s they say. and there's very little chance that you get a sense of closure about freddy gray. >> and that certainly is not the case from the the legal experts we've talked to. i want to hand over our coverage to don lemon, and still protesters out in baltimore, we've seen the protesting in new york. >> as you've been saying, it's not just here and you never know what can happen and hopefully it will be peaceful and people will go into their homes, or at least get off the street, anderson. i want to add some questions to you. we have a lot going on here. it is curfew time right now. it is 10:00 p.m. in baltimore and for the second night, a city wide curfew is beginning right at this very moment and for the second night, crowds of people are still out on the streets,

although they seem to be dwindling right now. we hope that stays in place. tensions are rising here. protests have spread from baltimore to new york city to washington d.c. anger all across this country calls for justice and demands for change but tonight the question is will there, can there be a peaceful night here in baltimore? that is a big question here. chris cuomo is out on the streets and anderson cooper is here and has been reporting all evening. anderson two nights of curfews, you've been watching this grow and they're moving to get off the streets and this is going all across this country. >> it's fascinating to see in new york, similar demonstrations that we saw in the wake of the death of erick garner and roving demmen stragds nonstrations throughout

the street. we just saw a stand off as protesters tried to move against traffic. much more peaceful and organized with permission from the police in washington d.c. and also minneapolis. but to the point, at the end of the broadcast, he's saying it's time to stop managing this and start leading. >> absolutely. and after we saw the not indictment when those protests spread across the country as well. and somebody you've been talking to as well chris tell us what you're seeing right now. >> reporter: right. we have the chopper up above right now. it is announcing it is curfew time it's time to get out of the street. >> this is the baltimore police department. it is now 10:00. >> effective until 5:00 a.m. that's what they were saying

last night. anyone you see a hel mltmet on that's the media. and they say they were here to cover this tonight and this is mostly media right now. and i don't know why they're in the middle of the intersection but it's mostly media. and the numbers are not as great as they were. i don't know if they redeployed. but the continuing concern is down the side streets, we do have people lingering in the middle and you'll see it down there, there's a camera in the way but you go down a blaurks you have people and you go down a block and it's clear on the other two sides because the police are there. so it's going in the right direction and people are aware there are marches in other cities they are aware that there's a different feel out here a lot of elders. and i think it's going the right way. and here comes elijah comings

again. it is what you see. he's walking right now. >> chris cuomo is out in the crowd where they're trying to get the folks to disperse and when you get him, get back to us. we're going to cnn's ryan young. ryan i want to bring you in because we have comings -- let's go back to chris. >> reporter: congressman, do you feel happy with what's happening? >> we're trying to get people to

get home. my number one priority is getting people to go home. >> reporter: do you feel you've done a good job? >> i think we've done a great job. all this is media. you're taking pictures of each other. >> reporter: congressman is right. the media is doing exactly that and the police haven't had anything to do with that and in truth, elijah and the community leaders have done it and has not required any police action tonight. >> we're good chris. you're breaking up a little bit. i do want to get over to ryan. as you saw last night, last night it was much more tense because people didn't know exactly what was going to happen. it appears much more people off the streets but it is a little bit more chaotic. what's your assessment? >> reporter: we've been standing

near chris and when the fight broke out between the gang members, we got nervous because you could tell people were trying to clear the street and we saw people throwing punches and the police decided to stay over there and they actually allowed everyone there to and the community cleared the streets. and we heard them just a second ago and he believes there's more media here tonight than there were last night. so he was saying, he wanted some of the people in the street to go away because he felt it was exacerbating the situation. police are over there and across the street. there was a small popping noise and everybody went to investigate it but the issues have been contained to the center of the street and you can see the community members stepping in saying --

[ inaudible ] i will try to put my mic up in the air for you, don. hold on pp. >> and that is the command that is coming from the police helicopter that comes every night. >> reporter: they are using their spot light and showing it down on this large area. i can tell you about maybe 10 minutes ago, there were 150 people in this interseconds and now that it's cleared out, what you see behind us now is very few residents and a lot of need media members standing in the street. there is no tension now, it's just everybody standing around seeing what's next. and elijah going in the middle of the crowd, despite the fight, and saying, i love this community, i would please like you to go home and be safe.

>> at points it's tough to hear you because of the police helicopter but that's the situation right now. the interesting thing is that the congressman is out there and we've seen numerous people from the community out there and that has really made all the difference is ving all those people out there. the president said yesterday, it's not about the police it's about the community and a city wide effort to make sure that the rioting doesn't happen again. >> reporter: it's very interesting, the flash point may v happened with several fires but redemption may happen here as well. when you see people of all different faiths and ethnicities get together and say we're not going to let this city fall apart, that's when you know something good is happening. and when police decided to stay back and allow that fight to be

separated by active members who decided decided, we're not going to allow this fight to spill over and get out of control, they moved those people down the street. community leaders stepped in very quickly and now you can see police officers sort of standing there, i'm not going to say casual but today, they were willing to talk to us off camera and willing to say that the community had a different position to them and the fact that it felt a lot calmer than yesterday. >> i want you to stand by and chris cuomo stand by. we're going to get you to new york because there are large scale protests going on there as well. and brian, what are you seeing? >> reporter: don, we're not too far from where chris and ryan are transmitting about a half a block away.

huge columns of police just standing here at the ready and our photo journalist are going to take walk this way. we want to show you is the depth of police and national guard response that is at the ready here along the corridor of pennsylvania avenue and north avenue. here you have a back up of officers -- yes, sir, we will. this gentleman doesn't want to let us back here. but you have national guardsman in this direction over here. so multiple layers on every side of this intersection don, of officers and as we were walking up, there seemed to be more people on the streets but it does seem to be dissipating with each passing moment. the community leaders and some of the volunteers have gotten out here in force and made these people go home. we saw a lot of young kids walking peacefully out of the

area heeding the instructions. right at the stroke of 10:00, you heard the loud speakers going off, saying it's 10:00, the curfew is in place and there are a few people milling about, not only journalists, but a few local citizens as well. >> cnn's brian todd and many more correspondents. as i promise you, we want to get you to new york. these are live pictures you're looking at. there seems to be some disturbance with police. a man appears to be getting arrested here. and it's 11 minutes into the hour. there's a curfew in baltimore maryland where it appears police have gotten it under control but in new york city where there are demmen demonstrations there is chaos and what looks to be an arrest.

alexandra, take us to the scene. what's going on. in times square. >> reporter: i'm on 42nd street and what you saw was the crowd walking against traffic and that's why the police began to swarm and arrest that man. this is a scene that we've seen play out over the last few hours. the crowd here has swelled and contracted. they started in union square and were on the west side highway. you go to times square and they are over here. you hear a lot of shouting and chanting. the police have been closely staying with him and a lot of the time forming a line and walking next to the crowd and other times on mopeds. when the demonstrators go into the streets, that's when you see police reacting and making arrests.

we saw a lot of arrests this evening when a huge group got in the middle of 17th street. and we've heard tense words exchanged. we're hearing a lot of demonstrators who are frankly angry. a lot of them chanting baltimore, we've got your back and a lot of them shouting directly at police officers and you see them pause at times to have these confrontations. and the police will line up as the crowd shouts back and then the crowd moves back on which is what we're doing right now is heading back on 42nd street. >> so these are moving protests and how many protesters do you think is on cnn? >> reporter: we are probably in a crowd of a couple hundred right now. earlier this evening, we were in union square when hundreds and hundreds of people gathered and

that was an organized demonstration, don. that was widely advertised on social media. they said they wanted a place to express their sadness, out rage over what they had seen in baltimore. there was no planned march but you did see this group take to the streets. and the nypd has used a different tactic. earlier in the winter, we saw these marches very routinely and a lot of times the police would allow them their space and allow them to walk the streets and only stopping to make arrests when they felt there was a stronger disturbance but tonight, they came in at the beginning and stet up speakers telling people if they ubstracted the sidewalks or got in the streets, they would make arrests and they followed through with that.

right now, you can see this crowd on the side of the police escort has swellen and contracted if necessary. >> i want you to stand by. don't go fwarar. she is in times square with a large protest that is happening here because that's happening here because of what's going on in baltimore. protests are kraupg upcropping up in major cities. washington d.c. as well. 15 minutes after second night a curfew has gone into place in baltimore. the city here looks like it's pretty much gotten it incontrol right now. media can be out and are allowed to be out. so of course you would expect a lot of media to be out there

given the magnitude. and let's talk about all of this. we'll get back to all of our reporters in the field and especially if something happens. and joining me here in baltimore, she used to live in baltimore. and a form spokesman for the police and a crisis and public safety expert. second night, as we watch these pictures unfold you see what's happening in new york what's your assessment as a law enforcement officer? >> i think what we're seeing is the community engaged, making a positive difference. and the sooner the community can get involved and making sure they work with one another to quell the violence the better. and you have to understand that these issues don't know boundaries. there's concerns about police brutality and folks are going to

mobilize in this world of dig s it and everyone to be heard and validated. >> and last time we had a guest, the former commissioner said he didn't feel that curfew was a good idea but do you think it's worked well here? >> i do. and at this city and this time the curfew is working and the community is engaging, the elders as i said last night are really tugging the young people by the sleeve and saying there's a better way to handle this. >> chris is out in the crowd and with the congressman elijah. >> reporter: they are announcing success and that they got people home and without police force

and by collective conscience. >> let's listen to it. >> as you can see, both of them now have gone home and we want to thank baltimore agren peacefully demonstrateing and as the congressman has said we will not rest until we get justice for freddy gray we will not rest until there is a full clear, transparent investigation of our police department as well as the police are who involved in it death of freddy gray and the practices that are currently going on that allow people go nothing to custody end up dead. we don't ever want to have that kind of discussion again. we don't want to see another individual get cornered in that type of situation. it doesn't matter what the issue was, we [ inaudible ].

>> having a bit of issue with chris's connection. >> baltimore, thank you for being patient and understand that investigations take time and as they have already said we have two federal investigations going on. we're going to make what needs to be right in baltimore. as congressman has already told me we're going to continue to look at what is happening in our city in terms of economic development and we're going to make sure we force money up into this part of town we're going to make sure that our children this summer are working and we're going to put the kind of emphasis on this side of the city as we do on [ inaudible ] and that is valuable to us as is -- >> that is the state senator speaking in the community as well as elijah comings. we apologize but there are so

many people trying to get signals and the internet connection is a bit spotty and the reason he can get through that crowd is because he's on broad band. and still right now, some folks out in the street but this is much better than what people had expected and probably as good as they would like it. you heard them saying they want to focus on the investigation. >> i think the curfew is working, it worked last night. and we saw a large group of people behind us and that has now dissipated. and we're seeing leadership leadership in the communities. and that's what we need to see, we have elijah someone i know i think quelling the fears. because what i've heard these past couple of days is the ritsz have taken away the focus from what the protesters were

initially seeking, which is justice. they wanted answers and i think what we're seeing is a return to focus and perhaps more peace. >> it's interesting that these guys are able to with the help of law enforcement, get a handle on the young people and also the rowdy folks in a way that they weren't able to do in certain cities and that's because if you look at the mom, right. when that mom got on that kid and he's back away going mom okay i'm sorry and these folks are doing the same thing with the community leaders. >> and that's what community is all about. i know when i was that prosecutor's office we changed our tactic. when the communities know that you care when they have a face to the name of the officer or prosecutor it goes back to what policing was initially about and that's sort of the beat cop and that's what i have always found

effective. so when you have a congressman and state senator explaining that they are there for the community and going to get answers and justice. that is tip clayypically what happens with older members and younger members who have felt helpless. people have said why would young people damage their own neighborhoods? it's helplessness that we were seeing. >> and 22 minutes after the top of the hour and that's a crowd in baltimore what you see right there, that light, obviously, the license from the cameras, but they're focusing on the community leaders out in that crowd addressing not only the media but addressing people in the community, some of the people who wanted to stay past that cowerurfew and that is really what is making a difference here and we have correspondents all

over baltimore. and it's interesting you're seeing fights among people in the neighborhood and you're seeing arrests in new york city. >> different city different situation. and these are emerging situations in new york city. and they certainly have a unique challenge. in baltimore, a couple of days ago, it was about resources what i hear from folks in baltimore, it is about enforcement and housing and education, it's about addiction and mental health services and when they can focus using the same time, same place strategy positive substantive change can happen. and the first order of leadership is provide a safe place to live and i underscore the term "safe."

>> and we have to give kudos to the police officers who have been working day and night. especially in the evening. we all know it's difficult to do crowd kre control when the sun goes down and we have seen restraint restraint, which is different than what we saw in ferguson which exacerbated the crowds we were there in ferguson. but they are showing force but not engaging when unnecessary and i think that's what led to the pieceeacefulness and community in involvement involvement. >> i have an interview that is close to one of the officers that was involved in the apprehension of freddy gray and i think she gives me great insight on that stuff. but i need to report this is from the washington post. a prisoner who road in that

police van with gray told investigators he could hear him banging against the walls and believe he was quote intentionally trying to injure himself. that according to an investigative document obtained by the post. now the prisoner was separated by metal partition and could not see him. and again, that information is coming from the washington post. and i spoke with someone who has knowledge with someone inside of that van and gives a similar story. and you can watch that, that's coming up in just a few moments on cnn. you don't want to misthat. what do you make of that information, sunny? >> i think it underscores how difficult this investigation is going to be. everybody is looking for an answer on friday -- >> but that he intentionally injured himself. >> and that is coming from

someone not in direct vision of him but was in the van, so that is someone's opinion of what was going on and then we're going to have other poens s opinions of what was going on. >> how important is that? >> i think that's something the prosecutor will look at but they have to look that forensics. but if the autopsy report shows a severed spine, it's going to be difficult to somebody to believe anyone could sever their own spine. >> is this consistent with what authorities have said that he was trying to injure himself or that he was being unruly in the back of the van? >> i have heard them say is that they felt there should have been medical attention called before he was put in the van and i heard authorities say he was not

seatbelted 234inside the van but whether he tried to injure or escape himself, i think that needs to be investigated. >> have you seen people get in the back of vans and do what the post is alleging? >> you've had people trying to escape and i'm not saying he could escape but in their minds potentially they might believe that. i have seen that happen in the past and i don't know what happened in this place, but folks who have their freedom taken away do many different things. >> one person said they were not seatbelted and it's an unwritten rule that they usually aren't seatbelted. she shed light on we go places you have not gone in this investigation and i think it's going to be very interesting for people to hear that. if that is the case as an attorney or law enforcement,

that they didn't belt him in the a back of that van, does that expose police to the department to anything? >> i think there would be expoeser there certainly because it's whether or not -- there's civil liability or criminal liability. and that's intentional. it's intentional. so if it was intentional, that he was not belted that's going to be problem. >> for sure. i think it's going to be lookedalitylooked ality at forrom a criminal standpoint. and some officers report and maybe this is a call for them to take a hard look that criminal transport vehicles. there should be recording, audio and visual so we know what

happens. we know what resources you can afford but at the end of the day, we do need wait for this investigation. there could be a lot of reasons that many different things happen. >> and 10:28 and a curfew went into place here in baltimore maryland and you're looking at the pictures there. still, some people out on the streets, not nearly as many as last night. it looks like they are dispersing and the community leaders, along with law no enforcement, of course and the sit a ecity city's leaders are helping. and the post is reporting that someone who was in the van that it appears to them that he tried to injure himself in the back of that van, that he was acting in ways that other person thought he was trying to injure himself. i want to get to cnn's brian

todd who has more information on the tactics with dealing with the situation going forward. >> reporter: dorngsn, as far as the optics of the situation are concerned, a fairly dramatic different tact. again, as we've been reporting, this has been a flash point of the violence and unrest here. but just a short time ago, along these streets, it's kind of empty here now in the middle but just a short time ago, there were large columns of police multiple layers deep in the middle of this street and the middle of the cross street. they have now shifted. look at wrhere they are now. they are lining themselves on this side of north avenue. i asked the police commander just a short time ago why they made that shift and he said just

to give a softer look and again, the police being extremely conscious of what's gone on and they are paying attention to the dynamics of this neighborhood and that's why they're doing this. they're lining the sidewalks, they're not in the middle not being confrontational and i can tell you last night, in the middle of the curfew the police got out of here fairly quickly and it was eerily quiet and empty. so, this was the shifting dynamic of police shifting their tactics tonight to give a softer look to this intersection that has seen so much trouble in the last few days. >> brian todd good information. thank you very much. new tactics for police here. this is how police dealt with people who wouldn't go home last night. a protester later identified by

joseph kent and pushed into a humvee and held on a charge of a curfew violation. his attorney joins us now. it let's watch what happened last night as we were live on the air and then we'll talk about it. you see him. >> but he walks across with his hands up. >> what was he trying to accomplish by walking in front of officers? >> he's a well known community activists. he got national attention when he did very much the same thing during the baltimore's response

to the ferguson protest. he's gone as a peace maker and when you listen on the audio, he's heard telling people to disperse and go home and t him so much positive attention in the fall. >> but officers on the other side when he walked on to the street here last night, this is where rocks and things were being thrown, so police may have thought he was part of the crowd and he is walking with his hands up but he's talking to media and telling them to go home. we have every right to be there. >> but what it doesn't show is him telling protesters the same thing. a helicopter unlawfully made an announcement media, leave the area immediately. they almost immediately rescinded that order but what his position was was the protesters that were beginning to get hostile, he obviously,

the press has a right to be there but his opinion was is that it was making it worse because it was egging people on because they wanted to get on camera and he's a peace maker. >> i spoke with two people who knew him and they said he's a good guy but said he should have had his but at home last night. >> he went out there to try to settle things down. and the last thing he wanted was anymore violence and he was trying to stop it. >> so did he explain that to police and they still arrested him and he's still involved -- >> he's still in jail right now and we're working hard to expu expudite -- he hasn't even been seen by the commissioner yet. and there was a huge uproar i see i was getting thousands and

thousands of twitter requests to vaf verify he was safe because of the nature of them taking him. and we had a face-to-face talk and he said he's physically okay not injured, he's safe in there. he's eager to get out and we hope that happens very rapidly but what he wanted me to tell people to most is that he didn't want violence in his name and when he heard all the messages i was getting in the thousands -- >> so the people i speak to who knew him today didn't know the whole story. >> you could also say anyone who does something brave to try to do something good for others should have their but home. >> and that's what i'm saying he's trying to do something good

and in his estimation he's trying to do a service. >> he can't help but do things good for his community and he's trying to do that. and whether or not he should be home is a discussion for another day. and someone who was trying to do something good in the face of something bad and i think we should respect that. >> he's a college sophomore and he protested during the ferguson -- >> not only protested but he was woun one of the people getting national attention for urging peace and calm and restraint and that's who he is and what he wants. he loves this community and loves the western and trying to keep the peace. >> what was his reaction immediately when that humvee came toward him? >> he said he barely knew anything until he was swarmed by officers. he said he didn't hear or see the humvee. the reason i've been out at the

protests was to teach people from a constitutional perspective what they can do to keep people safe. >> he walked towards the media and then right in front of the officers do you think they thought there was a threat even though his hands were up? >> what anyone knows about peaceful protest is you tell people put your hands up if you have to approach the line you put your hands up -- >> so he's walking here and -- >> his hands are already up and he's walk slowly because he wants them to know he's not a threat. i don't know if you have the audio here but you can hear him say, can everybody here me can everybody here me? disperse. and thats are what we coach

people on how to engage in a peaceful protest. but he sounds like he knows what he's doing in a peaceful protest. >> he's walking in front of the police there are no people there. there aren't any protesters or people who appear to be violating the curfew and he's walking in front. >> and that's a strategy. what he did was he walked the whole line so they would see him being peaceful and nonaggressive and then he comes back. because let me ask you this for what reason would he want to provoke officers and then come back and tell everybody -- >> i agree with you. and do you feel that this was excessive on the part of police? >> at this point, the humvee pulled in between the cameras and my client. i don't know if that was intentional, if it was, it was a

great tactic. and i don't know if that was intentional or not. >> i believe it would be intentional. >> well my goal is to get my client free and i don't want to engage in anything that might exacerbate the situation. >> not guilty to -- what's next? >> i'm going to have to discuss that with him. our discussion was centered almost exclusively on his freedom. >> and it they just can't get to it with the uprising and the number of arrested. >> that's right. and the bail review hearings were shut down. >> he doesn't have one set yet. >> there's been a lot of interest and we're glad to get you on and we hope he's out soon

and will come and speak to us as well and we'll of him the opportunity who asks why he did what he did. >> he would welcome that and he loves this community. >> thank you very much. listen we want to get back out to new york city because there are a large number of arrests out there. what can you tell us alexandra? >> reporter: this is 42nd. you can see police are still standing by. there is still a group of protesters and matching through much of the city growing and shrinking at various times p. and some of them simply venting towards one another and also towards police officers. we saw the first arrests made down on 17th street and we saw more when we were over on 8th avenue. and the times where we've seen

police really step in have bhin the protesters have gone into the road. we've seen them many times walking against traffic. and they said, get in the street everyone we're in this together. the police have been drawing very firm line that they are not going to allow people into the streetsz streets. they have used their mopeds to get people on the sidewalk. the group did splinter when initial arrests were made but people have been calling each other up and encouraging people to keep this alive tonight. we saw a lot of demonstrations han over the winter and you were out for that. we saw people come out and protest in the wake of eric garner and they say they need to continue to be heard.

the group certainly quieting down. we have seen them much more in impassioned through much of the evening. >> we'll get back to you. keep an eye on new york. and we are live in baltimore. we have a lot more to come tonight. a city under curfew for a second night in a row. almost 45 minutes past the hour now and again, under curfew. i want you to pay attention to what is going to happen next because everyone has been talking about what happened inside the van and what took so long to get medical attention, a was he seatbelted? a family member of one of the officers involved in that arrest is speak out and what may have happened inside of that van.

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we're watching the pictures of what's happening in baltimore and we're watching new york where there's a massive protest there. and brian, you just reported that police have new tactics now. what are you seeing? >> reporter: don, another illustration of how quickly the dynamic on the street can change. we were just asked to move to the side because they're opening up this section of the police to regular city traffic and there it is a city bus, not in service but you have some of the police and media vehicles leaving. you have other vehicles moving through and they're trying to get back to norm aels and they're trying to open up this section to traffic and this is much earlier than they did last night. it's at least an hour earlier

than they did last night. the police told us they wanted a softer look so had their police officers move to the sidewalk and now, look at this there were officers ringing that part of the sidewalk just a moment ago. they're gone. so it's about a 3rd1/3 the side that it was a moment ago. and opening up this street to traffic now and they are trying to get this back to normal as quickly as possible and earlier than last night. >> brian todd okay. stand by. i want everyone to pay attention to this. because this is as much information as we have gotten. baltimore trying to calm the anger over the arrest and death of freddy gray. the washington post is reporting right now that a prisoner who road in the police van with gray

said that he could hear gray banging around and said that he sounded like he was quote trying to injure himself. the prisoner was separated from gray by a metal partition and could not see him in that van but tonight, we are hearing the story from one of the officers in that arrest a family member who asked us not to show her face. she wanted to share with us what the officer has said about what happened. she said the officer did not ask her to approach us but she believes it is the right thing to do. we know her identity and her relationship to the officer but we have agreed not to disclose that. we talked to her a short time ago. why are you coming forward? >> because no one else is speak up for the officers that were

involved. nobody's standing up for the officers any of them and that's just not right. >> and the person that you are directly related to is? >> african american. >> what did he say happened? >> he believes whatever happened to buildmr. gray happened before he was transported. >> someone was saying he was in the back going crazy. >> he was irate and cursing, yelling and he was kicking. and that's what was heard. >> what happened first? was he secured first? >> he was placed into the wagon with cuffs, not shaqckledshackled he was shackled later in route to where they were going and they had to

stop and at that point they shackled him and the officers who placed him in the back of the wagon and shackled him did not seatbelt him. it's an unspoken rule that when someone is irate, you don't reach over someone that's irate because they still have a mouth and they don't have a muzzle so they can bite you and spit in your face. so you have to get in close proximity to someone in order to seatbelt them. >> it has been said that the person driving the van or that they will give them a rough ride just because they gave them so much trouble being arrested sometimes. did this happen in this case? >> how could they do that when the arresting officers actually have to call just like they call for back up a paddy wagon isn't right there when they arrest someone.

so, that officer doesn't know what transpired before he got there and he's not involved in trying to chase this gentleman or man handle him. he's transportation. so when he arrives, that's basically all that he's supposed to do and so how can anyone say that it was a rough enough ride for this gentleman as injured as he was and if he was injured in the wagon, then why wasn't the other gentleman injured as well when he's given the statement. why can't they figure out why this gentleman was injured when he was being chased or where he was injured. there are a million cameras everywhere. >> do you think they're hiding something? >> yes i do. what would be . >> what would be the reason?

>> because if they tell the whole story, then what do they do about all this stuff that transpired up to this point? there's been a riot a curfew -- >> all right. apparently there was an issue with that interview. we'll try to get you the rest of it. there's many more minutes of that interview. but she also spoke about she believes he was injured before he was picked up and she says that the officer believes he was injured before he was picked up. probably in the initial scuffle with police and so that officer believes that the officers before them injured the gentleman, admitting that it was probably excessive force. i want to bring back in sunny, you know we're in the middle of the interview and it broke off,

but what do you make of -- this is her version of her relative's account. >> this underscores for me as a prosecutor how difficult this case is. when you see the initial video t was clear to many people he was injured, he seemed to be screaming in pain and seemingly dragged to the van almost like a rag doll. many people said he was standing on the bumper of that van, i didn't see that. i saws someone in pain being assisted into the van. but now you have these different versions of events coming from several different people and that is it case that the prosecutor is going to get. so for all the people saying we want an indictment on friday that isn't going to happen because that prosecutor has to grapple with all thoizse things. and it's not always what

happened it's what you can prove. >> she believes that the officers in this particular case initially they were trying to protect them but then after the information of the investigation doesn't appear at this point doesn't appear to go in the direction favorable to the officers that's the city leadership switched sides, change their story because it would not be politically benefit them. what creedancy do you put into that? >> i think there are going to be a lot of conspiracy theorists. and it shows you how difficult this case is going to be when handled over to the prosecution. >> when i listen to the woman talk about the facts, is it possible it could have happened that way? absolutely. i talked to the specialist in spine and neck areas and they have told me that there could

have been an injrbury on the street which ultimately brought the gentleman to the hospital. there are a lot of angles to this story. more angles to take a hard look at and everything from the initial reasonable suspicion up to and leading to the arrest and the transport before they called the paramedics. and justice cuts many different ways and this needs to be a very objective situation so everybody gets treated fairly. >> and also we're watching the streets of new york city of washington d.c. and of course, of baltimore maryland almost an hour after a second night of curfew has gone into place. we'll be right back.

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