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overnight several arrests in baltimore. people upset about the curfew. the question this morning is will there be one again tonight? the family of another black man who died at the hands of police are calling possess justice again. eric garner's family says they want something doing like what they see in baltimore. a developing story for you right now. numerous people arrested in north korea including a new york student. we have a live report for you coming up. we wish you a good morning. thank you for spending time with us here. i'm christi paul. my colleague victor blackwell is
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live in baltimore this morning. his hometown, by the way. good morning, victor. >> good morning. my hometown, indeed. a lot of people are asking here will there be a curfew again tonight? people across the city want to know, especially business owners. many are not happy that, once again, last night people were told to go home at 10:00 p.m. listen. >> what do we want? >> justice. >> when do we want it? >> now. >> what do we want? >> justice. >> when do we want it? >> justice. >> reporter: there were lots of warnings from police driving by. also from the cops in the helicopters saying go home now, you're in violation of this curfew. but the protesters some of them were arrested after refusing to obey that citywide curfew. according to a cnn team who were out with the protesters watching everything that was happening, at one point, people released pepper spray at some demonstrators got out of hand and calls to drop that curfew is
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getting louder. officials say the people need to be patient. >> the issue of keeping the curfew in place is something that was our decision to make that, keep it that way, it was our policy that we set in place. we continue to support that. we just ask for patience as we move forward and continue to move in a safer direction for a safer city. >> my focus is ensuring we keep everything in a safe manner and we, the military, will pull out in the same manner that we came in which is very calm and i want to pull out very calm. >> the governor of maryland, larry hogan, is calling for a sta statewide day of prayer and peace today and talk about that in a moment. while the majority of the protesters were peaceful and we have to say, most the day, there was a celebratory side of the protest, there were a few tense moment after the 10:00 p.m. curfew went into effect.
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>> reporter: we are standing on the corner of west north and pennsylvania. there have been several arrests overnight here alone and in other parts of the city. the curfew came at 10:00. some people, most people in this area decided to go home. there were a handful of people who decided not to and they were arrested. a witnebit of a dramatic scene arrested lying on the ground and dragged from one point to the other. it also appeared that he had ingested perhaps some pepper spray and was having difficulties with that and they ended up taking him away after arresting him and putting him into an ambulance and taking him for medical attention. most of the other protesters who were arrested or those who decided to defy the curfew have been taken in without major incident. the last person we saw a young lady who says she was arrested down the street didn't want to get into the van. that went on for a bit of time but now they have taken her in as well. we now now there are at least a half dozen arrests here and
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there were arrests in other parts of the city as well. back to you guys. >> reporter: so there are the residents, business leaders, but also baltimore community leaders calling for an end to the curfew. and to trust that people will keep the peace. let's bring in cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes to talk about this. tom, there are some people, and we have discussed this, who are here protesting what they call a police state, who are here to protest the curfew itself. is the curfew doing more harm than good? >> i don't think so. i think the fact that you've had peace here and no more property damage and serious injury to anyone, including the police and firefighters, you know, the last several days, i think it's shown that it's worked and worked well considering. even yesterday, we had several thousand people out here demonstrating and having basically a rally right here in this park where we are standing. the fact there is a handful later on at 10:00 when the curfew goes on, i think it was
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fairly calm. you're always going to have a handful no matter what the situation is. i think it was the best that could have been expected the last couple of nights. >> we will expect an announcement on this decision if the curfew will go into effect again tonight. i want to talk about some reporting from "the baltimore sun" that takes us into the baltimore police department's investigation of freddie gray's death. they are reporting that 30 members from the department, at least 30 members, including members from the crime lab, homicide, the force investigation team, internal affairs, the automobile crash team were involved in trying to determine how he suffered these injuries. they had 145 tasks to get through. is that what you would expected, or even a larger, a longer process? >> no. . the process will take longer and it's not completed and nobody expected it to be completed, but you have an unprecedented number of resources devoted to this. the commissioner announced he
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would have 50 detectives assigned to and it state's attorney's office has its own team of investigates, usually retired police officers who have also investigative experience under the control of moseby. if you read the article, special technicians mapping to where the cameras are to the stop owners and say do you have something that matters to this investigation? that's how they discovered video coverage later. they may still keep discovering other cameras they don't know about and, in some cases, the shop owners may not know what they have on video because, you know, their cameras are focused out on the street, some inside the shop. they might know if something happened in their shop. >> look in the background? >> they wouldn't know the traffic pattern going by day after day. >> i think one thing we have to talk about here, tom, the police set this deadline of may 1st to
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hand over their information to the state's attorney official and did it a day early. according to the report it was not complete and not answer the central question how he got these injuries. how much did public pressure play into setting that deadline and doing it a day early, even though the question hadn't been answered? >> no question, public pressure, the protest and even the riot that occurred last monday night. i think all of those things played into wanting to issue some preliminary report and he did refer to it initially we are giving it a preliminary report to the prosecutor's office and not the definitive final. at the time even the medical examiner report had not gone over. but even there, there is going to be questions. i think right through the prosecution there is going to be questions. another issue is that don't forget, surgeons worked on freddie gray at the hospital and, in essence, his body became a crime scene but not for a week. that means that could also affect -- they have to know from
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the surgeons and whatever video they took to see what damage did they find when they started their surgery because they may have inflicted more damage just by trying to save him. >> lots of questions still to be answered. we will talk throughout the morning, tom. thank you so much. a church service will be held asking for a statewide day of prayer and peace. it's been not just in baltimore but across the state and the rally based on prayer and peace for this afternoon for city hall. i want to talk about this with cnn correspondent renee marsh. we know there has been a considerable amount of conversation about bringing the community together. we have seen for the last couple of days, celebrations. we heard music. we saw dancing even in the streets. today, a more sober approach to this event. >> reporter: right. as you mentioned, you were talking about the curfew. that's a coin that people are pretty are upset about and want
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that to go away. the militarized state of balm, as some people have told me, they don't want to see that presence any more and it's time for it to go. all that said, the tone today that we expect to see as thousands more are going to take to the streets to march in another rally today is a different tone, a very religious tone. we know religious leaders are going to get together and they are going to be marching. speaking about peace and speaking about getting the message through but through religious means and that will happen today, victor. a large peaceful protest in downtown baltimore with the feeling a small victory had been accomplished. thousands gathered, pushing for change and applauding the prosecutor who brought the charges against six baltimore police officers in freddie gray's death. >> let's give a real shout-out to marilyn mosby who showed
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america how you go about this process and trust her! trust her! >> we are not thugs. we want to be heard and, right now, i'm standing up here to be heard. >> reporter: kevin moore, the man who helped spread the word of gray's arrest nationwide with his amateur video, told cnn he was overcome with emotion after the charges were announced. >> i cried. my natural instinct was to cry. i couldn't believe it. it was surreal. >> reporter: why did you cry? >> because -- and it's a shame, right, that it took to many people to come to god -- to come together and unify because my friend freddie died. i cried because i feel like i finally may have made a change in the world. >> reporter: as the city works to recover from last week's riots, the mayor helped the church hand out food to people and having a hard time finding the basics because businesses were looted. >> it's amazing the way the community has come together in
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our darkest days, i think there is a bright light that is shining through and that is the spirit of our community. people are really coming together in amazing ways and i just hope it continues as we heal our city and we work toward rebuildi rebuilding. >> reporter: so this rally that we have been talking about here, i was told by the reverend jamaal bryant who is very much a part of this he is expecting hundreds of clergy and hundreds of thousands to take to the streets today. >> we will cover that live. rene march be, thank you so much. the question what can we expect in the coming days and weeks for those six officers charged in the freddie gray case? we will find out. this is pretty interesting. the new length that baltimore officers are willing to go in order to protect themselves. cnn was there to see it and we are going to show you the video next.
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it is set to be a big week for the six baltimore officers charged in the death of freddie gray. this is coming as cops patrolling the streets are staying cautious in the new developments in this case. cnn's ryan young was there as our cameras were rolling. look at what they found. >> the officers, obviously, dealing with a lot of people complaining about how they are treated, have decide to do use their own video equipment to film each person who is being arrested. there's a gentleman there with a white hat on, it looks like from here, and he has a small hand camera and every time the officers get ready to load someone in the back of this van, he takes a video picture it looks like of their face as he is backing up and he takes a full body shot and they are
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basically cataloging each person as they are being put in the van. i'm sure they are doing this so they can show the custody and have fact that no one was injured as they are being put in the van. >> reporter: you see there that officers are taking extra precautions after the arrests and charges filed against those six officers. we have got with us joey jackson. let's talk about this week ahead. what are we going to see as we move through the next few days? >> i think what the attorneys want to do for the officers they want to gather all of the information so they could prepare the defense. i think the prosecution certainly still gathering information. i think the time line is going to be critical, victor. i think the the release of the autopsy report ultimate in terms of the body. any toxicology issues, of course, the defense attorneys are going to want to gather and i think you're going to see, you know, defense attorneys start making challenges on the information that is presented to the public. >> so if you were hired by one of these officers, what would
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the defense be? how would you craft it and where would you start? >> every one of the single officers is charged with different things. there is, obviously, consistency. the officers who went and tackled and got him initially, that false imprisonment charge and the driver who is charged with the second-degree murder. it looks like the state's attorney looked at the specific conduct of each and every officer to decide what is the fact to charge therm. you want to know what conduct, if any, did your officer engage in. i think you're going to hear and see from the defense attorneys that near presence, meaning merely being there in and of itself doesn't constitute a crime. so it's going to be important for the prosecution to establish did they specifically, that is, the officers, neglect and know about the medical condition of freddie gray? and, you know, if they didn't know about it, then, of course, the liability is less. but if they did, and ignored it, that's another store. the defense wants to know what
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was my client's conduct in each and every turn of the stop that they made when he was in that van. >> from the state's attorney office what is next for her and that investigation? >> you know there are claims for her to recuse herself and calls for a special prosecutor to be appointed. there was a donation to your campaign that was represented by the gray family. that not enough. the fact her husband is a kouns sillman is not enough. i think she will stay on the case and continue to investigate. nothing precludes the defense team from engaging in their own independent investigation to they will get and secure the information they need to defend their clients. >> reporter: we have been telling people all week, this is the start of a process and could be a quite lengthy process. >> it's big. remember, charges now you have to go into the indictment phase and that has to be, you know, a grand jury has to decide, a, is there probable cause to believe that a crime was committed? and, b, that these officers committed it. i think once you see an
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indictment if there is an indictment and certainly it appears there is likely there will be, there will be a lot of challenges by the attorneys in terms of the information they gather and what their client's conduct did and does it constitute a crime. certainly the prosecution believes it does. >> thank you for helping us understand all of this. we will talk to joey more in the next half hour what we can expect the next week and several months as this case continues. coming up, we will talk to joey about the similarities also between the deaths of eric garner in new york and freddie gray, and whether those new calls to reopen the garner case by his family will actually be heard. christi? >> thank you, victor. great conversations there. another big story we are keeping an eye on for you this morning. reports that north korea has detained a new york university student and cnn gets exclusive access to two other men being held by pyongyang right now.
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their businesses, their jobs as well and, at one point, police you see in the video we are about to show you used pep remember spray on a man. he was being arrested here and he was dragged at one point but taken to a hospital for medical attention. the question this morning -- will there be another curfew tonight? we will get an announcement about that probably mid afternoon. overall, a calm day across baltimore. hundreds turned out in the streets to rally peacefully. there was a lot of music and dancing. a celebratory environment. after the announcement of the six officers charged with the death of freddie gray. >> all day, all day, we will fight for freddie gray. all night, all day, we will fight for freddie gray. >> reporter: protesters also gathered outside of city hall. meanwhile, many of the community want officials to drop the curfew, as we said, but official say people need to be patient. . with all of the attention here
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in baltimore, the family of eric garner is now renewing their call for justice. the 43-year-old man died while being held down by police last summer. garner's widow and his mother noting the similarities between his death and the death of freddie gray. sarah ganam takes a look at the cases. >> reporter: the arrest of six baltimore police officers in freddie gray's death has renewed calls for justice for eric garner, the 43rd-year-old father who died after apparently placed in an apparent choke hold by an nypd. garner spoke about the similarities between her husband's last moments and gray's. >> the same way the man was screaming for medical attention and they refused to get it or
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delayed getting it was the same way that my husband was screaming, "i can't breathe," and they did not let the ems workers do what they needed to do for my husband to survive that incident. >> reporter: the grand jury's decision not to indict the officers involved sparked huge demonstrations in new york and reignited a national conversation on police brutality continues. in both cases, paramedics were called too late, but law enforcement analysts and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes says it's hard to criticize officers for not immediately calling for help. >> well, the problem is and having made many, many arrests when i was a street cop myself before joining the fbi, is that that is kind of common that you hear people being arrested that are resisting in any way say they can't breathe or they can't walk or, you know, claiming ailments that they don't really have. >> reporter: in garner's case, the department of justice is currently investigating civil
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rights violations. his family called for justice in a press conference on saturday. >> people in baltimore, south carolina, their prosecutor did the right thing and that is what we need. we need someone to step up and do the right thing. >> it's been ten months and there has been nothing done to these police officers in regards eric garner and i'm happy for the other families that they are getting justice, but we need justice here in new york for eric garner. >> reporter: but the difference between the two cases make it hard to draw comparisons. >> in the garner case, garner's resisting is lawful arrest. if he would have complied, he would still be alive today and bad things wouldn't happen from the wrestling match they had on the sidewalk. in the gray case, it turns out they even the arrest itself was completely unlawful and everything bad happens to him afterward but he shouldn't have been in police custody for anything else bad to happen. >> reporter: regardless of the
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outcome of garner's case, protesters here believe his death added to the national conversation of police brutality, even though justice for freddie gray may not mean justice for eric garner. >> reporter: of course, it's hard to compare cases but protesters here told me when they heard that freddie gray said something along the lines of "i can't breathe," just like eric garner, that gave them renewed hope that the doj investigation may lead to some charges in the case of eric garner. victor? >> sarah ganim, thank you so much. joey jackson is back with us. is there anything that can happen in the garner case now that this grand jury decided not to indict, is there anything that can happen? >> two things that could happen, victor. one the family and certainly the community continue to press for the district attorney to represent the case but unlyle the district attorney could would do that. it's their decision to make but
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the second issue if you get the federal government perhaps to level and move forward with the federal matter. now, it's a harder standard and we have talked about this before because from a federal perspective, you have to prove evilness, wickedness in respect to the civil right and not to use force against you. it's what the federal government wants to do in terms of moving forward in that case. >> let's talk about the movement of the freddie gray case from "the baltimore sun." they were granted exclusive access to the police department's investigation. they reported that the police department found that one of its officers said that freddie gray had a case of jailitis, a fake illness that -- inferring he didn't want to go back to jail and he was faking all of these ills. >> the problem with that, victor, is that certain people are not qualified to make certain assumptions. i don't know or from a legal perspective, if someone is faking it. it's not my call to make.
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police officers certainly don't know if someone is faking it so it's always better to error on the side of safety. it's a judgment call but you're not a medic, you don't know. if somebody is ailing you should take any steps you can to assist them. >> it speaks to the call for the medical support, that medical help that he did not get. >> exactly. in this case, we are seeing that is huge. in the case here with freddie gray what the state's attorney is saying that you deliberately ignored his request and you were so negligent, that is so careless and, you know, in one case, so deprayed from doing it cause echarging you with manslaughter or second-degree murder. >> joey jackson, stick around throughout the morning. >> sure. coming up in a few minutes, we will look closer at the powerful women here in baltimore. you have the mayor of the city. the state's attorney. also the head of the national guard here trying to maintain calm and order so we will have that for you come up in a moment. looking forward to it. thank you, victor. we have a cnn exclusive we want to share with you today.
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this is coming as cnn is being given exclusive access to two other south koreans held in north korea. north korea tends they are spies. will ripley joins us. what do you know about the student that is being held? >> reporter: well, we arrived here in pyongyang yesterday, christi. when we got into the car the man spoke to us about this. a 20-year-old nyu student a united states resident with a green card, we are told they will work on giving us access to this young man but they are not making any promises and we wouldn't reveal any other information other than what is being reported in state media so we have very little to go on and we don't know if we are able to speak to this young man.
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as we see in north korea and with these two other on south korean spies, in an incident we were often told we were going to an interview and we walk in the room and it begins. >> reporter: you said we don't know much about the student but do we know if the student is with his family in south korea or do we know why he was there? >> reporter: we don't know at all why the student crossed into north korea. allegedly illegally. again, being he is a south korean resident, we believe they are in south korean and don't think they have had any contact with him yet. >> let's talk about the two south korean who are accused of being spies. what did they tell you? >> reporter: it is fascinating. one is a business man and the other is a missionary. kim kukay and ku jill their
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arrests were announced by the north korean government last month. they deny these men are spies, if what they are telling us is accurate that it paints an interesting picture of how south korea's nis operates. these men claim they were both working in china. one is a missionary. the other is a businessman. they were approached and recruited by the south korean government to cross illegally into north korea and gather intelligence. also accused of distributing religio religious propaganda and trying to steal sensitive materials and information. what struck me is these are two men, both middle-aged with no previous spy training, espionage experience who claim they were brought in by the south korean government and tasked with very serious intelligence operations, including gathering intel on kim jong-un and trying to steal sensitive government information. i asked him why they would be
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paid? one man says over the course of nine years, he was paid $500,000 to do this. he said other people are like me and he told me they are being influenced not only by the south korean government but the americans as well. i asked him if he had ever had any direct communication with anybody from the united states. ed, no. he dealt through an intermediary. concept activism and outright denials on the south korean government if the north korea are accusing them of being but fascinating discussion and we will get the video as soon as we can and you will hear what they had to say. >> will ripley, thank you very much. the new faces of baltimore, its city's mayor and state attorney and head of the military are all african-american and they are women. what they want to achieve for
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welcome back to "new day sunday." i'm victor blackwell live in baltimore. the death of freddie dane and continued fallout has thrust three women into the city's spotlight. the mayor and state's attorney and the head of the maryland national guard. cnn's stephanie elam takes a look at these three women and tell us what they want for baltimore. >> reporter: this may the popular image of a powerful woman in baltimore. but the real battle for peace, justice, and civil rights is being waged by these women. >> if, with the nation watching, three black women at three different levels can't get
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justice and healing for this community, you tell me where we are going to get it. >> reporter: that's right. the mayor, the state's attorney and head of maryland's military are all black women. >> i love this city and i know we can be better than what we have seen. >> reporter: perhaps the face of baltimore politics, stephanie rawlings-blake is the city ace mayor and walked away with 90% of the general vote in 2011 to win hearse first time and a baltimore native and first elected to the city council when she was only 25 years eneled the youngest to be elected to the baltimore's city council. she is married and has a daughter and a graduate of harvard. >> i heard your call for no justice, no peace. your peace is sincerely needed as i work to deliver justice on
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pr behalf of this young man. >> reporter: entering the spotlight, marilyn mosby. the 35-year-old is baltimore's newly elected state's attorney and the one to make the call to charge six police officers in the death of freddie gray. mosbi was the first in her family to earn a college degree and graduating with honors from tuskegee university and from boston college law school. she then joyed the baltimore state attorney's office before becoming a prosecutor and raised in inner city boston, mosby said she learned the value of public service from her grandfather. >> he was a founding member of the black police organization in massachusetts. he was a police officer. my uncles were police officers. my mother was, my father was. >> reporter: despite criticism from the police union for what it calls a rush to press charges, mosby is sympathetic to officers called to duty. >> i understand the time, the commitment, the sacrifice that these police officers make and i'm not saying, in particularly with this case, those officers
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that you serve there their authority and you have to hold them accountable because it does a disservice to the hard working police officers. >> reporter: she has two daughters with her husband baltimore city council mi nick mosby. when asked if it was a conflict of interest. >> i withhold the law. he makes the laws and i will prosecute any case within my jurisdiction. >> i did not have any -- any racial issues kind of coming through all of my career. i would have to say that it's been more about me being a female versus, you know, being a male. >> reporter: linda singh is the first black person and the first woman to hold the post and she is also a member of the governor's cabinet. >> i just hope that we remember that trying to change culture, trying to change habits, does
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not happen overnight. >> reporter: a high school dropout and a run-away, singh went on to graduate from college and earn two master's degrees and receive a bronze star. the 50-year-old maryland native is medicare with two daughters. >> i have kind of grown up in the maryland national guard and it's allowing me to be able to put my fingerprint on something and hopefully to leave a legacy and to give people some type of hope. >> reporter: watching closely, the first black female attorney general of the united states who took office just as the protests intensified. all powerful black women whose legacy may forever be tied to this moment in baltimore's history. stephanie elam, cnn. >> stephanie, thank you so much. next hour, i'll talk to marcy johnson, baltimore public defender, about the conditions in which those who were arrested were locked up. here is what she says in her facebook post just to look ahead. the holding cells are 10x10 with
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one open sink and toilet. there are no beds, no blankets, no pillows. the cells were designed to hold people a few hours, not a few days. so we will talk more about that and we will hear what she is doing to help. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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edging toward the 7:00 hour here. i want to share with you some of the stories that are developing this morning. first of all, floyd "money" mayweather did it. undefeated boxing champ defeated manny pacquiao last night. mayweather landed 148 punches en route to the 12-round unanimous decision. the 38-year-old who did not just cement his place as one of the greatest fighters of all time,
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banked a record $180 million payday. a come-from-behind win for american pharoah. the highly touted favorite won by one length at churchill downs in louisville. britain's newest princess is resting comfortable at home in kensington palace after make ago world debut yesterday. one last thing -- her name! among the top pick? charlotte, alice, or olivia. we are still waiting to find out! we have got so much more ahead on the next hour of your "new day" which starts right now. thank you for joining us. baltimore has had enough of the curfew and a lot of residents want it to be lifted is what they are saying. police make more arrests,
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meanwhile, while trying to get everyone off the streets and once arrested, crowded conditions. lack of water, using bread as pillows and that is what one public defender says protesters are dealing with when they are taken to jail. listen to this. 18 st. louis mothers are told their babies died in childbirth. now the possibility that those babies might actually be alive. can you imagine? we are going to get into that in a bit. we wish you a very good morning on this sunday. i'm christi paul. good morning, victor. >> good morning. i'm victor blackwell here in baltimore. the governor larry hogan is calling today for a day of prayer and peace, as hundreds of protesters continue to rally over the death of freddie gray. most of them were peaceful, celebratory even. but overnight, police made several arrests after a small

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