attack referring to the dead gunman as al kalif of brothers or warriors of the caliphate they hope to create. >> does that mean isis ordered the attack or were the gunmen lone wolf sympathizers of the islamic state? we begin with senior international correspondent nick paton walsh live in beirut. nick. >> at this stage we don't have in this claim of responsibility from isis any telling key details that would suggest they had foreknowledge or intimate knowledge of the attack in texas. what we do have is a message, quite a short one, broadcast on the radio station said to be mostly heard in the north iraqi town of mosul. and it says the two brothers were killed in an exchange of fire with a security guard that was injured in that exchange. very little else except for attempt by isis to be as menacing as they can in which they say there will be future attacks that will be harsher and

worse against the defenders of the cross, the united states and telling at the end the future is just around the corner. that may well be isis bid suggests future such attacks can now follow. as i say, there was a tweet just ahead of the attack suggesting these gunmen were loyal to isis. but now we have isis trying to latch themselves onto that. at this stage though investigators frantically combing through evidence to workout if there was a chain of command or isis simply trying to get credibility, use out of this attempt of chilling attack for using social media around this statement. back to you. >> nick thank you very much. question now is could this have been stopped before it happened? we now know one of the gunmen was known to the fbi for years. isis saying they're behind the attack. did anyone know or suspect these men had anything to do with the group? cnn's kyung lah live.

>> reporter: investigators here are this morning poring through the evidence they have collected and seized from the apartment that these two men shared here in phoenix. and they are trying to answer that very question. in addition to how close, if at all, were these two men to isis. the fbi filled a van with evidence from the gunmen's phoenix apartment. investigators scrubbing all items hoping to piece together a timeline of this plot. neighbors in their apartment complex saw nothing outwardly alarming from the two roommates except one of the men, elton simpson, put his car up for sale. >> i'm getting goose bumps thinking about it right now. >> reporter: ariel. >> you're giving him money to go plot something. >> reporter: but he changed his mind instead driving it to texas. shortly before opening fire simpson tweeted an oath of allegiance a pseudonym for the leader of isis. but the first clues date back to

a 2011 arrest talking to an fbi informant over years court records show he want today go to somalia to fight recorded on wiretaps saying if you get shot or killed it's heaven b straight away. heaven that's what we here for so why not take that route? the, nadir soofi was the other gunman. when his parents divorced he moved to pakistan with his father where he attended a prestigious school in islamabad. >> when that happens, it just shocks you. you know how good do you know these people? that's a question people ask themselves. >> reporter: a question elton simpson's family is also asking. in a statement released monday night they write, just like everyone in our beautiful country we are struggling to

understand how this could happen. you can hear that confusion just in that statement from the family. and it's certainly something that we're hearing across phoenix today. a lot of confusion for the people who knew these two men, alisyn because a lot of them just didn't see the violence coming. alisyn. >> absolutely. we can imagine how confusing that is. kyung lah, thanks so much. let's bring in our counterterrorism analyst. and tom fuentes, cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director. gentlemen, thanks so much. nice to see you this morning on "new day." tom, how can we determine if these were just two lone wolf sympathizers or if they got direct orders from isis? >> well alisyn you know they're going through all their material now, their e-mail traffic to see if there was any kind of command and control that came down and said go to this event and kill people. that will take some time. when they subpoena phone records

that takes a few days to get those records from the phone providers, internet service providers. it's going to take a few days to see just how much connection they actually had to it. in terms of isis deploying them i think the fact that it was such a feeble attack would be a pretty good indicator they had no really serious training or assistance in trying to pull this off. >> right. so david, on one side this was a failed attack. so it's not a feather in the cap of isis yet on the other hand this would be the first isis attack on u.s. soil. >> or at least the first attack that isis has specifically claimed. there are at least two other attacks where the attackers seemed to have been at least in part inspired by isis. one of them was the axe attack that occurred in new york city just after the two back-to-back days in canada in which canadian military personnel were attacked. and the attacker there was a convert to islam who clearly had sympathies for isis shown by social media postings. the other attack in which isis

sympathies was the oklahoma case in which a man beheaded a co-worker. it wasn't just a pure terrorist attack but also a work dispute. he was also someone sympathetic to isis also detailed by social media postings. arguably there are two other cases in which people who inspired by by isis did not claim either of those. >> daveed if they did get orders from isis would you see this as a new frontier? >> if they did get orders that's significant. as tom said they didn't have training. if you look at other pro-isis extremists two things they seem to agree on and two people who clearly knew the attackers before the media said elton simpson was the attacker and before the media got to the fact he tried to go to somalia previously they had originally posted on that. number one, these guys had no weapons training no experience with weapons and number two, they were merely inspired by isis as opposed to directed. but looking at some of the postings to me i get the sense that some people in the isis network likely knew about the

attack before it happened. for example, there's one british man who's based in syria who before the attack occurred first posted something about people trying to take down islam with their mouths. and then secondly said the knives have been sharpened and the streets will run with blood, which indicates he may have had foreknowledge that this attack would occur. >> tom, the fbi and phoenix police both had investigations on elton simpson. and he gave them a lot of fodder it would seem because he was posting online his allegiance. how could this attack happen when he was already under investigation? >> well, he really wasn't under that serious of investigation -- well i shouldn't say that. but he's one of so many thousands, maybe even tens of thousands of people that fall in that category that are putting out, you know tweets and social messages that unless somebody else who reads them reports it there's not enough analysts to monitor all of that kind of

traffic even if they say i'm going to texas to do an attack. somebody has to report that. the fbi and intelligence agencies just aren't tracking the tens of thousands of postings to anything actually but specifically attacks. >> you know tom, i was amazed to read the numbers. that for every one person under surveillance it takes 30 agents. why so many? >> because i ran surveillance squad in chicago for two years. at the time mostly following organized crime figures who were looking out for surveillance. that's what it takes. i had a squad of 30. and to put 24-hour coverage on somebody for a week it took all 30. it was 28 ground agents the rest were pilots airplanes around the clock, they can only be up so many hours at a time agents on the ground that have to you know not bumper lock like you see on television but do a discreet surveillance. very difficult, very resource intensive. and that would be for one person at a time. >> and yet, daveed you say when

you look at elton simpson's profile you see red flags everywhere. like what? >> well a number of red flags including number one he was an open isis sympathizers. number two, he had a previous conviction in a terrorism related case for making a false statement to authorities. number three, in the days before he carried out the attacks he started talking about the bride that you'll have in paradise. and then number four obviously 25 minutes before he carried out the attack he said he was going to do so and hash tagged texas attack. so all those together i think tom has a good point about law enforcement resources. we cannot at this point say it was an intelligence failure, but all of the signs were there. so i think that raising the question of whether a failure occurred is very very fair to do. >> so tom, what's the answer here? should someone who gives off all those red flags somehow go to the top of the heap? >> well on the other hand you know there weren't the type of red flags that really help.

when you have kyung lah's interviews with the head of the mosque neighbors, other people that knew them friends, relatives are doing their postings none of them had a clue. and the fbi with all of the outreach that's what outreach is about, that somebody else hears about something or sees something on a social media postings and notifies the fbi. in this case none of those people -- not that they were hiding it from the fbi. they just didn't see anything. when he came up on the radar originally 2006 he was convicted of lying to the fbi. the judge did not -- gave him three years probation, did not convict him on the terrorist charge himself of going to join al shabaab in somalia. and he's been off of probation now for over a year. so he's -- as i said there are so many people in this category that it's very difficult. and might i add sources of mine at the fbi have told me they haven't recovered yet from sequestration because of the difficulty it takes to hire analysts hire linguists, the time it takes to vet them.

and they have been placed so far behind by sequestration that they really haven't caught up. in particular at analytical level. >> you have both given us good illustrations of why investigations like this are so complicated. tom fuentes, daveed, thanks so much for being on "new day." michaela. okay alisyn i wanted to be arrested. those are the words from a new york university student who illegally entered north korea. he spoke exclusively to cnn unphased by the punishment he could face. so why did he travel there in the first place? cnn's will ripley is in pyongyang with the exclusive interview. will. >> reporter: michaela we didn't know until the evening before that we might have the opportunity to speak with this 21-year-old who until recently was attending nyu. but he says he decided to take a cross country trip from the east coast to the west. and when he couldn't find a job in california he says he had a thought that wouldn't escape his mind.

that thought was to cross illegally into north korea. >> why did you go into north korea? >> well i thought that by my entrance illegally i acknowledge but i thought that some great event could happen. and hopefully that event could have a good effect in the relations between the north and south. >> what kind of great event did you think could happen? >> of course i am not completely sure yet. but i hope that you know i will be able to tell the world how an ordinary college student entered the dprk legally, but however with the generous treatment that the dprk i will be able to return home safely. >> have you spoken to anybody from the south korean government or united states government? >> not yet. >> have you been able to make any phone calls or speak to anybody? >> not yet. >> so this is your first time.

>> uh-huh. >> so what messages would you like to put out about your situation and what people should do to try to get ahold of you? >> well of course i understand my parents and my loved ones are worrying a lot about me. but i would like to say that i'm well. and there's no need to worry because the people here have treated me with the best of humanitarian treatment. i've been fed well and i've slept well and i've been very healthy. i would just like to apologize for creating a lot of worry among my loved ones. >> reporter: joo says he's being held in a room with three different beds and a private bathroom. so certainly not a prison situation, at least not at this point. but he hasn't been told by the north korea government yet what chargings he may face. he also hasn't been able to make any phone calls or any access to outside media. so essentially right now this was his first contact to be able to let the people in his life who care about him know that he

is okay. because he is a south korean citizen, even though he's lived in the u.s. since 2001 south korea will have to handle this. but the problem is they don't have a diplomatic relationship with north korea. so right now in pyongyang even though we've been asking the government what their next move is chris, they really can't tell us. so this young man's vision of a great event has really turned into a huge mess. and really nobody knows what's going to happen next. >> all right. thanks will. back here we do have breaking news out of baltimore. the united states new attorney general loretta lynch is heading to baltimore with a delegation to meet with city officials. meanwhile president obama took to letterman to discuss some of the problems going on there. cnn senior white house correspondent jim acosta joins us with more. letterman, we've gotten used to using late-night to do serious things. here's another opportunity. >> that's right, chris. the obama administration is trying to turn down the heat -- continuing to try to turn down that heat on the already enflamed situation in baltimore.

loretta lynch along with other top justice department officials will be in baltimore later today. and last night on the late show with david letterman president obama urged the country to give the judicial system a chance to sort out the case of the officers involved in the death of freddie gray. here's more of what the president had to say. >> it's important that now that charges have been brought in baltimore that we let due process play itself out. those officers who have been charged, they deserve, you know to be represented and to let the legal system work its way through. i think it's also really important to remember that the overwhelming majority of police officers are doing an outstanding job. >> now, the president is also offering a peek at what he hopes to do after he leaves the white house, and that is to serve as sort of mentor and chief to at-risk young people. the president will do this in part with an organization he

launched in new york yesterday, my brother's keeper will be the next generation of a group he started just in the last couple of years here in the white house as he told a group of teenage boys yesterday he had to grow up without a father but he was able to make it through hard work and the right guidance through people who cared about him. it was an important message and good to see him share that with young people. something, alisyn we'll be seeing the president do right into the years after he leaves here at the white house. >> always interesting to hear his personal story and how he got to become president. jim, thanks so much. john kerry making history in africa becoming the first u.s. secretary of state to visit somalia. he's he will meet with federal and regional leaders as well as civil society leaders and thank african union troops for their efforts to help stabilize somalia. an attorney for hillary clinton says the former secretary of state is ready and willing to testify before congress later this month on the benghazi attacks and her e-mails. but she's rejecting a request by

the u.s. house select mitt committee chairman to appear at two separate hearings. an attorney for clinton says she would answer all lawmakers questions at one session and that there's no basis, logic or precedent for the extra session. we had a very unusual show of emotion as the boston bomber cried in court. not for the victims that he maimed and killed but for his relatives who were flown in from russia to be character witnesses. they're trying to spare his life. of course prosecutors pushing for the death penalty saying the bomber has never shown a shred of remorse. >> that's telling, right? he only cries for the pain he's causing his relatives but not all the victims. >> think of the tears shed by thousands and thousands of people in the wake of boston. well president obama promising to spend the rest of his life helping disadvantaged young men of color as baltimore and other cities try to bridge the divide between citizens and police. some possible solutions ahead. so why can't someone draw a picture of the prophet muhammad?

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too many places in this country black boys and black men, latino boys latino men, they experience being treated differently by law enforcement. and stops and in arrests and in charges and in incarcerations. the statistics are clear, up and down the criminal justice system there's no dispute. >> there's a big dispute about what to do about it though. you have a poll out that says 61% of you says that race is bad. it's the highest poll percentage on that issue since 1992. so what do we do? the president says he's got a program to help young black and hispanic men and it's going to help mentor them and help with this divide between police and the communities that they work. let's weigh-in on this about what the problem is and is this a solution? if not what is one? the author of the creation of

manifesto, black and blue former lapd sergeant cheryl dorsey. is there a problem and what motivates it? >> absolutely. i've coined a term which i like to use which is contempt of cop. when officers become personally involved in a situation and someone doesn't do what they've ordered them to do there's a price to pay. and we've seen it. and too often it's been death. and so what i want to see first and foremost is i want to see officers stop using lethal force as a first resort and use it as a last resort. because that's what we're taught. deadly force is used when you've exhausted every other means, every other tool you're in the fight for your life and the only thing you can do in the immediate defense of life yours or someone else is to use deadly force. we see officers going to it right away. i can't catch you, you won't get out of the street, you won't turn around you won't come here and talk to me for this investigative stop. deadly force. and it shouldn't be that way. >> the contempt of cop phrase is

so interesting. when we've just watched the video, we don't watch with the same eyes as you do but it seems as the police are mad, angry. and you suggest finding a way through psychiatric evaluation or training to just take it down a notch. >> well officers are taught to escalate and deescalate force. i don't know how it's gotten lost in the translation of what they're taught and what they're doing in the field. and so i believe that really truly officers should be re-evaluated psychologically every so often just to make sure their head's on straight. >> that actually makes a lot of sense. we've talked about it in the commercial break between the three of us. the fact you look at the fire department there's training daily for what they have to do. and grant it it's probably every day a more physical job. but the training of a police officer, you say it starts with that kind of approach but something changes along the way. >> well i think you get tainted and you get jaded. if you work with someone who's used to pushing the envelope and they get away with a little thing because it starts off small. they don't start off killing

people. they start off talking to people rough. they start off being aggressive. they start off being abusive, right? and then escalates to something really egregious where we see a loss of life. and then we're wondering, oh my god, how did it get to this. and you look in that officer's package and you see like in the case of michael slager he tased two other people before walter scott and got away with it. the second gentleman he tased who was in his own home and arrested for burglary out of his own home complained the next day and the officer was exonerated. so if there's no consequence for that choice that an officer makes, how do you deter it? >> you know the job very well. you did it for many years and there's a counterargument which is that these people they're dealing with in the streets are less respectful than they used to be. they don't listen to orders. that they resist arrest so much. and that the officers are worried for their own preservation of safety. and they don't get the training that they used to get in terms of physicality. in terms of you know using restraining holds and being able

to fight and that combination winds up making situations where you have a mismatch. >> well if officers aren't receiving the training they need they should speak on it. >> but the demeanor of who you take on -- >> listen that's inherent to law enforcement, okay? so i understand that suspects bad people run from me right? i understand that they're going to be noncooperative right? and so that's inherent to police work. so if you run from me i got two choices. i can either get ready to get some exercise and go after you, right? or let you go. i don't get to kill you because you run. i don't get to kill you because you're a bad guy dealing guns and drugs. i don't get to kill you because you won't come here. that's why we train. that's why we practice. in l.a. we have things called situation simulations where we go into a house where there's domestic violence and you're dealing with an angry combative spouse right? so that you learn how to deal with people who don't come right away who don't stop when you tell them to stop. so that when that thing happens in the real world, what you do is just second nature. you don't have to think about it because you've practiced and you've trained.

and hopefully you're confident and comfortable in what it is you need to do to resolve that situation, escalate deescalate force. >> what do you think about how president obama has been talking about this issue? >> well i like what he's saying. i was joking with someone because i would like to see someone on one of these panels that they put together who will speak in a real way about the problems on the police department. because if you have law enforcement officials on the panel, certainly that's important. but you need someone who's not just talking company talk right? who's going to say something contrary to what everybody else tells. because if you don't admit that there's a problem then there's nothing to fix. i'm here to tell you there's a problem. and i have an idea about how to fix that. so president obama pick me. >> oh i think she just said -- so you think it's fixable. we have about 30 seconds left. you think it's fixable. it's a pivotal time for the law enforcement in this country. >> clearly with all this going on right now it's got the world's attention, right? so i think it's doable. i think it's going to take some

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breaking news isis claiming responsibility for sunday's attempted ambush of the prophet muhammad cartoon contest in texas. one of the two gunmen killed during the attack recently tweeting his allegiance to isis. the fbi says in 2011 elton simpson was convicted of making false statements involving terrorism. his family now apologizing for his actions. the second gunman nadir soofi

spent time in pakistan when he was younger. a new york city officer shot over the weekend has died. he was ambushed along with one of his partners in queens. the man who did it now facing upgraded charges of first-degree murder for killing a police officer. moore's family and friends gathered for prayer service monday night in moore's hometown on long island. our thoughts and prayers are with his loved ones. we are reminded how dangerous it can be to be a police officer. a 21-year-old u.s. college student speaks exclusively with cnn. he admits he entered illegally. he's hoping his presence will heal tensions with the south. he has not spoken to u.s. officials nor his family in new jersey since he was arrested. he doesn't seem worried about the severe consequences he could face. all right. time for cnn money now, business

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responsibility for sunday's attempted ambush at a muhammad art exhibit in texas. that shooting is drawing comparisons to january easter ror attack on french magazine "charlie hebdo" which had a history of posting pictures of the prophet. one man who narrowly missed the attack arrived to work late that fateful day. and he is in new york to accept pens freedom of expression courage awar on behalf of his colleagues. he joins us now in studio. it's a pleasure to meet you under such bizarre and incredible circumstances. we'll talk about your award in a moment. but first of all, we have to ask how all of you are doing? >> we are trying to do the best we can. before the january 7 killing, you know we were quite a small magazine trying to make cartoon and something happened and we became sort of a symbol all over

the world, all the people say "charlie hebdo," don't you remember? >> of course we do. the world over. >> the world over. so it's far beyond earth, you know what i mean. so you have to stay focused. and what you have to say and what you have to write. >> do you feel different? do all of you feel differently? and does the magazine feel differently post january 7th? >> differently because for one sad reason i mean we lost most -- not most but large part of our colleagues who are friends. just not colleagues you know. some cartoonist and some writer. so a lot of people are missing in our columns. so you have to -- we have to find some new writer new cartoonist. but you don't become a cartoonist like that you know? you have to know people. you have to practice. >> sure. >> you have to -- >> it takes time to rebuild after something like that.

i want to ask you in light of what happened in texas over the weekend, we hear about this attack and then two gunmen who planned to attack this muhammad art exhibit there, does it bring about memories? what does it make you feel when you see that kind of thing happening? or almost happening again? >> you know what happened in "charlie hebdo" january 7 we used to say that it was the beginning of something, you know? it's not like a plane crash, for example. >> right. one event, single event. >> it's over. you have to, you know grieve. you have to make a lot of things. but the disaster is behind you. all of us knew that it was a beginning of something. has nothing to do i think, what about to "charlie hebdo." it was clearly sort of anti-islamic you know movement fighting against what

they call the islamization of the u.s. it's absolutely nuts. >> that doesn't feel the same. >> absolutely. >> but at the heart of it -- >> maybe at the heart just because you have some crazy guy, you know attacking some others because they are making cartoon of the prophet and it was a contest. >> what about the notion of freedom of speech? of trying to silence that right to speak and publish freely? >> you don't? >> question of speech freedom of speech allow you to say some very strange thing and maybe things which are you are not agree with you know what i mean. >> were they asking for trouble do you think, with this art exhibit? >> no no i'm not going to say that. maybe they were expecting something, but i think it's impossible to say expecting some trouble. because you put some limits to the freedom of speech and become --

>> i do. >> you have freedom of speech or you don't have. >> there's a little bit of controversy -- first of all, congratulations to you, but there's some controversy about this. six novelists said they're not going to participate, another 145 say they're in disagreement with "charlie hebdo" being honored. what do you think it's being met with some dissension? >> we have two days the same kind of debate in the u.s. it's not specific to the u.s. i mean. first of all, similarly it's okay with me. i am like a lot of people like you, i guess, for the freedom of speech. so i'm not going to stop to say write or don't write. it's not a problem. but maybe there is you know little misunderstanding sort of confusion because this freedom of speech for the principle what

happened is "charlie hebdo" for now is -- the world feels contempt for "charlie hebdo." >> i understand what you mean. it's for the principle. you even have one of your colleagues that has now said he's no longer going to draw cartoons. how do you feel about that? >> no i feel i know him. a guy who draws this now famous cover of what we call the survivor issue on january 15. >> yes. >> but, you know 500 cover from 2005 to 2015 by "charlie hebdo," only seven were about islam. that's worth talking about. it's quite crazy. for him it's an artist he has a new to explore. i don't want to be reduced, you know two or three cartoon made on thousands, you know?

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mike huckabee's in former arkansas governor. he says he wants to be president. that bring the total number of gop candidates to six. huckabee was the last man down against john mccain you may remember in 2008. does he have a chance now? what do we think? >> let's bring in our political correspondent for "new york times" patrick healy and maggie

haberman. maggie what will be different this time around than last time around for huckabee? >> he's actually running very similarly to the way he did last time. he's looking to expand on what he did. he'll be an economic populous but a fiscal hawk and going to appeal to social conservatives. the amazing thing about him is he is a real gifted political performer. so he has still retained this support in iowa. he has not run there in seven years, eight years and yet he still outpolls rick santorum who last won the caucuses in 2012. i think he's going to add a jolt to the race. how committed he is to running remains to be seen. he's sort of gotten used to luxury travel he's a different kind of candidate. it will be interesting to see how he marries those two. >> that's interesting. i remember last time around he was driving around in his taurus with a map. >> maggie and i have done that in iowa before. >> we did that together once.

it didn't sell quite the same way. >> we'd like to know more about that. but, patrick, i worked with mike huckabee at fox for many many years. he's a tremendously likable guy. how does he parlay that against some other candidates like ted cruz who is not known for that? >> it's going to be a challenge. how can he become a face from the past who certainly won the iowa caucuses in 2008 who's got a real base from his years on cable tv, and offer himself as someone who can go up against cruz who is a great order, go up against scott walker who's run right next door who's evangelical christian as well with executive experience who are newer faces. you know he's also got rand paul rick santorum who did well four years ago. it's a much bigger field than it was when he ran against mitt romney and john mccain in 2008. >> they're adding numbers but not necessarily adding depth, right? when you look at the number of candidates they have that could cross over from just the right

side of the republican party and get on everybody's right side, you still only have what? two or three? >> right. you've got cruz santorum -- >> you think cruz can get elected president in the united states? >> cruz might be able to get elected president of iowa. >> oh of iowa -- >> right. they're not going to give you money if they don't think you have a shot long-term. >> the long run that becomes a bigger challenge. >> that's a big issue for huckabee too. the club for growth which is the antitax group and they're a real force especially in republican primaries because they spend money. they're already out with an ad buy tomorrow against mike huckabee essentially describing his tax record in arkansas. they were huge nemesis in '07 and a group donors listen to. >> let's talk about what's going on with hillary clinton and in particular the clintons. as you know there are questions about the clinton foundation and about whether or not they sort of inappropriately took money from foreign donors and countries when she was secretary of state. bill clinton for the first time addressed this yesterday. and one of the first things he

talked about was his book fees. he gets -- i'm sorry, his speaking fees. he gets half a million dollars on one hand it's like hey, good for you. and on the other hand it's something compromised as a result? so here is him addressing that for the first time. >> over the last 15 years i've taken almost no capital gains. to pay my bills and because in the -- >> when working americans look and say $500,000 for a speech? >> why shouldn't everybody -- it's the most independence i can get. i don't -- if i had a business relationship with somebody, they would have a target on their back from the day they did business with me to the end. >> maggie what do you think of that response? >> well the capital gains thing wasn't quite right. one of our colleagues actually looked back at his tax returns and i think it was $371,000 in capital gains. that's not nothing.

in terms of speeches their argument is we came into this without having inherited money. we came into the white house we were not rich. so part of the deal is you sort of get to go make money afterwards. >> isn't that true? >> is being rich a problem if you want to be president now? it really seems to be a shift of the american ideal. used to be we looked at people who were really successful and that's the dream i want to be them some day. >> which is what their argument is. >> they were successful in politics but a lot of times it was inherited wealth. i think the clintons came out of the white house, they had a lot of debts. they hadn't accrued well from over time. >> and they had legal fees from investigations into them which is a big thing, big point of contention. >> and there were a couple ways they could have made some serious money. they could have cashed in gone the corporate board of directors route. she chose to run, you know for senate. she saw a career still ahead of her. what is striking now she's got 15 months ahead of her before

she may become the democratic presidential nominee. what does he do over those times times? who is he giving paid speeches from? >> it's not the money, it's what's being done for the money. that's the question isn't it? that's the conflict question. >> it was that his speaking fees went up dramatically when she was secretary of state. that's essentially where all this comes down to is that period. and i think also since 2008 you have had this massive downturn in people's own personal fortunes. you have had this economic recession. and so i think that he is sort of catching up in terms of how he is talking about wealth. i think the way that people voters want to hear a discussion about wealth i do think has changed and about economics and personal finances has changed. and so i think when he's saying these things you know i have to pay my bills. i think to him that feels very real. the problem is for a lot of voters that feels like an awful lot of money they'll never see. >> it's so interesting because they are self-made. >> they are. >> that's the american dream. yet somehow there's this question about access. was he paid so much because he has access to the secretary of

state? >> maggie says fees went up when hillary was secretary of state. >> has there been -- >> there's not really a quid pro quo. we connect these dots but there's no evidence of any action being taken directly or anything like that. there's just questions about appearances and his thing is you know appearance is whatever doesn't matter. >> part of you has to wonder if the republicans are and critics of the clintons are sort of baiting them to see how angry they can get. because bill and hillary are saying prove it prove it draw the connections. hillary clinton saying no one has ever given me money or given him money in a way that has influenced a change of policy. >> that's right. >> bill clinton when he got in trouble seemed like when his temple temper was flaring or causing dissension in her campaign in 2008. what was striking in that interview is he was definitely getting frustrated with cynthia mcfadden. if they can bring that out even more it's the kind of thing

that can blow up. >> they're going to step into the crucible of heat versus light when hillary testifies before the congressional hearing about what this was and wasn't. they'll get plenty of chances to poke at her. >> patrick, maggie thank you. one programming note cnn's chief international correspondent christiane amanpour will sit down with former president bill clinton and we'll have that interview on "new day" tomorrow. we're following breaking news this morning. and there's a lot of it. so let's get to it. isis claiming responsibility for sunday's attempted ambush in garland, texas. >> both of them had assault rifles. >> one of the two gunmen had been on the fbi's radar for years. >> i am antijihad, i am antisharia. i am concerned that the media whitewashes and scrubs this. >> concern grows as the baltimore city prosecutor moved too quickly. >> she acted too provocatively, when she said i hear you -- >> my job is to seek justice. >> why did you go into north

korea? >> i thought some great event could happen. >> we have a name. >> charlotte elizabeth diana. >> diana is because like it makes you feel like a princess. good morning everyone. welcome to our viewers here around the world and in the u.s. you're watching "new day" and we begin with breaking news for you. up first, isis taking credit for the weekend attack at a prophet muhammad cartoon contest in texas. the terror group referring to the two dead gunmen as their, quote, brothers. >> were they fan boys or under orders from the terrorist organization? cnn has every angle covered. let's begin with nick paton walsh live in beirut. nick. >> chris, that is of course what investigators will be focusing in on. are we talking about a social

media claim before the attacks by one of the gunmen followed up by further social media and a radio statement by isis suggesting this was one of their attacks. or was there actually some intimacy in the planning of this attack on behalf of isis? that's not clear from the statement on radio thought to be broadcast in the northern iraqi city of mosul which isis swept into in the middle of last year. it's sparse frankly in detail. it refers to the two brothers who carried out the attack as soldiers of the caliphate, that's that northern syrian northern iraqi area that isis has self-declared as being their religious state. but it also goes onto refer to how they were killed and injured security guard. information you could easily find in the public domain. but it tries to add a chilling threat on the end to the united states by saying that the future attacks are going to be harsh and worse at the future is just around the corner. unclear what they're referring to but it could be what many

counterterror officials are concerned about and that's a rise in this lone wolf kind of attack. people who aren't necessarily intimately linked with isis many have met them over the internet or even just read their statements taking that branding, pushing it forwards. and after the fact isis who aren't doing too well on the ground where they have strongholds at the moment isis coming forward and trying to latch themselves onto that attack in the united states. alisyn. >> right. that is what investigators are trying to figure out right now, nick. thank you so much for that. one of the two gunmen in texas well-known by the fbi. investigators continuing their search for clues to determine whether these attackers were carrying out orders from isis or acting alone. this is the first time isis is claiming an attack on u.s. soil. cnn's kyung lah is live for us in phoenix where the suspects were living. what have you learned, kyung lah? >> reporter: well alisyn this morning investigators are trying to connect those dots, trying to with renewed effort comb through the material that they have seized out of the apartments here in phoenix. what they are hoping to find if

at all, the connection between these men and isis. the fbi filled a van with evidence from the gunmen's phoenix apartment. investigators scrubbing all items hoping to piece together a timeline of this plot. neighbors in their apartment complex saw nothing outwardly alarming from the two roommates except one of the men, elton simpson, put his car up for sale. >> i'm getting goose bumps thinking about it right now. >> reporter: arial whitlock exchanged texts with simpsons. >> you don't think he's going to plot something and you're giving him money to plot something. >> reporter: but he changed his mind instead driving it to texas. shortly before opening fire simpson tweeted an oath of alee allegiance to a pseudonym. talking to an fbi informant over years court records show simpson wanted to go to somalia to fight, recorded on wiretap

saying if you get shot or you get killed it's heaven straight away. heaven that's what we here for so why not take that route? nadir soofi was the other gunman a pizza shop owner and young father. a pakistani source tells cnn when his parents divorced hi moved to pakistan with his father where he attended a prestigious private school in islamabad. their plan so secret that moss president spent years with both men at services and never saw either as a threat. >> when that happens it just shocks you. no matter how good you know these people that's a question people ask themselves. >> reporter: a question elton simpson's family is also asking. in a statement released monday night they write, just like everyone in our beautiful country we are struggling to understand how this could happen. and you can hear the confusion in that statement. the parents simply not

understanding. and that confusion is something we are hearing across the board from the people who knew these men because they just didn't see the violence coming. chris. >> which is a little hard to understand or at least accept because you had these tweets about wanting to fight in somalia and these other things and yet they say they didn't see it. now everybody knows. so let's bring in republican congressman steve king who joins us this morning from iowa. congressman, always a pleasure to have you on the show. if true this would be the first attack that isis takes credit for on american soil. the significance of that to you? >> well we knew this was coming in some fashion or another. they'd been making these kind of threats. they've said they're going to fly their flag over our white house. they're willing to do suicide attacks about anywhere in the world. and so it was going to happen eventually in the united states. this situation, the event that was going on in garland, texas, if someone would have told me that this happened somewhere in america, i think i could have told you where it was without having been told because of the

high value targets, according to them that were there on that stage and in that building. and they wanted to send a statement that you shall not put any cartoons of muhammad out. they're going -- they're bringing in sharia law into america by intimidation factors driven by isis. >> we'll talk about the event and what makes things better and worse going forward. but do you believe that isis was behind this? have you received any intelligence about it? or do you think these two guys whether people saw it or not were lone wolf types who were just trying to get themselves false glory? >> well right now what we know is that they predicted this in advanced. they've been doing some planning. we don't quite know how long that planning's been going on. and how does isis coordinate? by sometimes just by inspiration and by sending the messages around the world on the internet. so i don't know that you can say isis said go to garland, texas and attack that location and that activity. but they're certainly part of the psychological approach of

this that causes people to be radicalized. >> what do you think about the event is it about free speech or just using that as a cover to poke islam in the eye? >> well first, that's a little bit of a hard question to answer in that if we start down the path of thinking if we know something's going to offend someone we should retreat from that they keep redefining what's offensive until then all of their rules are applied on all of us in our free world and our western civilization. i don't think what they did down there was offensive. i think it was a robust demonstration of freedom of speech. and we have to do that. if a speech is not offensive, it doesn't need to be protected by our first amendment institution. in fact, the keynote speaker spoke in washington, d.c. at four events i planned for him just a week before. and in each one of those events as i recall he spoke about how

glad he is we have the first amendment and how much he wishes they did in western europe. >> why are you boosting wilders for? he said some things that are pretty ugly about islam. there's not breeding any type of cooperation of faiths and moving forward together. what are you supporting him for? why are you inviting him to congress? >> well i've been tracking him for about ten years. and i think that you know he's been unjustly attacked especially in europe. the political correctness, the restraints on our culture and civilization that come from the politically correct cause us to retreat away from our civilization. and as he says western civilization is superior. and we need to understand why it's superior. i often talk about the pillars of american exceptionalism. and when i do go to europe i talk about how we need to strengthen and expand western civilization. that is the clash that's going on here. >> what makes america great as a culture, as you well know is what we do by example. not that we say we're better than everybody else. i mean that's not american.

and this guy wilders he's got some bad checks on his records and i'm sure you know this if you've followed him for that long he calls islam the ideology of a retarded culture. he's a provocative guy and trying to divide people. why would you invite that into congress which is a body of a country all about collaboration between cultures? >> i think we need to understand -- and that's what geert wilders is doing helping the world understand what's coming at us. he's written a book called "marked for death" and i thought i would read an autobiography about him living under guard because radical islamists didn't like what he said and did. that's not freedom. when i read his book i found out that he understands radical islam, he's read through the quran at least twice i can pick up out of that. he's written a historical narrative that's nailed together factually that's very well footnoted.

i think this country's not at all educated on what we have for an enemy. and geert wilders opens this up for us and forces us to take a deeper look at the people that are coming to kill us as they did in garland, texas just sunday night. >> but the risk is that you wind up painting the whole as just a function of the extreme. let's look at it by analogy, congressman. if wilders was saying that christianity is the ideology of the retarded and the bible should be outlawed you wouldn't invite him to congress. >> well, no i wouldn't invite him to congress. but i did invite him to washington, d.c. to do those events because we need to have this kind of dialogue. >> but you wouldn't have it -- if you were saying it about christianity you wouldn't do this. >> he says that he has no problem with the muslim religion it's the islamists that he has a problem with. and the peaceful component of islam are the muslim religion. they are irrelevant in this discussion except to the extent

they help -- they're the stream within which swim the violent islamists. it's coming at us and we're accelerating in this country. i've been into the inner cities in europe into places like the hague and into brussels that have been taken over by islam. and the no-go zones that are all over europe. and we probably got some no-go zones in america that we don't know about. i haven't been to them. i need to do that. but if you go to europe and see what's happening in europe it's a predictor of what's happening here in america. that's why he's here. he's hanging onto your first amendment, your right of freedom of speech, he's been prosecuted for hate speech. and the truth does not -- is not an affirmative defense. so you can't speak the truth in europe if it happens to offend, we don't want a country like that and he's reminding us that. there are principles more important than the politically correct side of this. those are right there in the bill of rights but especially the first amendment of our constitution. >> right. >> he's an advocate for that --

>> but it's how he's using it. i guess you just have to ask yourself what is it you want to promote. do you believe that america's future when it comes to collaboration of cultures is to pick on one and paint one in the extreme and at its ugliest? or do you want to try to cultivate the moderates within islam and show them that they're welcome in this country. i mean that's really the debate. we'll continue having it congressman. i appreciate you coming on "new day" as always with your perspective. we'll see you again soon. >> thank you, chris. you got to know your enemy. >> all right. thank you very much. all right. i'll take a look at some other headlines for you. a u.s. college student is being detained in north korea, but he tells cnn exclusively he illegally entered the country deliberately. so why risk a lengthy punishment? cnn's will ripley had an exclusive interview with the young man. hi will. >> reporter: michaela he wanted to accomplish something great by deciding to leave the united

states where he's lived since 2001 and cross illegally into north korea, a country where anybody from an enemy country who crosses potentially faces very serious trouble. >> i understand my parents and my loved ones are worrying a lot about me. but i would like to say that i'm well. and there's no need to worry -- >> reporter: north korean state media reports won man joo entered the country illegally crossing the river on the china/north korea border. joo says he made it past two barbed wire fences following a large river until north korean soldiers arrested him. >> i thought that by my entrance illegally i acknowledge but i thought that some great event could happen. and hopefully that event could have a good effect in relations

between the north and south. >> what kind of great event did you think would happen? >> i'm not completely sure yet. >> reporter: this is the first time he's been able to send any message to his family and friends since he was detained. south korea's government is demanding the immediate release of the college student. and that of two other detained south koreans who gave exclusive interviews to cnn. they're being held by the north koreans on espionage charges, allegations south korea calls baseless. joo remains under investigation, but he's hopeful his arrest will bring about some good. >> i hope that, you know i will be able to tell the world how an ordinary college student entered the dprk illegally, but however with the generous treatment of the dprk that i will be able to return home safely. >> reporter: joo says he is being treated humanely. he has his own room a private bathroom but no telephone. so that was his first opportunity to send a message not only to his family but perhaps most importantly the south korean government. because even though he's a

permanent resident of the u.s. and his family is still there, it is now up to south korea to figure out how to get this young man home from a country where they have no diplomatic relations. the government here in pyongyang right now, michaela not giving us any answers about the criminal charges or potential punishment this young man is facing. alisyn. >> what a peculiar case. will ripley thanks so much. well, u.s. navy warships escorting british commercial vessels through the strait of hormuz. this request came from the british government after the iranians detained a cargo ship last week bearing the flag of the martial islands. navy ships already accompanying american commercial ships. president obama will tap general joseph dunford as the next chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. dunford is currently the common don of the marine corps. if confirmed by the senate he'll replace martin dempsey who is retiring. just days after losing the fight of the century to floyd mayweather manny pacquiao's

camp revealing he needs surgery to repair a significant tear in his shoulder. the surgery is expected to keep pacquiao out of the ring for nine months to a year. >> did you watch the fight? >> did not. i watched zero sports over the weekend. >> mayweather had to be heavily favored going into it but manny did seem to shift away from his right hand which is his strong hand. >> how could he have that fight two weeks after he had surgery? >> why didn't the commission know and why didn't they test and bring it out? there's a lot of questions. >> lot of questions. >> that was a real hype-palooza. did the baltimore prosecutor act too quickly bringing charges against six police officers in freddie gray's death? our legal experts weigh in on this. and another republican jumping in for president, does a big field help or hurt gop chances for the white house sdm john king will give you the plus/minus coming up.

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jackson and paul callan former new york city homicide prosecutor. gentlemen, thanks so much for being with us. >> good morning, alisyn. >> so the state's attorney can bypass a grand jury, why is that joey? >> there's a procedure set up and the procedure calls for either a preliminary hearing whereby you go in front of a judge and just establish your honor we have enough probable cause to move this matter forward. the judge having heard the evidence of course that they would lay out in such a preliminary hearing would make that decision. and usually, again, it's just a prima facie case just enough to show that these charges are warranted in accordance with the facts. that's one way. >> could they have done that in ferguson missouri and in new york city with eric garner and skipped the grand jury not indicting in all of the chaos that ensued? >> absolutely. everything that applied in ferguson applies under baltimore law. the prosecutor had a choice in ferguson. grand jury probable cause hearing. he got heavily criticized for

going with the, quote, secret grand jury we'll see if this applies. she hasn't elected yet as to which route she's going to go publicly so we don't know at this point. >> i think the criticism on ferguson was the manner in which the case was presented. as paul callan knows and i know presenting many cases in front of a grand jury that really the procedure is your own. what i mean by that is there's no judge there, no defense attorney there. so the prosecutor is the judge, jury and the executioner. i think the issue in ferguson was that the prosecutor decided to present everything and make that jury make a decision. here i think it's going to be very specifically tailored to establish probable cause. >> the prosecutor usually runs the show. and that's why they say you can indict a ham sandwich. he or she is providing all the rules. they're saying in ferguson they didn't do it that way. they made it confusing for the grand jurors. let's go to the charges. do you think that this

prosecutor's going to have a hard time with her top charge of depraved heart murder as it's called there, against one of the officers? >> i think she's going to have a very difficult time not getting an indictment. she'll get an indictment because a grand jury will give her an indictment if she wants that. and a judge would as well. but at the time of trial proving what we call depraved heart murder it's very very difficult. it's not like intentional murder where you point a gun at somebody, pull the trigger and intend to kill them. depraved heart is kind of it's a reckless accident but shows such complete contempt for human life that it's the same thing as an intentional murder. >> will that fit perfectly to what happened inside the van did in fact happen it's not intentional but such reckless disregard, he wanted help they never called for help from a medic. >> it depends. remember there were four stops. the driver got out on at least one occasion maybe more occasion going in to check on him allegedly. now, when he was checking on him

was he checking to see if he was okay? or was he fully knowledgeable that gray was in trouble and he did nothing? that's a hard decision. >> but she never mentioned the suggestion of what was being done with the van basically using the van as a weapon to injure him on the way there to teach him a lesson. depraved heart murder is a very specific statute, joey. it's not just a middle step between reckless behavior and -- >> very fair point. two points need to be made one, as for the indictment it's always always more difficult to find someone guilty than it is to indict because an indictment is an accusation. defense attorneys go in front of the jury rip up indictments and say, ladies and gentlemen, it's an accusation. they have to prove their case. but to the indication of depraved heart murder here's why the rough ride may not even be at issue here. if you know that someone is ailing and you know that someone says i need medical attention, i can't breathe, i need help i'm

in distress. and what you do alisyn chris, paul is you then say, well let's pick up another passenger. let's make another stop. let's get to a precinct that takes two minutes to get to 40 minutes later. what does that say to you in terms of are you indifferent to human life? >> you're going to have to show you knew that person would probably die. >> not that they would die -- >> if you delayed. >> not that they would die but they would be in serious risk of injury or death. >> so you're comfortable, joey she didn't overreach. >> i think prosecutors, not that it's provable but that it could be provable. >> i think they've got to prove the rough ride. because if he's just saying -- if she's saying well he was in trouble and he should have gone to the hospital that's very different from saying he's in trouble and he's going to be rocking around in that van. i could careless whether he lives or dies that's depraved hard murder. if he's a rough ride and bouncing around inside the van,

she's got a shot at depraved heart. but without the rough ride i think it's a different crime. >> the driver said he had jailitis. he's just complaining he doesn't want to go to jail. >> the problem is alisyn as a police officer, as an attorney as somebody else we don't know the medical status. you can't make assumptions in terms of whether someone's feigning injury or not. your obligation and you'll hear about rules and regulations in this case, is to get them help. >> that's one of the criticisms is this may be premature. they charged too quickly with these counts. and maybe this should have been a longer more studied investigation. >> i don't think it could have been charged -- listen the bottom line is that the jury is the final arbiter, let a jury see -- >> let's see what the next steps are. one thing's for sure alisyn the prosecutor can always back off and go onto other charges and often overreach in the beginning. that's another conversation for another day. >> can't wait to have it. so we go from the legal

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breaking news. isis is taking responsibility for the attack on a prophet muhammad cartoon drawing contest in texas. elton simpson, one of the gunmen who was shot and killed trying to ambush that event had just sent a tweet showing allegiance to isis. he was convicted in 2011 for making false statements to the fbi. the second gunman meanwhile, nadir soofi, spent time in pakistan when he was younger. an nyu student detained in north korea admits he entered the country illegally, why? to heal tensions with the south. won-moon joo says he wanted to be arrested. he says he's being treated well not in danger and ready to accept any punishment the north levies against him. well there's lots of buzz and lots of twitter snark over what the stars wore at last

night's big met gala here in new york city. sarah jessica parker's head dress inspired some means including this one comparing it to the flame emoji. rihanna was not immune. her huge yellow robe -- >> check that out. two years to make that dress. >> how long did it take to eat it? because it was turned into an omelet or pizza online. beyonce also turning heads leaving little to the imagination. >> hello. nothing from the cuomo sector. >> he's strangely quiet right now. >> letting the pictures tell the story. >> all this held to raise money for the museum's costume institute. >> usually he likes a nice close-up of his face but he's like run that video again. >> there are much better pictures than my face apparently. >> you were studying intently. >> i think fashion choice is very important. says a lot about somebody. >> sure. >> fashion choices and twitter snark, any room for those in d.c.? let's ask john king inside politics. how are you doing today?

what'd you think of the dress? >> i'm going to move to inside politics. i'm going to protect myself michaela. we have so much to talk about. let's get straight inside politics. with me this morning jackie olivia knox of yahoo. mike huckabee gets into the race today in arkansas. that will make six officially declared republican candidates. one thing he likes to say is i beat the clinton machine. technically not true. let's start there because there's a new nbc/"the wall street journal" poll out and the conversation is it a half full or half empty glass? does seem to show some dents in her political armor. look at this somewhat are negative feelings about hillary clinton among all voters. in march april it's at 42% had negative feelings. not surprising the sense she's back into politics she's going to take some dents. i guess the question the beginning of a slide or inevitable one-time hit? >> i think it depends on if one

of these republican candidates can catch fire. right now you are seeing voters the ones who are paying attention, watching this and not really loving hillary clinton maybe as much as they might have. with huckabee i think he's skipping a step when he's talking about hillary clinton. he's got a couple republican challengers on the right that are going to give him some fits because they haven't really been out there. he's sort of someone they know already. and has some issues that they're going to attack. >> and hillary clinton today will be stoking the divides. she's going to have a round table in which she says, olivia there should be a clear path to citizenship. a clear path to citizenship. not legal status. that is a huge divide in the republican party. jeb bush tends to agree with her although he says legal status now. some other guys are murky on that. she knows what she's doing here. she's deliberately picking an issue that benefits her and stokes their fight. >> it's a no-brainer in democratic politics certainly. that's the consensus -- that's where the party consensus is.

i think you're right she's having a little bit of fun. this could force some of these challengers on the right to have to clarify their positions or revert to their earlier positions, which is another problem for people like jeb bush and marco rubio. it's a pretty canny play but for democratic politics it's a no-brainer. this is where the policy consensus is among democrats. >> it's also one of the reasons she benefits if you look at national polling still. she gets most of the obama coalition when you match her up against the leading republican candidates. and against them right now despite this hit in her negatives, a rise in negative she still runs look at the "the wall street journal"/nbc she still runs ahead, rand paul is closest. we were talking before air, independents swinging rand paul's way. she beats jeb bush at the moment by six, beating rubio by six, scott walker by ten. you can do the half full half empty. she consistently runs ahead of the republicans by a decent margin. that three points is a little bit of a warning sign. but to me what's important is

she keeps most of the obama coalition, african-americans, latinos, younger voters. not all but most. the republicans can also say, okay she's out there by herself and we're just getting started. >> well yeah and as republicans you hear this every year but i think particularly this year they're going to make a play for the hispanic voters. hispanic voters particularly the ones who care about immigration, they've been -- there's no how are we going to do this. it's okay i want to do this. so i think there's going to be a lot of questions as to how, how this time. how are you going to get this through congress? >> it's not after labor day 2016 a lot of voters haven't tuned us in. i would like to see what the name recognition is nationwide on someone like rand paul scott walker. the republican campaign's going to tick up more and more media attention. the attacks on hillary clinton are probably going to be sustained throughout the next couple of years. >> you think? it's a little early. >> i'm going to predict right here and right now the republicans don't stop attacking hillary clinton.

>> that is amazeing. >> a bold statement. one of the things they're attacking her about is the clinton foundation and the big speaking fees her husband former president takes. i want you to listen to bill clinton yesterday. he's talking to cynthia mcfadden of nbc news he's on a trip to africa for the clinton foundation and he's asked here about his speaking fees including remember one of the big controversial ones is a $500,000 speaking fee from a moscow bank at the very time that bank was part of a deal to get uranium deal for the russian government. >> will you continue to give speeches? >> oh yeah. i got to pay our bills. i also give a lot over to the foundation every year. >> this one here we give bill clinton a lot of credit for his political skills. i got to pay our bills? the arkansas governor didn't make a lot of money. as president he had a pretty good salary. i understand they weren't rich when they left the white house, but i got to pay our bills? >> remember when bill was going to take a backseat and wasn't

really giving interviews? wasn't that just a couple weeks ago? any time the clintons are talking about personal it's going to be a problem right now especially when you're saying things like we have to pay the bills. i don't think that's among the top things they're worrying about. >> he's not known for being so tone deaf although i covered him for a long time and every now and again when he gets tired he says some numbingly stunning things. >> well you know tired but this is also something very personal to them. they've been on the defensive for a really long time. you're seeing the flashes of temper that typically get bill clinton in trouble. >> the question is does this conversation affect her political standing? another big thing the select committee on benghazi. the republicans had a committee last year they have a new committee on benghazi there's been a fight back and forth they wanted to interview her in private and then public testimony. they also want to talk to her about her e-mail server not just about benghazi. her attorney said she's willing to testify once in public. she wants to do this in public. and they want to do it in a couple weeks later this month.

if you talk to republicans privately, the last time she testified a long time ago she did have that one sound bite what difference at this point does it make that republicans think was damaging to her. but privately republicans also say she handed them their hats. and so the question is is this a big deal for her? is this i need to get past this and put this behind me? >> i think it's both. i really do. and republicans have every incentive to not make this a circus. because if this is a circus if they look like they are attacking her, it's just going to help her. >> we also know this is a committee that's going to wait to file its final report until really the height of the election season. the chairman of the committee yesterday, trey gowdy, said he would not be rushed into calling her. remember one of the things they want to do -- they do actually want to get past this. they want to get her in front of the committee in public as quickly as possible and be able to say i have testified, not i'm going to testify. >> the question for me is there are some very legitimate questions, four americans died in benghazi. the clinton campaign says we've answered these questions. yesterday we're going to start a new posting called the briefing

to respond to these unnecessary and what they view partisan attacks. i would make the case let's see how this goes. this is a congressional committee with legitimate oversight to a tragedy. maybe they'll handle themselves and ask the right questions, maybe the campaign should dial it back until it happens? you're laughing again. do you expect this to become a partisan spectacle? or do republicans get, okay ask legitimate questions, be tough but don't go over the line? >> well i don't expect it to be a partisan spectacle, but the wayed auto edthe way the audience is going to see it i think the republicans have a very big incentive to make this a workman like here are some serious questions, here are the things that have already been addressed we're not going to worry about those things. big incentive to do that. >> if this is about slogan airing it's not going to play well for them. >> we'll see that in just a couple weeks. thanks for coming in.

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no one is saying that there aren't peaceful muslims. but there is a problem in islam as illustrated last night. and anyone that addresses it gets attacked in this same way. whereas you should be directed your barbs at the enforcers of the sharia and those that seek to destroy and crush freedom of speech the way they did in paris and in copepen haggen.

>> that's pam geller. now we have news this morning that isis is claiming responsibility for what happened in garland, texas. so let's bring in dr. conta conta ahmed. with this news this plays on the fear that isis is going to launch attacks here at home and even if they don't plan them they're going to inspire them. so what is the meaning of this? >> i think that the events gathering recently do expose a real dichotomy in our conversation. we are very privileged as americans because we enjoy free speech in a way that really doesn't exist in other places and is defended very vigorously. i've lived in places where free speech doesn't exist including saudi arabia. but the concept of any action on speech that's deemed blasphemous as for instance in "charlie hebdo" in paris or in

coppenhagen, is a fictional crime. it is not an islamic crime. it's a crime prosecuted by islamists. those actists attempted to have a massacre in texas and foiled by a brave policeman are operating on a fictional basis. >> but that plays into the phobia right? the reason it's such a big headline that isis is claimed is because now to the american mind they're saying see, this is what happens. every time you do something muslims don't like they'll attack you. they answer in violence. and then claiming responsibility feeds the phobia. so what is the counterattack? >> well i think your use of phobia is a good one. phobia breeds irrational fear. i think there is irrational fear for authorities in the united states that we do have a problem with domestic radicalization. i've testified to capitol hill about domestic radicalization. there's an issue with radicalization in u.s. prisons. to me that is a rational fear.

where i have real distress in the event that geller hosted is that i don't believe her intentions are to advance understanding or expand discourse. while she says she recognizes there are peaceful muslims, she also labels us all with some pretty heinous language. in her own words savages -- >> she tries to separate that there are savages and then there are muslims. she says she keeps them separate. >> but she doesn't. >> it does seem to the uninitiated that islam gets a protection of its own faith that other faiths don't get. if you want to create an effigy of jesus, go ahead, you're going to be able to do it. people won't like it but that's how it is. there's an understanding that no no one's allowed to do any picture of muhammad. the media won't do it theinspires a double standard feeling that people may be upset. >> that may be a sentiment. in the united states that's not a reality. we can have contests for these kinds of cartoons as much as

somebody can print a copy of mine kemp and report it. if you actually look at islamic history there have been islamic satirists for centuries operating between the 8th and 13th century who really ridiculed islam and aspects of islam in far greater terms than anything we've seen here. and one of her assertions is that muslims have no sense of humor. she just needs to look at some 8th to 13th century history. that's well reported. >> and she has to do something that's emotionally difficult but as you always say intellectually honest which is you have to separate those who have perverted the faith and now say if you paint a picture of muhammad i'll kill you from true followers of islam, real muslims. >> who would defend her right to have freedom of speech. but also she's not the only guilty party. we are in a climate where our own administration does not want to engage in this conversation. so when you say that there is an irrational fear we've had a

national denial of a problem called islamism which effects us internationally and definitely attempts to constrict freedom of speech through u.n. resolutions. we also have had a president who's unwilling to name islamism for what it is. so we lack official discourse, the public discourse is struggling. so what's happening is polarization is increasing. we have this gift of free speech in order to share complicated ideas, but in events like geller's i don't believe it's used to the best possible opportunity. >> at the end of the day when people are angry, they're afraid subtlety is not always easy to give purchase. doctor thank you. >> my pleasure chris. >> this is an ongoing discussion we've been having. what do you think? tweet us using #newdaycnn or facebook.com/newday. mic. great conversation chris. thanks. the wait for a royal baby name is over. what's the response been? we'll tell you.

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isis claiming responsibility for sunday's attempted ambush is garland, texas. >> the network likely knew about it before it happened. >> it's about freedom of speech period. >> too many communities don't have a relationship and trust with the police. >> this cop watch thing, i am going to take it to the top and we're not going to stop. >> my goal is to seek justice fairly to everybody. >> i am a candidate for president. >> yes, i am running for president. >> i am running -- >> for president. >> for president of the united states. this is cnn breaking news. >> isis is claiming responsibility for sunday's

attempted ambush at a prophet muhammad art exhibit. >> a question for investigators, how involved was isis in the plotting of the attack? we begin with our senior cnn correspondent. what do we know? >> reporter: at this stage there is little in this message, and isis' official radio station, and it suggests an intimacy with the planning of the attack in garland, texas. and we know the gunman left a tweet before the attack in which he did make a suggestion of allegiance towards isis and that doesn't have anything to do with proof or evidence that they were behind it or they had prior knowledge to it and that's one of the issues with the lone wolf

attacks like this the gunman or attackers like this may have had a previous brush with the law and then go years and then an attempted like this and it's only after the fact that in fact isis needs to step forward and say that was one of ours. investigators will look to see if there was a connection but there is nothing yet to say there was a connection and there is always a message at the end for more attacks against the united states and the future is around the corner. hard to find the connection between these attacks and the isis command, and that's the key question now. >> thank you very much. more about the dead men and what is being discovered about any planning or contacts they had with others.

and we go live to phoenix, and that's where they were living. >> reporter: it's a claim, and a claim is one thing and what investigators are going to be seeking this morning is to find the evidence and the proof and they will comb through all the items that were seized at the apartment these two gunmen shared in phoenix, and they are trying to connect the dots. how close were these men connected to isis if they were connected at all? the fbi filled a van with evidence from the gunmen's phoenix apartment and investigators scrubbing all item items hoping to peace together a plot. elton simpson put his car up for sale. whitlock exchanged texts with simpson. >> you don't think maybe he is going to go and plot something.

>> and he changed his mind and driving it to texas, and he pledged an oath to isis, and talking to an fbi enforcement over years, and simpson wanted to go to somalia to fight, recorded on wiretaps saying if you get shot or killed heaven that's straightaway and heaven that's why we here for so why not take that route? and then a pakistani source with knowledge of the family tells cnn when his parents divorced he moved to pakistan with his father and their plan so secret that the moss president spent years with both men at services and never saw either man as a threat. >> it shocks you.

>> reporter: a question elton simpson's family is also asking in a statement they released monday night, just like everybody in our beautiful country we are struggling to understand how this could happen. you can hear the confusion in that statement. it's a sentiment being echoed here in phoenix, across the acquaintances, friends and family, and a lot of them did not see the violence coming. >> it's so confusing for them and everybody. thank you for that. we are learning more about the hero cop that gunned down the texas suspects and likely saved many lives. ed lavandera is in texas. tell us about this hero. >> reporter: really dramatic when you get closer to the building and you consider these two gunmen did not even make it into the parking lot of the civic center because of the quick actions of two officers,

and the first one was wounded but the second officer on the parameter, and they see the two gunmen jump out with two assault rifles and start filing and with a handgun the police took out the two gunmen. we understand it was the one officer in that car that took out both of them. garland police said he did an incredible job. >> he did what he was trying to do and under the fire that he was put under, he did a very good job. and probably saved lives. >> reporter: so this morning many people celebrating the quick actions of that officer, especially considering just how heated that moment must have been for him. so far that officer would be described as a veteran traffic

police officer with the garland police department and we don't know his name and they have turned down all requests for interviews. >> all about the job. thank you. let's bring in christina simpson, and she defended elton simpson, and she is a criminal defense attorney. thank you for joining us. you say when you heard of the incident you say you were surprised about the incident why? >> i never had an inkling he would be violent and he was always kind and respectful to me in all my dealings with him. >> but he was being investigated by the fbi for years. >> i believe they surveilled him for close to four years trying to see if there was information they could get. >> what did they want to get him for? >> they wanted to get him in

connection with making false statements in connection with terrorism. the judge that presided over the trial decided the government didn't meet its burden to prove that it was related to terrorism. >> everybody gets a right to a fair process and that's your job as a zealous representative of the legal community and of that process, but what was your feel about him? clearly, this was not a mistaken identity right? they didn't have it completely wrong about what was going on in his head and heart, right? >> i don't know about what is going on now, but in my view he was completely innocent of all the charges, and the fbi came to talk with him and asked him if he ever spoke interest going to somalia, and he has done so briefly about a year and a half prior, and when he said no that's when they arrested him for the charges, so in my view the charges were completely bogus. >> can you say honestly you don't believe this man had any desire in his head or heart to

become part of jihad? >> that was nothing that i ever saw and nothing that he ever exited exhibited to me in my dealings. >> he said we can make it to the battlefield and it's time to roll and i want to go to somalia and if you fight and die, you go right to heaven. what do you think that is? >> it sounded like a bunch of talk to me, and when i was representing him it was 2010 and 2011 and that happened in 2008 and it sounded like a lot of talk compared to his demeanor. >> counsel, do you say you want to go to somalia and participate in jihad? >> i sure don't. >> do you think it's really just talk? do you think people missed something about this guy that they should not have missed?

>> i don't think they missed anything, and they did everything they could, and he is entitled to due process in his trial, and he exercised that right, and what happened it was the result of their evidence that they had. >> you stay in contact with him after that matter? >> the only time i had contact with him after the matter was when he called me to say he had been placed on the no-fly list and he was concerned about that. >> how did he explain the confusion about what was coming out of his mouth and what he said he actually intended? >> i don't know if i can go into that with the attorney/khrepbtclient relationship but i can tell you that i base my defense on the charges and what i believe the government can prove. >> in certain case the privileges exist beyond the death, and do you think you missed anything about this man? i am not blaming you, but i am

trying to get insight into who this guy is. >> i hope you don't blame me but i don't believe i missed anything, and he just snapped when he heard about the cartoon contest, and it was completely provocative event and i would see many people who were devout about their religion being upset about. >> but there is a difference between being a devout muslim and having a twitter icon of ma hroubgy, right? >> right. i have never been a federal agent so i can't say whether they were right or wrong, but it appears they were on to something. >> isis taking credit for it. was there anything that came up during your dealings with this man that suggested that he knew

about the group or was interested in the group, anything? this was way back when isis did not exist, but was there anything ever about it? >> absolutely not. i believe that the government alleged that the statements he made in connection with this offense were more towards al shabaab, the somali group. >> yeah he was talking about north africa specifically, and that's where he wanted to go and you helped him beat that case but he didn't beat the officers in garland. thank you for appearing on "new day." a college student says he illegally entered the country deliberately. hopefully we have an answer. >> reporter: answers are hard to come by here and it's a very

bizarre and puzzling case. you have a 21-year-old that decided to travel to north korea so he could, as he puts it do something good only now he found himself in a very bad situation. >> i understand my parents and loved ones are worrying a lot about me but i would like to say that i am well and there is no need to worry. >> reporter: north koreaen state media media media. he says he made it past two barbed wire fences following a river until north korean soldiers arrested him. >> i thought that some great event could happen and hopefully that event could have a good affect in the relationships between the north and south.

>> so what kind of great event did you think could happen? >> of course i am not completely sure yet. >> this is the first time he has been able to send any message to his family and friends since he was detained. south korea's government is demanding the immediate release of the college student and that of two other south koreans that are being held by the north koreans on espionage charges. and the student is hopeful his arrest will bring about some good. >> i hope that you know i will be able to tell the world how an ordinary college student entered the north korea illegally, but however with the generous treatment with the dprk i will be able to return home safely. >> reporter: he does say he is being treated humanely and has his own room but now, even though he lived in the u.s. since 2001 and is a permanent

resident and his family is still there, but it's the south korean government where he remains a citizen, and these two countries are still technically at war and have no diplomatic relations and it's a complex situation, and this young man whether he is aware or not could very well end up in a north korean prison. >> thank you. john kerry in the news making history in africa. the first u.s. secretary of state to visit somalia. at this hour kerry is visiting with the officials, and he is hoping to reinforce the ongoing democratic transition. the sudden death of dave goldberg the husband of facebook executive, he died after falling off a treadmill and struck his head.

he was vacationing in mexico with his family at the time and it's unclear if he had an episode before falling or just fell on the exercise machine. and then sofia vergara is speaking out. she said children should be raised in a loving family where two parents get along. >> this has been quite a battle. >> it sure has. fascinating and provocative, and lots of couples going through a battle similar, but it's just not that published. >> when did you make the distinction really matters, and this is the future we will see.

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too many young men and women feel like no matter how hard they try they may never achieve their dreams. and that sense of unfairness the powerlessness of people not hearing their voices that has helped fuel some of the protests we have seen in baltimore and ferguson and here in new york. >> president obama expands a program to help minorities trapped in poverty, and what else needs to be done to help the rift between young men and officers. and the former chief of the police department of the nypd. we have to start with the premise this is not an overnight solution or band-aid. can we agree on the premise to start with? >> yes. >> i want to read you something

i read in the "new york times," and somebody said people are not buying our brand, and if it was a product we would take it off the market and re-engineer it. >> crisis is when you are going into it. there's a brand not being bought and hopefully the leaders understand there's a lot of changes that need to be made. >> in order to fix something, you have to first admit you have a problem, and as they say in alcoholics anonymous, and if we look at the poll about the feelings about police let's take a look at that. look at the feelings about police. if you look at african-americans polled they feel safe as opposed to white, 81%, and then

the anxiety, and the attitudes in society are as much. >> and we don't necessary if it's a growing problem or a persistent problem. if you talk to generations of african-american men, they will make sure you understand they have always experienced some level of agitation around police and some of the things they will describe to you will make what we are experiencing pale in comparison right? >> fair. >> what we are seeing now is people engaging the police and saying no more we feel we have a sense of activism in us and our ability to fight back in some way, whether it be technologically, and taking it to the streets, and that in

previous generations they may not have felt that sense of advocacy. >> you have to move on and evolve from there and it's making substantive changes. you were saying one of the things you have to do is recognize the problems in the way the problems are run, and you have a concern about the matrix concerned to analyze how cops are doing? >> i would khal every police chief throughout the nation if you evaluate your officers on the monthly or annual level, and it boils down to how much arrests they make or summonses they right, and if you tell them this is what counts. >> that's not serve and protect. >> the problem you have the matrix has been crime reduction, and therefore you have the leaders in law enforcement nationwide and you are asking them to change something that they have been very successful for. >> i understand that. so we had a guest on early and

it said it has to change at the top, and it has to change how they are doing business if you will. >> yes. >> do you think that's likely to happen? >> i think it has to happen. how quick it has to happen and how peaceful it has to happen is one thing, but it has to happen. >> you have to get law enforcement, particularly the people at the top of the law enforcement to get to the point of diminishing returns. there was a moment where people reflectively return to high pressure policing because we had a drug problem, gang problem, and everybody was freaked out, and when americans freak out we overreact in general. now we are getting to the point where we are still trying to push the same matrix but now we are pushing them to lower and lower levels and pushing up lower and lower level criminals for doing minor things and then

there are disparities, and there are a lot of people doing this but we are only arresting or giving warrants to certain kinds of people and that's where people feel the disconnect. >> another part is how society sees it and feels about the disconnect between how whites feel about deadly force, and you can see the results, 79% african-americans feel that deadly force or aggressive force against them, and 1% whites feel they have that same counter with the police. and so the idea, what the president is trying to do having police go into communities and having relationships within the communities, do you think that is going to be effective. >> the genesis of it is to actually work with the community and not appease the community, it can be done. it's easy to appease the

community, and that's one thing, but if the origin is to actually fix this particular problem, i think it can be done. and when you have somebody that has an issue with an entity they can find anything wrong with the entity and you have the young african-american males and they have a problem with the police, and their perception is this is an industry against me, and any poll you ask about them is going to come back negative and we have to change how the police view the youth, black youth in particular. >> part of the poll is experienceal and it's not i feel and it's that i know -- >> you have to do a poll how they were feeling as they took the poll. >> you have to look at it more broady and the media role we play in it, and polls were tracked over years and found

whites feel crime is going up and it's going down and they identify that criminality with african-americans and that's a problem with perception. >> charles and phillip, it's important to have the conversations. another topic being debated this morning is free speech versus satirical cartoons? shouldn't they coexist? what about the wrath of extremists? the debate we will have ahead. or just tell us what you need done... ...and angie's list will find a top-rated provider to do the job. start your project for free today. when you're not confident you have complete visibility into your business, it can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. with innovative solutions that connect machines and people...

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number one, isis is taking credit for the attack at a prophet muhammad cartoon contest in texas. a u.s. college student detained in north korea speaking exclusively to cnn, and he says he is hoping to bring peace between north and south korea. >> and mike huckabee set to become the latest republican to enter the 2016 presidential mix, and he will be the sixth republican to enter once he declares today.

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what people are saying is there is always a fine line between freedom of speech and

being intentionally incendiary and provocative. >> by drawing a cartoon, and this is the low state of freedom of speech in this country, and i disagree and i disagree most srae srae mentally. >> some call the event anti-islam and others say it was about free speech. pam lure geller was booked to come on this morning but she cancelled. instead we have a columnist for "the tkaeudaily beast," and let's start there, is pamela right, should she have the right and ability to hold a cartoon contest about the prophet

muhammad and obviously that should never be met with violence, and nobody is debating violence should be the answer but does she have the right to hold that? is that freedom of speech? >> absolutely. it's not just me and an article spoke to many muslim american leaders, and they said exactly the same thing, that's her choice and that's freedom of expression and our response is to have a different contest and that's the way to respond. >> this is the united states of america. of course she can hold a cartoon contest. that's not the debate. the debate is what is the line? the debate is what is the line between freedom of speech and that's what i was trying to get to yesterday with her, and what is the difference between that and intentional rhetoric. >> we don't have a line in the united states really.

we can say anything we want and i think that's a good thing. the problem is she is hypocritical. one of the lead speakers in the event in garland, texas, wants to ban the koran. she has been on the forefront of restricting that and if she was for freedom of speech that would not be a problem. and she is against our freedom of speech and she is very selective in her first amendment rally and cries. >> one of the things i got into with her yesterday is they were just not talking about extremism, at least not based on the verbatim copy of what the keynote speaker was saying. let me read to you this that portion. you will like it because it relates to you. christian culture is far superior to the islamic one, and i can give you a million reasons, and is the important one, and we have humor and they

don't and islam does not allow humor because humor shows how foolish and ridiculous it is. and you are a muslim comedian. >> yes, i am. i made a documentary where it said muslims are coming and she attacked me saying i was trying to impose sharia law. >> why didn't he think they -- >> the idea that the cartoon contest about freedom of exspraertion is a joke, and we know the muslim community in texas rallied and said we are not going to go. i spoke to the head of the dallas chapter of care, and they said ignore her, and not one

muslim went. we know her well from her work for five years, and she is becoming a punch line in our community and we are not threatened by her. >> you said the cartoon contest was a joke. what if it had not been pamela geller and what if it had been somebody else and then is it met with the same sort of reaction? >> yeah dallas is one of the centers of america moose hrupl life, and some of the most important scholars live in the dallas texas area. not single one of them counsel the muslim community to say anything or peacefully protest, and they shrugged it off, and that would have been a response to anybody other than geller, and that it was geller made it easier to come to that conclusion. we make jokes about it and laugh about it and move on. >> the larger issue she was making is something terribly violent did happen at this

event, and so there were two extremeist and they did try to take lives and they did show up with guns. what is the answer to that? >> we don't know their true motivation? we don't know -- >> we know from their postings and they said they were offended and aligned themselves with isis. >> the question is are they using it for something, and simpson in 2010 plead guilty to lying to federal agents because he wanted to travel to isis, and i think we should know about their mental history. muslims can be mentally ill, too. let's look through everything before we decide it was actually

about the cartoons. >> the bottom line is there is freedom of speech and the freedom to have this conversation and the freedom to have this debate. she was not that comfortable with some of the questions i was having and as a champion of free speech as she calls herself, we should be able to have this conversation and muslims should be comfortable to have it as well. >> yeah, i agree. elton simpson, he was already radicalized. i believe they were already pushed over the edge and looking for an opportunity and this struck them as an opportunity and that's the saddest and most unfortunate part. >> we want to know what your thoughts are. we would love to hear your take on this despite the redhetoric going on on my twitter feed.

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senators marco rubio, and ted paul -- not ted paul and that would be a great ticket. many expected to step up and soon and let's discuss the field as it stands. van jones, se cup, you guess which one is which. how do you feel about the big field? is that good robust more debate or do you think that might hamper? >> first on mike huckabee he won the iowa caucus in 2008, and in 2012 he was not running but two of the last three guys standing in the republican primary were social conservatives, and he sees he is probably the most convincing social conservative who is yet to enter into the race, and not to mention the fact of all of

the republican candidates who have gotten in most of whom live south of the mason dixon line he is the only one that sounds like it, and if he wants to sound like the voter, he is the more authentic version of that kind of guy, and plus he says everything with a smile, and today's toxic political kind of environment, i think that's appealing. >> plus he plays a mean guitar. >> bass. >> yeah, and what do you think of his candidacy? >> well i have had a chance to meet him. i think he is disarmingly a charming guy. his politics are very very right wing. he is anti-choice in almost every situation, and he certainly has been outspoken as an opponent of marriage

equality but he is impossible not to like, and he will break out the guitar, and he is able to pull off something hard to pull off, and he is firm in his convictions, and at the same time not seem like he hates anybody or he is mad at the other side and i think he will be a welcome addition to the race and at the same time and his views place him outside where the american consensus is forming. >> nice when politics doesn't have to be about hating the other side. you put all your carrots on one horse in hillary clinton, and how risky? >> i think all democrats are a little nervous, you know and we only seem to have one strong candidate. i have not endorsed anybody.

i am looking at bernie sanders and wishing that elizabeth warren would at least get into the debate but the reality is you know when you look at hillary clinton, she is still head and shoeldulders about anybody and everybody, and they keep saying benghazi and talk about the e-mails, and nobody seems to care, and her poll numbers barely moved despite the huge attack on her and i think she is still the best candidate in the -- >> cut him off. all the polls are showing her numbers are pulling back. >> she is the most famous woman in the world, and the problem for hillary clinton, she rebranded herself for the 18th time as somebody who is an every day average american and that's not believable. she is a washington insider and has 30 years of experience, and

she is not average or normal and she is famous, and she is successful, and she is larger than life and the more she pretends to be like you and me the more awkward her rhetoric sounds. when bill clinton comes out to say we had to pay the bills and that's why i took all of these speeches that doesn't resonate. own it. you are millionaires and you are incredibly successful, and run as the world's most famous woman. i don't care how many chipotle's she goes to we are not buying she is like you and me. >> we have that moment on tape where bill clinton talks about getting $500,000 per speaking fee, and listen to the substance and the tone. listen to this. >> over the last 15 years, i have taken almost no capital gains. i have given 10% -- to pay my

bills. >> we working americans say $500,000 for a speech? >> it's the most independence i can get. it's -- i don't -- if i had a business relationship with somebody they would have a target on their back from the day they did business with me until the end. >> what do you think of his response? >> ah. >> sounds very defensive. listen i think he sounds very defensive. you can run that as a tape in a freshman class about how not to respond under pressure with a tough thing. that's not the bill clinton that won a couple elections and is a world figure and they have to get more comfortable. and what i like what hilarylary clinton is doing, and she is running, by the way, not him, and she is saying i want to hear

from ordinary people and that strategy worked for her when she did the tour for senate and i think it will work for her today, and bill clinton needs to go back and get a reimmediate rul course in commune taeugs. >> he was asked about the donations, and his answer was almost senile it was that bizarre. he said who can be against raising money for the poor. that is nobody's problem with what the clinton foundation does. the problem is with transparency and disclosure, and to not address that head on looks really bizarre and out of touch. van is right, hillary clinton ran a great campaign in the early 2000s, but the problem for her is her party moved far to the left, and they were

centrists, and the party is not there anymore, and she is having to recalibrate between the progressives that van wants to speak up more and then -- >> but if you were so right about the party, they would not be making such a clear path for her as they are. it's not a coincidence you don't have other people getting in the race, and this is who the party wants there, otherwise you would probably have more people in there. >> we have to go. >> i want to say one thing. >> quickly, van. >> i think the clinton initiative has done a bunch of good stuff, and they should say more about the millions of people they helped and the lives they say and they should not have been on the defensive so much and they should have talked more about the good they have done. >> there you go. thank you. >> thank you. talking about good people and the police are in the headlines right now. we want to tell you about a great story of a police officer

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last time officer mike buela saw robin barton was when he was 4 years old, and he was on patrol and heard him in a dumpster and thought it was a kitten. and the adopted parents found the officer now that the officer is retired and arranged a meeting. the kid is doing great. >> great story. >> he is handsome too. >> he is handsome. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," for the first time isis claims responsible for an attack on american soil. we investigate the link between the terror group and the shooters at the