good evening. thanks for joining us. 9:00 p.m. here in the city of baltimore. one hour away from the curfew after a day and evening that has seen thousands of people out in the streets here as well as in new york and washington. we're going to bring the latest on all of it, as well as part two of my conversation with toya graham, a national sensation when her video went viral, her doctoringi dragging her son michael from the rioting. we begin in washington, suzanne malveaux joining us by phone. they're in front of the white house? what's the scene, suzanne? >> yeah, anlderson, hundreds of

people have gathered outside of the white house. it started at 7:00, nine blocks away. but made several stops in some key locations to make a point. i'll tell you, this is very different from what we have seen from other protests, because it's entirely orchestrated in cooperation with the authorities and police. it's almost as if you saw presidential motorcade, the way you've got the police cruisers at each one of these stops, blocking off the traffic in anticipation of where the protesters would go. there were several moments where the leader of the protest would say, keep your bags up, it's important to keep your bags up. really trying to cooperate with local authorities here. just as a number of different organizations, the one that's leading it is called dc ferguson. i had a chance to talk to the head of the group, eugene, and asked him, why are you here, why

is this important. and he said two things here. obviously, they want to show a solidarity with baltimore. and with agreed fredy gray. he also says he wants to make sure people know this is a bigger national issue, and they want to talk about, and they have been talking about, on the bull horn, legislation. he says that in terms of the president and what the president has said about this, he said he wants them to basically put his money where his mouth is. that is his words. about what they're going to do. and so he says there's legislation out there, will he criminalizing police, and stopping racial pro filing that he wants this group to seriously act upon and the president to act upon. so the crowd out here has been spirited, organized, peaceful. we have heard public enemies fight the power from the bull horn as they have been snaking through the city. we have also seen a sign language interpreter, anderson, who has been on the back of this pickup truck, who has been

signing everything in a suit, pin striped suit. so it has been very organized. it's mostly young folks in their 20s and very, very diverse. you have a lot of white, black, asian, people on bicycles, students, young professionals, who are out here. and it really has been somewhat of a festive atmosphere and mood. no sense of tension whatsoever. but, you know, people who come up to you and say this means something to them. it's important to them. and so you've got groups like the black lives matter. you have the nation of islam, a group calling themselves the blacks united front. all of these folks have gathered here to get outside the white house. >> suzanne, appreciate that. you're seeing there the demonstrations, outside the white house. on the left-hand side of your screen now, full screen, you're

seeing the west side highway in new york. marchers have been out in force. there was a gathering that started in union square, if you're familiar in downtown new york, around 14th street or so. they have now apparently gone -- the larger numbers have dissipated. i'm told -- i'm sorry, now told they're walking up broadway. my monitor isn't -- i can't really see it all that well. they were on west side highway. they're now apparently on broadway, these pictures coming from wabc. it's -- there have been some arrests. earlier we are told, trying to get our correspondent in there on broadway right now. we'll bring that to you as soon as we have it. brian todd here in baltimore has been out with marchers all evening. he joins us now. a very different scene right now than the one last night. what are you seeing, brian? >> very different scene from last night, anderson. but it was very dynamic, just a short time ago. this is penn station in baltimore. this was both the starting and

ending point for the most dynamic march we have seen since we have been covering this in more than a week. we have a small police presence, a dozen officers remaining here. these guys are about to leave. this is where it started at this plaza, right in front of penn station, where there had to have been several hundred, very easily more than 1,000 marchers, earlier today. they marched through the street of baltimore to city hall. they were made up mostly of college students, students from johns hopkins, morgan state university, tawson university, several college students. and what they were determined to do was take back the message. many told us they felt like the protesters, the rioters, people doing looting and burning of cars monday night had stolen the message. they really wanted to put the message back on the freddie gray case, so an organized march through the streets of baltimore. i know it came to where you were in city hall, saw that unfolding. and what was interesting a short is time ago. now it's 9:00 eastern time, the

curfew coming in less than an hour. just a short time ago, these people all dispersed, because the accordingers of the march got on the bull horns and said we want you guys out of here. they were forceful in telling them that. they wanted them to leave the plaza. said we don't want the police converging on you. please go home. and really, this crowd, like many others, aside from monday night, was respectful of that message, and they left, anderson. >> brian todd, i appreciate that. thank you. we'll continue to check in with you. with me now is robert valentine, the vietnam vet who spoke out so forcefully against the violence on monday. he's been spreading his message ever since. mr. valentine, it's great to have you on the program again. >> my pleasure. >> when we first met you, joe johns interview monday night, you were standing with your back toward police trying to tell young people to stop taunting the police, stop throwing bottles at police. and i know last night you were back out on the streets. how did it feel to see so many other people joining you

yesterday, doing essentially the same thing, linking arms, standing between protesters and the police, and really policing the community policing itself? >> it touched me deeply. because they came together as one to be peaceful and help. not to incite or instigate. the only problem we had, north in pennsylvania, when they got the curfew. but we got through that. >> you got through that. >> yeah. >> and have you noticed a big change today? because it's something a lot of us have sort of been seeing. it seems like now that there is a sense the protests are peaceful once again as they were before monday, more people actually coming out and kind of taking part. >> that's the good thing, because the more people that are not violent that come out and participate drowned out the violence. and those that try to start the violence will be shut down by people like me. i don't want to see none of my babies -- that means little ones and the people in the school --

ever get hurt. i don't want to see none of my police men ever get hurt. >> and it's one of the things i think we're hearing from protesters today, and something you said on monday night, in the heat of things, that you want the message to be on freddie gray, and not all this other stuff. that it's, in fact, taken away from that message. >> true, true. they have to give respect. it's supposed to be peaceful. yeah, there's rumors he had some things going on. but he was -- he died, and it was bad, it was violent. now it's time for us to recognize and show how we can respect his family's wishes and pacify this. stop it. throw it down, get it out of the way. we've got to save this city so they can carry on from here. >> what happens in the community where the cvs is now destroyed and a bunch of mom and pop businesses are destroyed? do you think businesses are going to come back? >> yes. >> you do. >> we aren't going to give it up. we're going to rebuild, put it back, and if they come back and try it again, they'll find a

different person there that isn't going to take the mess. this is our neighborhood, our country, our town. we have to protect it. >> and i really got that sense yesterday, again -- i keep coming back yesterday by the cvs -- we interviewed a woman on the line, linking arms with the men, and brought her 14-year-old daughter, because she want her daughter to be part of that community response. >> yes. and then they had a parade up there last night before all the stuff started. you had the kids, a drum corps and all, and they came and had oldest to the smallest. they looked so beautiful. they let them see there is light, you know, in that neighborhood. >> that's the city you love. >> yes. >> and they came out and they represented. so it made me cry. >> well, you represent your city well. it's an honor. thank you, mr. valentine. really an honor gnome just ahead, my conversation with the mom who dragged her son home from the violence on monday, toya graham. we showed part of the interview

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live pictures of manhattan tonight. marchers out in force on the streets in new york, gathering initially in union square and then fanning out. major demonstrations going on tonight there in washington, minneapolis, we're told, as well. demonstrations of unity with the marchers who have been out on the streets here this afternoon, as well as into the evening. we're going to continue to monitor them throughout this hour as the curfew here in baltimore approaches. right now you're probably familiar with the video of the mom on monday and in the very worst of the violence confronting her teenage son, dragging him home. pictures of toya graham and son michael quickly went viral. judgments about who he is and who she is. the reality is more complex and interesting. i spoke with her and michael earlier today. first, toya and more of our conversation. >> for people who don't live in baltimore, haven't been here, haven't been in this community, how tough is it? you're a single mom, raising six kids, grandkids.

>> it's real tough. i just lost a job. and i had two jobs when i moved into my home. and i have no job now. and so real tough. he knows it's hard for me to keep a roof over his head. he knows it's hard for me to keep food in his mouth. so people who -- that are looking in from another point of view can't see the struggle that we go through. we go through a big struggle here, not having the education and the tools that a lot of other people have to get by. so we try to do as best as we can with family and friends standing beside us. >> why do you think this has resonated with so many people? i mean, there's -- this thing has gone viral. oprah winfrey gave you a call. there were headlines in the paper saying "send in the moms." why do you think this has made such a big impact? >> because as mothers, you don't see us. you don't see us. you see our kids walking to the

bus stop, and maybe speaking with somebody that's on the corner and they have already been singled out as thugs, as we have already heard they are. and at no time is my son a thug. >> when you heard the mayor and the president of the united states -- >> yeah -- >> use the words "thugs." >> i just do not believe calling our kids names is getting us anywhere. they're already being name-called. they already have a problem with police officers, not as black, not as white, but as blue. so -- >> doesn't matter if the police officer is white or black. >> it doesn't. >> it's so interesting, because i grew up in a predominantly white community. and always thought the police were there to protect me. >> right. >> you talk to people on this block, that's a laughable idea. >> it is. it is. and my daughter is trying to become a police officer. and i applaud her. because i know how i raised her, and i know that she would make a difference in society.

and this new thing that the commissioner is trying to do. he's trying to bring better people into the baltimore city department. so -- >> you think change is possible. >> it is possible. it is possible. it's always possible. >> thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> two things come out of the attention that ms. graham has understandably and rightly been getting. one, her daughter would make an excellent police officer. i spent some time with her daughter this afternoon. i hope someone in the baltimore police department is watching and, you know -- and hope that application makes it. and also that ms. graham frankly needs a job. she lost her job as you heard. she had two jobs. she has a lovely kept home we were honored to be invited inside today, spent some time there. she's looking for work. she needs to be able to pay her rent. so for all the attention she's getting, that's the bottom line. and we certainly hope this

attention leads to that. she worked as a home health care aide and she loves caring for people. so hopefully somebody can reach out. michael, her son, her teenage son in the video in the ski mask, i spoke with him as well a little bit later today. >> why did you go down there? >> it was just like i felt as though my friends were down there. a couple of my friends have been beaten any by the police, killed by the police so i felt i needed to go down there and show my respect. >> so when you saw your mom -- >> right. >> when you first made eye contact, what went through your mind? >> i was just like, oh, man. like -- >> you were like, oh, man! >> yeah, like my mother. what is my mother doing down here? why would she be down here? >> did you know instantly she recognized you? >> when i saw her, i didn't, like, really see her. but when i heard "put that brick down!" i was like, oh, that's my

mother. >> so what did you think when you hear that voice? >> i was like, oh, yeah, i know that's my mother. i know that's my mother. nobody else talks like that but my mother. so -- >> and then what happened? >> it was just world war iii from right there. >> it was world war iii? >> yeah. it was just like -- >> what did you think? were you embarrassed? >> yeah, he wi was embarrassed little bit until she started talking to me when we got home, and told me she did it because she cared about me. and it wasn't to embarrass me, but because she cared. >> she was worried about you. >> right. she didn't want me getting in trouble by the law. and she didn't want me to be another freddie gray. or anybody else that got killed by the police. >> do you regret wanting to throw rocks? or can you explain it? >> at first i was just like, i don't care. like -- i don't care about the law. like, police. but when my mother talked to me about it, she was like, what did

they do to you? did they ever hurt you? i'm like no, they didn't hurt me, but some of my friends are not here because of what they did. >> do you regret it? >> a little bit. >> a little bit. >> yeah, a little bit, i regret it. >> what do you regret? >> i regret for me going down there and getting into this situation when i was supposed to be home. >> do you worry about michael a lot? >> yes. >> what do you worry about? >> i worry about him walking out of my front door. i do. it's just -- the life that we live around here. you don't know if you walk out the door if you're going to walk back in the door or not. >> do you think if riots broke out again, do you think you would go down there? >> no. i don't think i would go down there. >> are you saying that just because she is standing here? >> no. i'm not saying that just because -- i just know my mother cares about me. why would i want to put myself back in a predicament when i just got out of -- but if i of

do go back down there, i would do it in a positive way. >> she cares a lot about you. >> right. >> well, thank you, michael. appreciate it. wish you the best. >> thank you. >> thank you. it was a real honor to talk to ms. graham today and be invited into her home. i want to show what's happening in new york city right now. that's a live picture. we don't actually have control over this camera. this is from wabc, a helicopter shot, you can see a lot being shined on a large number of protesters moving -- i believe that was around 57th street. and it's not exactly clear what's happening. but there is clearly -- that 57 -- you're looking at right now. so it looks like it was perhaps -- perhaps over on 56th that the protesters are making moving down, heading east. it looks like. that's the west side highway, i believe, from what i'm looking at. so you see there's a large number of protesters moving down the street, heading east. but it's not exactly clear what has been going on. it looks like there is a smaller

number of people there with some police vehicles around them. we have seen demonstrations similar to this, if you recall, in new york, several months ago. there were demonstrations up the west side highway, demonstrations unlike any of us had seen in the city in a very long time. kind of these roving groups of protesters moving up the west side highway, moving through traffic, not necessarily having a permit to demonstrate, which is traditionally what you have to have in this city. and it looks like it's kind of a similar roving group of protesters that have moved on from the main demonstration that took place earlier in union square. but now clearly seems like a smaller group has broken off, and is moving through the streets. there had been arrests made earlier, and it's very hard to tell from this vantage point what the police presence is, how the police are dealing with

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the curfew takes effect here in baltimore. a very different scene in the city tonight, nothing like we saw on monday, when that senior center still under construction was burned down. it would have contained dozens of affordable apartments. tonight the church that was behind the project is vowing to start over. we'll talk to the pastor shortly. but i want to show the situation in new york, our alexandra field is down -- alexandra, where are you exactly, and what's been going on? we just lost contact with alexandra, unfortunately. so what we're seeing here are pictures from wabc. it's confusing, hard to figure out. but it seems like the larger group of protesters which were in union square has now dissipated, several different groups have broken off. alexandra, i'm told we have contact with you again. what's going on where you are?

alexandra, you're on the air. what's happening? >> reporter: hi, anderson, this is a group of protesters that have walked up from union square. take a look at what's in front of me. we have really probably at least 100, maybe more than that, protesters who have just come off the west side highway, anderson. they're walking east across manhattan right now. there's a long line of police officers who have been escorting them. you actually see a big group of police officers walking in the opposite direction right now. not clear where they are headed. but up in front of this crowd, up this street on 55th street, you would actually see there's a long line of police officers up here. a lot of them on scooters, as well. they're just sort of escorting this crowd now as it makes its way across the city. anderson, i just spoke to some of the demonstrators and asked them what their plan is. where are they going? and they basically said they had started in union square with that large demonstration that we saw earlier this evening. and then there are a number of different groups that have sort of splinerred off right now. they are speaking to each other on text message. they're trying to meet up at

different points of the city. but they want to keep this alive tonight. they want to show this group that is out here, and police are still continuing to accompany them. >> we'll check in with you shortly. i want to go to our ryan young in baltimore. ryan, we saw here by city hall probably about 20 minutes ago a long line of police vehicles, even buses, it looked like with police officers. i understand -- i think they have now arrived at your location. what's going on? >> reporter: they have arrived at our location. we haven't seen a mass of officers in quite a long time out here. and if you look in this direction, that's where the buses went down to. they must have a staging area in the distance. i can tell you, we saw about 100 officers on that bus, and the crowd that's been mostly quiet for the night, started yelling when they saw the officers driving by. we have also seen increased troopers in the area. driving through the streets. but this large crowd over here has been amassing for most of the night, listening to the

street performances from a small kid who was doing street rap. there's been some conversation just about what's going on here, and making sure everybody off the streets before curfew. there's been people expressing their views and listening to the young man rap. but so far, when the officers went by that bus, anderson, that's when we heard the largest cheers or jeers from this crowd. >> and, again, curfew about half an hour away, ryan. we'll come back to you. one of the most tragic scenes from here in baltimore on monday night was to see an affordable housing center for seniors go up in flames. it was set to open in a few months. the fire destroyed 60 units, meant for low-income seniors. the building is owned by southern ballpark test church. pastor donte hickman joins me now. thank you for being with us. when you got there the next morning -- you were there that night. but when you saw it in the daylight, still smoldering, you and i met that day, there was still smoke coming up.

what went through your mind when you saw that? >> i was devastated. it was a surreal moment for me. i couldn't believe that it all had come down to rubble and ashes. >> you've been working, for, what, six years to build that? >> actually, eight years, envisioning, seeking funding, seeking partners that would invest in it, acquiring the property, cutting through the red tape. and finally, we were seeing our vision come into fruition. >> and do you -- i mean, even the night it happened, you were on our broadcast, and you were talking about rebuilding. you were talking about even in the depths of did he say pare, you had not given up hope completing this. >> we had been overcoming obstacles all the way for this entire eight years. it started off as a concept in a small row house, and is morphed into a 4,000 square foot facility through opposition, and then that morphed into a 60-unit housing facility. and we could only imagine that every obstacle has made us overcome even greater. and so we're just looking for something bigger and better this

time. >> when you and i first met the other day, you were saying something that's really stuck with me. and i've been they go about it a lot. you were saying you've had a past yourself. you know what a lot of these young people are going through, what they're facing. what do you tell them? because it's very easy not to have hope on the streets of baltimore in some communities. it's very easy. i mean, homes are boarded up. there's unemployment. it's -- you know, it's very high. there's not a lot of opportunity. what do you -- what do you tell people? >> i was expelled from three high schools. i was destined for a life of failure. but i turned my life around, getting a ged, and is experiencing what i felt was a call from god to preach. and so i discovered my purpose, which caused me to have a greater drive and determination to excel every limitation and underestimation placed upon me. i wrote a book, "the power of being underestimated," turning every negative into a positive. and i think many of our young people don't see hope. they look in the environments in which they live.

and it's hopelessness. it's despair. but i would invite them to get out of those environments, to be exposed to other worlds. to other ideas. and to seek that inspiration from within them that could cause them to become better. >> one of the things ms. graham said to me, who dragged her son out of the protests on monday, i interviewed her today, that also stuck with me. she said, you know, using the label "thug," my son is not a thug, she said. might have made some mistakes, not perfect, but he's not a thug. and that labelling somebody that these kids, our kids, already have enough people calling them names. they don't need that label as well. >> the labels are actually what confines the mentality. it causes them to -- it causes all of us to see ourselves in images that other people cast. but i think if we take those images and we begin to transform them, transcend them, and allow them to make us more determined, to see something more positive about ourselves, then we can

actually be what we think. and it's not determined by what people say about you. i think what people say about you can be used as motivation to make you manifest a larger destiny for yourself. >> i tweeted it out and put on my instagram, as well. you started a go fund me page for this senior center. and there are a lot of good hoax who would like to help out. it's go fund me -- >> actually, southernbaptistchurch.org, they can give onlien. a online. we are building 75 additional townhomes. we're continuing to build multiple mixed use development, and in that area. and so people have been responding overwhelmingly with love and support. and so it's not just that building. we're going to tear down all of the dilapidated housing in that area. >> i hope that continues. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> pastor donte hickman. less than 30 minutes from the curfew in baltimore. we're going to check in with

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welcome back. protesters now in the streets in new york, and baltimore. a heavy police presence as the curfew, day two approaches. now less than a half hour from now. chris cuomo is on the streets here. skbroi joins us now. chris, what's the situation? >> reporter: well, anderson, you

can hear the message loud and clear, very different dynamic, concerned citizen members out here, the ratio of young to old is very different, and they're saying it's time to go home. in the last half hour, the dynamic has changed. there has been a lot of police action here, staging up the street, national guard. enough personnel carriers to have a couple hundred. and now you have elijah cummings. he came, people are listening to him. the authorities came over to brief him on what the possibilities are. so he was able to give people good information. but you now have about 300 people here who aren't sure whether they want to leave or not. the interesting part of the dynamic is, the police aren't sure about what they're going to do or not. there's no phalanx lined up. they haven't made their decisions yet. the point from command was, we're going to see what the crowd does. the crowd wants to see what the police does. and that's a little bit of the confusion.

elijah cummings just took to the bull horn and said here's what you need to do, you need to take a step towards your home because that's the law tonight. we don't know what's going to happen. but there is not the aggression. >> chris, i've got to interrupt you. sorry. alexandra field in new york, what's going on? >> reporter: anderson, this is a scrum right in the middle of eighth avenue on 51st street, a confrontation between officers and demonstrators. hundreds of demonstrators turned on to eighth avenue, heading south. there were calls, get in the streets, we're in this together, these are our streets. we saw the police then running against traffic, running down eighth avenue and trying to force the demonstrators back up on to the sidewalks. that's would we saw as some demonstrators were starting to have some verbal conflicts with officers, getting very close. a lot of yelling and shouting from the demonstrators toward the police. we saw one woman arrested.

it has all come to a stop here on eighth avenue and 51st street. i think we've got a camera in there that can show you what's going on. but you've got a very, you know -- angry group of demonstrators right now who are standing here, shouting at police. they have formed a line, repeating that mantra of "i can't breathe." it looks like there's a demonstrator on the ground being placed under arrest. this group of demonstrators stopping, facing off against the officers who are standing here. this crowd getting very emotional. tensions certainly seem to start to accelerate, this crowd becoming angrier as they see a demonstrator put under arrest. this was something we saw further downtown earlier this evening, anderson. we saw maybe a couple dozen demonstrators in the streets, being arrested at that point. they proceeded up the west side highway, proceeded uptown for a lot of the time they're on the sidewalks. but police moving in once they got into the streets, anderson.

>> we should point out, eighth avenue goes northward, so the demonstrators were trying to move south down eighth avenue. they would be going against the traffic. and i'm assuming that's when they tried to get off the sidewalk and actually into the street with vehicles. that's when the police moved in. police have really tried to keep them on sidewalks, as much as possible. so as not to disrupt traffic and obviously it seems as alexandra said, to have come to a stand still. i also want to bring in our guest, pastor frank reid here in baltimore and sunny hostin in new york, and harry houck. harry, in terms of police tactics, this is obviously difficult for police in new york when you have protesters kind of mobile like this, moving against traffic and then trying to move into the streets. >> exactly. so, you know, as you can see, there is some arrests made when they go into the street. they're not going to allow the

traffic to be blocked or bridges to get blocked. this is an illegal demonstration. so the police are being lenient in letting them walk on the sidewalk, they're being escorted. there's probably hundreds of new york city police officers out there, and when they see -- hello? >> sorry, harry. let me jump in. i want to go to chris cuomo. chris, what's the situation where you are in baltimore? >> reporter: yeah. all right, now, we've had gang members who have been trying to be a force for good here. we had a group of bloods linking arms to tell people it's time to go home, even though there was nobody in the street except them. and then some opposing members got in their face. there was a little bit of a fracas in the middle for a while. and now they're just settling it down, and they're trying to line up to try and create some more. the problem is, anderson, nobody should be in the street. and now we have -- jay, come over this way. you have the police here in bigger numbers. they're getting ready to deploy. and when they saw the violence

in the street, they're now shielding up and getting ready to come up. so you have a situation now where you have people in the public space. the curfew is getting close. they're saying to go home, and they're pushing us forward. but them being in the street is going to be a problem. i know they're saying go home. they're saying, keep the peace, go home. but they're in the street and walking toward the cops. walking toward the cops in the middle of the street, they're going to come at you. >> we're going home. we're going home. we're not going towards them. we're going to the side. we believe in keeping the peace. we're not out here to cause a riot. everybody is up on the side. >> reporter: just be careful. you know how they are. if you seem like you're being provocative. >> definitely. we're not after that. we're going home, sir. >> reporter: be safe. watch out. >> it's a street fight.

stay back. the cops are going to come and break this up. most of the guys there are trying to break this up, anderson. they're trying to get him away. now you've got to remember, this is a community like any other and in a city with some tensions here that existed before this. and that's what bubbled up here when you had people taking to the street. them wearing different colors is significant. and they were linking arms, they were coming down. some took that as a power move, and they wound up being some petty fighting going on. the problem is, it pro vocativo police. so now we have a phalanx of officers, shielded up with sticks. the only thing between them and these guys is the media. so anderson, that's the situation right here. if you have any questions, you let me know. we're going to keep moving around. >> chris, do you have a sense of how many people now are

currently still in the street? >> reporter: yeah. now it's about several hundred people in the street. they have pinned back into the corner. they have separated the guys who were fighting. again, it's still a little bit divided by color over there. i don't mean black-white. i mean red and blue now. they're settling down, trying to force guys away from the street, move them from the situation. the street is starting to clear. jay, look to the left -- if the cops move, we'll go with them. the police are pinching in here. the police on one side, and on the other you just saw. you can see here -- go to the left, jay. they're moving them down the street. the guys who were fighting have been sent away. calmer heads prevailed over here, they dragged the guys off who were fighting. so now you have a little bit of a reorganization going on here. so everybody is still in the street, but there's not the violence, you don't have the linked arms. that's what set things off.

it did seem as though it was well-intentioned, anderson. you heard me talking to that young man, he said he wanted to go home. walking down the street wasn't the smartest thing, walking into the guys in the different colored shirts seemed to be a problem also. >> chris, we're going to stay with your pictures. i want to bring in pastor reid here, who has been kind enough to stay with us as the curfew approaches. dr. reed, you were saying before we went on-air. monday we saw the worst in baltimore, perhaps. but since then shall in the days since then, and today we have seen the best. >> we have seen the best and the worst. the funeral for freddie gray was the best of baltimore. we believe that there would be no violence, no rioting. but it broke out. but then ministers and gang leaders came together on the streets where the worst violence was, and stopped the violence. went back to the church and talked together. and so the question is not what

people obey the curfew tonight. the question is, dr. king said, american democracy is based upon the right of american citizens to disobey an unjust law. but if you disobey that unjust law, you have to deal with the consequences of that unjust law. and today many baltimoreans feel like we are in an occupied city. >> and to young people particularly who feel that, who feel a lack of opportunity, who feel a lack of a future that they can see, a road map to that future, what do you say? because there are very real reasons to feel a lack of optimism, a lack of hope. >> more important than what we say is to listen to their pain. and listen to what they want. because as we listen to our young people, then we can come up to solutions with solutions together. everybody is talking at them. right now, the violence we saw

in the 1970s, that was yale when they took over the freshman campus and were streaking. it would have been young people fighting, young people running around naked, and it's just good 'ole boys. but in the context of what's going on in baltimore, trying to make our children look like thugs. and we want to change the narrative. just like charles dickens wrote, that's the best of times and the worst of times we're seeing in baltimore again. the best of times and the worst of times. but things will get better, anderson. >> you believe that. you believe that things will get better, that businesses will reopen, that the cvs will come back. that all of baltimore will share in growth, not just the downtown part of baltimore, the waterfront. >> not only do i believe that, but that's what we're working for, with businesses like the greater baltimore committee. with college institutions like the university of maryland system. if we turn to each other instead of turning on each other, we can change the city.

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the curfew. you were showing us some of the outbreaks of scuffling going on. what's going on now? >> reporter: the good news is the police have remained content to observe. all right. they're standing in very fortified positions on both sides of this block and haven't advanced at all. and it having elijah comings here, he's had a bull horn and they're listening to him. one thing that's a little bit of a concern ands there is this confusion as to who this curfew is for. so you have these young men well intentioned telling people to go home and they're telling the media. so, they're putting themselves in harm's way to tell us to go home. and the curfew doesn't apply. but that being said, nobody is

confronting the police, they're confronting each other about going home and keeping this peaceful and led by elijah comings and you can see people have moved down that way and people are on that perimeter. the guys who were fighting were taken away and you will see there's still a pocket of people who aren't sure what they want to do but it's much smaller than it was and as we approach 10:00, it's moving in the right direction. but that's what i have for you for now. >> and hairy is also with us as we continue to stay on the images you're showing us and chris feel free to jump in if you see something that warrants it. but obviously, very difficult situation for the police wanting to hang back because we have seen so many citizens policing themselves over the last 24, 36 hours and clearly it seems like

they want that process to continue without having to actually move in themselves. >> we're probably going to see the same thing as last night, they'll stand back and then slowly start to move towards the crowd. i think it will probably quiet down within 30, 40 minutes after 10:00, hopefully. >> you know, i suppose there are some who think, well, at 10:00, you should have a firm line and disperse crowds but do you think it's wise to let that be a fluid time and at 10:00, start saying to people please move along, please move along. >> show paceance, they did it last night. there will be people who want to get arrested to execute a civil disturbance and be focussed on wanting to get arrested. so, they just to show they're

patient and my biggest concern is that we're now moving towards a national security concern. multiple cities, simultaneous, when this grows to more city across america, i think it's time now to hear something from the national security counsel and we focus on how we're going to deal with this as a nation. we need stop managing this and start leading and figuring a way forward and that needs to come forward. >> it's an interesting phrase that he just used. we need to stop managing this city by city and start leading. >> yeah, because i think at this point, we're now seeing an epidemic epidemic and not only of the death of unarmed young black men, we're also seeing this very organized protest and i think we

are going to see a lot of civil disobedience which is something many people use as a way of change, as a way to change things but i am concerned, anderson, that we're here minutes away from the curfew and even right behind us, there are many many people not heeding the curfew and that isn't necessarily what we saw last night. we saw people heeding the curfew and by 10:00, going home. that doesn't seem to be the case now with two minutes left. >> we're looking at helicopter shot of a group of people being lit up by the light of a helicopter. it doesn't seem like a big group. am i right? that's the main group that's there? >> reporter: you are absolutely right. and here is more good news. the officers have fallen back. these officers are moving over to the side of the street, one

of the people in the chain of command said they were going to try to open traffic and maybe they're going to try to come down to this line and the people around elijah comeings are going to move across the street and he's trying to move them through it and again, anderson, you have to say it, the leadership matters. there's been criticism of where the mayor and governor were, elijah lives a few blocks from here, they respect him and they heed his words. leadership matters. and what has moved most people into moving along is that friday is our day. friday is our day, let's take into friday. i don't know what is expected on friday by these good men and women here and searchers for justice, as they say. and there's very little chance

that you get a sense of closure about freddy gray. >> and that certainly is not the case from the the legal experts we've talked to. i want to hand over our coverage to don lemon, and still protesters out in baltimore, we've seen the protesting in new york. >> as you've been saying, it's not just here and you never know what can happen and hopefully it will be peaceful and people will go into their homes, or at least get off the street, anderson. i want to add some questions to you. we have a lot going on here. it is curfew time right now. it is 10:00 p.m. in baltimore and for the second night, a city wide curfew is beginning right at this very moment and for the second night, crowds of people are still out on the streets, although they seem to be dwindling right now.