>> announcer: this is new day with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> it is 6:00 in the east. welcome to "new day." this is the aftermath. dozens hurt this morning after a tornado strikes the town of van, texas. just east of dallas. homes reduced to sticks and damaged schools and toppled power lines. >> we are just learning of two tornado-related . we are learning of damage after dozens of tornadoes hit several states. we begin in van, texas. tell us what you heard. >> reporter: leaders pulled up hours ago. we see trees down in front of

the school. can you see trees up there completely snapped in half. we seen trees uprooted around van as well. we are told that several of the homes are a total loss. more than two dozen people were sent to area hospitals. of course a shelter has been set up as well. it will be a couple hours before we can get the full scope of the damage here in van. but we are told that the tornado sirens did sound about five minutes before the tornado struck van. of course van wasn't the only place that suffered damage. we saw damage all across the central u.s. throughout the weekend. >> breaking overnight. severe weather and a tornado touching down in the town of van. >> inside! inside! >> the county emergency management team is describing the scene as a quote mass casualty incident. dozens of injuries have been

roared. there is significant damage and gas leaks throughout the city of 2600. this weekend. >> a very pronounced funnel cloud and tornado in progress. >> reporter: over 70 reported from south dakota to texas. >> there goes the school. there goes the school. >> this video shows the tornado hitting a high school in iowa. the school shelters 100 people. all evacuated in the nick of time as tornado sirens flared. another tornado ripping through a small south dakota town damaging over 20 buildings. >> i step outside, there is no wind. no rain. no noises and then i can hear the howling. it sounded like an airplane. >> tlafrs the first tornado i have ever seen in my life. >> reporter: on saturday a tornado hit eastland texas, storms dumped rain and baseball sized hail on parts of oklahoma

resulting if floods. people carried to safety by helicoptering in denton county texas. since friday this area received over ten inches of rain. and the good news is the folks in east texas, feast texas, will be able to dry out. these storms are pushing to the east. allison, folks in this community will be cleaning up for days and weeks to come. >> it looks like that thanks, for that report. the first tropical storm of the year makes landfall along the south carolina coast. this is weeks before hurricane season even begins. let's get to cnn meteorologist chad meyers. he joins us with the forecast. >> reporter: allison, a lot of rain in north carolina there weekend, all along myrtle beach, wilmington the rain would not stop t. winds were 35 to 45 miles per hour blowing waves on shore. almost everyone completely auto of the water.

the red flags were up. no one getting caught in this really terrific weather. this terrible winds and the waves pushing the water on shore, farther up north into myrtle beach, if you had a beach vacation planned, you had six inches over the weekend. it is still raining all the way up into the carolina coast right now. obviously, the big story over the weekend was the tornado event. it happened in the middle part of the plains. if you live across the coast into washington, d.c., philadelphia, you will get some rainfall especially some cloud cover with this storm as it finally moves away. chris the last time we had anna which was before the season started, really was 2003. that year we had 16 named storms seven hurricanes and three major hurricanes. now, what's in a name? i know that anna has not been retired. so we reuse it every six years. the last time we used this early, it was a very busy season chris. >> we were supposed to have a

more mild one right? there is an el 19ia 84 more less storms? >> of course. just like you can't put a chicken in a bowl of water, boil it make chicken soup. it requires things there were other things that went into hurricane season as well. just because we had the chicken, it doesn't mean we will have the soup. let's see if we have celery or chicken soup. >> thank you for that aronson. we have new developments in a mississippi cop killing. in just a few hours, four suspects will be held in connection with these two officer, two are facing capital murder charges. they were gunned down saturday night during a traffic stop. this is where this all happened. what do we know now? >> reporter: well chris, we know that that court appearance will be taking place at the

courthouse behind me. meanwhile, a vigil is planned for this afternoon to honor and remember those two officers two men killed while simply doing their job. asserting his innocence while being called into the police station. 26-year-old curtis banks, one of the now four suspects in custody this morning, two facing capital murder charges in connection of a shooting death of two police officers in southern mississippi. >> you never want this to happen t. men and women that go out every day to protect us. the men and women that go out to make sure we are safe. >> reporter: 34-year-old officer bengalsmen dean and corytate were shot into gunfire saturday night. they say curtis and his brother left the crime scene, allegedly

stealing a police car and using it as a get away car. authorities will only say officer dean initiated the traffic stop called for back-up, officertate responded to the call. dean was a seasoned officer, he won officer of the year in 2012 for his department. the other a rookie who joined the force in june of last year. >> this is my baby. there is my baby. and that's all i see is my baby. >> r. >> reporter: from an emotional interviewtate's father ronald said his son quote loved everyone and had a passion for policing. >> he was a guy willing to put the risk out there. he really knew the risk but he thought, you know people are generally good and that's just the way he was. he thought people are generally good people so let's treat them

all with dignitary. >> reporter: now the mayor of hat tis burg tells cnn dean was married and leaves behind three children. meanwhile, this is the first time an officer was killed in 30 years in the line of duty in this town. >> stay with us for later this morning. we will find out some more who these men were what was lost. we have an exclusive in the 8:00 hour. will you hear from the mom, the dad and sister of the corytate. of the six police officers charged in freddie gray's death, they claim the state's attorney faces multiple conflicts of interest. this as thousands turn out for a benefit conflict. cnn national correspondent is there with the latest. >> reporter: good morning. we heard these allegations

before from the police union. now those in a long document about 109 pages and the court -- >> obviously, we are having audio problems. first we want to bring in cedric alexander, president of the black law enforcement executives. cheryl dorsey author of "black and blue" creator of a manifesto. thanks for being on cnn "new day." we call saturday a routine traffic stop. i know police officers don't like that phrase there is no such thing as a routine traffic stop and, in fact officer dean did have to call for backup. though we den know why. what does that tell you about what he saw saturday night? >> certainly, alisyn we don't

ever consider traffic stops to be routine and there was something about that stop that the officer recognized his sixth sense kicked in caused him to request an additional unit. we're not privy to information right now that will further explain what it was about either the occupants in the vehicle the way they were conducting themself or just a stop in general that let him know he needed additional assistance. >> cedric this is the first murder of a police officer in hatties, do we know the sense of the police there? >> let me say may hearts and prayers go for the slain officers out there doing their job the other night. you know in situations like this alisyn it's really hard to know we can suspect and

that's based on a minimal amount of information we have there is a relationship between that small unit in hattiesburg. >> what dine that? >> i remember reading when both those officers were down, there were two citizens that saw them went to render aid to both of those officers and helped them to call for other units and ems services to help. in addition to that if you listen to the mayor of that community, it suggests to me the mayor, the community and police work very closely together. certainly in times like this we will find communities that come together. i'm quite sure hattiesburg, that entire community is hurting and is in pain this morning. >> it is so heartening to hear the community did help bring these guy was had fled into

police custody. >> that's right. >> when you read the biography, it's heart breaking. officer dean was officer of the year in 2012. officertate, his family said he always wanted to be a police officer. do you worry that given the tension right now in the country towards police officers and ten violent acts like this that fewer people will turn out to become police officers? >> well it's my hope this won't discourage anyone who is interested in a career in law enforcement. we know there are certain dangers inherent to become a police officer. so it's manifested itself in the loss of the lives of these two officers. so i'm sorry for their loss it's inherent to what we do as police officers. >> cedric what do you want the message to be, given the climate as we've said nationally where

there is all this debate about excessive force. then yet you see these men who by all accounts were stellar role models being killed. what should we be talking about today? >> well what we should be talking about is this. certainly where we need to hold police accountable, we will hold them accountable. we have to remember alisyn there are men and women that go out here every day, such as officer dean and officertate who put their lives at risk in order to keep this community safe. >> that traffic stop that particular night may have saved many other lives, both those police officers paid the ultimate price. so we must never forget in light of everything we are seeing there are men and women doing this job to the best of their ability and they're doing it quite frankly many of them and we've seen this more recently in the last number of months officers who have last their

lives in the line of duty. we can never forget that in spite of all these other things we may question going on as well too. >> cheryl we are headed to ballot more and everything going on there. there is all sorts of questions of whether or not the prosecutor will be able to prove their case. where do you think baltimore is today? >> well i'm hopeful the prosecutor will be able to prove the case. i hope this prosecutor stays on. we didn't hear the out rage we are hearing about miss moseby as we did with robert mcculough what when he came forward to prosecute or failed to prosecutor darren wilson. >> why do you think there is more vocal outrage against moseby? >> i can't speak to why that is. certainly, we are talking about six police officer who's are facing some pretty serious charges versus you know one police officer who was accused of doing something to someone

who the public thought deserved right? mike brown. because he was described as a thug. so people give great deference to police officers you want to believe within they say a thing, it's true. so it looks like she's going full steam ahead. i encourage her to do so to not be bullied by those who think she should do her job. she was elected to do her job. they knew her affiliation when they voted her into office. she should be allowed to do that. >> thank you all for weighing in on the different incidents we are seeing in this country. >> thank you for having me. >> let's go over to chris afternoon. a big international headline saudi arabia's new king snubing president obama. king salmon was supposed to meet one on one. >> that changed abruptly in a likely show of washington's overtures to iran. michelle kazinski. >> that is what it looks like.

do we have reason to believe it was anything else? >> reporter: it does. what we might see is a phone call. both sides are insisting this is not a snub. the saudis are saying it's merely a scheduleing issue. it did happen at the very last minute. on friday the white house was announcing there was going to be this big sit-down between the two leaders. then friday night the saudis announced, i know that's not happening, in fact the king isn't going to travel at all. what's weird about this is very few actual leaders are going to show up for this summit that the president invited them to at the white house and at camp david t. white house is the one emphasizing the importance of these regional partners. you name it. fighting isis the crisis in syria, yemen, the security cooperation as the white house is trying to negotiate the nuclear deal with iran. no secret these gulf states are worried about that deal. all this is raising questions over the no shows mean they're

less happy than expected about what's happening with iran or you might be looking for more security more military reassurance than the white house is willing to give them. >> michelle thank you very much. former president jimmy carter back in atlanta after an illness forced him to cut his trip short. the former president is under the weather. he did not go into detail about the health. carter was in ghana which he has done before. seymour hirsch veteran correspondent, says the white house has been lying about how bin ladin was tracked down and the raid that killed him in 2011. hirsch alleges that pakistan was holding bin ladin prisoner and the u.s. was tipped off by a former pakistani intelligence officer on his whereabouts in exchange for $25 million. hirsch's source for the

explosive article an unnamed retired senior u.s. intelligence official. a lot of controversy surrounding this piece. everybody says it was fishy that osama bin laden was found so close to a military installation and such a highly trafficked area. but this piece is coming under heavy scrutiny so we're going to have the good fortune of having seymour hirsch on the show in the 8:00 hour. he will make the case for why he trusted reporting and we test it. the homeland security chief warning of a few phase in the fight on terror what did he say and what whether the u.s. do neighborhood first lady michelle obama with personal insight against race attuskeegee university. what has she revealed coming up?

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worried about lone wolves and tear inability to control it. we will discuss that. the headline of what happened with osama bin laden. seymour heirish is a very famous investigative reporter going back to vietnam and the massacre there and what happened at abu ghraib. we learned in large part from hirsch and there has been a lot along the way t. headline is that the story that you heard about what happened in the raid and killing of osama bin laden is not true. now, have you ufr heard of any of these theories or narratives or distinctions hirsch came out with? is there chatter about this? >> going back to what happened with the raid. what seymour hirsch is putting forward, he has a number of anonymous sources with a striking history of what

occurred a. lot of people are close to these events. all of them thoroughly dispute his account. some are demonstrative results. there are literally hundreds if not thousands of people who seen those documents. i think he has a lot of explaining to do why people should find his lack credible. >> the main theory that had vansed is this was no surprise on pakistan pakistan knew osama bin laden was there. they put him there. they were holding him as leverage and a senior intelligence official basically delivered all the information necessary to the u.s. and basically they walked in took him, there wasn't a big firefight t. narrative was bogus? >> we knew some of this could be true. there are others who said recently including a pakistani intelligence chief who is quoted in hirsch's story the pakistani

government knew he was there and they were keeping him there for reasons they feel. >> that part i don't have a problem with. i think a lot of people right from the beginning have suspected and have probably asserted obama could be there without the pakistani movement. everything after that i have some problems with. the idea that the u.s. government would trust the pakistanis with knowledge of the raid would say to them that we're coming look the other way. i find that very odd. i don't imagine the obama administration would trust the pakistanis knowing they had been keeping this man there for such a long time. why would they give them advance notice when there was the high likelihood they would remove him. the helicopters would find nobody. >> the big plus-minus it's

always been weird osama bin laden was where he was. you know we always thought he was hiding in a cave somewhere people like you trying to track him down. it turns out he's in a major city the i quiff lent of west point. that's been a tantalizing unknown. for this to be true, a lot of people had to lie and for what reason? >> right. look it's the specifics of what hirsch claimed occurred. not so much the notion that the pakistanis had to have known, bobby said this is something a lot of people including former u.s. officials, like high ranking. it has been said by people at the cabinet level the pakistanis had to have known, meaning that someone in the pakistani establishment had knowledge. as to why pooem people would lie if hirsch's account is correct. it's a difficult thing to explain. as i mentioned before the notion that all of the documents taken in the raid were simply falls. when people are there, one of

the most bake things you do is conduct document exploitation. why is it that the seal team would fought conduct basic document exploitation and throw a few books in a garbage bag, which is why hirsch claims if so why are there 1 million documents recovered in the course of this raid? why do they exist? he claims no documentation occurred. he claims they got these documents from the pakistanis. again, that doesn't hold up. if you talk to people who are familiar with the documents, a lot say the pakistanis do not come off particularly well including in the most recent round of releases that occurred during a criminal trial. bin ladin was reaching out to the pakistanis. there is a lot that doesn't hold up in hirsch's story. >> we whether hear more from peter bergen why he went to the compound and we will delay his reporting of what he saw there. let's get to this other headline real quick, to have jay johnson,

our guy protecting the u.s. here at home say the lone wolf risk is real and it is hard for to us stay in front of it. the urgency is new. what is the message to people? >> the plaenl is that isis is now taking on where al qaeda left off. it is acting very very quickly. it is sort of reaching out through the internet and to potentially saying to them you do whatever chaotic thing you can possibly do. we will take credit for it. it is acting in a sort of almost predatory fashion like this. it is not new. this is something that goes back several years with al qaeda and particularly al qaeda in yemen. but it is isis has shown it is able to take the internet to a new level as a propaganda tool. we saw that recently in texas. we have seen that of course in paris and other places.

the sense of urgency that he is trying to communicate is well felt across the intelligence community. i was recently a couple weeks ago in london. it's very palpable there. people worry that these guys that isis knows how to use social media particularly in a way we have not seen. >> no longer about an organization and command and control and actual recruiting. it's just a brand that anybody can identify. >> thank you very much for helping us understand what we need to be skeptical about with regard to the osama bin laden reporting and also bobby, you need to help us understand why jay johnson is so worried, over to you. confessions of a first lady michelle obama making revelations to candidates at alabama's tusk keeping

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from south dakota to texas, including in iowa it ripped the roof off this high school. two people in arkansas one in texas killed by the weather this weekend. four suspects set to face a judge today in the fatal shooting of two hattiesburg mississippi officers killed during a traffic stop. 22-year-old joanie calloway and marvin banks and a third and fourth suspect charged with justice of benjamin deen and liquoritate will be held in hattiesburg today. rebels conducting airstrikes shot down a fighter jet. the topics of strikes offered by the saudi coalition takes place tomorrow allowing for humanitarian aid to reach civilians. first lady michelle obama getting personal at a

commencement at tuskeegee university. she says she faced different things during the campaign in 2008. >> as potentially the first african-american first lady i was also the focus of another set of questions and speculations conversations sometimes rooted in the fears and misperceptions of others. was i too loud or too angry or too emask lateing? or was i too soft too much of a mom, fought enough of a career woman? >> mrs. obama also acknowledged she was quote knocked back a bit by this cartoon in the "new yorker" in which she had a afro and a machine gun. >> i remember it well. >> i to hear she was really upset by all the depictions of her. >> as you see as we get close to

the end of their term they are both getting more looking back and considering and even being open about it. being candid about what they felt and experienced. >> i remember her kind of starting this off early on when she said i am finally proud of my country, which really bothered people a lot. then they dug into her past a little bit that she had written something in college that made people wonder how much she loves the country. race gets interpreted different ways by different people in terms of how they feel. >> you want to talk more about it later this show. >> i look forward to that. more controversy for you this morning. at the vatican, cuban leader raul castro paid a visit to go and see the pope for brokering the peace talks between washington and havana cnn national correspondent ben wedeman live in rome with more communist kisses ring.

is that the headline? well. >> reporter: well certainly, there are raised eyebrows af this meeting which took place yesterday, a 55-minute meeting between raul castro and the pope. the vatican said it was quote a cordial meeting and castro used the opportunity to thank pope francis for his role in breaking the diplomatic deadlock between the united states and cuba. but afterwards he went to a press conference where he came out with this statement. he said if the pope continues to speak like this sooner or later i will start praying again and i whether return to the catholic church. now, just in case anybody thought this was a remark off the cuff. he went on to say, i'm not saying this jokingly i'm a communist of the cuban communist party. significant that the official media in cuba is not quoting

these particular remarks, but they are strange coming from the disciple of carl marks who describes religion as the opiate of the masses. ben. >> very interesting developments there. new scrutiny of the baltimore prosecutor who brought charges against officers in freddie gray's death. they claim multiple conflicts of interest. we will dust it ahead with a man who has several opinions on the matter congressman eline ja cummings. ble, let's-rock-this-concert- like-it's-1999 kind of mom. back pain? motrin helps you be the side-planking keeping-up-with- your-girlfriend- even-though-you'll-feel-it- later kind of woman you are. body pain? motrin helps you be an unstoppable, i-can-totally-do-this- all-in-one-trip kind of woman. when pain tries to stop you, there's motrin. motrin works fast to stop pain where it starts. make it happen with new motrin liquid gels.

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dismiss the charges or reassign the case? the six officers arrested in freddie gray's death, that i are asking for a prosecutor. i want to bring in congressman elijah cummings. he's been on the streets of baltimore since the freddie gray's death led to unrest there. thank you for getting up early to talk to us with all this. i want to give you a chance to

look over this information the motion that was filed. i want to pull up a few points of it. really attacking marley moseby's professional integrity, falsely said gray's arrest was illegal. has personal conflicts of interest is a close friend to gray lawyer billy murphy key staff is in a relationship with a tv reporter. you maintain your confidence in marlin marlin mosby. >> obviously, there are some who want to try it in the media. marlin mosby made it quite clear she's not going to do that. again, i believe in her integrity. she is a brilliant young lawyer keep in mind this is a young lady whose mother and father was a police officer, whose grandfather was a police officer. that's why the fob, that among many other reasons supported her in her campaign and just because

people may not like a decision she made doesn't mean they have to prosecute. i stand by her decision. i said it before she made the decision that based on my, what i know about her, and her integrity her excellence whatever she decided. we will have by the way, you will have these attacks, this is what comes with the territory i practiced law for 20 years. i understand what they're doing. they're going to throw everything including the kitchen sink and the up poos at her. but again, we feed to let justice move forward. >> congressman, you were an attorney for some 20 years, if you had been on this case or you were opposing council, would you have asked her to step down because of these conflicts of interest?

>> i don't know, i don't know enough about it. again this is not unusual, they've tried to search every little fine thing they could find and put it out there and say, judge, we don't want her to be involved in this case. what they need to do is go back and say, you know this is the fop and others we support her. she decided the father daughter of two police officers you know she's somebody who has always proven to be a fair person. let her do her job. if the officers are innocent they'll be found innocent in the process. people go through this process every day. people in my block go through it every day. so i mean this is our process. this is our judicial system. i say, not in the media, but through the courts. >> we also know that the attorney general loretta lynch announced a pattern of practice investigation, we know commissioner batch supports it.

he says he in fact welcomes there. i want to know from you, as a man who is not only from baltimore, you live in baltimore. have you baltimore in your heart. do you believe your city has a problem? >> yes, i do. i do. i believe we have a steady our city has a problem and i think it's evidenced by having paid $6 million in settlements over the last five or six years for excessive force by police officers. the baltimore "sun" did an extensive article in the latter part of 2014 and they show the faces of people who have been beaten up they show and they talk about the elderly people who had been beten in the custody of police. some people unfortunately lost their lives. all of that shows we have a pattern of practice of excessive force and we've got to address that. >> i understand you got a busy day ahead of you. you are co-hosting an economic

forum, a middle class pros period of time product. can you tell us briefly about it? >> yeah senator warren and i have been doing this forum now we are today going to be in baltimore talking about how there are so many areas in our society and in our cities that have no banking services whatsoever and that people have to depend on pay day lenders and people who will give them advances for the irs refund checks and they're bigally doing, using predatory tactics to get money from these people. so we will be talking about that today. this is like i said the fifth in a series we are traveling around the country doing this helping people keep more money from her to paychecks. >> we know that. we know one of the under lying issues you look at the challenges that face that community. glad to know you are doing something where you can.

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a new potentially thorny issue there morning for hillary clinton. hillary brother tony rodham under scrutefully with various business projects. this is the more questions arise about transparency at the clinton foundation. >> let's weigh in what we know. cnn political analyst and presidential campaign correspondent for the "new york times," maggie haverman. let's start with the personal with hillary's brother, three years, they didn't report all of the things they were supposed to report about nations donating to the foundation. can it still be maggie, a bookkeeping oversight that can be prevented. >> the defense on everything has been we are transparent. we put it on the website. everybody can see it.

we keep hearing about actually this wasn't there and this wasn't there. so at a certain point, that i are going to i think get pressed to do greater disclosures or to be more open or to invite people in to look at their books. i don't think the status quo will hold. >> the fact that they didn't put it on their website doesn't that suggest they weren't all that comfortable with the funds they were getting from foreign contributors. >> as a condition of hillary clinton becoming secretary of state, the obama administration and hillary clinton said okay we have this foundation. we have issues here this could be a potential conflict of interest. we will have a full transparency. so the fact that it was full of hole one the clintons themself were not doing a good job of tracking this. the obama administration why weren't they going back to the clinton administration and saying we had a deal here? >> that would mean they knew

about it. >> that would mean it's a condition of you coming in as secretary of state, we had this deal. we want to make sure that you are fully providing compliant. >> they stayed focus on the clintons on who is to blame if anything went on here. you expect him to be he says there is no proof. where is the proof that somebody got something from the administration from the u.s. from one of the departments in exchange for what they gave. >> he is not wrong about. that that the a fair point. >> that has been the response to this peter sweitzer book. he is not so much quid pro quo. the problem is for her in general is the secondary answer with these disclosures is this was sloppiness. >> that is going to be the argument they will start using,

not about corruption. >> where is the proof is when alisyn is trying to bust me in criminal court. if it's about politics and trust assemblance of impropriety. something that smells bad is what you are to avoid. >> if disclosure has to be perfect, it will make it hard for hillary clinton to press a problem doing that. >> let's talk about this reporting from the new york sometimes e times, tony rodham has popped up from time to time with the clintons because the allegation is that hillary clinton parlaid his relationship with bill and hillary clinton to come up with sometimes dubious business deals for himself. >> you just laid it out pretty well right there. >> i mean look there has been an ongoing focus on the brothers rodham hillary clinton's

brothers and there is a sense of a narrative. well we are hanging on looking for help. what is striking about my story is there were these court tron scripts, tony rodham openly says i leaned on my brother-in-law to help me. i went through the clinton foundation that. stuff is very unhelpful. you will see it in potentially adds. >> we have an excerpt from this article in the "new york times," it says here, when mr. rodham was short on cash in 2010 mr. clinton helped him get a job raising investments in green tech automotive. an electric car company then owned by mr. mccullough and now the governor of virginia. don't we help our brothers? >> what's wrong with that? >> he's not a politician. bill clinton isn't in office. it doesn't seem to conflict with

ler job as secretary of state. i don't see that as a scandal. it seems if politics little brothers are there to embarrass their older. >> easy. easy. this is my show for -- >> it hurts because it's true. >> i think that the issue here i think reading it he talks about the foundation is there any issue? i totally agree, i think people forgive. you help your family you help your brother i went to the foundation for help. the foundation says there is no help for anything. it's not great. >> he plays to the risk and the reward t. rick is, though you overreach. him getting a job, you want us to look into anybody that you felt? that's the overreach here. that's the concern. that's why they have to stay specific and where their proof is will decide how bad it is.

>> it's with the clintons that people say they tend to overreach. >> that ends up favoring them. at least their supporters think they're getting hit. >> we'll see if that goes anywhere. >> you made my brother's day the best day he's had in watching this show. there is a lot of news, let's get right to it. >> dozens hurt this morning after a tornado strikes the town of van, texas. >> there goes the school. >> i laer the howling. the pieces of houses everywhere. >> i haven't seen anything like this in a long time. >> suspects are in custody, who police officer are dead. >> this is a time and opportunity we all need to pull together. >> isis has shown it is able to face a new level. >> we are definitely in a new phase in the global terrorist threat. >> the boston bombing trial

drawing to a close. >> one of the final witnesses. >> it's not that people are deeply rooted to the death penalty. they've never thought about it. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and mick what pereira. >> well come back to your new day. a deadly strong of tornadoes ripping apart communities throughout the middle of the country. the latest of a twister in van, texas, just east of dallas houses ripped to shreds. schools damaged. at least 26 people hurt. >> two people killed when a storm rolled through arkansas. in all, there have been 70 twisters slamming the coast. watch this. people here watch what happens to their community. that's the roof being torn off a high school. all right. so we went out there. we are covering this story like only cnn can. let's begin with our meteorologist jennifer grey.

what is it going to be like for them in terms of getting this community back together? >> chris, i'm fearful of what daylight will bring. it won't be until then until we hear a full scope. about 30% of the town damaged. i'm standing right in front of the elementary and junior high school class is cancelled for today. not surprising. look at all this you see trees, power lines littering the roads. trees snapped in half. metal hanging from tree tops out there. this is only a fraction of what happened over the weekend. breaking overnight, a sea of devastation in east texas after severe weather and a reported tornado touching down in the town of van. the county's emergency management team is describing the scene as a quote mass casualty incident. dozens of injuries were reported. there is significant damage and

a possible gas leak in the city of possibly 2600. this weekend. >> a pronounced funnel cloud and tornado if progress. >> reporter: over 70 reported from south dakota to texas. >> there with goes the school! >> reporter: this video shows a tornado hitting a high school in iowa. the school sheltering 100 people evacuated in the nick of time as tornado sirens flared. another tornado ripping through a small south dakota town injuring multiple people and damaging over 20 buildings. >> i step outside, there is no wind no rain no noises and then i can hear the howling. it sounded like an airplane. >> that was the first tornado i've ever seen in my life. >> reporter: on saturday a tornado struck eastland texas, killing one and injuring another critically. storms dumped rain and baseball size hail on parts of oklahoma resulting in floods. people carried to safety by

helicopters in denton county texas. since friday this area has received over ten inches of rain. and, chris the red cross is here. there is also a filter set up at the first baptist church in van. the people in east texas will be able to breathe easier today knowing the severe weather has all pushed to the east. chris. >> they have plenty to deal with regardless. that's for sure. thank you very much. so the remains of the first tropical storm of the year expected to dunk along the carolina coastline. anna made landfall sunday in south carolina. let's bring in chad meyers how did this size up in terms of what you were expecting? >> a 45-mile-per-hour subtropical storm is a warm core with a lot of rain. four to six inches about exactly what was forecast right over myrtle beach, now traveling up over hampton roads and offshore. we could see rain in

philadelphia baltimore, washington, d.c. light rain not four-to-six inches and more severe weather as jim was talking about back out here to the west. here's what wilmington and myrtle beach look like with rain coming down winds, look at that surf. you need to stay out of the water when it is like that. a rip current can take you off shore quickly when you have that much water pounding on shore a. myrtle beach golf weekend. i guess the greens are soft. six inches of rainfall over the weekend. anyone that spernt money to go onvation at the beach didn't see the beach much. >> thavgs so much for that. hattiesburg, mississippi, in mourning after the ill caning of two police officers this weekend, four suspects in custody. two face capital murder charges. cnn is live in hattiesburg for us. what itself the latest. >> reporter: alisyn good morning, all four suspects are expected to make their court

appearances behind me. at some point this afternoon there is also a vigil that is planned to honor and remember those fallen officers. >> did you do it? >> no, sir. >> reporter: asserting his innocence while being hauled into the police station. 26-year-old curtis banks, one of the now four suspects in custody this morning. two of them facing capital murder charges in connection with the shooting deaths of two police officers in southern mississippi. >> you never want this to happen to men and women that go out every day to protect us. men and women that go out every day to make sure we are safe. >> benjamin deen and i will liquori tate were shot and killed after a traffic stop in a hail of gunshots. they allegedly stole the cruiser and used it as a get away car.

authorities are only saying officer deen initiated the traffic stop called for back-up and officer tate responded to the call. deen was a seasoned officer who won officer of the year in 2012 for his department. the other, a rookie who joined the force in june of last year. >> this is my baby. this is my baby. and that's all i see is my baby. >> reporter: in an emotional interview with cnn,tate's father ronled says his son loved everyone and had a passion for policing. >> he was a guy that was willing to put his life on that risk. he really knew the risk. but he thought i think my son thought, you know people are generally good and that's just the way he was. he thought people are generally good people. so let's treat them all with dignitary.

>> reporter: the mayor of hattiesburg tells cnn officer deen was married and leaves behind two kwhirn. meanwhile, this is the first time in 30 years an officer has been killed in the line of duty in this town. alisyn. >> the more you know about these officer, the more it breaks your heart. in our next hour we will speak exclusively with the family members of liquori tate. they will reflect on what they want us to know about this brave man. lawyers for the six police officers charged in freddie gray's case want that case dismissed. they claim the state's attorney faces multiple conflicts of interest. sar have a sidner has more. >> reporter: they listed about five conflicts of interest. all of them have to do with relationships for the most part t. relationship that the mosby family including marilyn mosby with the attorney for the gray

family the relationship she has with her husband, of course who is a council member for the district that they both live in and where freddie gray was killed. certainly they want to see these charges go forward. it gives him political clout. there were several other mentioned. we heard some of these charges from the police union early on. now you see them in a full document submitted to the court. eventually the court will decide if marilyn mosby can move forward as the lead prosecutor in this case. one of her veteran prosecutors will likely take on this case if a judge allows that to happen. so that will be sort of the next court date that we basically see. also just to mention, chris, there was a big, big concert here last night a. rally for peace friends showed up. marlin mosby was there. she came on stage and waved to

the crowd. he talked to the young people a coupleday times, saying it is up to you the young people to fix it this time chris. >> sarah, thank you very much. we want to bring in d.c. chief kathy lanier. it's good to have you with us. when we think of police and violence often what grabs the headlines is when officers take somebody else' life. we have been hearing more and more about officers being taken down in the line of duty. obviously, we are dealing with what happened in mississippi. they say since 30 years since an officer has been killed in hattiesburg. do you believe that officers are being targeted more or are we paying more attention to what is the reality? >> well i think the reality is that everything is getting much more attention now t. numbers don't suggest right now there is an increase. we are right now so far this year right around the same number of officers killed in the line of duty last year. so i don't think that there is anything to suggest there is an

increase. but if you just watch the daily news every event between police officer and people in the community now is getting a lot of news coverage. so it will clang the perspective of what people are seeing. >> perception often becomes the reality. i hear you on that point. you police an area that has all of the problemsle playing at once. high poverty. a lot of police, a lot of interactions. i know the data is trending down in terms of excessive force, but are you hearing more from your community there you police their concerns about force? >> well i think the concerns that all of us in policing are hearing nationwide is just about the daily interactions. that's the key. it's not about the you know high profile sense of force. it's the daily interactions when bad things happen that cause tempers to boil over. so it's how you police the community every single day and

how you interact with people every single day that makes the difference when bad things happen. they're going to happen there is going to be conflict between police and people that they're placing under arrest at times. >> that should be the exception if not the norm. if there is a good relationship in the community the community will understand the police are working with the community to keep them safe. >> we hear from police all the time. we don't spend time for people. we are always there is for the worst moments. yet it comes down for the need for transparency especially when things go wrong. a big answer that has been suggested are body cameras. now, are you slow on body cameras. you have questions about them. why? people see them as almost a panacea of a cure-all here. >> actually we're one of the police departments of our size to roll things out. the question right now, we have the body cameras, we tested them. we are rolling out department

wide over the next year. the big question really is science hasn't kept up with the technology so the ability to appropriately redact videos that you can share them with the public but protect people's privacy, that's the dray right now. you want to use these cameras. as soon as you put it on you have increased ktdability. you have better interactions between the police and the public. >> right. >> just the fact that you have the cameras. you have interaction. the big debate right now is there is not any efficient way to redact these videos to share them openly with the public. >> the time you want them chief, when something goes wrong. it's not that people ask to see everything. when someone dies that raises concerns why wouldn't from your side why wouldn't you want that out there? it will show what you believe your officer did that was right and show everybody scrutinizing it what happened overail?

>> actually i want it all out there. i think the more video we can make available to the public the better off we are. i want the broadest distribution of video we can possibly grant the public. i think if there is a way to redact this all of it should be made available. that's the point. i don't think you should sell the technology as it catches up. once you put those body cameras on the interaction between the police officer and people in the community has already improved. because everybody acts a little differently when they're on camera. >> right. this sounds like it's getting spunned like you have concerns about this you are worried about it. ultimately you see it as a good thing? >> i think it's fantastic. it's one of the best technologies, we have toic make sure that we don't put it out in entirety that we violate

people's privacy. we have laws that protect juveniles' identities and non-involved parties from disclosure. if we're putting out every video we have everything a police officer sees will go on youtube. everybody will see it. so we have to be thoughtful about it. we have two roles here we have to protect people's privacy and provide accountability and public safety. you have to cover both. >> when you see these big flash point sixes, whether ferguson or what happened in bullet more. if the cops had body cameras on you would know almost from jump what happened when why, it made a dumbedal difference in both those situation, don't you think? >> i do. the body camera gives you start-to-finish interaction. that's the independent neutral party we want. i think the body cameras are a good thing. we have to be thoughtful how we share this with the public. we need to let the technology

keep up. >> chief, good work. alisyn. saudi arabia's new king reportedly giving president obama the cold shoulder. he was to attend a summit with fellow arab leaders at the white house and camp david. all that changed abruptly in a move some say is pushback for washington's iran policy t. saudi king says she cancelled to oversee a temporary cease-fire in yemen. home tland chief jimmie johnson admitting the u.s. has been slow to fight the terror group's strong use of social media. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr joins us with the latest to get ahead of it. >> reporter: good morning, it is the new normal. military basis now on a heightened state of alert. wore worries about lone wolf attacks, the federal government trying to track isis followers

more closely. as you say, the secretary of homeland security is talking a lot about this. i want you to listen to a part of what he just had to say. >> because of the use of the internet we could have little or no notice in advance of an independent actor attempting to strike. that's why law enforcement at the local level needs to be ever more vigilant. we are constarntly reminding this edge to do that. >> reporter: one of the issues they are facing is this isis use of social media of being online means they are recruiting new people and asking them essentially, ordering them to attack at the same time they never have to meet. they never have to see each other. that's what the u.s. is dealing with now. chris. >> all right. barbara, thank you for the reporting. appreciate it. all right. i want your take on this

situation. there is this graduation going on. there the a little problem with people getting dismissed, the principal gets up to say something. >> you people are being -- to not miss the best speech. it was my fault. now we missed it in a quote [ inaudible ] it's all black. all black. >> all right. now, obviously, the concern is that this was a racist remark. again, if people were leaving. they were dismissed accidentally. >> what did she say? >> she said look at that it's all black people. >> houston, we have a problem? >> yeah. she says what part did she say is all black people? >> people who were leaving, not sitting back down. she dismissed people too early before the valedictorian got up to speak. people are leaving. she's like sit down sit down

they're not listening. she says you are rude. look at that, all black people. she says she apologized and god has forgiven her. it wasn't a statement of racism just frustration. >> i'm sorry. in other news there is no mustard. >> and god has forgiven her. you got to get right with yourself. i think you have to worry about everybody else's feels as well. >> let us know what you mean mikaela will read them. more on the new phase in the fight against isis. is the terror group so savvy on social media or is the u.s. just lagging behind? osama bin laden was the biggest thing to happen on the war on terror. is everything we think about it false? there is an explosive new article that says just that. we will have the guy who wrote it on

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recruiters she and other lawmakers saying the has practice peld the u.s. into a new era of terror. nice to see you this morning. let's start by talking about what happened. they went to a higher security threat level. what was that about? >> it was very puzzling. they said there was no specific plot or threat that they were motivated by. they had a slow specific response. they put the basis on alert. my guess is they probably urged something on the internet. there is some kind of chatter they picked up. this is a part of this new world we are dealing with where it's very difficult to know what's out there in this vast and ever growing internet. >> does it seem to you that something shifted with the perception of isis here in the united states after the garland, texas attack.

it was filed, immediately the security guards shot the two attackers. however, it was after that the fbi director category out and said, actually there are thousands of people here followers of isis. >> i think what happened is that they realized that what isis was going to do was not direct. not planned, not even motivated these kind of attacks, but isis simply had created crazy whackos that can stir up entrepreneurs. if you look at what websites people are looking at or videos people are looking at and sharing exist in the thousands. now. what we don't know are these people rebel in the gore of those videos? are they motivated? the key here we talk about in

this documentary, is isis fixed out the internet. they fixed out there are a few thousand of these jihadis out there in the world. how do you get to them? well you need to have these videos go viral. get seen by tens of millions of people to find those 0.1%. it's like a direct marketing campaign. when we got the mailings the letter in the mail you you'd get the publisher sweepstakes. everybody always loads. 1% responded. you have to send it to lots of people. isis fixed out a way to send these videos to lots of people. make them brutal shoging. >> you are doing this documentary tonight could blind sided" do you feel u.s. law enforcement is blind sided be i the scope and reach? >> i think in two ways the first of this one which is the wind in which isis mastered the

web. it has figured out how to reach these handful of people in various different communities but who kwlektively add up to thousands of people. they learned to use the web to get stuff viral. attack those people if france in the united states. the second piece we were blind sided be i is just how weak iraq was. because isis' real threat if you think about it it was able then move into iraq. when we were i argue the great mistake is not that we didn't understand how strong isis was, we didn't understand how weak iraq had become. the iraqi army collapsed in one day. >> the iraqi army are some of the people the pimtary commanders in isis. >> saddam hussein. that's a fascinating point that we highlight. we think of isis about religion. obviously, there is a lot about

religion. the backbone of isis the general. the people commanding the military strike on all saddam hussein generals. this was completely for them it's just a way of getting back into power. >> i'm always torn when we talk about isis on the show which we do a lot. are we giving them too much power in the media? >> look it's a fascinating phenomenon. it is something we have to understand. it's a part of the modern world. it's the flipside of many of the good things about more members can have a big impact that you can connect with everybody around the world those things can be positive. i don't think it's a mistake to focus on it. understand it. you can exaggerate how powerful they are. we always try to give context. these gis will in the be able to take over the united states. there is not always an existtial

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weekend. two people were killed after storms there. in iowa it ripped the roof off a school. 34-year-old benjamin deen and 25-year-oldly liquori tate were sought during a traffic stop saturday night. four suspects are in custody. two facing capital murder charges a. third is charged with accessory, a fourth with obstruction of justice all due in court today. seymour hirsch accusing the obama relationship about high level lying. he says the else is that pakistan was holding bin ladin prisoner. the u.s. was tipped off by a former pakistani intelligence officer on his whereabouts in exchange for $25 million. hirsch says his source is an unnamed, retired, senior u.s. intelligence official. we will have hirsch on the show to talk about his claims coming up in a little bit.

right now, let's discuss this latest report and what's going on here in the fight against isis. ron johnson the chairman of the governmental affairs, are you the right man to have this discussion. congratulation on your first grandkid first of all, family first, a special mother's day. >> i tell you what a husband, dad, grandpa, there is no greater title to those. so it doesn't get any better. >> obviously, now you have a grandkid to worry about, a renewed sense of urgency. let's look back first, do you believe the u.s. government lied about bin ladin? >> i met with federal agent flynn. he is pushed out of office because he was complaining internally how this administration shut down the

analysis of the treasure trophy of the -- trove gained in that event. the reason they shut down the analysis of it according to general dplin is they didn't like the results. it wasn't confirming their narrative is al qaeda was decimated on the run so general flynn. we need to pay attention, i can't believe this hasn't gotten more publicity, said this foreign policy is basically being predicated on willful ignorance. that's a serious charge from a serious individual. i don't believe that. we saw pictures of the downed helicopters. will is too much corroborateing testimony. >> too many people had to lie t. question becomes why? what would have been the upside? >> yeah. >> you are taking it in a different direction. hirsch is wrong the truth is somebody that's also bad for the administration. you are saying they haven't analyzed the data. how would you prove that?

>> talk to general flynn. understand his viewpoint and just take a look at president obama. it was january, 2014 looking at isis. there is a certain amount of delusion here in terms of trying to deny the reality of what we're dealing with in this country. >> fair bushback, though all you guys got isis wrong. it's all saddam's old guys? you did kind of sleep on this threat. >> the president is a commander in chief. he runs the agencies he runs the defense department. he is commander in chief of our administration. >> you wind up getting a duality. coming is sleeping on that they don't want to do it. the political implications at least that's suspected? >> i would say we are not really debating it. what president obama is asking for is an authorization weaker than the one he is using right now. i was strong in those hearings

talking about hears a real declaration of war against japan, where we pledged every facet of this country, japan. i also point out how tenuous the authorization that this administration is using right now. they're using it. they got the legal justification. it's a far stronger authorization than the one president obama is asking for right now. chris from my standpoint if we want to start defeating, you know and protect this nation keep it secure from let's say home grown extremists. we need to make sure isis has defeated they're perceived as losing as opposed to right now, the winner's message. they're perceived as winning, as long as they are perceived as winning, they will continue to inspire the type of terrorist activity we saw in texas last sunday. >> you vow you want the iran deal to be treated as a treaty. it needs two-thirds organization of this senate to then become ratified by the president.

>> what's the concept, have them involved affirmatively approving of any deal. >> his partner on the left voted it down. >> they were trying to preserve the underlying bill. >> for corker understood this was the only bill that democrats and president obama would support and again understand what a low threshold approval that is? i won't go through the entire details. basically, 34 senators can approve this deal. it will get the rubber stamp of approval by congress. >> they're changing as an executive order. >> an executive deal if i think it should be an executive right. affirmatively approved by at least a majority of both houses. >> but if you look at that you look at that situation, and you look at what's going on with the fawn debate on the use of force, really you have to point, the old saying you point a finger at him. four fingers back at you. you won't even debate it.

fought you? >> but we did have a debate. in foreign leelgs e relations under the last congress and this a problem that certainly republicans have is that the authorization to produce military force president obama is asking for from congress weakens his authority, his power. >> we have but again we also know, we can count votes. we also realize that they're trying to pass something will not be possible. >> it's the criminal principle. you got to make that choice. >> i don't think we can pass something through the senate that president obama is looking for right now. so from my standpoint he is using this authorization. what i'm looking for from this president is a commitment a. compliment to achieve the goals he himself, has stated. degrade and ultimately defeat isis the sooner the better. i'm not seeing that commitment to the success of that goal. >> what we see now is the risk is every bit as real and more so than we ever imagined.

it seems social media and congratulating those that do terrible things is the enough. so you are saying the threat couldn't be more real is what we are doing to stop it. >> the sooner we defeat them we don't them the territory so we can close down this caliphate, the better off we are going to be in terms of denying them their ability to inspire action because it's going to be incredibly difficult for isis to say tear winning organization when the caliphate gets shut down. again, we haven't committed the resources we need to defeat isis on the ground. we are seeing that in iran. it's dangerous for the region. you see the new saudi king snubbed the president because he's so concerned that thissed a min stwrags is not backing the allies in the region instead, you do this deal with iran basically ceding power to iran in the region. >> he shows up to have a meeting with the president. one thing for sure he won't be

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ention. lawyers are planning to call a sister to the stand. she was a nun depicted by susan sarandon in the film "young man walking" could she sway jurors whether or not to put tsarnaev to death? let's ask our analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson and commentator. it's good to have you both here. happy monday the day after mother's day, let us talk about this. what's the concern about her testimony? why is it causing so much

controversy? >> well good morning, the reason why there is concern about this nun testifying is because in the language of a death penalty case this jury is what we call death qualified and it means that all 12 members of this jury have taken an oath. they say they are not quote morally opposed to the death penalty, mikaela. >> that they could under the appropriate circumstances impose the death penalty. what the defense wants to do is to put this nun on the stand who has spent decades counseling death row inmates. she is morally opposed to the death penalty. certainly what the prosecution is worried about you have a jury who can impose the penalty. now you will put on the leading anti-death penalty advocate no no no mikaela. >> so joey you select jurors that are not morally opposed and

then you bring in someone who speaks from a moral center. it was you, would you ask? >> after the defense attorney this is a brilliant strategy a good move. certainly you can't fault the defense for trying to do this. i think it's important to the case they're having. ultimately there are things this case is about and not about. it's not about a referendum on the appropriateness on the death penalty t. moralness. >> that's a discussion to have elsewhere. >> in fact they had that discussion during jury selection. >> during jury selection, you have a death penalty qualified jury. that's to say onto the appropriate circumstance they could do it. if you have a nun saying the bishop put out a letter in a statement saying he will be incarcerated regardless he's away from society. this could have much influence

the jury. i don't see how the judge allows it. what does it how does the prosecution counter the testimony of this sort of celebrity nun so morally against it? >> you know, it's a great question. i disagree. i think they will allow it. one of the reasons why is the number one reason why death penalty cases are reversed is because of the death penalty phase and allows mitigateing factors in. while she will be restricted i suspect in speaking about her personal opinion, she could easily be qualified as an expert on death row conditions. she could be qualified as an expert on the death penalty, itself. >> how do you deal -- first of all, you will cross examination her and you can actually get ler to admit like they did with the

prison warden that was on last week and get her to admit that not everybody that's convicted of the death penalty get the death penalty. people on death row oftentimes, particularly under scheduling are ultimately at peace when they get killed. so you could have her if you cross examination her effectively, lower the horror show by having her talk about in a very ironic sense her work counseling death row inmates, mikaela. >> i think it's a fabulous point that mel makes. you know to some degree she ways me if i'm proposing over the case to limited testimony. >> is it concerning? >> listen they are having people testify for a mitigation piece a. nun, it seems to me. and there is a ruling that says listen it's not so much a ruling as the law, that says you

can allow relevant testimony or ban all fight. if it leads to the confusion of the sto jury that's another story. in the event you have a judge allowing testimony from a person who spent their life saying this is morally wrong, in the event the judge limits the testimony, under any other circumstance now i the not see this judge allowing this nun just to testify randomly about her being opposed to the death penalty. we should not apply it. i don't see it happening. >> parallel and joey thank you so much for joining us on this monday. twice us #cnn. can you post your comments on facebook.com/newday. alisyn. new data shows there are more high paying jobs across the country. that's good news. what does it mean for the u.s. economy? your business headlines next. ut of here! ahh... the complete balanced nutrition of great tasting ensure. with nine grams of protein... and 26 vitamins and minerals.

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a reported tornado this morning in van, texas. officials say at least 26 people are injured. >> i hear the howling. >> i haven't seen anything like this in a long time. >> did you do it? >> no, sir, i didn't do it. >> suspects are in custody and two police officers are dead. >> this is my fate. i'm trying to come to grips with. >> the united states has

conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden. >> the headline is that the story that you've heard is not true. >> i think that the nation has assessed no first lady ever had. >> i had to ignore all of the noise and be true to myself. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, michaela pereira. >> good morning, welcome to "new day." it is monday may 11th 8:00 in the east and we do begin with breaking news this morning. the sun rising on devastation in texas, ten people missing after reported tornado ravaged the city of van, texas, just east of dallas. search teams are using k-9 units now to find survivors. >> the tornado outbreak hit from south dakota to texas this weekend and we have all the angles for you. jennifer grey in hard hit van, texas, now that it's daylight, what are you seeing jennifer? >> reporter: well we are seeing

widespread destruction, allison, and the news here getting work as the van county fire marshal ten people unaccounted for using k-9s today to search for them. we are standing a little ways from the school. we are pushed back because of all the downed power lines, but they are still using that brick building behind me as a gym, and i walked up there a few homes ago and it suffered major damage. the roof completely gone. you can see insulation hanging from the inside most of the windows are completely blown out, and what was once inside of that building a lot of it is spread all over the lawn in front of it. we have trees behind me that are completely snapped in half tin and metal just wrapped around those, and so the destruction is widespread here in van. we hear that several homes are a total loss. we were talking to folks here that grew up here they actually went to school in the school behind me and they said it feels like their entire childhood has just been destroyed, so people here really taking it hard as you can

expect. of course red cross is here. we do have a shelter set up here at the first baptist church but the community is definitely coming together allison. folks have been bringing in water by the truck loads, they are helping their neighbors, going door to door to make sure everybody is okay but as you can see from behind me the cleanup is definitely going to take some time. >> absolutely. that community will really have to rely on each other during all this. jennifer thanks so much for that. so, remnants of the first tropical storm of the year expected to dump rain on the carolina coastline today. cnn meteorologist chad myers joins us now with the forecast. what are we expecting, chad? >> more rain on top of places that already had six inches of rainfall including myrtle beach. not much of a beach vacation this weekend. the rain continues across eastern carolina and all day long. we'll get rain up towards hampton roads, but the big story is how much rainfall six to ten inches of rain came down and here's what the water looked like when this storm came

onshore. i understand it's only a tropical storm, 45 to 50 miles per hour but you can't be in that kind of water, because that type of surf can rip you back out to the ocean in those rip currents that we always talk about. a beach vacation in myrtle beach didn't look so good this week. the greens were soft safe to say, six to eight inches of rainfall in that community over the weekend and it continues to move to the north, not northeast, eventually offshore bring some showers to philadelphia to d.c. maybe baltimore, but just showers. chris, i know it's early in the season last time we had a really big ana early in the season 12 years ago, it was not retired, so the name is still there. they recycle them every six years. we had 16 named storms this year. >> i'm going the other way because of that el nino. you said el nino will make it less numerous a storm season i'm using your own words against you in the interest of less bad weather. >> fair enough. we'll talk in october. >> doesn't get better than that you beating you, chad you still

win in some weird level. all right, four suspects being held in connection with a killing of two mississippi policemen and they are due in court today. two of them are facing capital murder charges, meaning they could get the death penalty. the officers they were gunned down saturday night during a traffic stop. we have cnn's alina machado in hattiesburg. what do we know? >> reporter: those court appearances will take place at some point today here in hattiesburg, mississippi, and there's also going to be a vigil to honor and remember those two fallen officers. asserting his innocence while being hauled into the police station. 26-year-old curtis banks, one of the now four suspects in custody this morning, two of them facing capital murder charges in connection with a shooting death of two police officers in

southern mississippi. >> never want this to happen. the men and women who go out every day to protect us, the men and women who go out to make sure we're safe. >> benjamin deen and liquori tate were gunned down saturday night. police say curtis and his brother marvin fled the crime scene, allegedly stealing a police cruiser and using it as a get away car. authorities have divulged little else only saying officer deen initiated the traffic stop called for backup and that officer tate responded to the call. deen was a seasoned officer, who won officer of the year in 2012 for his department. the other, a rookie who joined the force in june of last year. >> this is my baby. >> i know. >> this is my baby. and that's all i see is my baby. >> reporter: in an emotional

interview with cnn, tate's father ronald said his son, "loved everyone and had a passion for policing." >> he was a guy who was willing to put the risk out there, put his life on that risk and really knew the risk but he thought -- i think my son just thought, you know people are genuinely good. and that's just the way he was. he thought people are genuinely good people so let's treat them all with dignity. >> reporter: the mayor of hattiesburg tells cnn officer deen was married and leaves behind two children. meanwhile, this is the first time that an officer is killed in the line of duty in 30 years. chris and allison? >> thanks so much for all of that background. well officer tate's mother and step father yolanda and lonny ross join us along with his sister they join us from their home in jackson, mississippi. this is their first interview since officer tate's death. i want to thank all of you for

being on "new day." we are so so sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> yolanda, i want to start with you and what happened saturday night. can you tell us what happened? we understand that when you got the phone call that something had gone terribly wrong with this traffic stop. you raced to the hospital in hattiesburg and how did you get the news there? >> actually it was my daughter who received a phone call from one of her friends who knew my son, and from that point, you know we all gathered and rushed to the hospital. on the way, we got a phone call from the mayor, and -- he told us he'd meet us there at the hospital. >> so the mayor called you and told you what had happened. and lonny, when you got to the hospital i know that there were just scores of other police

officers there in the waiting room. what was their reaction when they saw you? >> it was -- i mean it was overwhelming the emotion. actually when we got to the hospital we still did not know he was dead and the mayor waited until we actually got into the hospital. i was surrounded by police the city of hattiesburg staff was there also in abundance and they took us in the room and when we got the news of course, we fell out in grief. it was amazing, the police officers as well as staff and the mayor, they fell out with us in grief and grieved with us. it was really very emotional. we walked through and saw the family of the other officer whose life was taken, as well and we knew this was something much more serious than we could have imagined before we walked in to the hospital. >> there's something so wrenching about hearing how you

got the news and fell down to the ground in grief and the officers went down with you and everyone was together in their grief. that really paints such an emotional picture for all of us. alonte you and your brother were just 11 months apart. you were almost considered twins, and i understand that you were the last person to talk to him just 45 minutes before his death. can you tell us about that conversation? >> well i have this security alert on my phone, where if i press the power button three times, it will send a message to him for him to call me right away. and i accidently pressed it while in the store looking for a mother's day gift with my younger siblings and my grandmother, and he called me at 6:59 just saying that i was just checking on you, because i got the alert.

and that's how he's always been. he's -- i've done it accidently several times in the past and he would always call to make sure i was all right. >> and i know that -- >> i didn't know that would be the last time i'd hear his voice. >> yeah. i know that you considered him your protector. he wasn't just a police officer in the community, he was your protector in the family. what made him like that? ike a big brother to me, you know? he would constantly come by in his patrol car around my

apartment, just to check on me. he would call send me a text message, just making sure i was all right. he's just always been that protector over me cautious trying to tell me how to watch my back and don't be out late at night, look around, be aware of my surroundings before i get out of my car. keep my doors locked you know at times when i was naive about those kind of things he would be the one to you know get me on track with that and to remember that to be safe. >> yolanda, we understand that he really was excited about becoming a police officer. in fact we had his facebook post from june 11th 2014 where he wrote, "i graduated the police academy today, i am now a police officer. i would like to thank god, the police academy, the police department my family friends, and loved ones." tell us why that was so important to him.

>> he always wanted to be a police officer since he was young. playing with police cars and xbox games and just having that protective spirit that has always been one of his dreams. >> lonnie tell us what you want us all to know about liquori. >> well, we called him coco. his mother nicknamed him that. most people who know him know him as coco. he will always be remembered as a very respectful young man, very balanced you know he loved life. he was fun, he was a fun guy, he was a jokester he knew how to enjoy life. he loved his mama's cooking, loved to eat, and the thing i'll remember the most of course is every time he came here to jackson with us he has three

younger siblings here, and it's like a rock star walks in the house. they just go crazy -- coco coco! i'm going to remember that and miss that tremendously how much he was loved and how much he loved and what a balanced young man that he was, a great example and a very humane police officer. knew how to treat people with dignity and with great humanity. >> well you all do liquori's memory so proud. thank you for joining us to share your personal feelings about him. it helps us understand what we've lost. thank you so much to all of you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> let's get over to michaela. >> the country grieves with the families of officer tate and officer deen. in other news president obama apparently snubbed by saudi arabia's king. the pair were supposed to meet at a summit with other leaders at the white house and camp david this week but that changed abruptly just ahead of

the trip. why? cnn's white house correspondent has been doing digging. what did you find out, michelle? >> this seemed kind of weird, happened on friday the white house was announcing the new saudi king salomon was going to meet for the one on one, but at the same night the saudis were announcing that's not going to happen and, in fact the king wasn't traveling at all. now there are very few actual leaders who are going to show up for this big event that the president invited them to at the white house and camp david. the question of course, is is this a snub or is it not a snub? both the white house and the saudis are insisting it is not a snub. the saudis are calling it a scheduling issue. the white house keeps emphasizing how important these regional partners are in fighting isis dealing with syria, with yemen, for regional stability while the u.s. is negotiating this nuclear deal with iran. it's no secret of course many of these gulf states are very

concerned about what's going on with iran so the question is does this very high profile series of no shows mean they are less happy than expected how things are going with iran or possibly are they liking for more security and military reassurance from the u.s. than the u.s. is willing to give? back to you guys. >> michelle thanks so much for that. well eight wire members in china on the mend this morning after a stage fell beneath their feet the terrifying ordeal caught on camera this weekend. the group was performing at a contest when this collapse happened. oh, my -- gosh. we're happy to say, sounds like none of the victims were seriously hurt. >> all fell at once too, did you see that? that was wild. so the king delivers. lebron james' buzzer beater lifts the cavaliers over the bulls, evening up the series at two a piece. your clippers one win away from

reaching their first ever conference final. first ever! >> go clips. >> they beat the rockets 128-95. tonight's a big night, memphis grizzlies look to take a 3-1 lead over steph curry. this was a shocker for a lot of people and the golden state warriors s warriors. they had the best record in the league. >> it's so hard to be a sports fan out east. >> this is the mecca of sports. >> how do you stay up late? >> for you. >> yeah 7:00 bedtime, miss all the good games. really a problem. >> internet. >> i would be a huge sports fan. the bedtime thing. >> that and the stuff flying around and the people hitting each other. >> and the lack of knowledge also gets in my way. is everything we know about the bin laden raid a lie? were officials in pakistan in on this plan all along and did the u.s. pay $25 million for help? a new article raising all of these questions and more. we have the reporter behind that new article defending his findings coming up.

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today, at my direction, the united states launched a targeted operation against that compound in aipakistan. the americans carried out with extraordinary capabilities no americans were harm. they took care to avoid civilian causalities. after a firefight, they killed

osama bin laden and took custody of his body. >> taking out osama bin laden. just a huge moment for the american war on terror. question now is was president obama's account of the raid that killed bin laden a lie? that is the claim in a stunning new article by noted investigative journalist seymour hersh. he joins us now to defend the reporting. mr. hersh, thank you for joining us on "new day." >> okay. >> the basic headline here is pakistan knew where he was, they were keeping him there, and one of their own turned him over essentially, to the u.s. why do you believe that story, especially leaning so heavily on just one anonymous source? >> well i don't think that's correct to say one anonymous source. the story says clearly that i was able to vet and verify information with others in the community. very tough for guys still inside to get quoted extensively. there are other people who america uses a an awful lot of

retired cia people military people in the war on terror and other people who have retired with great information, so it's much easier to quote some of them than those on active duty. i've been around a long time long of tooth in this business and understand the consequences of saying what i'm saying. >> but a lot of the detail you have in the piece, some 10,000 words, does come from this unnamed source and that's why it's drawing some fire but, you know you get in the particulars of it what is the main reason why this would be a lie? why would it be covered up if it was really just a cooperative agreement with pakistan? where's the motive? >> well no the motive is very simple. the idea of course was we did have a walk-in, that's what the cia calls somebody who comes in and sort of betrays his company or country for money. he took most of the $25 million, at least $20 of it that was the offer we had on the table for information leading to the whereabouts of bin laden that had been going on. we had that offer outstanding

since 2002 so some guy walks in basically involved in the protection of bin laden on behalf of the pakistani intelligence service and we start from there. >> how do you think a guy walks into the islamabad embassy, certainly this person would know how closely watched it is by pakistani authorities. how would someone just walk in and give this kind of information? >> i don't know the details of how he walked in. >> matters. >> of course it does but it's not -- i can tell you right now, he talked to the station chief, a man named jonathan bank confident officer, and the cia and the government did what you do in a case like this give this guy a poly graph test a team came out from washington to do so. always worry about a walk-in. a lot of them have a lot of reasons that aren't particularly reliable or tasteful so they worked him to the bone, then began to do the issue and realized the president was asking a lot of very good questions, how do we know it's really bin laden, et cetera and we realized we had to go talk to

the pakistanis keeping him and eventually agreed to cooperate us. they didn't have much choice. we could cut off our supply of arms and money under the tables to the generals and we did so and they worked with us. of course they worked with us. the alternative is you want to believe a lewis carroll fairytale, bin laden, the most hunted man since 2002 in the world, decided the one safe place to live is in a compound 40 miles from the main capital of pakistan. >> that's the point of intrigue that's always been a point of skepticism that we all thought he was hiding in some honey comb cave somewhere and turns out he was right down the street from the equivalent of their west point. with that as a starting point point -- >> pretty good starting point. >> i don't need to tell you the trade, you've been doing it at such a high level for such a long time but the idea we were

working with them and after the pakistani government condemns us unconditionally for doing it just doesn't seem they were owning their own narrative. why wouldn't pakistan come out and say we gave you this guy, we helped you? >> well the idea was, the understanding was, first of all, bin laden's very popular inside pakistan. majority of the unwashed of the people there, most of the public really respected and liked bin laden, especially for sticking it in the eye of america. we're not very popular in pakistan. things are a little better now, but for many years we were very very low, low in the totem pole in terms of respect. the idea was, we were going to go in -- you know if you have to think about this, a team of s.e.a.l.s, our s.e.a.l.s are the best go into the middle of pakistan take out a guy with no air cover, no protection, no security no trouble. are you kidding me? what happened was, the deal was we weren't going to announce it. they were going to take him out.

they had to kill him, that was the agreement. no question this was an assassination from the get go despite what the white house says. they had to kill him, had to bring the body out, then announce the initial plan was, the plan everybody agreed to it would be announced seven to ten days later as the result we did a drone hit in the hindu cush mountains that separate pakistan and afghanistan and my god, we took a look there was a tall guy, turned out to be bin laden, did a dna test and the president was going to announce it a week later. everybody in pakistan is protected. >> what happened? >> the president decided that night to go public. >> look he just double crosses the people who handed him something, especially this president, who's bent over backwards to be nice to pakistan? on the s.e.a.l. side you have they were training for a raid that you say they didn't need to do. why were they training so hard? you have it in utah but it was supposedly in nevada then you have the s.e.a.l.s telling such a different account. they would all have to be lying for what you're saying to be

true and we had peter bergan who went to the compound before they destroyed it and said the place was riddled with bullets and was, obviously, the scene of a firefight, not to mention we lost a bird in this the helicopter going down. all of that would have to be untrue other than the helicopter going down for your account to be true. why put so much stock in it? >> because i did an awful lot of work talked to a lot of pakistanis one of the things that made the story doable now, is the fact a former retired head of the pakistani intelligence service basically said to me look you got the story. we all know this is true. we've all known this is true for a long time. he's talking about the insiders. >> didn't say that to bergan. he said look i don't know the facts, but it is plausible. that's not exactly endorsement. >> that's not what he said in the magazine article. >> we have a graphic. put up what we're saying the reporting is there so we can have it. when i e-mailed dourrani he said

there was no evidence of any kind the isi knew that bin laden was hiding in abbottabad. >> that's not what he said in the article and that's not what he said in many many exchanges by phone, by e-mail. the sentences in the article are very definitive. he understood there was a walk-in. of course everybody knew that's what happened in the pakistani side. also quoted somebody i could not name in the pakistani who's very knowledgeable about pakistan saying the same thing. look i'm sorry it goes against the grain. i've been doing this all my life. all i can tell you is i understand the consequences i've been a reporter as you know for 50 years in this town. had a lot of good stories. >> not everything turns out the way you think it's going to turn out, even in your own career. that's the basis of the business. something -- >> i would argue that a lot of the stories i wrote pretty much were on mark.

i'm not going to -- nobody's perfect, of course everybody's done bad stories. >> which stories you decide to go out on a limb for and on this one -- >> i'm not out on a limb that's just your definition. i'm sorry durrani was under pressure i have no idea what he said. we were back and forth in e-mails. >> if he doesn't say the same to peter bergen and bergen sees the scene of the firefight, s.e.a.l.s know what happened saudis putting this guy up in pakistan when the saudis hate him and revoked his citizenship. why would the saudis be paying for the keep of osama bin laden? you didn't find that hard to believe? >> not if you think about the fact the last thing the saudis wanted the pakistanis to do was give us access to bin laden because then bin laden might tell us who was financing him in those years in 2001 2002 when he did the damage he did. >> the pakistanis as you know have handed people over quietly before. why wouldn't they have done it

that way? why this elaborate rouse this way? >> it wasn't a rouse, it was an understanding it would be announced by the president seven to ten days later. i'm waiting for the white house to deny the story. they haven't done anything public yet. >> they are no commenting now. >> why not? >> i think it's a safe bet they don't buy it. i think they don't want to give too much fuel to the fire. i think they'd rather it go away as something to be dismissed. why aren't the pakistanis owning it yeah hersh has it right? >> why? because if the two generals involved admitted publicly that they knew all about the invasion and attack in advance, they would have a hard time being safe. they'd need an awful lot of security. the option for them once the president made public made that surprise announcement believe me to the pakistanis the option for them was to say, yes, you're right, we didn't know a thing about it and take the heat that way. and, in fact the pakistani military is a very proud

institution, it was a big blow to their whole image and the country. it was a very unhappy time for the pakistanis. >> it would have to be but one of two things has to be true either they found him as you suggest and they took him and were holding him for leverage and they didn't want anybody to know because they are so afraid because everybody loves bin laden, or they would have immediately turned him over to the united states to show they actually were a good friend and i had interviewed the former president there more than once about this and there's no question a problem for them about what to do with bin laden if they got him. but they can't have it both ways you know well we would turn him over if we got him, but we got him and didn't turn him over we were holding him as leverage but when we do decide for you to have him, stage it as a raid and make us look like we're idiots and on the wrong side of this war. how does pakistan win in this? >> he was out of office at this time. of course you're not going to share it. you're going to keep this a pretty tight secret.

look -- >> they looked bad in this is what i'm saying seymour. >> they look bad now. no they look bad now. >> even the way they planned it would have looked bad for them. >> what choice did they have? what choice did they have when somebody on the inside walks into the american embassy, and that's the only way i can describe it. of course everybody in pakistan knows who he is and, of course even i know who he is and where he is. we're not talking about that. what if somebody walks in and says here's the story. what can they do? they are stuck. and the best thing they could do once we let them know we knew they had him there, had him there since at least '06, picked him up somewhere in the mountainside wherever he was hiding. i think somewhere in the pakistan borders and the intelligence service picked him up put him in the compound he'd been there four years, he was a prisoner there. they had to go along with us. the best way you could do it would be to have the s.e.a.l.s come in.

the s.e.a.l.s came in with no air cover, no you know if there was a big firefight -- >> the administration released administration they knew holes in the radar and these ships used could get through without the radar picking them up and that's why they did the mission the way they did and practiced it for so long in nevada as opposed to utah as you suggest in the reporting. why doesn't that all smell right? >> if i'm wrong about utah that's just a mistake, because i know exactly where they were in nevada. sometimes my geography gets lousy. any case the bottom line was, you know i can sit there and argue with you all week and all day about it. the story is a long story, there's a lot of information in it. it's not just -- it is one source one person who's quoted but i make it very clear others were involved. i'll take it a step further, the information i have suggested, the whole notion of being buried at sea is probably not correct. the story was, it would have been a good clean mission if we

hadn't gone public that night and said we did it. instead of waiting the week we were supposed to. that was the game. if you think about it that way, you realize it's a lot more sense, the pakistanis were confronted with the fact we knew something they didn't want us to know they had no choice but to cooperate because we have a lot of economic leverage on them the generals we put a lot of money into pakistan. >> i'm just saying that you've made a big wager here with a pedigree that extends many years. >> excuse me excuse me that's your definition. this is not a wager. this is a story that has to be dealt with by this government very seriously. >> understood and we'll see how they deal with it going forward. again, just for the audience's benefit, this is something peter bergen looked into mr. hersh, thank you very much for going on to defend the reporting, appreciate it here on "new day." >> bye-bye. >> what do you think about what you heard from mr. hersh? you can read the piece, obviously, it's 10,000 words long. tweet us or post your comment on

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all right. well investigative reporter seymour hersh was on "new day" minutes ago. he was defending a new report suggesting that the white house lied about the man hunt that killed osama bin laden. does hersh's report pass the smell test? >> the white house lied, pakistan lied the s.e.a.l.s lied saudis lied. everybody's lying. let's have some people on here to tell the truth. cnn political commentator ben ferguson and political commentator and host of huff post live lamonte hill. that's my main take away having just interviewed him, for this to be true what hersh has in his reporting, and again his pedigree is long everybody's lying, ben, not just some people. >> i highly doubt the s.e.a.l.s are lying.

they have a pretty big code of integrity when it comes to raids and what's happened and look at the heat those have taken from other s.e.a.l. members. i can't imagine they would allow this lie to be taken this far and to be a part of it. and also like you said you have multiple governments that would have had to lie for this to happen. i'm not buying it at all. i'm not saying they weren't maybe protecting it or some people in pakistan knew where he was on an area where he was, i think that's very very realistic, but overall, no. >> two of the big claims that seymour hersh is saying is pakistan knew all along where he was and that there was no firefight when the navy s.e.a.l.s rushed in. >> that's a tough claim. absolutely no firefight, because as chris said means a bunch of people are lying, but not just a bunch of people but a bunch of people who historically and by practice don't cover for each other. it doesn't make sense to me. the idea that pakistan could have in some way had access to information or intelligence about bin laden's whereabouts -- >> weird where he was, we

thought he was in the mountains and he was right down the street from the equivalent of their west point. that's always been a point of intrigue. >> that is curious, and it would be bad for business in terms of stability in the region and political strength for pakistan to have known where it was and not revealed it so there is some clausibility to this argument pakistan would be lying at some point, but the idea everyone is lying. >> the thing is not having a firefight, you're telling me that people that pledge allegiance to do things like 9/11 to blow up buildings, ships, all these things al qaeda has done as terrorists all of a sudden america comes in and lay down your arms and say we don't want to fight? especially if you're willing to live in a hole with osama bin laden, think about how isolated that's a role in al qaeda much more isolated than any other role. you have to be so quiet, you have to cut off virtually all of your family contacts. you're not living even close to a normal life and they come in hey, don't shoot me? >> peter bergen went to the

compound before they destroyed in abbottabad and said it was riddled with bullets, but on the other side why would hersh go with a story that has this many holes if he didn't feel confident in the people he was talking to? >> i don't think this is a salacious journalism he could be wrong, but sincerely wrong. first of all, relied on one senior official. >> he said he talked to a lot of people. >> other people haven't said publicly at least, that this story is true. saying something is plausible is very different than saying something affirmatively happened. >> anything's possible when you have a guy this close to their west point. there is a very good chance you might have one or two people that knew where he was and they didn't give him up. >> okay. >> for whatever reason but to say they were protecting him? i don't know if i would buy that. >> but if there is something in seymour hersh's investigative reporting, if there is a germ of truth somewhere and if it turns out the administration fudged or fabricated what happened that night, then what does that mean for the administration?

>> it means everything else -- >> i disagree, i think if they lied and there's something you can prove, they did not tell the american people or the world the actual story that happened then everything else in his article now becomes plausible to people. well they lied to us about this and lied about this misled us on this so now maybe i do believe more of this. >> i took what you're saying to mean if we verify much is not provable but one thing is overstated their own military their intelligence or the isi, i think that is problematic, but i think we may overestimate how much the american people and global community care how much osama bin laden got killed. i'm not saying it's appropriate, but that's typically how people see it. >> i cannot imagine osama bin laden being taken and thinking that somehow he was going to end up in american hands without laying down a fight or the people in front of him. that's the part to me i cannot see in any circumstance where he's going to say, okay here's

my weapon let's go to trial, hand me over to another country. there's no way that was a blaze of glory going down. >> what would be the logic, what would be the motivation for the president to say that we had absolutely no outside help this was a purely u.s. mission? >> pakistan didn't want to have blood on their hands because of possible people they would anger their own society saying hey, this is all america, i don't want any part of this. >> then it becomes a conspiracy between the united states and pakistan. >> pakistan put out really hard statements after saying this was a complete rejection of their sovereignty, and hersh's theory is they have a plan everybody was going to acknowledge it and went wrong because the president decided -- >> sounds like a house of cards more than an actual political -- i don't buy it. i don't buy it. >> ben, mark thank you. great to see you guys. well it's graduation season lots of commencements happening. first lady michelle obama speaking candidly in obama. her passionate speech and

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a mom, not enough of a career woman? >> want to bring in cultural critic and writer michaela angela davis. when you're the first you know you're going to be up against it. what was your overall thought about how she opened up so personally about her remarks? >> you know i just thought she was really honest. when you look out into a crowd and you see a sea of black scholars immediately your heart opens and you get, you know if not 100% she was 90%. and i loved how she met them where they were and had them feel like she had challenges too. right? so i felt like this was her speech on race. >> want to play another little bit from that. talking about those early days in office. take a listen to this. >> back in those days i had a lot of sleepless nights worrying about what people thought of me. wondering if i might be hurting my husband's chances of winning his election. fearing how my girls would feel if they found out what some

people were saying about their mom. >> that is real. >> real talk. >> i'm curious, do you think she would have made those comments could she have said those comments four or five years ago? >> i think that's interesting. i think both the president and the first lady are getting more open. they have nothing left to win. you know. but i think that she spoke to the complexities of the negotiations that black women have to do in any given space. right? she's certainly rarefied and privileged but even she has to negotiate gender race socioeconomics expectations people's assumptions. and i think that was so powerful what she said to them. she said you know people are not going to see you in these caps and gowns. you have to understand their expectations and their assumptions around you, are below your education. and i felt that was really powerful. >> so do you agree with her assessment that different language was used for her? >> oh, certainly. >> because she was the first black person? >> certainly. you know i think she disrupted

what we are used to in terms of framing first lady right? no one expected her, i think, the general imagination was claire huxtable was the closest thing we've ever seen to a black professional mother with agency. right? so i think people were triggered to use language publicly that they probably have never -- they didn't even know that that was in there that she becomes you know the fist bump you know the terrorist, her first major cover of new yorker you know show spoke about that and how also that it was painful that they're not just brushing things off their shoulders. and you have to manage and negotiate constantly and i think -- >> did she invite a little bit of the scrutiny by being provocative? we all mention the quote early on when she said finally i'm proud of my country? >> you know i don't know whether it was her being provocative but her being unfiltered. that she was just speaking as she would if michelle obama, the woman, and then she's michelle

obama, the wife of the presidential candidate. and i think everyone creates more filters once they're in that space. so she said that very early on. but i do think -- >> it stuck, though. >> it sure did. but everything stuck. her arms stuck. >> her bangs stuck. >> right. but i do think -- and i think that she spoke to you have to be very careful. we know publicly speaking there are times you say things that your intention was different but people see it in a different way. i think that was one of those instances. >> and that makes a point. people watch what she says. do you think there is going to be some sentiment this week? because she knows that this was a speech that was being watched by more than just the parents and the faculty. do you think there are going to be people that are going to say she could have done more? we're at a critical time in our nation right now, she could have used that speech to say more? >> well i mean how much more right? because she talked about ferguson. she talked about baltimore. she talked about having to manage she and her husband being in formal situations and being mistaken for the help.

right? she talked about history, about ralph ellison being there, about tuskegee airmen. she got so much in there and also managed to make people laugh and see her humanity. you get history, current events humanity. >> that's a lot in one speech. >> race gender what do you -- and i think that's also part of how much can you be too black or too -- >> one of the big misconceptions we had about president obama's time is that he would be able to deal with race. it seems like it's going to be harder for him than maybe it would have been. >> and she's the intersection of race and gender. >> she is. that's a very good point. >> we're at a time when race and gender are really what it is. so for her she really speaks to all of it. >> thought provoking to be sure. michaela angela davis. appreciate that. >> twice as nice. a lot of news this morning. let's get you right to "newsroom" with carol costello right after a short break. have a great day.

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