i think they're going to be very surprised by who the police is targeting, as they start to move. so it's all about the manner in which that this is imposed, obviously. nobody likes this situation. a curfew is not the normal order of things. the police have said that they're going to do this in a slow and deliberate way, but we'll have to see what happens. >> chris, thank you. i want to hand it over here to don lemon. >> stay with me. we have a lot going on here tonight in baltimore, maryland. our breaking news here in baltimore, a city-wide curfew. it is starting right now. the question is will people go home? and if they don't, what happens then? this is "cnn tonight." as you can see, still a lot of people out on the street as you can see from our correspondents that we have out in the crowd. the mayor calling for protesters to leave. and meanwhile, 2,000 national

guardsmen, 1,000 police trying to keep the lid on this city a city that is holding its breath right now. the people who live and work in baltimore, the people who are raising their families here none of them wants to see a repeat of last night's violence a repeat of this weekend's destruction. so anderson cooper is here with me. he's going to join us. cnn's krischris cuomo is out among the crowds and we'll check in with him in a little bit. but anderson 10:00 hour, the question you have been asking it's 10:00 now, what happens if people don't go home? that's the question facing officials right now. >> i think it's really going to depend a lot on obviously, the police response and confronting each of these group of protesters and also the volunteers. we have seen a real important role that volunteers and pastors have been playing tonight in standing between the police and standing between crowds. and i think how the police respond to those volunteers how they incorporate or use those

volunteers do they allow the volunteers to stay out in order to try to encourage the crowds to go? again, it's a very difficult situation. and i'm not sure how it's going to be handled. >> and we've seen people, as you said we have seen members of the clergy we have seen community leaders. we have seen even members of rival gangs getting together trying to help people corral people and say, listen we don't want this violence. i want to get to chris. chris is out right in the middle of it. chris, we heard from a police official that they from helicopters, they have been announcing to people that the curfew is in effect. they need to get into their homes. they've been announcing it on the street. you're at the scene right now. what are you seeing? >> reporter: elijah coupleummings is on our camera right now. the congressman is talking about the situation, asking people to go home. >> -- asking people just to leave and leave without any kind of problems with the police. >> congressman, what's your reaction when you look around here and you see this police presence you see debris on the ground and the protesters what's going on your mind?

>> i just feel pain. i live in this neighborhood. i've lived in this neighborhood for 33 years. and i've seen a lot of these young people grow up. a lot of them are in real pain. they feel as if they don't have the kind of education that they need to function properly in life. >> and your thoughts on freddie gray? >> freddie gray it's clear to me we -- the police have to be much more transparent. we've got a situation where we have a young man, from this neighborhood generally, who is supposedly arrested without force or incident who is now, he suffered a broken neck a crushed larynx and a splintered spine and -- spinal cord, and then he died. and it just goes against common sense for a lot of people.

that's hard. we did have a conversation -- the western delegation met over the phone with loretta lynch, our attorney general today about 5:30 and she assured us it's a top priority. but we've got to look at the police department very carefully from top to bottom and then we've got to listen to our children. because this is let me tell you, this is without a doubt, the civil rights force for this generation. this and voting rights. and america needs to wake up big-time. >> all right, folks, we've got to get out of here! >> you just heard the representative he's going to talk to the police and see how they're going to deal with the actual administration of the curfew and we'll stick near the congressman. frankly, he's out here alone, don. we'll make sure he's okay as everything starts to move through here. and the big concern will be about how the curfew is enforced on. we'll be keeping our camera up and you'll see it the same way

we do. before we let you go we've got 20 30 40 people out here and where you are, chris, how many people are you seeing out? it is curfew time. >> reporter: there are hundreds of people out here. probably a couple hundred media and several hundred more actual people spreading out throughout the intersection and down the side streets. there are just as many police officers maybe six, seven deep. jay, if you want to swing around real quick and just give a look. that goes back much deeper than it seems right now. there's several different stereotypetypes of supply vehicles that are there there. this goes back six, seven layers but once they start to enforce the curfew, the people that think they're helping are going to be one of the first ones that get swept up in their action. the question then will become what will they do with what could be well over a thousand people here in front of them and there are, we hear an

attendant forces up the side streets off this main intersection. so it's all going to be about how it's enforced. >> chris, we'll get back to you, standby. i want to get to cnn's jason carroll, also out in the crowd. jason, what are you seeing? >> well i can tell you, as we look here at the number of officers that have started to line up just within the past ten minutes or so we had one line of officers out here now they are three deep. so they have extended the ranks out here coming you know, in the minutes coming up to 10:00. but still, so far, things tense here at this intersection of pennsylvania and north, but unchanged in terms of the law enforcement stance in terms of how they're dealing with those who are out here. i know that you heard chris cuomo talk about this a little earlier. those who are engaging the community are the community members themselves.

they've been out here on loud speakers, in the hour or two leading up to the curfew encouraging people to leave, don. at one point, though the police helicopter above did make the announcement to clear the streets. that was heard by not the some 200 people who are still feeding into some of the side streets leading into this intersection here. so at this point, it's somewhat of a standoff in terms of those who are still out here not wanting to go home at least not yet, don? >> all right, jason. stand by. again, i want to tell our viewers, that it is seven minutes after 10:00, 10:00 p.m. eastern time here on the east coast, in the city of baltimore. a citywide curfew went into effect just some seven minutes ago. there are still hundreds if not thousands of people still out on the street. there appear to be at this moment defying that curfew. and as our jason carroll has been reporting, our chris cuomo

have been reporting, and as you see on the street there, police have drawn line in the middle of the street. they're urging the demonstrators to go home. the demonstrators appear to not wanting to -- not wanting to go home. so the question is what's going to happen now. is there enough manpower to get people off the streets. if the protests are still peaceful do they allow people to stay or do they arrest them? they've got plenty of manpower but is it enough? 2,000 national guardsmen added to police. a thousand police trying to keep a lid on all of this. as we said at the beginning of this show this city is now really holding its breath trying to -- and police are trying to keep a lid on this city. cnn's ryan young also out in the crowd. they are seeing folks defying this order. what are you seeing. >> so far, you can see elijah

cummings addressing the crowd, trying to tell people to go home. we've seen the crowd change over the last hour and a half. we've seen different people arrive here. we've been here since about 10:00 this morning, and haven't seen the number of people seen surging towards the front. they're going to see what's going to exactly happens when this goes on. people are waiting patiently to see if the cops are going to push or stand still in the middle of the street. everyone's just sort of waiting around to see what happens. >> so far, no violence right, ryan? everyone still pretty peaceful? >> no violence whatsoever. we're going to walk a little bit. you can see the surge of people coming up the street. everyone's waiting for this 10:00 hour. they've all been talking about marching forward to where the cops are. one lady just walked over and asked us, what are you guys waiting for?

when they start tear gassing people? other people say, we don't want that to happen. what we would like you to do is go home peacefully. all the music being played throughout the day, that is over. and what the crowd is now doing, standing here asking the media to step back. you can hear the crowd is angry. they do not want to go home. and there are several people who are here who want to see if they can challenge the police and move them off this street. >> ryan i want you to stand back. i'm going to keep the correspondents up and chris up and all of the guys up. jason carroll as well with and ryan. ryan what do you mean they don't want to go home? explain that to us. talk to me about that. >> well we've talked to a few people especially there's a lot of young people who weren't here earlier, who have now shown up who are ready to cover their faces, just in case there is tear gas, who are standing all around the edges, and they're yelling towards the officers. for the most part the officers have not responded to anyone who

is yelling at them. it has all remained peaceful. in fact people are screaming peace, peace, peace. but once again, the crowd has changed from what we have seen here earlier. >> guys stick with me. i want to keep your cameras up. we'll bring you into the conversation. i want to bring into the conversation now, the reverend jamal bryant a senior pastor of empowerment temple ame church. he delivered freddie gray's eulogy and held a town hall here tonight. also the reverend ron owens of holy redeemer institutional church of god and christ he joins me now. and as we are watching this, reverend, you met with the doj, did you have a meeting with the doj? >> we did have a meeting today with the doj. we thought they were candid honest and forthright. >> i'm sorry, say again? >> we did have a meeting, a select group of seven to nine leaders, variations across the city did meet with the doj and the director of the civil rights division. >> is there any concern, because

as we're watching this, we're speaking to our correspondents who are out there, and the people don't seem to be going home. is that a concern for you? >> i think it's beginning to be a concern. i think anytime you see lawlessness and direct intentions to disobey the officers, absolutely. and that's not what we've worked -- we led the most successful march ever yesterday, when with elijah cummings myself, 200 pastors across the city linked arm in arm, walked, engaged the police and helped them move two brigades up and put out fires. we didn't do what we did for what we're seeing tonight. >> and congressman elijah cummings is out there tonight, in the crowd, trying to get people to obey police and to go home. reverend bryant my question is for you. you know you were at the scene of the town hall that you held. there was a large crowd there just moments ago. did you hope that holding a town hall would provide an outlet for the anger that we saw last night?

>> i thought that the people of baltimore deserved a hearing, and as a consequence for an hour or a little more we just set up mics so that people could express their agony and their frustration. martin luther king jr. said it the best that riots are the language of the unheard. and people need to be heard about what it is that they feel because they did an outlet in order for them to maintain some health. >> what's your concern right now, as we are, you know, at 10:00, 10:13, and the streets are not clear? >> well i think it's a very small group compared from last night or any of the other nights in the last nine days that we've been marching. i think it's regrettable that they are intentionally leaving themselves open for vul vulnerability vulnerability. it's my earnest prayer that they'll begin to move and go home. we don't want any incidents. we're calling for peace and that's what this movement has been about for the last nine days is and we hope to continue in that same legacy.

>> we were out today, at up with of the parks in the area druid hill park, and there were crips, there were bloods there, there were members of the black guerilla army there. they didn't quite say that they signed a pact but they did say that they came to some sort of truce, and that's the first time that they have done that ever that they can remember. how big of a deal is that? >> it was a humongous deal. they made up in their mind they were going to move block by block, to move forward and lend some leadership. so i was extremely proud to see these young men step up and turn negative energy into positive leadership. and i think that's what's needed around the country because there's been a false premise about young plaque people who are, in fact actively engaged or upset. they are not thugs, they are not hoodlums they're not criminals, they are american citizens who have a right to express what it

is they feel even when it upsets people who can't handle the truth. >> chris cuomo, on the ground now at the site of one of the protests. chris, can you see any sign of people going home or are they holding firm? >> no they're not. everybody wants to see what's going to happen. one of the things that just changed, it was my understanding that the curfew was for locals, not annoyedthe media, but the helicopters across our head is saying the media must move also or you will be arrested. so that is a new dynamic here which obviously is going to make it very difficult for us to exercise the right of the publicity of this situation and find out what's going on and report on it. but what we're trying to do is give the officers as much space as possible. they have started throwing bottles randomly towards the cops. it has not changed their

disposition, but the helicopters above do seem to be setting the stage for action by the police. there's no question that -- see them taking steps? that's called the step and drag. they take a step and drag to stay in one line. they're banging on their shields to let you know they're coming. here come some objects, coming now toward them bottles, a couple of rocks. i got my hand on the -- i'm coming back so i'm not in front of the officers. people are moving back and downside streets. the officers are holding a line. >> back up! back up! >> you can see the locals are not happy. they're throwing things at police they're telling them not to. >> please please can y'all, can y'all go home! >> just water bottles at this point, but still, it's a provocation.

>> can y'all back up! >> the media, they're saying to clear back behind the barrier. the barrier would be the police. that was a glass bottle. jay, i'll pull you back this way as they come. >> chris, what are they saying -- are they saying anything police, on the bull horns or on speakers? >> reporter: they're -- well people are yelling, just their voices saying get back out of the way, you know what's going to happen and the helicopter above is saying move out of the way, this pertains to all media as well clear out of the area. so we're moving back and trying to give them distance while at the same time living up to the responsibilities to keep eyes on the situation. >> chris, we're looking at people who are laying in the middle of the street.

is that anywhere near you? >> reporter: i do not see that. i do not see people -- there are a lot of people here but i don't. you got ryan on the other side from me and jason behind him and miguel farther up the street. so maybe one of them is closer to it. we're trying to stay closer to the police so we can see exactly what they do. >> so reverend -- stand by chris. reverend owens, how can this be diffuse diffused? >> one of the things we asked the doj to provide us a system in place where they can monitor the conduct of the police as it relates to people's amendments' right to protest. i think this is what you're seeing a very small element, and i think this element is divided. there are those, as i see it who are attempting to move the crowd beyond the control of the police and say, it's over go

home. you have those who are laying down in the street in a sense of civil disobedience determined not to leave. and then i think that you have those out there who are determined to disrupt the peaceful march. so i think the dynamic is is that there are elements. i am shocked and surprised that the police would tell the press that they would have to go. that severely concerns me because that dictates that the actions of the cops won't be recorded. >> stand by. so media is allowed to be there. police have said that the media is allowed to be there, while the curfew is in effect. again, we're watching these pictures come in of police that appear to be moving in. they are moving in and some of the protesters are defying that by throwing bottles and they continue to be on the street. my colleagues ryan young, jason carroll, chris quo most out in the crowds now. i want to go to jason. i don't know if jason is anywhere near this. jason, if you can hear me what

are you seeing at your location? >> reporter: don, i can hear you. i'm standing right here at the front line here where you can see a number of the police officers that are still here still in their stance. we've seen a number of people small number throwing bottles, water bottles, glass bottles at police. what's been happening is, every few moments or so the number of police officers here in this one single formation start moving a few feet. they make an announcement clear the area then they start moving a few more feet. continuously asking those who are here to move back and to clear the area. what's been interesting, don, i know you saw this in some of the video earlier, not seeing it at this point, but there were members of the community standing out there between the small fraction of people who are out here and this front line even as incoming glass bottles and water bottles were being

thrown. still standing there, still telling those few who are left to leave. standing once again, between those stragglers who are out here and this line of officers who are still out here as well. i'm told from one law enforcement official that was out here is that they're going to continue doing this. they're going to continue moving step by step, until eventually they clear the area. don? >> all right, jason. stand by. we're watching these pictures along with you. my colleague, jason carroll there, on the front line, as he said, close to the front line. reverend bryant my question to you is, is that you urged people to go home last night. anyone who's going to hear the sound of your voice or listening to you that you have some influence over what do you say to them tonight? >> i pray that they'll stay home. i'm not sure whether this is getting ready to start a chain and a cycle of deliberate civil

disobedience. they are consciously staying there with the intention on being arrested. and i'm not sure whether that is the same intention there on tonight, but we have to see what's getting ready to happen the next ensuing days is that they are, in fact defying a system because they don't believe that they should in fact live under that kind of restriction, in the land of the free. that all of us myself included ought to be home at 10:00, and this is in fact their righteous indignation to the system. >> all right. in case you're just joining us at home it is 10:22 eastern time 10:22 in the city of baltimore, maryland. a citywide curfew went into effect some 22 minutes ago, and there are people who are defying that as you are watching live on your screens now, here on cnn. i want to get now to one of our correspondents who's out there with that crowd, cnn's ryan young. ryan what are you seeing? >> reporter: well right now, we are on the backside of the

crowd, and several people from the community who are yelling at these young folks to leave the street. they're hoping that they will go home from the curfew. and i tell you, we were standing over here and there were several young men throwing plastic bottles from our location, over toward the police. and it got really serious when we saw them start throwing glass bottles. and they were hurling nit inging it in that direction. and toxic the police have moved up and we can see where they are, but there are several people standing out and they are definitely yelling back at the community people saying they do not want to leave. a lot of people say this is the line they want to draw right here in the middle of the street, and they want the confront the police but the community members who have been here throughout the day are working as hard as they can to start that from happening. here we go with the tear gas. the tear gas has been fired. >> can we get back to ryan's shot please? >> the tear gas canisters have been fired. we have several people -- >> yep. >> here we go. we are in the middle of it. >> ryan let's just watch this.

let's just watch this. let's watch this, ryan. >> i think they're just smoke devices. >> don, if you can hear us we believe these are flash bangs, that these are basically just distractions. they were picked up and thrown back at the police and that is now forcing the line to move. so now they're coming up and they're moving the line up here. they're doing that step and drag. we'll see what happens when they come up on us. >> let's just watch it a little bit, chris, and hear police and the protesters. >> you got it.

>> all right, chris, it appears it's calmed a little bit. i'm -- can you attest to that for us? >> yeah right now, they're -- yeah they're holding that line. they've thrown those flash bangs down. jay and i -- jay and i are in front of where the police officers are right now. you can see the flash bangs -- they are not gas. this is not tear gas, this is not what we saw in ferguson. they're not shooting any of their pepper bullets yet. there's a little bit of an effortness but they were throwing them back at the officers that made the line come up. now people have retreated down the street. there's one small group in the front. they're shifting over now to see their area of concentration, which is where they're getting the bottles from.

yeah the pepper guns are what you're hearing going off now. you hear those pops that's them shooting these repellant pellets that shoot a powder out when they hit you that has the pepper spray, the cs powder in them. >> what are we seeing in comparison to numbers, between protesters and police officers? >> the police are probably about 500, maybe? all the way around and the people directly in front of them have laid out, but probably a close to a thousand people down the streets in two different directions. the police have not pursued in either direction. they haven't pursued in either direction right now. you can see down this way, people have run, and they've gone straight down the street. the officers reorganized in front of them and now they are tightening ranks to move directly down this street. and, you know, you have young men in this crowd of police -- >> okay chris. >> -- young women in this crowd of police white, brown.

>> chris, i want you to stand by. i want to hear from our other colleagues. don't go anywhere. >> jason, you said you were right by the front line and i want to tell our viewers that the media has permission to be there. jason, is it this intense where you are? ear you. >> what do you see? >> reporter: maybe you can see what's happening right now, as the line of officers there are about to move in once again. we saw some of those who were throwing some of the projectiles down in this direction. some of them took off down the street down pennsylvania. some of them still throwing projectiles, going to back off

from my photographer here. still trying to show you what's going on. some of them still throwing glass bottles, covering their faces, some of them as they were throwing some of these objects, and then taking off down the street. police using a great deal of restraint, as you can see, they kept their line out here in front of what's been going on down here on pennsylvania street. very disappointing to some of the community activists who are out here trying to desperately for so long to prevent this from happening. you can see a small bit of flame over there, still some smoke. it did its part in terms of dispersing the crowd, for the most part. still a few stragglers that still seem to be here. police at this point, using a great deal of restraint during some very tense moments here as some of these small number of rioters that are out here, still throwing some projectiles, still making their presence known. don? >> so is it working?

that's important that you pointed out, is it working? >> reporter: it is working. it's unfortunate, for those in the community who worked so hard to prevent even this from happening, as you know. working? yes. disappointing? even more so. >> chris como my same question to you, the measures that police are taking now, is it working? is it getting the ones who are defying this curfew is it moving them off the street or at least further back? >> reporter: yes, it is. but this is a very intricate area. you know you have streets that lead all over the place and you only have this one phalanx of police officers right here don. so what they're doing is directing their energy towards where the throwns were being thrown at them. but you have people down the street here went up the street this way and down the street in front of them as well.

so is it working? yes, you no longer have the concentration of people here. is everyone home at 10:00? no. there were targeted pepper targets being fired by that group of officers in the corner. you hear that pop, pop, pop. that's them shooting the pepper pellets at some people in the area over here where they had some objects thrown at them. that's the kind of volley going back and forth between those two groups. and there are definitely some harder core people down this street here who were throwing the glass bottles, which certainly changes the dynamic, when the glass comes at the officers they start reconsidering their situation and start to deploy the pepper pellets. >> i want to check in with all of our correspondents. we have brian young there. >> we are actually just walking back toward the -- all right.

so we're on the backside of the -- where everybody was running. you can see police -- >> go ahead, ryan. continue. >> reporter: oh, okay thank you. so we're on the backside of where everybody was running away from where police were shooting those pepper bullets. you can see police have a back area here where they're backing up to make sure if people try to run back down this direction, they can easily stop them or apprehend them. they've also brought in towing trucks and they are going to start towing cars from what we were told earlier. so at this point, you can see the crowd has definitely lessened at this point, especially after that gas was in the area. people have definitely -- hold on ma'am, we're on tv. >> well we're on tv now. >> definitely. >> why y'all out here at 10:00? we've got a 10:00 curfew -- >> we have somebody -- >> we'll get back to ryan young in just a little bit. we'll go back to my colleague, chris cuomo. chris, there are some people who are still on the street as we

can see. and it appears some of them are bent on causing trouble, unfortunately. it doesn't appear to be as many people on the street in your location the tactics that police are using, at least for the moment may be holding. tlooets at least for the moment. >> reporter: they're dispersing the people. are the people going home? no. they're moving back down where ryan was. there have been a lot of volleys between police. you can see the co2 cartridges charging up. that's what they use to power and fire the pepper pellets. they're using the smoke to get people to move farther down that street. you see them trying to take some shots at these younger people around the corner down here on the left. there are just pockets of situation. there is no real gunfire here. that's very important to note. as dramatic as the sounds and smoke can be there are no real bullets hitting anybody here now. you can see the smoke canisters that are being thrown back and forth, you have to keep it in

perspective, this is not an ideal night in baltimore, but it could be much worse in terms of violence. what do the police do next? this is not enough to disperse the crowd. they do seem to be leaving the media alone as long as we're staying out of their way. but it's really down these two areas that they would have to go farther into them to make a difference don. the question is, what are their intentions and what are their rules of engagement and we'll have to wait and see. >> chris, stand by. i'm going to get some law enforcement experts in here to judge the -- >> to gauge the response that we're seeing. i'm joined now by ed norris, a former baltimore police commissioner and cedric alexander is with the black law enforcement executives and also, rob winehole is a former chief spokesman for the baltimore police and a crisis public safety officer. so cedric ed norris is on the phone, cedric what do you make of the response from police? >> it's still very early.

i think what's going to be interesting to note here is that as it goes through the night, how is this going to evolve? we don't have big crowds that are out there, as we can obviously see. however, they are somewhat slow about dispersing. i think the best thing police can do right now is be patient and be very methodical in every move that they make and i think eventually this crowd will move on. you don't want to be overly aggressive right now and you don't wants to be passive. i think the rhythm the police department is in right now is a good one. >> ed you ran this department. what do you think of the response? >> i think it's good. i'm not a big believer in curfews. i tried to talk the mayor out of it because last time it worked was italy in the '30s. this is what you get when you draw a line in the sand and not prepared to lock everybody up you're going to end up getting embarrassed, and i think that's what you're seeing right now. but i think they're doing a good job so far.

>> rob, as you watch this you see people throwing objects and see things burning now. the response so far? >> well i'll tell you, it's been a very very positive day in baltimore. what you see, i think it's the older generation who has really tugged the younger generation on the sleeve anded said there's a different way thoonld business. and i would hate to see a very very positive day, a stark difference from where we were 24 hours ago, turn into anything but positive. but authorities have said there is a curfew there's a line in the sand and i believe time is on their side and again, appeal to the community to make sure they influence young people the right way. >> are you surprised that people are still out there, either of you? >> no i'm not surprised at all. and i think each night, you very well may possibly have more people out there as well too. but i think as it goes on people will stay home but this is the very first night, but i think as things continue, it will all calm down and we're just going to be hopeful and very -- and i think it's important that they be very methodical in their movements right now, the police department

itself. >> ed i know that you're the former police chief or commissioner and you don't want to second guess what this commissioner is doing, but it appears right now, as you said they're doing a pretty good job. if you were advising what would you say? hold steady continue to do exactly what you're doing. would you change anything? >> if i had a curfew and the mayor decided to do that i would have arrest teams on the side streets. i would walk up on them tactically and do exactly what you're doing. but the bottle throwing, you need to be in handcuffs. the first bottle thrown needs to be the last one. they may be doing it but you may not see it it may be off-camera. >> ed i got to ask you real quickly, are you able to see these pictures? >> i'm watching right now. so we see police say, move in maybe five feet and then stop,

then move five feet and they stop and do it maybe every ten minutes or so or as the crowds get closer. explain that to us. >> honestly they don't want to confront the crowd. the whole world is watching this situation. the police are trying to get people to disperse but not be too aggressive. and i think they're kind of backed into that corner with this curfew. because this whole -- the whole weekend has been about police confrontation. what do you think people are going to do? they're going to confront the police and be disobedient and disobey the curfew. that's exactly what's happening. and unless you're prepared to put people in handcuffed and lock them up and put them wherever you're going to deposit them until the curfew is over you're not going to win this. and i think this is not that well thought out, frankly. >> ed are you saying you would have advised against a curfew? >> i do not believe in curfews,

i've never believed in curfews. they don't usually work because -- we already had a curfew. people in the 1700s had to be in by 10:00 in the morning. i don't know what we've added, now they add more confrontation. i would have definitely advised the mayor against it. >> rob? >> you know i got to tell you, i think there's a lot of strategies to deal with this type of thing, but i'll say what i said last night, that is specifically the curfew part. do you think that was a good or bad idea? >> i think at this point, it was a good idea. the reason is not to disagree with ed but i think in this case where we've been over the past week, you at least have to lay the law down and make sure that officers engage and frankly hold those accountable who hurt others or loot or steal or destroy property. i think it's very important to do. i think the curfew is fine as long as it's enforced and it's enforced in a way that was set out by the leaders of this city. >> it depends -- >> they haven't enforced it yet.

>> go ahead -- say again. say again? >> he's right. you have to enforce it. it's 10:38. you're 38 minister into the curfew. is it being enforced or is it not being enforced? that's my problem with it. that's why i don't like these things. >> and i think ed brings up a point. if you say 10:00 p.m., you mean 10:00 p.m. this is the first night that certainly, everybody feeds to get used to this rule being in place, but the police department has to enforce, i think they will enforce, but i think they're taking their time at this point, trying to do it in the most peaceful way possible. again, with the world's eyes on them and how they're handing this. >> so cedric would you have done a curfew? do you think that's the right thing? >> here's the thing, don, there's no easy answer to that. if we go back to ferguson and the optics at ferguson are sblurlt horrible after they impose a curfew so what it appears to me that baltimore is trying to do -- >> oh, oh,. >> do a little something

different, not be as confrontational, but they know they've got to get the mission done. >> so at this point, what do you do? do you go in and start arresting people? >> i think they do just what they're doing right now, we have to have confidence in baltimore pd and its leadership right now. >> they just arrested someone. >> chris, i want to get back to you. chris, we saw the young man with the mask on and his hands up and almost hit by that armored vehicle. what did you -- did you see that? what's going on? >> he wasn't almost hit by that armored vehicle. they drove the vehicle up and when it got close muff to create a wedge, they ran out and grabbed him, pinned him against that and arrested him. they must have perceived, rightly or wrongly, that he was part of this group that was throwing things at him. when he tried to come up the street the first time they were shooting the pepper bullets at him and he ran back with this other group. he re-approached, he came across and told all the media, you need to disperse when this curfew is to the about us it's about whoever was creating

unrest last night, and then as he was walking back and forth, the humvee came and they used it as an opportunity and he's being taken into custody right now, apparently. >> and how many people are we seeing on the streets now, chris? you said about 500 law enforcement -- members of law enforcement, as opposed to how many in the crowd? >> reporter: now they've really dispersed. they're no longer as i'm looking now, you've got a good two-block cushion this way and two-block cushion that way, where there are just spare people running back and forth. you have heavier duty police vehicles coming up now. that's what they did. this was a pinch, don, right? you had this main force here but you had a supporting force coming behind it. that's what this guy was, coming from up the street. so that was to further motivate people to move back going down that way, and now he's taking off down this way. remember what i said this is an intricate area. there are lots of different roadways off this main hub of

this intersection. but only that one person is who we've seen taken into custody. we can't speak for what's been going on down the street in either direction. >> here's what they did with the young man in the crowd. that was a pretty slick move. and also what they're doing, as chris is describing it, a pinch. this is quite different than what we've seen. >> absolutely. this is exactly what i'm speaking to as well too. you've got to be methodical in a situation such as this. everyone's perception of it how they would deal with it would be different. but since you're asking me mine i would do exactly what we're seeing baltimore do tonight i think they're doing a good job and let's see how things continue to evolve throughout the night and throughout the week. >> do you agree? >> i do agree. i think they're isolating, containing arresting those who are going to continue to violate. let's see where it goes but i think so far, everyone's working in lockstep. again, make no apologies for enforcing the law, but do it in a way that also promotes peace over the long-term. >> so ed what's happening

right now? is this training that's kicking in? is this the briefing beforehand this evening? >> this is training. this is training -- >> a brass in the crowd saying do this next do this next? >> you're seeing training that goes on way before things like this happen. they're doing a great job under terrible circumstances with the whole world watching. i'm pretty proud to have led that department right now, because this is a really tense situation. they're doing a great job. i really do. i'm pretty proud of what's going on. they're showing tremendous restraint. >> yeah. and again, i want to tell our viewers, it's almost 45 -- it's 10:43. so 43 minutes into this and so far, we have you know we have to get the official reports, from what we've seen on camera here. there haven't arrested anyone except for that one person that we saw, you know, in chris' live shot there. >> i go back and say this look where we were 24 hours ago, you and i stood here 24 hours ago and we could smell smoke and hear sirens virtually all night. the fact of the matter is this is again, a lot of cadence, a

lot of training going to work right now, and hopefully, it is implemented in a way that, again, promotes peace, and is also founded in enforcement. and once folks understand that the curfew will be enforced. >> 43 minutes into the hour. 43 minutes into the hour. after this curfew has been put into place, and still there are people out on the streets, 43 minutes now into the hour. as we watch thousands of police officers thousands of members of the national guard on the scene here and what appears to be hundreds of protesters who are defying the curfew we're going to take a quick break. we'll keep an eye on the pictures. we're going to regroup and speak with our sourcing to see exactly what's happening on the street. we'll be back in a moment with cnn's live breaking coverage of the situation in baltimore right after this break.

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we're back now live with our breaking news coverage on the streets of baltimore, maryland, now. where a curfew has been in effect for just ten minutes shy of an hour. you can see a number of police officers on the street there, in tactical gear this evening. it's hard to judge the number of people who are still out there and defying this curfew. my colleagues chris cuomo, jason carroll, live on the streets for us now. a city that is under curfew this evening. first to jason carroll. jason, it's hard to get a number of really how many people are still out there.

what's going on? >> reporter: it is hard to judge. i can tell you that most of those who were here in this section have left. more officers here than anything continuing to fire projectiles at those who were still trying to defy their orders to leave. i just wanted to tell you one of the things they use here this is it, this is what they've been firing. this is called a rubber baton. can you imagine getting hit with this? it would hurt. this is what they were firing at some of those who were out here refusing to leave, refusing to honor the curfew. it was definitely tense out here for a few minutes. it seems more calm. i know it looks bad, as we're standing out here and things like this are happening, we do try to take shelter behind cars as people are moving through here. so but i do just want to give you more of a sense of what these officers are doing now. they're continuing to hold their formation, continuing to hold

their line to move step by step when they're given the order. there are still some people who are down these side streets, who are causing trouble. so eventually what they may have to do is they may have to break off and then go after some of those people, but for now, they are holding the line holding this intersection that you see right here don. >> jason, i want you to stand by. chris, heads up. i want to run this video of moments ago, about how they apprehended that protester that was in the crowd, right near you. he's walking right in front of police and then they moved in with the armored vehicle. let's put that up and then you and i can talk about it. okay, there it is. and then all of a sudden he's gone. you don't see him, because they have taken him into custody, behind that police line.

chris, as well-executed -- and chris, this is quite different than what we have seen in the other cities where we have covered protests especially ferguson. >> look once you get passed the idea of the curfew which is inherently something you don't want right? you want to have freedom, you want to have normal life but you don't have a normal situation right now, there is a curfew in effect and once you accept that the idea that you're going to come up to other people and say, you need to leave, doesn't work when you're the one who's supposed to be getting out of the streets. that's what that young man did. he was telling us the media to get out, when you're credentialed press, you don't have to leave, because we need people to watch this situation in the interest of the public. so as he walked back in front, they opened up the line an arresting unit came out, grabbed him, put him back in. another guy came out and was obviously challenging the authority of the police. he walked around and said i want to walk behind you, they said no you can't walk so he walked back in front of them very slowly and very closely,

and as he got to the middle of the line it opened up and he was gone as well. any way you want to measure it i heard some of your experts saying that they seem to be going very slowly, in this situation, time is your friend if you want to see no excessive force or violence. and they have been very restrained. they're very orderly, they're making sure their closed ranks. they are worried about having things thrown at them. jason was saying it's not pleasant to have a pepper bullet shot at you and i'm sure that's true. it's not pleasant to have roxcks and bottles thrown at you either. and as they're moving through, they're doing so slowly and surely. we haven't seen anything else to test that. >> chris is right, they've shown a great deal of restraint. and we also have to remember too, don, a lot of these officers are on 12-hour shifts they're out there, working a long time and some of them are probably fatigued and tired, but they're using a great deal of

restraint. and i really have to tip my hat off tonight to the baltimore police because that move you just saw, where they took that guy under arrest that was very well-coordinated and planned and the way that they executed it was done as well too. it's a good night tonight, and hopefully they will make sure that as tonight progresses anyone that's going to challenge them, such as what we see right now, are going to be arrested and taken into custody. >> ed i want to get back to the man who once ran this department. you know i guess we could say, it's not exactly on lockdown just shy of a lock down. on lock down in certain areas, we're under curfew but it's surprising to see a city this big, of a major american city to have this going on in this day and age, ed. >> i don't disagree. i think this has been an american disgrace. it's a source of embarrassment and you're right. you don't see citiesy sies of this

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i'm don lemmon. you're watching cnn's breaking news coverage of baltimore. police are enforcing a curfew. our colleagues are out on the street including chris como who has been watching this all unfold with me tonight. chris, what are you seeing where you are? how many people are we seeing

out there as opposed to police? >> reporter: none. the big intersection where everybody was is cleared now for a couple of blocks. there's a lot of media here but those who are supposed to be respecting the curfew are largely gone. they've moved downside streets and different attachments of the officers have move there had as well. the officers have been moving very methodically holding the line. they're now calling up some of their own reinforcements from other situations. a couple of people have been taken into custody, but so far, this has been thankfully very uneventful in terms of violence. >> yeah. and that is good news and good news at this point. i'm here with my law enforcement experts and we are watching this again, all unfold as we get close to the top of the hour here. we see police officers very few people out on the street according to our chris cuomo, none he says, out on the street. and many of them driven off these major intersections by police officers and you can see

them in their tactical gear that has they have been on several corners. the most affected areas of the city throughout the evening. and really throughout the day here. but, again, that curfew going into effect one hour ago. it is 11:00 p.m. here in baltimore. our breaking news this city is under curfew until 5:00 a.m. until 5:00 a.m. police appear to be getting the upper hand right now, as they enforce this curfew. 2,000 national guardsmen, more than 1,000 police officers is out on the streets of baltimore tonight, after a day of largely peaceful protests. everybody from the white house to the people of baltimore, calling for calm tonight. i want to go now straight to cnn's miguel marquez.