inert device they found. also talking about bottles. but he seemed very optimistic about the curfew being respected and how things were handled last night. thanks for joining us. our continuing coverage of the breaking news continues right now with anderson cooper. anderson. >> erin thanks very much. good evening, everyone. from baltimore. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com we just heard from anthony batts reporting his officers made 18 arrests today, reminding people the curfew is still very much in effect and that that curfew will be enforced at 10:00, saying he anticipates no major issues. those were his words. there are a lot of demonstrations on the streets. you're seeing one right there. a large crowd moving peacefully through the streets. i actually encountered that crowd in traffic just a short time ago, and i can tell you, they are actually directing traffic themselves. the protesters are out in front of that protest. i didn't actually see any police

at the front of the protest. and they were actually stopping cars directing traffic. it was a very orderly protest, thousands of people multiracial, peaceful marching through the streets, accompanied by major police and national guard presence. a major protest, as well in new york. this is what the crowds look like tonight in and around in union square where police have been making a number of arrests. in addition we have just talked to a person with intimate knowledge of the arrest of freddie gray. we're going to have that interview a little bit later on. this is the first time we have heard the account from one of the police officers about what that police officer believes may have happened to freddie gray or at least when whatever happened actually happened. we're also going to talk tonight to the mom you see right there. to that mom who dragged her son out of a protest in order to make sure that he did not throw rocks at police. we'll talk to her.

and we'll talk to the son about that as well. but i want to check in with our brian todd now, standing by. brian, explain where you are, what you're seeing. >> reporter: anderson we're at penn station in downtown baltimore. the starting point and the finishing point for a massive march through downtown baltimore. hundreds if not more than 1,000 people many of them high school and college age students marched through the streets for the last couple hours. this was a larger and more dynamic and actually more organized protest than those we have seen in recent days. it just ended here. it went from kind of a demonstration of civil disobedience to a celebration of civil disobedience. we just had music playing here people milling around just starting to break up now. what the organizers told us they really wanted to take the message back to the freddie gray case. they really wanted to put the focus back on the freddie gray case here in baltimore. the street message they want to stay on that particular case and not on the violation that has occurred.

not on the arrests, on the car burnings and on the lootings that have occurred. they want to put it squarely back on the message, calling attention to the freddie gray case. and that's what they believe they have done tonight. i just talked to one of the organizers of the march here. they said they are going to honor the curfew and one of them actually just warned some of these people you've got to get home you've got to get into a safe place, because we don't want anything to happen to you, we don't want the police to converge on you, anderson. >> brian i want to check in with you later on. i also want to check in now with alexandra field in new york city with a protest there. alexandra, where is the protest right now and what have you been seeing? >> reporter: well anldsderson where we are now is hemmed in outside union square. the nypd has come through with mesh fences to keep the crowd off the street. just a few minutes ago, we saw a number of people being arrested right in this intersection outside of union square park. it was a very swift response from the nypd to a somewhat

spontaneous decision from the protesters to march. they had gathered here for about an hour anderson in a very peaceful demonstration, holding signs, chanting speaking to one another. >> and then they decided to hit the streets. they got a half block outside the park heading west on 17th street and that's when they were intercepted by officers who forced them back to on the sidewalk. those who would not listen to police not clear out of the street and get on the sidewalk we saw them put in hand ties and taken away. this might be surprising to some people who have seen a number of protests in this city over the last couple months most remarkably back over the winter months when we saw hundreds if not thousands of people taking to the streets to protest after the death of eric garner. you may remember we did see some arrests at that time. but we didn't see them instantly. it seems the tactic the nypd was employing at that time was to allow people the space to get into the streets if they chose to to express the passions they had decided to express at the time. the tactics tonight, anderson different. and they came with warning.

the nypd knew about the protest that was going to be happening in union square. they got down here this afternoon, even before the demonstrators got here. they set up loud speakers warning people that if they obstructed the sidewalks or if they walked in the streets, they could be arrested for disorderly conduct. and as soon as this crowd of at least hundreds of people started to make their way across 17th street the police responded immediately, anderson and that's when we saw them taking some people into arrest. one person left here in an ambulance. no word on what kind of injuries there might be in that case. at this point, what we're seeing at this very moment though are nypd officers standing shoulder to shoulder out here downtown manhattan, the middle of 17th street trying to keep this crowd out of the street. the crowd is somewhat thinning. we heard some demonstrators say they'll march in other places they'll head south from here. and it seems the police are actually moving at this point. we don't know what's prompted it. we can't see down there. but we do see that a large crowd of nypd officers now making

their way west of 17th street. a lot of people still out here being held behind these mesh fences waiting for what's next anderson. >> and alexandra, we're showing our viewers on the left-hand side of the screen your shot your live shot. but also now on the right-hand side of your screen, a shot from earlier. and you really get a sense, alexandra, of the large numbers of people who did turn out for that demonstration. do you have -- i know you rarely do the police put out numbers. but is there any kind of authoritative number? >> reporter: there is not an authoritative number of how large this crowd was. and you're right, the nypd rarely gives out crowd numbers. we know on social media more than 5,000 people rsvped saying they were going to come to this. we were surprised to see within a few minutes of the scheduled start time 6:00 there were hundreds and hundreds of people able to go back later and take a

look at the aerials. i was in the middle of union square park and we were shoulder to shoulder with people a very thick crowd. they came out early, they wanted to be here. they said they were here to express solidarity with people in baltimore. they said they were here to demand justice for freddie gray. we asked them explicitly do you have plans to march across the city the way we saw them do so many times over the winter and they said they had not organized any official march but they weren't going to try to hem people in or stop them from doing what felt right. here again, i don't know if you can hear in the background anderson but again, the nypd over the loud speakers telling people they need to stay on the sidewalks, stay out of the streets, and warning them that arrests will continue to be made if people are obstructing the streets, according to the officers out here. we are still standing on this corner on 17th street behind this mesh fence, which is being held up by nypd officers. we did see officers come in here flooding in on 17th street when the crowds advanced

forward. they were wearing helmets. we haven't seen them dressed in anything beyond helmets. no tactical gear out here, anderson. >> alexandra field, i appreciate the reporting. we will continue to check in with you to see how those protests either dissipate or continue. a lot to talk about. we're also getting word now of protests in washington, d.c. we're just getting these pictures now. these are live pictures here washington, d.c. you see a crowd marching on the streets. and to reiterate what brian todd said what brian todd said earlier, i think a lot of the protests, when you talk to them today, a lot of them repeated they wanted to get the focus back on freddie gray and what happened to freddie gray. and what they want to see is justice for what happened to freddie gray. still, so many unanswered questions. there had been a big expectation among some people and i talked to one of the pastors who was in schools today, trying to tamp down young people's expectations for what's going to happen on friday. because a lot of the young people he was talking to were saying to him they were thinking

charges might be brought on friday or at least some kind of resolution or answer would be given from authorities about what happened to freddie gray. the message, the pastor was getting out, the message the gray family attorney was trying to get out to a crowd here last night when we were on the air is that we're -- the public is not going to learn friday probably not going to learn anymore details about what happened to freddie gray and to try to tamp down expectations. so there's not high expectations and a lot of disappointment. i want to bring in our legal analyst, sunny hostin, who has worked here friends with the baltimore mayor, as we often point out. also former nypd detective, harry houck and russell honoree who led the militant response after hurricane katrina. i've seen a lot of people on the streets today protesting and we're seeing larger numbers of people around here in this area. and i wonder if that has to do with the fact that because now there is this sense, these are peaceful protests people from

different parts of baltimore feel you know what it's okay to come down it's okay to take part in these protests. >> i think that is certainly part of it. i think another part of it is social media. i've been looking at social media. and the word is getting out. that -- i think people also want answers. i think people are focusing on friday and so i think that's also why we're seeing more of a ground swell in terms of protesters. so i think there is a real momentum moving towards friday because we know that that is the day when the investigators -- at least the police investigators, are going to hand this over to the prosecutors. i think we do anderson need to manage expectations not only for our viewers, but just for the public in general. because i don't think that they're going to get the answers they're seeking by friday. >> right. unless something leaks out. but again, there's not going to be charges brought as far as we know. no indictments, anything like this. this is preliminary investigation by the baltimore police department handed over to the attorney. >> i think that's right. and i think now -- right then

and there will be the prosecutor's game the prosecutor's decision and prosecutors get that information from the police department. but then they have to conduct their own evaluation their own investigation. and my understanding is they don't have the autopsy report. in a case like this that is so vital, so necessary for any decision to be made. >> harry, it's really interesting, just to be talking with protesters today, and we saw yesterday you and i talked about this on the broadcast last night. the extent to which these protesters are policing themselves. i was with a group just a short time ago marching down a street. there were individuals ahead of them stopping traffic. redirecting traffic. it wasn't police officers doing that. it was march organizers it was just people who had taken on that responsibility. and that's something i think we have really seen and i think has made a big difference over the last 24 36 hours. >> without a doubt, anderson. i'm really happy to see the community leaders are getting involved in this. and that the police officers don't have to take much action.

if we see this every day and if they keep remaining involved we shouldn't have that much violence. although we had a couple arrests last night after the curfew at 10:00, and we probably will also tonight after 10:00. but i think these people stay involved. stay on top of these people that are trying to stay at the 10:00. probably will have a really good night. and also the fact that -- i don't know what's going to happen friday because the word is out there that nothing is really going to come out on friday. so i'm really interested to see what's going to happen around friday 10:00 at night when the curfew goes into effect. >> general honoree, it's interesting, the protesters -- i don't have conclusive evidence but being out and seeing protest groups it seems people from a lot of different parts of the city much more multiracial. and i'm wondering where you think that change has come from. is it the stronger police presence is it the sense that a

corner has been turned to use the phrase that the governor used, and that the protests are peaceful and therefore people feel more emboldened to take part in them? >> yeah i think the observation is spot-on, anderson that the events that occurred on monday that were violent, they had bad optics for the nation they had bad optics for the state and for the city that people are trying to move on in the collective community in baltimore, which takes great pride in its city. now focusing on going from law and order to strive to move the politicians to talk more about justice. and i think because of the police presence, people can can have that confidence that the police will do a dual role. they'll control the protests but also protect the people. and i think that's a confidence builder. but anderson i think they're

swinging behind the ball in that we need to get that mayor and the governor as well as the federal government to start developing the narrative to find the exit strategy to get people off the street and get them back to work. this has been going on almost a week now, and it's time now to try and lay out a strategy and bring those community leaders that did such a great job yesterday at keeping peace, and what is the path forward to go from law and order focus to justice focus to address the concerns of the people anderson. >> that's a good point, general. thank you. we'll check in with all of you over the next two hours. we want to take a quick break. when we come back though my conversation tonight. my conversation with toya graham who became famous for this show of tough love when her son was about to throw a rock at police officers. she went up to him, found him at

the demonstration, and you see what she did right there. tonight she speaks out and i speak to her son michael as well. >> when you saw your mom -- >> right. >> when you first made eye contact, what went through your mind. >> i was just like -- oh man. >> like oh man! >> my mother. what is my mother doing down here? why would she be down here? >> he quickly found out why she was down there. she was down there to get him out of trouble. we'll talk to both of them ahead. i want to show as we go to break, a live shot in washington, d.c. we'll be right back. >> you should be as united as democrats as you are the tea party!

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demonstration tonight in washington, d.c. another one took place in new york still under way. and, of course big demonstrations here throughout the day and this evening. we will continue to monitor them throughout this hour and the next hour as well that we're live on the air from baltimore. now you're probably familiar with video of a mom on monday in the very worst of moments. she confronted her son and dragged him home from the violence. those pictures went viral, who he is who she is, the reality is far more complex and interesting. i spoke with her and him. but first, my interview with toya. when did you realize that what michael was up to? >> michael told me the night

before this wasn't supposed to go on. and he frequents mondaywmin mall. first thing that morning before he left i told him not to go to mondawmin mall because of what he was saying would go on. >> did he tell you he was going to go? >> he said he wasn't going to go. >> and but did you kind of have a sense maybe he would? >> when we started getting a phone call they had closed the schools down early, and they had closed mondawmin mall i knew i had to get to the mall. i just went right over there. >> so what happened when you got there? >> i had to find out if i could see my boy at that point. and i didn't see him. and then i started focusing on these bricks that were being thrown at the police officers and i turned around and he was coming across the street. >> michael. >> michael. >> but he wasn't -- he was wearing a mask. >> he was wearing a mask. he had the hood on. and he also had a brick in his hand. >> how did you know it was him? >> i -- i noticed the sweatpants that he had on and then he gave

me eye contact. >> you actually made eye contact. >> i made eye contact with him. and at that point, i told him to throw that brick down -- put the brick down. put it down. and i just lost it at that point. i was so angry with him that he had made a decision to do some harm to the police officers. >> it's not something you approve of obviously. >> not at all. >> so you saw michael with the rock in his hand. and you say you just lost it. >> i did. and, you know once he threw that rock down i was like you know you wasn't brought up like this. >> did you -- did you worry about embarrassing him? >> not at all. >> not at you will. >> not at all. he was actually embarrassing himself by wearing that mask and that hoodie and doing what he was doing. and at some point, i told him to take the mask off. because why are you hiding behind a mask? if you want to be bold enough to do this then show your face. >> if this is something you really believe in. >> yeah. why hide your face?

>> so did he go home then? >> oh yeah. oh yeah he went home with me. >> i had no doubt about that. >> yes, yes. he went home with me and his sister. >> i would have gone home with you in a second. >> yes. >> did you realize somebody had recorded? >> i hadn't. i know at one point i had turned around and i saw one of the camera crews going down. at that point, i didn't think that anybody had reported me. i wasn't there to be recorded. i was there to get my child. >> that's the kind of mom you are. >> yeah. yeah. and he knows -- he knows what he did was wrong. do i think he wouldn't be in another situation or is he the perfect child? no. he's not. but as long as i have breath in my body i will always try to do right by michael and show him that what's going on out in society doesn't have to be you. >> ms. graham has five

daughters. michael is her only son. the one you saw in the ski mask who now you're going to hear from him now for the very first time. >> why did you go down there? >> it was just like i felt as though my friends were down there. a couple of my friends had been beaten by the police killed by the police. so i felt as though i needed to go down there, show my respect. >> so when you -- when you saw your mom -- >> right. >> when you first made eye contact, what went through your mind? >> i was just like -- oh man. like -- >> you were like oh man! >> my mother. what is my mother doing down here? why would she be down here? >> did you know instantly she recognized you? >> when i saw her, i didn't like really see her. but when i heard, put that brick down! i was like oh that's my mother. >> so when you think when you heard that voice? >> i was like, oh yeah i know that's my mother. i know it's my mother. nobody else talks like that but

my mother. so -- >> and then what happened? >> it was just world war 3 from there. >> world war iii? >> yeah. it was just like -- what did you think? were you embarrassed? >> yeah i was embarrassed a little bit, until she just started talking to me when we got home. just telling me she did it because she cared about me. and it wasn't to embarrass me but because she cared. >> she was worried about you. >> right. she didn't want me getting in trouble by the law. and she didn't want me to be another freddie gray. or anybody else that got killed by the police. >> do you regret wanting to throw rocks, or do you think -- can you explain it? >> at first i was just like -- i don't care. like -- i don't care about the law. like police. but when my mother talked to me about it she was just like what did they do to you? did they of hurt you? i'm like no they didn't hurt me but some of my friends are not here because of what they

did. >> do you regret it? >> a little bit. >> a little bit. >> yeah a little bit, i regret it. whancht >> what do you regret? >> i regret me going down there and getting into this situation when i was supposed to be home. >> do you worry about mike he he will a lot? >> yes. i worry about him walking out my front door. i do. it's just the life that we live around here you don't know if you walk out the door if you're going to walk back in the door or not. >> do you think if riots broke out again, do you think you would go down there? >> no. i don't think i would go down there. >> are you saying that just because she is standing here? >> no. i'm not saying that -- i just see my mother care about me. why would i want to put myself back in a predictamentpredicament. but if i ever do go back down there, i'm going to do it in a positive way. >> she cares a lot about you. >> right. >> well thank you, michael.

appreciate it. wish you the best. thank you. >> you're welcome. thank you. >> should point out a couple things. ms. graham who has gotten a lot of attention in the last couple days she is unemployed right now. she lost her job. she has been working as a health care attendant home health care aide a job she loves. hopefully something good will come out of this. hopefully maybe somebody will see this in the baltimore area be able to offer her a job, because she could really use one. the other thing that i found interesting, one of her daughters is actually applying right now to be a baltimore city police officer. and i talked to that daughter. she is very passionate about wanting to be a police officer in the city of baltimore. and she is a fine young lady. and we wish her the best in getting that job. just ahead tonight, my interview with a person close to one of the police officers involved in the arrest of freddie gray. someone who has heard the officer's side of the story of what happened during the arrest and where mr. gray sustained his fatal injuries. as we go to break, a look at new york where people have been

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welcome back. live in baltimore. protests now going on in three major cities tonight. new york washington, d.c. also obviously here in baltimore. we have seen quite a number of people arrested in new york. these have been peaceful in all three places it's important to point out. 18 arrests throughout the day here in baltimore. a small number when you consider the huge numbers of people who have been out on the streets. tonight we're hearing the account of one of the officers involved in the arrest of freddie gray. we're not hearing the account directly from this officer. but rather from a person who has a close relationship with the officer. this person who asked us not to use their name or show their face came to us and wanted to share what the officer has told them about what happened. this person says the officer did not request they approach us but they did so because this person beliefs it's the right thing to do. we do know the identity of this person who you're about to see, and we know their relationship to the officer. but we agreed not to disclose that. we talked a short time ago.

>> you were very close to one of the officers who was involved in the arrest of freddie gray. what has that officer told you about what that officer believes happened to freddie gray? does that officer believe that freddie gray was injured inside the paddy wagon, or before? >> he believes that freddie gray was injured outside the paddy wagon, before. >> while freddie gray was being arrested. >> yes. >> and did this officer see any indication that freddie gray had been injured? >> no. he did not. >> there are a lot of questions about what happened to freddie gray once he was in the paddy wagon. the attorney for the police for a number of officers has come forward and says he believes whatever occurred occurred inside that paddy wagon. there's a lot of questions about

whether there was a so-called rough ride. does the officer that you are close to believe that there was any kind of a rough ride for freddie gray intentionally driving erratically to cause some injury? >> no. no he doesn't. he believes that the injuries were sustained outside the paddy wagon, that if they go back and look at the gps and everything that occurred as they were driving, they can see how fast the driver was going. they can see where the driver was and what route the driver took. >> it is known that the vehicle did pull over and that once it left the scene and freddie gray was later shackled. do you know -- does this officer have any idea why that was done? >> freddie gray was shackled because he was irate. he was irate, he was angry. he was moving around in the wagon. so they were asked -- the

arresting officers were asked to leg shackle him. and that's when the wagon pulled over. >> does this officer know why freddie gray was not seat belted into the paddy wagon? >> yes. he was not seat belted because once they put the leg shackles on because he was irate when they put the leg shackles on in the first place, they didn't want to reach over him. you are in a tight space in a paddy wagon. he's irate. he still has his teeth and he still has his saliva. so in order to seatbelt somebody you have to get in their personal space. they're not going to get in his personal space if he's already irate. most people in the paddy wagon are seat belted. they are just now starting to seatbelt as a result of this case. and you -- everyone can go back to to the other cases for paddy wagons and for people being seat belted in and they can see that a lot of people aren't seat belted in the paddy wagon at

all. >> even if it's a rule it's just not a rule that's necessarily followed. >> no. >> the officer who you are in contact with, you're saying he believes that whatever injuries were sustained by mr. gray were sustained during the course of the arrest but he doesn't have any direct knowledge or does he have direct knowledge how those injuries were sustained? >> no. he just believes that you know several of the officers never touched him. you know. so the arresting officers are the ones that chased him. for that mile. and they're the ones that arrested him. the other officers didn't touch him. >> the officer you're in touch with does he feel that the city -- that the mayor has responded appropriately? >> no. he feels that the city has let all the officers down. that they have left them out there, and that the mayor and the commissioner -- not just the

mayor, the commissioner who is on top of them should have stood by them. and they should have gotten due process by law. and that's not what happened here. >> i want to point out again, this is somebody who has a close relationship with one of the officers who was involved in the arrest. we actually have more of this interview, we're trying to get it together because we have altered the voice. we obviously were going to bring that to you as soon as we are able to. joining us now, sunny hostin former resident of baltimore, also friends with baltimore's mayor and cnn legal analyst and federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin. sunny, what's interesting, what this officer is claiming or at least what this friend of this officer is claiming the officer has said the injuries occurred before the freddie gray was put in the paddy wagon. >> i think that is very significant. because we do have video, and we have all seen it now, of freddie gray screaming and what appeared to be agony as he was dragged

sort of like a rag doll to the police van. now, a lot of people are saying he was standing on the police van, on top of the police van when he was entering which means that he must have been okay and -- >> standing on a bumper. >> so he must have been okay because the injuries must have been sustained inside. i didn't see that. i saw someone standing on one foot while assisting by other officers still in agony, still in pain. so what we're hearing now from this person in my mind anderson really supports what my eyes saw all along, from that video that has gone viral, really. >> jeff toobin, what do you make of what you heard? again, this person saying this officer is claiming who -- the officers who put mr. gray into the vehicle did not seatbet him in because they didn't essentially want to get close enough to him, because he was in -- i don't know what words they would use to categorize him. but they didn't want to get too close to him. >> you know i think this just underlines the difficulty and

complexity of this investigation. let's just assume and i don't think it's a crazy assumption that this officer and the other officers in the -- who were in the vehicle say, you know look he walked in -- i mean he was in bad shape when he came in. the arresting officer said look he was standing up. he was basically okay when we put him in there. what do prosecutors do in a circumstance like that. you're going to be in a situation here it seems entirely possible where you have conflicting accounts of what happened. and you're going oh to have medical evidence that may or may not point to one group of officers or the other. i mean obviously, the medical examiner's report which is not yet completed, is going to be extremely important. but medical examiners reports don't say who did what. and so i just think, you know we are in for a complex and lengthy investigation that may wind up being inconclusive.

>> my understanding is that there's only one police officer who was in the paddy wagon, the driver of the paddy wagon. there is another prisoner or somebody else who was arrested for a time inside that paddy wagon, as well. my understanding is that person has given a statement to police. we don't know what's in that statement. but you would think that person would also have some indication of what sort of condition freddie freddie gray was in. >> not only that whether or not that person felt he was participating in a rough ride. and so i think that person's account is going to be -- >> freddie gray was injured in a rough ride while another prisoner was in the vehicle, why wasn't that prisoner -- >> injured as well. i've got to disagree with my friend jeff toobin on that. i understand we don't have the medical examiner's report yet. i don't understand why we don't have the medical examiner's report. toxicology reports sometimes take a long time. but the fact this happened almost three weeks ago and the suggestion somehow that -- and the body was released to the family. the suggestion somehow the medical examiner's report is

incomplete is very strange to me. and i don't think that it is a complex situation. yes, you're going to have officers obviously giving you know know different accounts. but the medical examiner's report should be the focus of this inquiry. >> it's also interesting, just briefly, jeff. clearly, this person says that this officer, who was one of the six who took part in -- you know one of the six, is clearly putting the focus on the arresting officers who had the interaction with mr. gray out on the street as opposed to anything that happened in the vehicle. again, this officer does not specify seeing any injuries in freddie gray or any knowledge of what happened to him during that arrest. but that clearly seems to be where this officer is putting the focus. >> no question. and just about the medical examiner's report. apparently the custom in maryland is 30 to 45 days for an autopsy report. that may be too slow. it sounds too slow to me. but that's how they do things

there. i hope they accelerate it. but there are a lot of people whose testimony you're going to need to get. and if you want to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt, if you have conflicting testimony, it's going to be very difficult. >> yeah. jeff toobin thank you. sunny hostin as well. just ahead, what happened to this man? joseph kent after his arrest on live television last night. it's a question spreading across social media. details, ahead. thanks for coming. we want a spirited performance. who offers the most horsepower?

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he walked in front of police after the 10:00 p.m. curfew started. social media has been buzzing, a lot of people asking where mr. kent is and what happened to him after his arrest because he seemed to kind of disappear, blocked by a vehicle he was then taken away. chris cuomo, you were there last night. you were on the air when mr. kent was arrested last night. can you just walk us through what happened? >> reporter: absolutely anderson. so this is basically catty corner to where we were last night. the police were right here. this was clogged with people who didn't want to go home. and a lot of media. and what happened was, down from this street the young man we're talking about came up with his hands up. the police believe that he was part apparently of a group that had been agitating and throwing things at them. so they actually fired pepper balls at him. he raised his hands, retreated and came back again with his hands up and they allowed him to pass along here in front of their faye lynx over to where

we were the media, on that corner. there was only media there at this point. the young man walked back and forth in front of us saying can i have your attention, do you all hear me. and people were kind of paying attention, kind of not paying attention. because there was a lot of other activity. and he then said "you all need to leave. you all need to leave." and then he backed up and walked very close over and started to move back across the street. a humvee was coming up the street at that time. as it passed him, did not hit him, as it passed him and stopped, the line opened and an arrest squad came out, grabbed him, put him on the ground and then we watched him -- jay, the photo journalist and i watched him be put in a holding van and that's where they stayed until they drove away. >> and do we know where he is now? what he may be held for? has he been charged? >> reporter: reportedly and

according to those reports, information coming from an attorney that went to check on him, he's in central booking. i believe there has been no arraignment yet, no appearance yet. but he is being held and the allegation is that he's being held on violation of curfew which by definition is what he was doing. >> all right. chris, i appreciate the update. great coverage from you last night. it was incredible to watch. we'll continue to check in with you throughout the night. just ahead, the president said it the mayor said it as well. but is it okay to call the rioters -- those people who cause violation thugs? i talked to ms. graham about it today. and she said my child michael is not a thug. we'll get into that next. (mom) when our little girl was born we got a subaru. it's where she said her first word.

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. among the many debates sparked in baltimore over the past few days, one over the use of a word used to describe some of those causing violation. carl stokes said on cnn, it's wrong to use the word thug to describe children set aside and marginalized but that's the word some officials including the mayor of baltimore and even the president of the united states have used. >> my understanding is you've got some of the same organizers now going back into these communities to try to clean up in the aftermath of a handful of criminals and thugs who tore up the place. >> what we see tonight that is going on in our city is very

disturbing. it is very clear, there is a difference between what we saw over the past week with the peaceful protests those who wish to seek justice, those who wish to be heard and want answers. and the difference between those protests and the thugs who only want to incite violence and destroy our city. >> mayor stephanie rawlings-blake has since gone on twitter to say those causing violence were misguided young people who also need support and wrote when you speak out of federation frustration, anger, one can say things you don't mean regrets using the word. cnn legal analyst, sunny hostin who used to live in baltimore and is friends with the mayor. also city councilman brandon scott and jamal brian. councilman do you believe that's a word that should not be used? >> i think we have to look at

the situation, and we know that's a word that the president uses all of the time. it's not a new thing for me. and i think what we're doing is oversensationalizing something when we really should be worried about these young people and their well-being and what we'll do to help them move forward. to me what's more important, we know they're hurting and they have been hurting. how we can help them repair their lives, and let's stop focusing on that and how we're going to move them forward. >> you spent a lot of today in schools, talking to young people. i'm curious to know what you heard from them and what your message to them was. >> my message to them when this incident started, i'm in schools almost every day anyway. i wanted to talk specifically about this incident. my message today was to remember these are your neighborhoods, this is your city this is your town these are your family and friends. you have to protect your own and also respect yourself and your neighborhood and your city around you. but young people were saying they're mad, they're upset about what happened. not just to freddie gray. something that we -- has gone

missed in this, talking about riots. in the midst of that we have had 12 people in baltimore shot and murdered and they're upset about that as well. they want people to be upset like i am every time someone in our city loses their life. and they think this is -- freddie gray this is overshadow overshadowing people dying every day. they're saying look they don't like what's going on. they think it's stupid will hurt them more than anyone else and they're right. >> and pastor one of the things you were trying to do in the school today is tamp down expectations for what may happen on friday. can you explain that? >> friday somehow or another, there's been the misnomer that's gone around that a verdict is going to be rendered. in anticipation of that people are already preprepared to be upset. not knowing that nothing is going to happen. so really just trying to quell that raging emotion, and to give information to say this is not the process. i think one of the dangerous things that our police commissioner did was even in releasing a day. he should not have done it because he gave a false

expectation. so here we are on the eve of christmas eve, almost on the brink of doom's day, not sure which one is going to come. >> and sunny, it's important to point out, friday it's a preliminary report by the police department going over to the attorney's office. but again, unless it leaks out, there is no charges being brought as far as we know. it's early days here. this is a long process. >> that is true. it is a long process. and what generally happens, anderson is when you get, as a prosecutor when you receive the package -- we usually call it a package. when you receive the package from the police department you have to make your own evaluation about the evidence. oftentimes prosecutors want to speak to additional people oftentimes they want to speak to them again. oftentimes they want expert to review the evidence. so to claim that friday is the day is definitely a mistake. i just also want to mention, and while i understand your point, councilman about using the word "thug," i think that words have real meaning. and i think words have real

power. and thug that term has been used over and over again recently to describe african-american young men. and so i think that because it has been racialized not -- it's not a racist term but because it has been racialized i think leadership has to be careful with the use of that term. >> pastor thank you very much. councilman i appreciate you being on. sunny, as well. there is a lot happening in this hour. also we're on all through the next hour as well. our live coverage continues with baltimore's citywide curfew now an hour away. there was a huge turnout. protesters turning out in cities -- in other cities tonight, as well. live pictures there of washington, d.c. we'll take a short break. we'll be right back. dear stranger, when i booked this trip, my friends said i was crazy. why would i stay in someone else's house? but this morning a city i've never been to felt like one i already knew.

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