heavy police presence and a heavy community presence policing themselves. tonight a town hall was held at a local church, the empower. temple church. community members came together at this tense time to share their views. emotions ran high.

here is some of this. i'm sorry, let me go to jason carroll. what is going on where you are? >> reporter: it is a lot of back and forth, anderson. you have volunteers over here in this section who have been telling people and shouting "go home, go home." and smul groups of people saying they don't want to do that and throwing bottles and other small objects. but then you have overwhelmingly a number of local volunteers regrouping and push the crowd back and said no, it is time to go home. it is time to go home. go home. also up above, anderson, police helicopter just making the announcement that the time has now come for people to start clearing the streets, as we're now just about a half an hour ahead of the curfew, the 10:00 p.m. curfew. so a bit of tension in the crowd. but the passion is from people telling those who don't want to leave to clear the area and to

go home. so that is what we've been seeing, sort of the back and forth. right there again, you heard the announcement being made. >> the cameras are still on you all. let's show them what kind of baltimore we have. we have demonstrated all day in peace and let's show them we can disburse in peace. please, let's continue to move toward home. i know there is say lot of frustration out here, you all, but if you continue to work with us, i'm going to make -- but i need you to respect the brothers and the sisters in the community and disburse quietly. let's show the world, because the eyes of the world are on baltimore right now. so let's show them that we can disburse peacefully. thank you. >> reporter: the announcement over and over, telling people the time has come to go home.

you see the woman in the black leather jacket, a local pastor, actively interacting with the volatile people in the crowd, just basically getting up into their face and explaining to them the need for them to voice their opinion, but now is not the time. to honor the curfew and to break off and go home. this woman that you see there, she's been organizing much of this throughout the early evening and through the late day. so she's going to continue to do that as i had a brief opportunity to talk to her. she said i'm going to keep working on it and encouraging people to work on it but to go home. but now is not the time. >> let's move it back. >> reporter: can you tell me quickly what you are doing. i've seen you out here all night trying to convince people to go home. >> i'm out here to convince people to go home and that justice will be served and to give process time and to show we

have unit and sure they are gang bangers but to me per people. >> can i get your name. >> reverend pamela coleman and i'm trying to keep them from getting angry and hurting one another and themselves and just trying to keep a wall of peace. >> how challenging has it been for you to get that word out and to convince some of the people out here who obviously, some of them very angry, not all but some? >> you know what, it is not about me. it is about god. just like last flight in mondawmin mall, they listened, god spoke through me. i prayed walking, i prayed before i left home, but i pray that i'm not doing this but god is doing this. >> i heard you on the loud speaker, to go home. and i heard one other person saying that you gave more

attention to this neighborhood than the mayor has. >> let me say to this, excuse me guys, i'm sweating, it is hot moving around -- our president launched an organization that bought the face space for elected officials and community leaders together as one so when you see me, you see them. when you see me, i'm representing the mayor, the governor, the president, we came together because they are in their respected places. they don't know the illsf the community so they had enough heart for the city of baltimore and the state of maryland to come and ask the spiritual leaders, in our outreach, because that's what i do, i've been doing it for 11 years, and i know the ales in the street with the young women and men and that is all that happens now. >> we are now just a little bit

less than half an hour away from the interview and what can you say to the people that don't want to leave. >> just go home and justice will be served. just go home and respect the curfew because we have to let them know that we respect the kr few and we wii -- respect the curfew and we respect them and we have to say something to them in a respectful way. >> thank you very much. anderson, i'm going to pitch it back to you. >> jaison. >> i want to bring in a member of the community of the shiloh baptist church where freddie gray's funeral was held and he's been calling for peace and trying to broker it and meeting with rival gang members and reverend carter joins me now. thank you for being with us. >> good to be here. >> explain to me the process you have been going through to reach out to gang groups and to others? >> essentially, anderson, what happened was simply that yesterday following the service of home-going for freddie gray,

jr., obviously as the whole nation knows, there was a sense of unrest that developed with some of our young persons. that escalated. i thought it was a good thing to call the same clergy who participated in the service of home-going back to the church last evening. so we did that. we had a press conference and called for peace. subsequently we said this isn't enough. we need to extrapolate on this. by that time, because of word of south, social media, about 250 clergy had come to the church. we said let's go out and march. because our community was right in the midst of all that was going on in west baltimore. our church is right in that community. and so we took to the streets. pressing for calm, getting on our knees and praying for our sisters and brothers in our community. in the context of that, members of the crips and bloods approached us because word had

gone out this they were putting out threats to police officers, they said that is not true. give us a way to let the nation know and the city of baltimore know that was not true. that brought us together at our church, had a great conversation, brought the press back and that is why we're here, still calling for peace and now the church has bridged the gap with members of the gang community in our community. >> and to see so many of the community come out on the street, that has got to make you feel optimistic about tonight. >> absolutely. because what we're seeing now is a certain calmness, civil disobedient is still taking place but with another perspective. our yb lus there is still little small pockets of this and that that may be negative but we're being heard, a voice is going forth that is positive, even with the curfew that is pending, the sense is that we're now making a difference.

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we're back here at city hall. the curfew a half an hour away. already hearing calls on street for people to disburse and go home. calls from volunteers. that message being called in part by local clergy members. many of them gathered at a local

a&mef church. community members calling out to share their stories and their pain. listen. >> the police of montgomery have harassed so many students and people think that is us but it is not. one of my friends almost died last year. he got stabbed in the back. the police didn't go to help him and they didn't investigate that. didn't nobody care. >> i grew up with freddie. the signs that i see every day that march say no justice, no peace, god is upset with this. we can't tear our city down. >> you say y'all trying to help us. help us. need us. we need help. we asking you, we begging you for help. >> they try to make this like it is an isolated event. it is in the an isolated event.

it is an extinction event. an african-american man has the opportunity in his lifetime to produce four children. when you are taking away how many kids he produced. >> the pastor brian of the empowerment church led the meeting tonight and it is good to have you on the broadcast again. a lot of the people from the meeting are out on the streets. what is the message you trying to get out there to the young people out on the streets? >> the message is very simple and clear. we are asking everybody to go home. we are, in fact, the respectable people here in baltimore, last night was an old chapter, tonight we officially became one baltimore. just like the bloods and crips came together, christians and muslims came together believing that together we will change the tide of the city and the narrative of what is taking place here. >> you said that several gang

gangs,ed -- the bloods and the crips and the black gorilla family are coming together to try to patrol, and what impact is that having. >> it is having an incredible impact and you don't even have # 00 people out because there is something called positive peer pressure and the influences of our community are not always elected officials because people can speak and others will action. this sanctuary was filled tonight and over 300 different people of faith, college students and leaders of faith believing that what was shown last night is not a full portrayal of what baltimore represents. >> and tonight do you believe people will go home in the wake -- what kind of impact do you think this curfew will have? >> i any people are going home but it -- i think people are going home but it doesn't mean

this will be resolved. this is the seventh day and on the eighth day it is a new beginning and on the eighth day it will be like the phoenix, rise out of the ashes and don't let anybody get confused, we'll be marching and protesting again but in a good way. everybody will march this sunday at 3:00 outside of city hall, and we are believing that when god gets in the midst of confusion we get a resolution and we believe there are areas of the police department that have got to be corrected and the family of freddie gray is still deserving of justice. >> pastor brian, we appreciate you taking the time to talk to us and good luck out on the streets tonight. thank you, sir. >> anderson, thank you. i hate to rush you. if baltimore if i get arrested, 80% of my spine could get severed. >> thank you. okay, sir. we have new information on the curfew.

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they will use the reverse 911 system to let people know to stay home. in addition, officers will be given discretion on how to enforce it so people are already on the their way home, for example, will not be arrested. i want to go to chris cuomo. explain where you are and what the situation is there. >> reporter: we're right over by the cvs that was burned down last night where mightel marquez and jason carroll have been doing such great reporting for us. it is an unusual situation here. yes, the curfew is coming and that means the police will move everybody else and yet there is an odd disconnect where members of the local community that are telling the media to leave, saying, hey, if you are not here they won't do anything to us which i think is really a basic misunderstanding of what is about to happen here at 10:00 p.m. certainly there is a different mood tonight, aeshnderson. they are thinking about protecting the community and they don't want violence and in

talking to them they are angry at the media and outsiders and angry at the police but the question is what happened at tonight. at 10:00, what is the line of officers going to do and how will they clear this corner and many others? and while there is concern that the media being here may create more attention to the situation, how are going to get the people to move? especially with the confusion that this group here thinks they are helping the police get rid of people. but they, themselves, are going to be the subject of removal, so it is confusing. but here is the good news. there is no violence or screaming or line of hostility building up in the face of police. and yet all of the young people you see are telling everybody else to leave. to give you the setup, take a look back to the right. the vehicles are the heavy armed emergency vehicles and then the line of police are three-thick

and then the locals are a barrier between them and everybody else which they say is to protect people and they have been the vocal and aggressive ones saying you have to leave and get out of here and you are getting to get us hurt and telling the media to leave. and at 10:00 or whenever they decide to disburse the group, they are the target. and so again the hope is that everybody's mind is in the same place which is let this be peaceful. so let's see how it goes. >> chris stand by because i want to bring general honoray into this. general, what do you make of this? it is up to the discretion on the scene but you don't want to do something so exacerbate the situation? >> absolutely.

chris did a good job of describing the situation. and everything at night is harder anderson. if it takes this much energy at daytime, it takes twice as much as night. and there are a lot of people on the street that didn't hear the mayor or the governor speak today. they've been out on the street all day. so the ability to communicate is going to be hard, and it will take patience on the police part tonight as they move through and try to get people to move. the number one objective is peace and not confrontation but number two, there are people that you just said, that think they are doing the right thing by being a part of the solution but which leads to what are we going to do tomorrow and the day after? we have to stop playing checkers and start playing a little chess here. and we have to start addressing why the people are protesting? they are protesting over justice and yet the baltimore police department still don't have

cameras. this incident happened and they vested themselves -- and they investigated themselves. that is two things in every city keep coming up and we still don't have a decision in baltimore to say they will have kearns and have an outside source after someone loses their life. they need to create a narrative toward working out of this event as opposed to working just on law enforcement, they have to figure out what got us here and start talking to the people and addressing those issues, anderson. >> and chris cuomo, is it widely known among the people there where you are at that there is this curfew starting very soon and is that a message that the local volunteers have been trying to inform them of as well? >> reporter: absolutely. absolutely. and you know, look, the general's points are well made.

this isn't just about freddie gray, it is not just about what we heard in ferguson, hands up, don't shoot. they are arguing about underlining culture and socioeconomic and disen franchisement in community but they very well aware of the curfew. the only question about the curfew is whether or not it applies to the media and they are very well aware of it and they are telling people the curfew is coming and you need to leave but they are not leaving themselves. so we don't know what will happen when they decide to enforce the curfew. and there is a lot of emotion but not like last night. and that is a bit of a prayer at this point. but hopefully when the clock strikes 10:00 and the police do what they do and it might be more -- but you see the man with the hat on, that is a community organizer and he tells people

you need to disburse or will you be disbursed. >> we can hear him saying that. and i want to go to miguel marquez. and is that message being sent, it is time to go home? >> reporter: well, we're at the exact same place. and what we've heard here, it is a bizarre and intense situation right now. the neighborhood organizers are trying to push not only other people who are standing around but the media out and as they try to push the media out, more media are rushing in to see what is happening and it is a struggle between the organizers and the media. the mayor has recorded messages for this crowd that is being played out over the armored vehicles they have here and being treated with a collective shrug. people aren't booing it.

they have been beefing up the number of people here and the helicopter as you pan across this crowd, you can see that bizarre light of the helicopter that has been flying around this area all day, it becomes much more intense at night. they are clearly sending a signal they are beefing up the number of police officers in order to do this. police officers from montgomery county, from prince george's county are in different areas right near where we're standing right now, not in the line but ready to move down other streets to clear the crowd out of the civilians, of the press and of everybody and everything will have to move. in some ways -- look at this. turn around all the way this way. you have media set up along this way, this is probably going to get swept out too. i think everybody is very unsure what will happen in the next 20 minutes or so. but wait 20 minutes and we'll find out, anderson.

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nothing runs like a deere. got late words tonight of a police officer injured. it happened in the city's southern district during some kind of altercation with a crowd of people, unclear, though, whether it was curfew related. no word yet on how bad the officer was hurt. i want to go to our jason carroll. jason, tell everyone what you're seeing now. >> reporter: well, it's basically what we've been seeing for the past hour or so, anderson. you can still see the police line that is out here. there's still a number of people asking everyone who's still gathered at this location here, at pennsylvania and north, to go home. we've counted, anderson, possibly around 200 people, moving in and out of this tiny area right here. most of the people who were out

here earlier complied and took their children home, took their loved ones home. but there are still some people o out here. i married my colleague, miguel marquez talk about this a little earlier, this relationship between the community and the media. when you look at the number of people who are in this crowd, it's difficult to tell from this camera point of view, but a lot of these people here are also members of the media. and the community is saying that because we're here, some of those people in the community who might not be here, are staying here because of tour cameras. we're trying to work this out, because we want to be out here to responsibly report what's going on, but also be sensitive to those who are here in the community, trying to clear the area or trying to keep some of those people who are angry, you can hear some of them yelling right now, go home, go home, trying keep some sort of sense between those people are -- once again, you're going to hear -- >> please go home! >> please be home by 10:00!

don't give anybody -- >> we cannot make any major changes that need to be made tonight. go home tonight! that's all we're asking, is for you to go home tonight, please. you know it's not about people selling out. >> reporter: there a community leader saying it's not about people selling out, saying, for those who are still here, still standing out here in these corners, anderson, to please go home. anderson? >> and we'll continue to follow that. i'm here with sunny hostin, legal analyst, former resident of this area, also i should point out, a friend of the mayor's. it is a really conundrum for authorities trying to figure out how aggressive do you get to enforce this curfew. right now, it seems, certainly, that it's being left up to community leaders to volunteers

to try to encourage people to maybe go home for the night. >> and that's the thing. it's a balancing act. i think that if the police act too quickly and act too aggressively, that could exacerbate the situation. but you also want people to obey the curfew. and i think time will tell in terms of what we are seeing. we're still seeing a crowd of people out here, some of them young. it's almost 10:00, they're still here. >> and general honore, you're still with us. we're starting to see now, i understand, police moving forward a little bit. i mean, what role -- how would you try to -- how would you try to deal with this? they're trying to, i guess, now, reinforce their front lines. you know, if you were in command, what do you do? >> i think it's going to take great patience, because the police need to understand that this very balancing act here, that while we've had a peaceful protest tonight, the reason peaceful protests go to civil disobedience, is that people, to

make a point, to challenge the government. the government tonight want law and order. the people want justice. and there will be people who will stretch this curfew tonight and go to civil disobedience, they're breaking the law. they want to challenge the law, which taking them to civil disobedience, and if the police don't show a little bit of patience with them and they immediately at the strike of the hour start putting people in the vans, then it will fall right into what the protesters want, which is to be disobedient, break the law, and challenge the authority in that city. that's what civil disobedience is. you can go from a peaceful protest to one with violence, that include crimes happening, because the people are challenging that authority. so those police have got to do a little community policing there, and give the people, be a little patient tonight, at the strike of 10:00. again, that 10:00 hour is done to get the intent for the majority of the people to go in.

but that could easily turn into a very nasty operation after they start getting arrested and challenge the police on every minor infraction that they might do. so they've done a great job, but the objective of the protesters are going to be to do something that break the law or the potential to break the law, and challenge the authority, focus on law and order, and the people will focus on justice. and they want to show the police that the police work for them. >> and van jones, as you watch this, obviously, this is, you know, getting down to the final minutes now, right before the curfew, and we've seen the impact, without a doubt, the strong impact that community leaders and pastors, church groups, volunteers, have had all throughout the day and throughout tonight. the question is, what happens as those volunteers are passed their curfew?

are they working with police to continue to try to get people to move on. do they then go home? it's a tricky situation. >> anderson, we are now in the second major leadership challenge for the mayor and for law enforcement. except for the media, there are now three forces on the ground. there's law enforcement, what you would call the one baltimore movement. these community leaders who have been so heroic. and there are still those unruly elements, to control the day, law enforcement wanted, allowed, cooperated with the one baltimore movement flooding the streets, with peaceful protesters. now, you've got to actually reverse the polarity. you need the people out of their houses to get control, now you need them back in their houses to keep control. that is a very difficult thing for law enforcement and the mayor to pull off and to execute. and what you've got to do in that situation, if you're a mayor, is you've got to create a stairstep effect, where you do not unleash your police against

your allies, the one baltimore movement, and at the same time, you can let the one baltimore movement undermine your curfew. so over the course of a minute, an hour, they've got to increase the -- lower the tolerance for people being on the street. i am very, very concerned that, you know, we could blow this thing by move to go fast, as our previous speaker said, but you can also completely undermine the authority of the mayor, by moving too slow. if two hours from now, three hours from now, you still have one baltimore movement leaders out there, you still have other elements out there, other people are going to start coming back outdoors. and so this is a very, very tough situation for this mayor. very, very tough. >> and earlier we heard that it would be left up to the units of the police who are out there to kind of judge the situation. i guess that's one thing you have to do.

you can't have a one-size-fits-all approach. you have to go street by street, each different group of police and protesters? >> exactly. this is the real fine line we're talking about here, anderson. we've got peaceful protesters, we have police on one side, peaceful protesters on the other. i'm starting to get a little worried here, because i think there might be some people out there that actually just want to confront the police. not all of them, but some. all right, so the police have got to use discretion in everything they're doing tonight. when the 10:00 hour comes, i think probably what has happened is that these leaders in baltimore have already met with the police and have talked about what's going to happen at 10:00. so there might be a little bit more discretion there, before the police starts moving in and moving slowly into the crowd to try to get them to disperse. it's a real -- this is a real hard decision for the police department. and whatever decision they make right now, i'm behind them 100%.

>> i want to go -- if we can, go to one of our correspondents. i'm not sure who we have, who's ready to stand by. is jason carroll available to us? chris cuomo. chris, explain what you're seeing now. >> if you need us, you've got us. yeah. anderson, this is -- >> go ahead, chris. >> reporter: this is going to be the deciding moment here. not to over-dramatize it, but this is where the curfew is going to come into effect. you can see the cops right now, take a look to the right, you can see a big crowd is assembled here. a lot of it's media and the officers have made it very clear, whether the curfew is meant for the media or not, if you're on the street, you're going to be subject to their intentions. so we're going to try and stay out of their way. and again, this odd part of the dynamic is that locals are saying to the media, get out of the way, you're the ones they want out. and i think they're going to be very surprised by who the police

is targeting, as they start to move. so, it's all about the manner in which that this is imposed, obviously. nobody likes this situation. a curfew is not the normal order of things. the police have said that they're going to do this in a slow and deliberate way, but we'll have to see what happens. >> chris, thank you. i want to hand it over here to don lemon. >> stay with me. we have a lot going on here tonight in baltimore, maryland. our breaking news here in baltimore, a city-wide curfew. it is starting right now. the question is, will people go home? and if they don't, what happens then? this is "cnn tonight." as you can see, still a lot of people out on the street, as you can see from our correspondents that we have out in the crowd. the mayor calling for protesters to leave. and meanwhile, 2,000 national guardsmen, 1,000 police, trying ee