altimore on the right very small group now of protesters, people who have been out on the streets. you saw there congressman elijah comings leading a large group away and the city of brultherly love in philadelphia. >> it was new york that had the protests and arrests. it seems to be much more peaceful in philadelphia. we have a lot to get to. what's going on at 10:00 p.m.? it is curfew time in maryland. it is the third night in aa row that they've had this curfew. it's all calm now. today we learned new things.

two key developments. the man carrying freddy gray made a stop we didn't know about. one discovered on surveillance camera and not logged by police. and they're saying that his death came from an injury he suffered when he was slammed into the police van. we're keeping an eye on it for you, protests anger and people who say they won't give up until they get justice. cnn's chris cuomo is out there, anderson cooper is here and has been covering it for us all evening here on cnn. i want to begin with cnn pfs's anderson cooper. catch us up. >> the scene in philadelphia has been in very large demonstrations, people moving through the streets, hundreds of people moving.

a number of protesters wanted to get on to an off ramp and a few bottles were thrown. i believe a few arrests may have been made. and the protesters continued to move and that's the group we're still seeing now on the street. >> philadelphia, a large city used to dealing with large demonstrations. you spoke with the mayor, what did he tell you? >> he said people have the right to protest and he has respect for what they're calling for and he wants to allow them to express their opinion and grievances and trying to balance that with the safety of the police and the functioning of the city but clearly seems to be just following along and letting the protesters move where they will. >> i want to get now out to the streets of baltimore now. cnn's brian todd has been

covering it this evening like he has every evening. where are you and what are you seeing? >> reporter: we're just down the intersection of north avenue and pennsylvania avenue. and our photo journalist is going to pan over here. state senator catherine pugh and elijah comings have moved people away from the intersection as curfew hit. there he is walking on a side street. he basically got on his bull horn after him and others locked arms and they basically led people away from the intersection to try to get them to stop block traffic and they did succeed in getting a lot of people off that intersection. since then the people have dispersed and moved back up toward pennsylvania and north avenue. there is a crowd gathering

there. we'll see if they're blocking traffic. that was the main issue a moment ago. congressman came and talked to them and told them about the state's attorney's office taking the case and that they have to be patient and hopefully answers will come answers that they have not been satisfied with yet and trying to get them to move off the intersection. and that came after police told us they were waiting for local leaders to come get them off the middle of the intersection. fascinating tactic by the police, they would rather have local leaders come do it rather than do it themselves and then they came in here started hearing their frustrations and basically talking these people out of the intersection and then leading them out of the intersection. that was a moment ago. still a lot of people up here.

the goal of the police is to try to get them to stop blocking the intersection. now the curfew has hit. we'll see if they're still lingering in that intersection. that may become an issue as we proceed from here, don. >> it is four minutes after the hour almost five minutes after a mandatory curfew has gone into effect again tonight. and there are still people on the streets, a bit more people than were on the streets last night and as you have been watching here on cnn, the congressman out on the streets with other community and city leaders trying to get those people off the streets. we're also following a large protest in philadelphia and poppy har low has been covering that one for us this evening. take us through philadelphia. >> reporter: let's turn around here. you can see what has become a

smaller protest but it started at 4:30 this afternoon at city hall a gathering that turned into 4 plus hours of walking through the street. i want to emphasize how peaceful this has been throughout the day. it has been a march that law enforcement said would be largely loud and very large but also very lawful and it has been very lawful throughout with the exception of about 20 minutes tonight. i thing we have video to show you. the intersection, a huge group of protesters gathered, police on boiks s bicycles would not let them on. earlier i speak to a young man and we were talking about a

moment that happened right in front of the federal prison in downtown philadelphia where people started chanting and raise their hands and you saw some of the inmates banging, don, on the windows of the prison and i asked why it was important to be there and what it was like. >> it was powerful and we're here to say we're not going to let us walk all over us. i'm just as important as you and you should see that. >> reporter: and that was a moment of someone who told me for them what this was like personally. i've heard stories from mothers, white, black, telling me why they're here and it's about freddy gray and they want answers and it's about a lot more and economic dispart and a lack of opportunity and that's a big part of this discussion,

don, as you know. >> there was a lot that persipitated in the back of that police van or didn't happen. and of course that's a big rally that you're seeing the protest in philadelphia right in the middle of the city but the big city the one that got us here is the streets of baltimore. and chris cuomo is there and has been covering it for us every evening here. where are you? >> reporter: right by the cvs, obviously known for being burned down and now it's condemned and boarded up. i'm here with a local preacher and the concern interest the reverend is he's out here like a lot of concerned citizens are to get the young people to have a voice for their anger and you're saying that one of the things is that the police are moving round and making sure people are gone some of the media you feel are

baiting people to stay angry. >> absolutely. my concern that they're enjoying people's anger. it's a curfew the mayor called a curfew not the police department, the mayor. so, i think that some of the media need to comply to that and not give certain guys a platform to argue, to spew out their anger toward the police department. we understand their injustice done but there's a way to do it and we need all the communities, the pasters and the preachers and even the parents to start teaching what it means the have order. it's a good way to do things and justice will prevail, we believe, but in the mean time we don't want to see these young brothers get arrested. >> but they're angry and they have the police staring at them and even though they are they've

been very nonconfrontational and let them block the intersection but they feel still with what you heard today, i saw you counseling a lot of young people and they're getting ready for the cover up he did it to himself. what do you tell them? >> you tell them that even if that's the case burning up and tearing up is not the answer burning up their community is not the answer. and you have seen them out here. they're upset. they don't feel like they should have to go home. they feel like this is their turf and the police this is not their turf so why do we have to go home we're not doing this or that so it becomes a bigger problem because where's the answer? they don't want to go home. they feel like we shouldn't have to be made to go home. we're grown.

>> reporter: and just earlier i heard you talking to brian todd and some of the local electives here not the mayor, the governor, but it works and the young people hearing him and you all started singing spirituals and walking down the street. were you surprised at how many came back? >> a lot of these young people are decent. when you call them thugs and call them -- it's an impoverished community, they don't have jobs they don't have money. i've given money out of my pocket to someone telling me they're hungry. they want to be based upon how they feel. i understand where they're coming from and you have to dialogue with them let them vent out and try to give them wisdom and not everybody's out here being a thug.

>> reporter: true. what we see is the officers are starting to scoot up. the curfew has passed. so, now we're going to see what they do but the situation -- most of the people you're looking at right now are media, not reverend there are still some people here the police are starting to put on their shields and we'll monitor the situation and let you know what they do. >> chris, we'll keep your pictures up and monitor the situation with you. as chris cuomo has been saying now, the officers are coming suiting up and with the shields. and migel isuel is out there with the crowds. what's up? >> reporter: this is the interesting hour here. it's 1/4 after the hour.

it is mostly media but there are some people out here who have come to challenge the police to some degree. they have the helmets and shields on but they don't have all the protective gear on their bodies and they blocked off pennsylvania as it was north of here right next to the cvs and they are block them in as usual. i want to talk to mark cart right here who we've been chatting with. you were talking with city leaders and how to get beyond this. what were they saying? >> kudos to the city. they want to remain incognito because it's not about the media and publicity, it's about empowering young youth and we understand where they're coming from and encouraging them to have a positive protest.'re unifying

baltimore. what's really going on here is a beautiful site. >> reporter: well yes. but we have a stand off here tonight. saturday, there are expectations that aren't being met. what are the levels of concern of the city and how will they confront them? >> it's a deep concern and we want answers, justice and peace. that's been the motion. the city has given us information that doesn't necessarily sit well with anyone, our stomachs are still turning, our fists are still clenching with passion. we believe in the justice system and want to to continue with us. >> reporter: that is the big concern, this idea that this leaked information that mr. gray has somehow harmed himself,

despite the fact that he asked for medical attention before getting into the police van to begin with. and it's hard to tell who are the police and the protesters and the media out here, there's so many media. on this corn there are some more but it seems, don, as there are far fewer protesters out here than other nights. >> stand by because i want to get to cnn's brian todd. you see the officers are moving in. >> reporter: okay, don, don, we are being moved by this fay lanks of police officers. >> brian -- >> reporter: yes, don. we're being. okay.

>> meadif you're not media, please move to the side. we're moving the media. please move to the side. >> reporter: okay. so they're asking the media and everyone to move to the side. we saw the police commissioner out there just moments ago and our brian todd is out there. not to cut you off but i wanted to hear what they were telling the people still out there. >> reporter: no problem, don, didn't mean to talk over you. what just happened is

commissioner is out here basically commanding this. he basically came out and ordered his commanders to get the media out of the intersection and then we see this long three rows deep of a police officers lining up and then they start coming towards us as we saw. i asked the commissioner just before this happened if he could come talk to us and he said no i'm doing work here. didn't want to do it. so he's working the scene and trying to move the media out of the intersection. we're doing it but if we are, then some of the protesters come in and voice their displeasure as they are here but they are trying to move people out. they and the police are trying to work together and you have a little bit of agitation, trying to get a rise out of the police but it's basically peaceful. the police will advance a few

feet and then pull back. you have these local volunteers with the bull horn. >> as long as they see you guys they're going to keep talking. i need you guys to stop. >> reporter: i believe she's talking to the mead you, don, because there are very few residents here ordinary citizens out here at this point. a bit of tension here between the police and media but it's them trying to get us to move to the side. >> so brian, as we're watching the pictures you said there's a bit of tension out here but there to appear to be some people who are out there but citizens, we hear people screaming now in the background and you said that they are trying to agitate the police on

purpose? >> reporter: they -- it's more them trying to basically tease the police and almost make fun of them. one guy jumped in front of them yelling. this other gentleman here is really venting his anger. and because he believes some of the neighborhood volunteers are trying to suppress his voice. he is confronting the police. this is a local leader dr. warren a minister who is trying to talk this man down. >> that's all we want. >> reporter: dr. warren this is one of the men who led this today's protest and is trying to talk the man away from the police. right now this gentleman is having none of it but backing off a little.

>> all right. all most 20 minutes into the mandatory curfew tonight in baltimore maryland and you're witnessing some of the citizens upset feeling like their voices aren't being heard and they're yelling at police and you have community leaders and that's what you're looking at on the left of your screen and community leaders trying to get them to comply with this curfew and it appears to be a bit more of a struggle than it was last night. of course the first night people stayed out longer than curfew but only 10 people were arrested on that night. i want to get to cnn's chris cuomo also out in the crowd. are you witnessing any similar situation where you're standing? >> reporter: yeah, we're actually behind them. and the commissioner is literally on the left and he's

calling the shots from back here and he's been telling his officers be easy be easy. they grabbed this man with -- >> stand by we're going to brian. >> you apprehended that man? why was he arrested? >> reporter: they apprehended him -- he was walking slowly and they came up behind him and they invepped him and took him the back there and apprehended them. as they were pushing us forward, so he has been basically been evaporated into the that wall of police and been taken away. >> and you're looking at that on the right hand side of your screen, we have that man being taken into custody. continue, brian. >> reporter: i'm not sure exactly what -- i'm sorry, don, i don't know where the man is.

there was a rush of police that went to your left my left i don't know where they took him over here. i don't believe they did. oh there he is. i see him back there. jordan back over here. we may be pushed back. >> he's on our screen brian. >> reporter: he is behind this line of police officers. all right. we're being very aggressive police officer telling us to get out of the way. so, don, they have pushed -- >> all right, brian, stand by. chris cuomo, go ahead. >> reporter: to be fair the media is blocking the intersection, the police above and in front asking you not to block the intersection and the police, the media are standing

in the middle of the intersection and that's what the helicopter said was don't be in the middle of the intersection. so you're going to create a little bit of friction. so we wanted to let you know what happens when someone gets arrested. they take the person drag them back and process them as being in custody but the commissioner himself is here calling the shots. we've heard him giving instructions saying go easy on this and we heard him giving an instruction saying they have to move and it's always a little bit of the balance of doing our job. you don't want to be the problem you want to cover what is the problem. the media is on the other side and has been chased out of the intersection and it's at a stand still as the officers are assessing who here is not supposed to be here don. >> and i'm glad i can see you're

on the sidewalk complying with what the police officers are telling you and we're glad that you're doing that. we hope our other correspondents are doing that as well. brian todd was out there and happened to be caught up in the middle of it but if they tell you to get out of the street regardless if you're media, you get out of the street. i want to bring in a former chief spokes person for the baltimore police and crisis expert and sunny joining us this evening. what do you make of it? it appear as big part of the problem is the media not complying. >> let's face it every single day this curfew has worked -- >> you have people who don't want to. >> and perhaps they're trying to make a statement and they are being civilly disobeadiant and wanted to be arrested but the

police have shown tremendous restraint and what they've been doing has been working. >> the fact of the matter is it's not a secret 10:00, is a curfew but i've seen the department step back and try to let the community police themselves but at a certain point they will be arrested and taken to jail. >> the police commissioner is out there what does that say to you? >> from a crisis leadership standpoint it's are imert pont to be present, directive and decisive in your action and he must be on the scene to take part in this because the world is watching and i heard over and over and over the meaddia is in the way. and they need to comply otherwise they will interrupt

police operations. and it's 11:15 and you're not supposed to be on the street right. >> and they've been very very clear about the curfew and if they're trying to be civilly disobeadiant, that's a means of protest but it's another thing if you're trying to be troublesome. >> remember the first man who went to jail that first night behind the humvee. >> yes. >> well, we're going to talk to him. a city that is under curfew for the third night in a row. and protests in other cities as well. and a protester, later identified as joseph kent, grabbed and pushed into a humvee. tonight he tells me what happened to him. that's next.

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we are back now live in baltimore city under mandatory curfew for the third night as

protests spread over the death of freddy gray. and an attorney for freddy gray's family joins us with the latest. and what do you make of this preliminary report? they're not sure if it was self inflicted or excessive force? >> i make nothing of it because there's no validity to it yet because they haven't released the final report. i have no way of val dating the information and i know that as of this point, the medical examiner has not rendered a cause of death. so i don't even know how they would get to that point because medical examiner wouldn't do that. >> this autopsy report may go to the medical examiner soon and then now what? >> so what happens is the state's attorney's office is

charge would reviewing everything and she'll take all of that information and her and her staff will review all of that information, decide whether or not charges are warranted and who against, which charges should be lodged and most likely they'll take them to the grand jury for purposes of presenting for an indictment. >> so there was the one stop and another stop that was not recorded. >> correct. >> and then a third stop where they picked up the other prisoner, correct? >> yep. >> so what is the significance of the stop that they never -- >> the significance of it is it's very odd. because when you're the wagon guy, you're usually by yourself. you're picking up whoever has been arrested but when you're driving you're by yourself. so there be no transmissions between him and any other officers, that's highly unusual.

it doesn't happen that way. >> so i'm sure he'll want to talk to the other person in the van. have you been able to determine who that is and have you spoken to him? >> actually he was interviewed i believe on the news. >> we're hearing reports of someone who was interviewed but we're not sure if that was him. we're told he is still locked up. >> all i know is the person identified himself as the person who was in the van and indicated that there was not a lot of noise when he was being transported with freddy gray. thank you for covering the story. >> so we want to go back now to the streets of baltimore. brian when last we saw you there was a confrontation, they were asking mead you to move to the side and you just saw some

police on the move. what's going on? brian todd? >> reporter: yes, i'm sorry, don, i was talking to a local gentleman here who was trying to explain some of the dynamic of the neighborhood. this is much like what they did last night when they formed long lines columns in the middle of the street and parted. and we of course were caught in the middle of that a moment ago and when they were pushing us to the side we did move. we moved to the side and to a corner. we did not want to rile them up anymore. and then the police backed off and moved to the side and they

made a major announcement via helicopter that the streets are open now and they're saying attention members of the media, the streets are open. so if the last comnights are any example of what might happen now, the police officers will hang here for a while on the sidewalk, their vehicles will grad wale clear out and then they will clear out. >> i want everyone to stay with me. we'll be right back with more live coverage from baltimore. i was going to talk to the young man who was swept up by police on the first night of this curfew. combine a safe sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again with aleve pm. thanks for coming. we want a spirited

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back now live in baltimore, the city under a mandatory curfew for the third night in a row and here to discuss us is a former baltimore police commissioner. and a baltimore attorney and cnn

legal analyst, sunny as we look at these live pictures happening in baltimore. you see them in their tactical gear right now. here is what the police spokesman said is that when freddy gray got into the van, inside the van, he could talk and by the time he was taken out, he couldn't talk or couldn't breathe. so what happened while in police custody? ed? >> i couldn't hear for a second. i got you now. i don't know what happened. the wise thing to do would be to wait for the autopsy and the final findings of the state's attorney. i think a lot of the speculation is really fuelling the fire and creating a dangerous situation in an already bad situation in baltimore. i think the questions need to be

asked once the autopsy is released. >> does it change anything whether it happened before or after he was put into that van? >> i don't think so. the responsibility would be the findings of the state's attorney. i think we need to find thrum me's report how he died and where it happened is kind of irrelevant. if it's deemed a homicide you have to wait for the facts. yard like to get the totality of the facts and there's so much speculation and its's creating a bad situation in baltimore. >> this second stop came from a new surveillance camera. so my question is do you think there are other cameras out there? because i don't know if we had

found out about this other location without the other camera. >> that's one of the police should have done is drove the route and people have cameras on their own property and that's why it's are important to figure out what the investigation says and if there are other cameras out there. >> if there is another stop that we never heard about, does that raise suspicion for you? >> in light of everything that's going on it really just raise as great deal of question as to what occurred on that stop that was unreported and unrecorded. so, yes, it does. >> they never learned any of that from the officers they interviewed sunny. >> that's what is troubling to me. we know early on that five out of the six officers did provide statements and so how is it that just about a week and a 1/2 ago

we're learning that the investigators learned about this second stop. that is very very strange. that i think raises at least a specter that officers weren't being as transparent or the officer who did not give a statement is -- >> because correct me if i'm wrong ed because you ran the department, when you're driving is it one person driving the van and if the one person driving the van never reported fit then the others wouldn't know about it. >> if there's one operator then the others wouldn't know about it. >> so that could be your answer. >> why would he injure or how

could he injure himself so badly that he caused all of these injuries to his voice box and on and on and on. >> that doesn't really make sense. there would have to be a significant amount of force for someone to sustain that kind of injury and that someone couldn't self sustain that kind of injury and that's i think what most people are troubled by is that the argument that somehow freddy gray severed his own spine. does that really make a lot of sense? >> if freddy gray suffered some kind of seizure because this report, what it's saying is that it's consistent with the bolt in the back of a police van. if he suffers some ss some sort of seizure, is it possible he sustained those type of injuries back there because he's unaccompanied and not strapped

into the seat? >> i'm not going to speck ylts as to what happens in the back but there is the large stone planter that he is actually lifted from and i wonder if something happened there because it looked like he was being injured as he was put into the back of the van and i wonder if he was banging for assistance or trying to hurt himself, if he had already hurt himself in the struggle because that was a big stone and when they lifted him up then he looked like he wasn't steady then. >> brian. >> reporter: we are out here just off the north avenue -- actually pennsylvania and you can see there's a semi truck. and what we've been told is they found a body inside that truck.

it's an open investigation right now. not signature foul play is involved. and they actually removed the body from that front calf. you can see the officers are right here and in fact they don't want to us get any closer to this van as they do this investigation. but they're checking to see how this man or woman died inside the truck. we have no kind of identify confirmed but homicide investigators are on the scene as we speak. this is a block away from the cvs. >> okay. so ryan this is you said north and pen here? >> yes. >> and an industrial area -- >> reporter: yes. let me do this for you, don. so, here that's the cvs right there. that's the cvs. so you can see that and as we walk back this direction, you can see this semi truck that's

right here. this semi truck and all this activity over there, that's the homicide investigators and the me's office has been doing the investigation to see -- and they removed a body right before we went live and obviously we're not going to show that and they've been checking all the evidence in this area. not sure how they kbooenew about the body. >> and a body found in truck. ryan young is just a block away or so from the cvs, which is a spot of a lot of looting and cars on fire. but they found a body and removed it a short time ago. homicide detectives are on the scene doing an investigation. a city under curfew for a third night in a row and coming up

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welcome back to our coverage live in baltimore. under a man towerdatory curfew for the third night in a row. the people of baltimore trying to take back their city e. and running back interestfor the baltimore ravens. good to ishave you. what have you been think as you watch ninety-firstfirst the riots and then the community response? >> it was tough to watch when you saw the riots and locations downtown, it was tough to see people hurt and responding that way. but again to see how the community responded to show that that was only a few people acting out that way and most people wanted the peaceful route and show the people coming out

united as one front and one voice was pretty special to see the rest of the day. >> you know you and other players came today to talk to the kids and listen to them at local schools. what do you say to these kids and how do they respond? >> well we just wanted to go out and encourage them let them know that they matter that we're here for them that we stand with them. we know that they are've been through a lot and been hurting for a long time and we want to let them know that we care. i think even talking to some of the kids they don't feel like a lot of people care about them or that they matter. so we want to let them know, we're here for them and we believe in them. >> so ray lewis has been telling protesters to go home and today the former raven spoke

at a high school. i want to take a listen and then we'll talk about it. >> we don't wayne war with war. everybody loses in a war. if we want to do something, march -- >> you don't win wars with war. do you think that kind of message is getting through to the teenagers who are really so angry about this situation? >> i think that any time you can get a positive leader like ray, who's been here for a while, this is his city, he's done a lot for the community. just to allow him to go out and share and speak his heart to the kids i think it means a lot. i think it was receptive.

you can see pictures of him embracing some of the kids and them embracing him. i went to another school today and talked to him. the kids they just want to know that even after this event has gone away that people are still going to be here for them and that just lets me know that they really need somebody who's going to build a relationship with them and really let them know that hey, once again you matter and we care about you. >> you know even you hit the big time. ray lewis made it to the big time and not everybody can do that not even the best people can become a major league player on any sport and you have to gauge what your talents are and maybe take them in other areas. so what lessons can they learn from sports figures? because not everybody is going to be a sports star. >> right. from athletes you can learn a lot. one thing, you can see whatethic.

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11:00 p.m. on the nose here in baltimore, maryland our breaking news. this city is under a mandatory curfew until 5:00 a.m. it is the third night in a row. it is illegal for people to be out on the streets. so far, it appears to be working. the uneasy peace is holding. and with anger and tensions