and michaela pereira. good morning. welcome to your "new day." it's tuesday may 12th 6:00 in the east. we begin with breaking news. another major earthquake hitting nepal near mt. everest and the china border. this is the moment the 7.3 quake started shaking what's left of that city and surrounding areas. >> so you can see first images of chaos and confusion in the streets. this comes of course as nepal is still recovering from the other devastating earthquake that killed more than 8,000 people just two weeks ago. let's get right to cnn senior international correspondent ivan watson in hong kong. what do we know ivan? >> reporter: good morning. it's a tough day for nepal coming so soon after that previous terrible natural disaster. everybody we've talked to said they were frightening moments after the 7.3 magnitude earthquake hit. our own producer outside of katmandu he was cleaning up debris from the previous earthquake when this earthquake hit. and he said he witnessed in

front of him about seven houses collapsing in front of him and two people who were caught in the debris. and fortunately freed from the rubble. fortunately he's not hurt either. however, the international organization for migration is reporting at least four people dead east of katmandu. we're still trying to get a sense of the scale of the damage the scale of potential casualties. but this is going to be very very frightening for people who were completely emotionally and psychologically traumatized by the disaster that struck this impoverished country a little bit less than three weeks ago that made so many people homeless. and they will likely be sleeping out in the open again tonight as unfortunately the monsoon season approaches and aftershocks continue to shake this mountainous country. >> oh, just so much trouble, ivan ivan. they have not recovered in any stretch from that original one. thanks so much for the update. we'll check back with you. now to another top story.

the nfl coming down on tom brady and the new england patriots over deflategate. saying the super bowl mvp will appeal. cnn's john berman is here with more of the story. >> the nfl guidelines as punishment for altering a football, $25,000, but tom brady's general awareness was so egregious says the nfl and his cover-up so egregious it merits a punishment the likes of which the nfl and the players have never seen before. the unprecedented penalties including a four-game suspension for tom brady came less than a week after the bombshell 243-page report on deflategate. >> i don't have really any reaction. i haven't had much time to digest it really. >> reporter: players throughout the league are reacting to the punishment. >> we have full belief and faith in our quarterback and tom.

and it's been like that for me for six years. that's not going to change now. >> someone's breaking rules, i understand you know you're going to get punished for it. >> the report led the league to not only bench the star quarterback but also slap the patriots with a $1 million fine, the highest ever. in another staggering blow the team has to give up it's 2016 first round draft pick and fourth round pick in 2017. >> the nfl is on a mission right now to repair some of the mistakes that they've made in the past. the nfl league office on this one out of control. >> reporter: brady's agent is blasting the decision saying in a statement, we will appeal and that the discipline is ridiculous and has no legitimate basis. new england fans are showing their support online and beyond. there's a #nobradynobanner pressing the nfl to wait to

raise the championship banner until brady is back on the field. >> i don't want to see a banner without brady. he's been the franchise. >> reporter: the patriots owner is also sticking by his player stating, tom brady has our unconditional support. our belief in him has not wavered. >> now, the league said history does matter here. one of the reasons for this harsh unprecedented punishment well the patriots have a history of bending or breaking rules before. of course 2007 with spygate. but if you are looking for a consistent thread in the severity of punishment issued by the nfl, well you're going to be looking for a while. chris. >> your objectivity stunning given the circumstances of your fandom john berman. joining us christine brennan and mr. coy wire cnn's sports correspondent and nine-year nfl veteran. i say this with not a trickle of sarcasm. i hope you two are happy now. christine brennan, do you like this punishment that was handed down? do you see some precedent or

consistency or promise in it? >> chris, i do like it. i like it a lot. i think the bottom line is it's not only tom brady cheating it's also the lack of cooperation. to me brady really made a big mistake. if he's innocent he needed to turn over the text messages the cell phone records, his lawyer could have looked at them and gone through them. this was not just giving away the phone. they had unprecedented agreement to be able to look at specific messages that brady and his agent could have picked for the nfl. he blew it. if he's innocent you've got to do that. he didn't do it. so it's the lack of cooperation, as we said chris, as well as the cheating. and i think it's consistent with what the new nfl post ray rice. >> coy wire you said hey, man, you got rules, you break the rules, you have to pay. can you find any precedent in league history where something like this has been punished this way? ordinarily $25,000 fine here a guy million-dollar fine two

different draft picks. >> this is the greatest and largest fine in the history of the nfl. $1 million for the organization. if you look at what they did, they actually took spygate and just bumped it up a bit. and i think they did that because this is the second offense for the same organization. it was disbursed differently, but it was spygate it was $750,000 loss of a first round pick. with this you're looking at $1 million for the organization a first and a fourth round pick. then you have the individual case and scenario with tom brady and his suspension and his fine. and i think when you look at this it's warranted. you have an instance where we know the league does not like to be lied to. goodell does not like to be lied to. the other thing i think is lost in this is this was not goodell who came up with these punishments, this was a former player. >> troy vincent. >> one of the men who has the

most integrity -- men of great integrity and character. one of the best that i've ever personally met. yes, he does work for the nfl now. but i don't think that he would compromise his own integrity. >> although he did get beat up a little bit with one of the earlier domestic abuse scandals. people came at him for a bit in what he was doing in that respect. but i hear you. i know he's got a great reputation and he's the right person to put this on. christine, what does this mean for the league now in terms of what it does with these types of infractions? because, yes, coy's right and everybody else pushing ethics in the situation. a rule is a rule. but rules are enforced different ways. your toe is on the line that's five yards, grab me by the face mask and throw me to the ground it's 15. many will argue this was not this serious of an infraction. but what do you see that makes you like it? >> i like the fact that the nfl has a get tough policy chris. i think that the bottom line is if you are thinking of cheating and you're an nfl player you're going to think again.

if anyone else is pulling any fast ones they're not going to do this again. i think that we really do need to look at the nfl post september 8. and frankly our whole country and culture in terms of domestic violence. this is not domestic violence but it's to the integrity of the game. i think the nfl is very serious about this. and it is a workplace issue. that's another important point. if you or i were in a situation where we were cheating or caught cheating in our workplace, we better cooperate. and so yeah it's an unusual workplace because it's a football field, it's a practice field, it's a game. but it is the workplace and the nfl has to look at that and be very serious about that moving forward. and i think that's what we're seeing. i think it's unequivocal and no one can have questions going forward about what the national football league is going to do. >> the old addagedage it's not the crime, it's the cover-up seeping into football and coming to bite tom brady in the footballs. coy wire let me ask you this, what happens with the next

infraction? say somebody gets caught using p.e.d.s in the preseason or somebody punches somebody in the face during practice. don't you have a precedent? if you have four games for the balls, if you grab me and toss me a beating in practice now what? they've set a bar, haven't they? >> it's a great question. i think with the p.e.d.s, you're talking drug policy when you're talking playing rules and penalties, that's different than what this was. this was a hit against the nfl's policy on integrity of the game and enforcement of competitive rule. >> so you're saying don't get distracted by the balls, this is about how they handled the situation that's being punished. >> that's exactly right. and they were clear that although they can't determine how much this would effect the outcome of a game it is a rule for a specific reason that it provides a competitive advantage. and i know that it says $25,000 is the fine for deflated footballs, but that's the minimum. it says at least a minimum of

$25,000. so we haven't had this situation. this was very unique. i think when you add up all the components that this was a second offense, it's the same organization and that tom brady was unwilling to cooperate as players and even goodell himself had been willing in other cases, rich incognito cell phones were turned over that i think played a huge factor into this severity of the punishments that were dealt out. >> coy wire christine brennan, you beat me on the facts, you beat me on the lawyers, you beat me on the policy. and hopefully the league and all the fans accept this as a step in the right direction. certainly up in new england it's going to be met with some frosty feelings but that's only to be expected. thanks to both of you. we'll see what happens next. >> thank you. >> mik. all right, the obama administration is firing back at veteran investigative journalist seymour hersh denying his claims that the raid that killed osama bin laden was staged. a white house official calling the article baseless insisting there are too many inaccuracies to fact-check them all.

michelle kosniski has the latest. quite a development overnight and quite a conversation i'm sure they're having right now. >> reporter: you're right. saying the notion that the operation to kill osama bin laden was anything but a unilateral u.s. mission is patently false. here's the press secretary. >> the obama white house is not the only one to observe that the story is riddled with inaccuracies and outright falsehoods. the former deputy director of the cia, mike morell has said that every sentence was wrong. >> reporter: what in there could be true? what about this possibility that somebody within pakistani intelligence knew that osama bin laden was at least in pakistan? well even the former cia director and secretary of state have long said that yeah that could be true. what about this assertion as

hersh says somebody within pakistani intelligence walked into the u.s. embassy and said i know where he is. cnn sources aren't ruling out that at some point somebody walked in and did give some kind of information that may have been helpful. but they insist it was not one person or one piece of evidence that cracked open this case. alisyn. >> okay michelle thanks so much for that. we'll talk about it much more in the program. meanwhile, a stern warning from the director of the nsa, isis is increasing its already successful efforts to spread its message on social media and it's apparently resonating with more americans. cnn's senior correspondent nick paton walsh has more for us. nick. >> reporter: well this morning morning -- after texas shootings were claimed by isis but beforehand shooters pledged alee yans -- allegiance.

>> this concern about individuals within the united states increasingly resonated, if you will with the ideology of isil and the idea of just acting violently indiscriminately is clearly of great concern. it's a trend that things would suggest is increasing not decreasing. >> reporter: there's one key issue about isis that necessarily you don't have to have these attackers speaking to isis leadership. they can simply be inspired and act independently, the lone wolf if you like. i should point out that mike rongers is talking in a climate in which the nsa will be looking to renew its broad surveillance powers simply in the weeks ahead. that may be feeding into some of the sense of urgency in his comments and also too he spoke on a day in which we often see another video emerged online in which isis supporters claim they have plenty of hacking attacks ready to jeopardize the u.s. a climate of concern building

here. >> well certainly, nick the surprise of social media effectiveness and spreading their message is certainly catching people off guard. the question is what to do with it. thank you for the reporting this morning. another big headline this morning, the u.s. and russia face-to-face today. secretary of state john kerry and russian president vladimir putin will meet to try and find a political solution to the conflict in syria. now, right now kerry's meeting with his russian counterpart, that would be foreign minister sergei lavrov. they just laid a wreath at the world war ii memorial in sochi. the meetings between putin and kerry are also expected to tackle the crises in ukraine and yemen as well as the iran nuclear talks. a lot on the plate there. kerry's trip is the first cabinet level visit to russia since start of the ukraine crisis which is still dividing that country right now. the family of tony robinson will find out this afternoon whether the police officer who shot and killed their unarmed son will be charged. this case sparked emotional protests in madison, wisconsin.

now the d.a. is set to announce a decision after an independent two-month investigation. cnn national reporter ryan young is live from madison this morning on what we can expect. hey, ryan. >> reporter: good morning, michaela. of course tony robinson was killed back in march. and a lot of people had questions since then. the porch where the officer and initial encounter with tony robinson happened. the officer says he arrived here to the scene after reports that someone was hitting people randomly in the street and operating -- trying to run between cars. all of a sudden there was a pushing match, a fight, the officer said he was hit in the head pulled his gun and fired shots. now this investigation should move forward and tell us today whether or not those charges will come forward. let me tell you, we were here for the passionate response when people hit the streets they were protesting. we watched that as it happened. people in this community want to know what will happen next. and they want to know whether or not charges will be filed against that officer. now, the family told us months ago that they believe in the process. alisyn. >> okay ryan thanks so much

for that. well 911 calls expected to be released today following the latest shooting incident involving george zimmerman. the 31-year-old suffered minor injuries after being shot at by a man in florida on monday in what's being called a case of road rage. zimmerman and suspect apparently involved in an ongoing dispute. zimmerman you'll remember was acquitted in the shooting death of trayvon martin in february of 2012. >> so. >> trouble seems to find him. >> well is that it? or does he find the trouble? >> that's the question. >> i just asked it. what do you think? >> he and trouble seem to dance a lot. >> yeah. >> i think that it's more than a coincidence at this point. obviously we interviewed him about his feelings about why this happens. he feels persecuted. he feels highly victimized by what happened with trayvon martin. he feels people are still after him, he can't work he can't take care of his family. >> to be fair this incident is related to a road rage incident last fall. it's the same person. >> well he's had an ongoing

feud supposedly. >> does he always escalate? does he have anger management issues? that's one question. or does trouble just follow him? >> i think that the chance he has no responsibility for these is very small. >> let us know what you think about all that. all right. another story this morning, crews desperately trying to find survivors after more than 70 tornadoes ripped through the heart land. we do know at least five people have lost their lives including this arkansas couple. their bodies were found next to their baby daughter miraculously she survived along with three others originally presumed dead. let's get right to meteorologist chad myers. it's all about advance warning and people being able to simply get lucky in some of these situations. what do we see now, chad? >> you bet. today is a good day. it is a decent day in the plains. they'll be a couple showers and storms around south texas and even the east coast, but it gets bad again tomorrow. and saturday and sunday look just like big tornadoes through the plains. again, we're back in this

pattern. even tomorrow afternoon look at this. this is wednesday afternoon. showers, storms in texas. and then big weather all the way through texas, oklahoma into kansas. that's wednesday. it takes a break on thursday. takes a break on friday. now, it's still going to rain a lot. we're still going to see six to ten inches of rainfall where they kind of need rain. but the setup for the weekend is really getting extreme. grand island wichita, oklahoma city down into dallas and all the way down to del rio, texas, that's the bogey, the bullseye for severe weather this weekend. waking up in the east 89 degrees today in new york city. 67 tomorrow and 73 very plez ant r sant for your end of the week and into the weekend. >> 89 degrees? >> i know. that's hot. >> wow. all right, chad thanks so much for all of that. well it was considered president obama's finest hour in office the killing of osama bin laden. now the white house fighting back against a report claiming that raid was a big lie. we're digging deeper with our experts.

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i'm sure my friends got shot at and almost took a few bullets to the face in the doors would disagree. he's never really risked his life for anything. all he does is have bad sources and prints garbage. >> well that was former u.s. navy s.e.a.l. robert o'neill dismissing a report by journalist seymour hersh who claims the bin laden raid was very different than the story the white house has always told. let's get right to it with phil mudd and da david ross. thanks so much for being here. to try to parse what's going on with seymour hersh's writing. as you know start with you, phil, seymour hersh, he says the s.e.a.l. squad used explosives

to blow the doors open without injuring anyone. one of bin laden's wives was screaming hysterically and a bullet perhaps a stray round, struck her knee. aside from those that hit bin laden, no other shots were fired. who are we to believe, phil? >> i got to stop laughing for a moment. i support this article by the way. i'm going to shock you because as a national security guy we get no humor in my life. this is the funniest thing i've seen in maybe five years. i wake up yesterday morning and see this thing and i can't figure out -- there's nothing here that's even close to true. i mean if tom clancy wrote this he'd be laughed off the street. this suggests that the white house, navy s.e.a.l.s. the pentagon the cia, saudi princes and pakistani generals somehow got together in a room and decided that they could come up with the best conspiracy man has ever known. i wouldn't paper a bird cage with this stuff. this is just fiction. i don't know where this comes from. >> david, do you see it as

implausibly as phil does? >> absolutely. although i do think you could paper a bird cage with fiction. >> wow. okay. hold on a second. so you both dismiss the idea there was no fire fight. there's more. this comes into play whether or not pakistan knew all along where bin laden was. some people say that that's not so much of a stretch. here's what seymour hersh reports on that bin laden had been a prisoner of isi, at the abbottabad compound since 2006 that two senior pakistani military leaders knew of the raid in advance and had made sure that the two helicopters delivering the s.e.a.l.s. to abbottabad could cross pakistani air space without triggering any alarms. phil. >> well let's be clear here. to be serious for just one second. the assertion is not that somebody down the chain in the pakistani military or security

services might have known something. the assertion is that senior pakistani generals including the head of the security service knew for years. so while that security service was losing officers in the fight against al qaeda, they are also at the same time secretly sheltering the head of al qaeda. let me break some news for you this morning. aliens abducted president obama 15 minutes ago and darth vader's in the oval office making decisions for the united states. i have a secret source who told me that. why don't we publish? this is nonsense. this is just ridiculous. >> daveed is it nonsense? because people always questioned how bin laden could have been so close to a pakistan military base without anybody ever detecting him. >> of course people question that. including then-director of cia le on panetta. questioning the idea that there wasn't pakistani knowledge that may have went higher up the chain isn't exactly revolutionary given cabinet members were questioning it. let me get to what the problem is with this story. there might be individual pieces that are true.

and nbc news for example published kind of a rushed story which suggested that there may have actually been a source other than the u.s. just tracing down this courier. >> hold on. that's what seymour hersh says is there's this pakistani source a former military person who walked into the embassy and gave up bin laden's whereabouts. >> correct. nbc has a somewhat similar story although it seems like they rush to put it out in light of the seymour hersh story. the overall problem with the hersh story is that none of the components are true. there may be some true in different ways and phil and i may disagree on what ones are more plausible, but it's a comprehensive alternative history based on sources that are anonymous. it's clear they didn't actually have direct knowledge of the events. for example, one source describes a senior official who had information about the intelligence leading up to the raid not about the raid itself. and then there's two consultants to soak on. and those consultants wouldn't have the kind of information to

provide the kind of omniscience. if cnn were considering a story like this it would not pass fact-checking muster with cnn. the overall blow is fiction, there may be facts embedded within it, but he's presenting alternative definitive history and it's impossible to take that serious sgli seriously. >> phil i want to talk to you about a story out of the nsa, believes that the isis ideology is resonating more and more with americans. can you help us understand what part of that ideology is appealing or why he would say that? >> sure. i think the real compelling part of the isis ideology is its simplicity. you can summarize this in about 15 seconds. if you're an impressionable 15 or 17-year-old there's a place you can practice with some sense of purity in other words you can get to the real religion and

the story is coming from native english speakers in syria who are able to speak to a 15 or 17 or 19-year-old in their own language in their own idiom. let me put two stories together here quickly. this is why secretary of state kerry's conversation with the russian ss so important today. this ideology is becoming so pervasive on the internet that people like me would say eventually you've got to get to the heart of this. you can't stop it in the united states the uk. you've got to root out the evil in syria and iraq. and conversations with the russians about the end game for president assad so we can really go after isis in syria really important. >> all right. phillip mudd daveed glad we could provide you some humor this morning. let's get to michaela. the u.s. and russia talking face-to-face. secretary of state kerry meeting this morning with vladimir putin. can the two sides see eye-to-eye on ukraine? we'll bring the latest live from moscow ahead. scott - we're concerned. you just fed your lawn earlier this spring and now you're at it again. scott: (chuckles) indeed, a crucial

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this should be very interesting. secretary of state john kerry and russian president vladimir

putin are meeting today more than a year after the ukraine crisis developed and russia annexed crimea. cnn's senior international correspondent tracking it all for us from moscow. so this is going to be one of those situations where might be more about what you don't say than what you do say, right? >> reporter: yeah. i think probably is. i mean certainly the relationship between russia and the united states is at a post-cold war low. over the crisis in ukraine, over the sanctions that washington has imposed on russia over allege d vomitinvolvement in ukraine. over nato's concern the expansion stuck in the craw. this is an important meeting to try and get that relationship a crucial relationship back on some kind of normal footing. there are whole areas where they have to try and cooperate over. they've cooperated recently over iran bringing iran to the negotiating table to forge an agreement over its controversial nuclear program.

they need to talk about syria and what can be done there between russia and the united states to get a resolution at the u.n. security council. other issues like yemen as well. there are a whole range of international security issues that are very dependent on this relationship between russia and the united states. it's at such a bad place at the moment this is being seen as a first step, a u.s. initiative according to russians as well to try and bring that relationship back into some kind of normal framework. >> okay matthew, thanks so much for that. we have some breaking news for you this morning. the death toll is rising at least 16 people dead now, more than 800 injured after a 7.3 magnitude earthquake rocks nepal near the border with china and mt. everest. this is the moment you're about to watch where the quake hit. intense tremors then forcing people to run for their lives. this is the second quake to rock that region in less than three weeks. more than 8,000 people have died. the new england patriots are standing by their star quarterback tom brady, called

him john brady last time. he might have to. for the first four games of the upcoming season over deflategate. owner robert kraft says brady has the team's unconditional support. the patriots meanwhile were hit with a million-dollar fine. they will have to forfeit two draft picks. brady's agent blasting the league punishment and promising an appeal. it is official. the barack obama presidential library and museum will be built on the south side of chicago. the move revealed this morning by the obama foundation. no specific location yet. two parks are in the running as prime options. the president's former senior adviser david axelrod is going to join us on "new day" in an hour to talk about that. we'll get deep in the political weeds with this wised man. i look forward to that. a white police officer in wisconsin is waiting to hear if he's going to face charges for shooting unarmed teenage tony robinson. a decision is expected within hours. we'll take a closer look at this

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been following here at cnn the family of tony robinson is going to find out whether the madison, wisconsin police officer who shot their son is going to face criminal charges. the d.a. is set to announce a decision following an independent two-month investigation. we want to bring in retired nypd harry houck and cnn political commentator of cnn post live marc lamont hill. we haven't been watching the story, but this is after the two-month independent investigation. do you believe that officer kenny's going to face charges? >> i don't think so. the officer responded by himself to an incident. >> no partner. no backup. >> exactly. no backup. responded by himself, all right, to a man who was assaulting people and jumping on cars. the first thing you think is you know i'm facing a lunatic here. so when he responded and he confronted this guy, apparently he came towards the officer. i think the officer fired three

shots. one apparently killed him. which indicates to me this isn't some kind of assassination type thing, okay. the forensics that the police look at as a result of what the police officer's comments were and what happened they're going to probably match based on that. if they're matched based on that the officer had a concussion actually also i think is going to be exonerated. >> marc what do you think about this? do you agree with harry? we do know that he was said to have been on -- the family says he was on hallucinogenic mushrooms. we know he was also known to police. what do you think? >> do i think he's going to face charges? no. we've seen cases where the evidence was far more compelling -- >> do you think he should have? >> i don't know enough. >> he's been very mum. >> what i try not to do is have a sort of reactionary position and say there should be or shouldn't be charges. in baltimore i knew enough to say, look some charges should be brought. ferguson had a strong opinion on. >> does that make you feel in the dark or does it make you

feel this is the process being handled the way it should be handled. >> i'm okay with a thorough and transparent process and a long process, which is what we're seeing here. what i'm not okay with is the public not getting enough information. i'd like to see more information brought to the public. i don't want anybody to go to jail for something they didn't do. that's my concern. to your point you go to a house where someone is jumping on cars and assaulting people why do you go alone? >> i agree 100%. let me tell you what happens is police departments figure instead of having two guys in a car they have one in a car and have two guys in the road. >> there aren't that many assaults going on in madison. maybe you could send two cars. if somebody's jumping on cars and assaulting people. >> i'm for that 100%. the fact this officer had to face this person alone because he thought somebody's life was in danger all right? >> he couldn't wait for backup. >> right. >> he did call for backup correct? >> yes. backup eventually did arrive but it was too late. that's why we need more money

for law enforcement. this guy might be alive if there were two officers -- >> do you think that's the case? >> that's a possibility. i don't think it's 100%. but there's a possibility. >> but that's part of the problem too. sometimes when people are frustrated and i'm one of those people with the death of people on black people in particular it's not just because i think the police officer goes into a situation saying i'm going to kill a black person. it's because there's a set of circumstances that could be avoided that oftentimes don't get avoided under certain circumstances. >> two police officers might have changed this whole thing, but we'll never know. we're just assuming that's what might have happened. a police officer also you're like you got to give this cop a pat on the back. listen he's running in there -- >> he went towards trouble. >> he don't know what he's going to find. all right. thinking somebody's in danger. i've done that plenty of times myself. that happens. >> the other piece is the family is saying yeah we understand he was out of control. but he wasn't a threat to the officer at the time of the shooting. all families say that. i get that. let me finish my point. so i get that. that's absolutely true.

but this is part of the pattern other people are wondering about as well are police officers more likely to pull a trigger when there's a young black man? because of everything happening around the country -- >> that does bring that question. but we don't know that. >> on average this is an fbi statistic i pulled out yesterday, on average 400 police officers shoot 400 people, all right. only 25% of them are black. >> yeah the problem is we only make up 13% of the population. >> i'm saying it's 25%. >> that means we're overrepresented. >> also because they commit the most crimes. >> well that doesn't mean you should be shot. >> nobody's saying that. the police confront more people -- >> let me ask one question today in madison we know there's a press conference at 2:30 -- >> i don't want allow it to be said on national tv. that's not true. >> fair enough. in new york city. >> but nationwide -- >> i almost don't want to jump in but i want to know what to expect in madison. we know matdson police have come

out with this statement saying there could be civil dissent but they're prepared to facilitate the move of people and allow them to protest. >> i've been to madison and i've talked to people been on the ground i've seen the protests they've been very peaceful and organized. people aren't running around raging. doesn't mean nothing happened bad there, we don't know yet. >> we don't know. >> people are tired of people dying. they also want information. >> you can't assume every time a white police officer kills a black man it's murder. you know. you can't assume that. what we got to do is we have to listen to the criminal justice system. and when it says something, we have to agree with it. listen o.j. killed two people, i know that guy was guilty, everybody does, but -- >> wow. >> i feel like that could launch us into a whole other -- >> aaron bird! >> you two had extra wheaties today. let me say. passionate arguments we could go on and on but we won't.

chris, over to you. >> when aaron burr comes up you know you're getting somewhere. different type of fighting jeb bush versus karl rove. can only one survive in the race to 2016? our political panel will discuss the rumor bad blood and what happens next for the man in the gown.

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here's the working theory. republican jeb bush has two big obstacles to deal with in getting the brass ring. he's got his brother's record and he just made a bold stand on that front we're going to tell you about. and he's got his brother's henchman karl rove to deal with. >> joining us cnn political commentator and host of the ben ferguson show, ben ferguson. and former senior adviser, what do karl rove and jeb bush have against each other? >> two different teams, two different mindsets two dimpt groups of people and karl rove has been to the big dance. jeb bush wants to get there. not surprising most people have their own team that get them there. george bush had a small tight team from texas. people thought he should bring

in the big dogs and he didn't it and worked for him. i think this idea where, you should need more or if you don't listen to everything we tell you, we already got there once before we're not friends, i think that's just politics. >> little bit grows out of the relationship that rove had with the brother and jeb and george and how did he get in the middle. and that's going to be political intrigue. he also has the record. so now jeb bush comes out and says i see where my brother was on the iraq war. i support it. what does that mean to your side of the fence? >> well i think it's remarkable that jeb bush today knowing everything we know about the false intelligence we had and that the false premise that that whole war was based on would come out today and say if he had it to do all over again even today, even knowing what we know today, that he would make the same decision. i mean like nobody thinks that. so this is another big problem for jeb bush. i mean he's off to a very rocky start. you know in the first place he's running as a moderate in an

increasingly conservative party. a factionalized increasing conservative party. and now he's making these missteps -- >> i did not take what he said that way at all. if you were president at the time. a lot of people thought, look, i would have done the exact same thing. >> but knowing what he would do today he would do the same thing. >> i think you'll see a clarification from him probably. >> you do? >> his point was if i'm there at the time and saw -- when he said hillary clinton would vote for it in the moment when they had what they had, i think a lot of people are making it a bigger deal than it really is. he said if you think i'm going to run away from my brother on this one, it's not going to be on that issue at that time -- >> not only is he not running away -- >> i mean that's exactly the point. ben is making the point. >> what's he supposed to say? >> but the point is is that

here's a guy who's running for president. his whole reason for being electable, right, is that he's experienced, he's steady he's supposed to be the mature you know smart guy in the field. but he's making all these missteps. >> how is that a misstep? >> it was a misstep because if you believe what ben says he got asked a very clear question by megyn kelly and now a very clear answer he's having to clarify. there are all kinds of things. that speech he gave at liberty last weekend he looked very tentative. i mean he just does not look like someone who's -- >> obviously he's not going for you as a voter. i didn't think he looked tentative at all. and i think what he was talking about when he was talking about foreign policy his brother the more we've seen of isis and islamic extremism and fall of iraq and many important areas, george bush's foreign policy to many conservatives is starting to look like he knew a lot more than what people gave him credit

for, if you pull out quickly, if we just try to end these wars then all of a sudden it's going to be over. i think now by him saying i would listen to my brother and talk to him, he knew a lot. and honestly the longer it gets away from him leaving office the more it looks like he knew what he was talking about in foreign policy in the middle east with the rise of isis. >> many believe he's the one that upset the apple cart. >> that's going to be a huge debate in the general. >> let's talk about a group he is going for and that is hispanics. he also tried to clarify his policy on immigration and said he would overturn president obama's executive order on immigration meaning i think send the dreamers back send them home. i think he's saying he wants immigration reform as a whole but he hasn't spelled that out. >> i think he's trying to have it both ways on immigration. he's trying to suggest that he would institute some very modest immigration reforms, but he is not for a pathway to citizenship. he made that clear last night. if you watch the whole interview. i think this is going to be a

big issue. >> the democrats and hillary clinton are the only -- hillary clinton is the only viable candidate now running who supports a pathway to citizenship. that's going to be a big issue. you can't win without the latino vote. >> you don't do it through executive action. i think that was part of what he was saying. is if i'm president of america and you have to reform the immigration system you don't dallas-ft. worth because you don't get your way through executive action at the white house. i would do it differently and consult with congress. i think that's a very big point with conservatives. >> do you think he has a word choice issue? do you think he's having some struggles delineating his positions with the questions he's been asked? he seems to be falling in holes which you're able to explain pretty well i think, but he shouldn't need that at this level of the game should he? >> part of it is when you're running for office and you're in these situations people are going to try to get things that make you look like you're somehow different or unique or not on point. when i listen to him and i think -- >> wasn't a sneaky question and it was coming from a safe

harbor. >> if you look at conservatives, no one was shocked by that. when i look at the people he's actually going to have to get to vote for him in the primary, these were not big issues. they were big issues i think of people on the left understandably so because they feel like they can score points but from jeb bush's perspective i don't think he lost anybody over the last two or three days or these interviews. >> ben, richard, great to have you debating here on "new day." big news in politics this morning but there are a lot of headlines. let's get right to it. >> i was walking down the street when this earthquake struck. >> another major earthquake hitting nepal near mt. everest. >> people are in shock. >> $1 million fine. >> this is the greatest and largest fine in the history of the nfl. >> it's about the integrity of the league. >> accusations of a cover-up. >> there's no question this was an assassination from the get-go despite what the white house says. >> in the end this was a u.s. operation and we sought osama bin laden and we brought him to justice. >> george zimmerman back in the headlines.

>> he said i do not have a phone, i have a gun, i shot george zimmerman. >> could have killed him easily. this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. guilty or not guilty everyone. welcome back to your "new day." we do have some breaking news to report to you out of nepal. at least 29 people dead after a 7.3 magnitude earthquake rocks the region. this happened near mt. everest. watch the intense shaking as the quake rattles nepal sending people running for their lives. >> the region already in ruins and obviously structures are vulnerable. more than 8,000 lives have been lost. and now this. let's get right to cnn senior international correspondent ivan watson live in hong kong with more. ivan what's the latest? >> reporter: good morning, chris. this is grim news. it's only been about four hours since the 7.3 magnitude earthquake hit nepal and already the nepalese government saying the death toll has grown to 29 dead and more than 1,000 people

wounded. that's in just four hours. it's a bad sign for what potentially is to come. we've spoken to people on the ground. they said that the earth began shaking in the early afternoon. everybody running out into the streets. that's the advise that the nepalese government that geologists are giving stay in open spaces away from overhanging structures. eyewitnesses on the ground describing to us how already rescue crews are at work going through the rubble of a five-story building in katmandu for example, that was just brought down less than three weeks after that devastating earthquake killed more than 8,000 people in katmandu. some help is already on the way. the indian air force says it has sent a helicopter to the eastern town of nemche that is described as the homeland for the sherpas who climb mt. everest because that's being the area as being described as the epicenter. i think a lot of people will be

sleeping out in the open tonight. and sadly this is coming as monsoon season rapidly approaches this devastated impoverished country. back to you guys. >> ivan the news is just terrible out of there. thank you for updating us. we'll check back. back here at home the nfl hammering quarterback tom brady and the nengds patriots over deflategate. tom brady's agent expressing his outrage over the punishment calling it ridiculous. cnn's john berman has more for us. is it ridiculous? >> well brady and his agent not used to losing. let's lay that out there. they lost big, i think. look the guidelines for this type of infraction, altering a football say $25,000 fine that's the minimum. of course that's what we've seen in the past. the nfl going way, way beyond that. they say what tom brady did having his general awareness of this likely deflating of the footballs it threatens the integrity of the game. the unprecedented penalties including a four-game suspension for tom brady, came less than a

week after the bombshell 243-page report on deflategate. >> i don't have really any reaction. i haven't had much time to digest it fully. >> reporter: players throughout the league are reacting to the punishment. >> we have full faith and belief in our quarterback, tom. it's been like that for me for six years, that's not going to change now. >> someone's breaking rules, i understand you're going to get punished for it. >> reporter: the report not only benched the star quarterback but also slapped the patriots with a $1 million fine the highest ever. and in another staggering blow the team has to give up its 2016 first-round draft pick and fourth round pick in 2017. >> the nfl is on a mission right now to repair some of the mistakes that they've made in the past. the nfl league office on this one out of control. >> reporter: brady's agent is blasting the decision saying in

a statement, we will appeal. and that the discipline is ridiculous and has no legitimate basis. new england fans are showing their support online and beyond. there's a #nobradynobanner pressing the nfl to wait to raise the championship banner until brady is back on the field. >> i don't want to see a banner without brady. he's been the franchise. >> reporter: the patriots owner is also sticking by his player stating, tom brady has our unconditional support. our belief in him has not wavered. >> now, there will be appeals, that's for sure. also the league made clear here that the history matters, the patriots of course have a history of bending or breaking the rules in 2007 with spygate. and the league made clear the severity of the punishments this time around have a lot to do with the past. chris. >> there's a lot of it matters here. you've got the rules, only supposed to be $25,000, but that's just the minimum but then they go from that to the biggest fine ever. it's a lot of what really

matters here that has to be sorted out. let's do some of that. john, thank you very much. let's bring in dante stallworth. and also a rules analyst for espn. okay. so let's start with you, jim, on the integrity side. we keep hearing don't get caught up in the footballs. this isn't about the footballs. it's about how the situation was handled. so from an integrity standpoint because that word keeps getting used, how does this lay out as a punishment for you? >> well chris, i believe the punishment is a little bit excessive for what actually happened. i think that's again, the inflation or the deflation of the footballs really had no effect on the outcome of the game. but it was the integrity of the game that concerned the nfl offices up in new york. and that's why the penalty has been so severe. >> not the crime, it's the cover-up dante, that's basically what they're saying here. you point to the fact that the

standard of proof that they've brought to bear here gives you some concern. the weird language in the report about how it seemed more likely than not that he was generally aware of what was done as describing brady's culpability. you say you don't like it. >> no i don't. i think if you're going to suspend someone for a quarter of the season which is four games in the nfl, if you're going to suspend someone for that long and you're going to dock the patriots $1 million and take away a first round draft pick and another fourth round draft pick the following season i think you should have a little more evidence than more probable than not and generally aware. that becomes an issue for me. i think the biggest issue for the nfl anyway is they felt as if tom brady wasn't being extremely cooperative. and i think that's probably more so of what got him suspended more than the actual act. >> now, you were on the team the last time they got in the stink

like this with spygate there when they were filming. and the team wound up going 16-0. john berman was just reminding me because everybody was so riled up. do you think this will have the same impact on the team this year in terms of unity? >> yeah i think so. i think any time there's an issue in new england regardless of what it is if it's something against the patriots they are always going to rally amongst each other. people always feel like -- or people within the organization in new england always feel like they're against the rest of the world. they're a part of what i like to call the axis of evil the evil empire the yankees, cowboys, lakers and patriots. of course bill belichick is going to use this as an additional ammunition for them to really come together. if tom brady does appeal i think that the patriots are probably looking to reduce that suspension. but if not, you know, four games is a lot of games in the nfl. >> understood. understood. let me ask you something about selective enforcement, jim.

obviously the league is trying to make a stand in saying we're all about the integrity game going forward. you've got this report being ignored in a lot of media about teams, including the jets i'm a fan of the jets but a lot of teams in the league taking money from the military in exchange for honoring veterans during the game. those ceremonies we all watch very often it's the best part of the game. the league is letting these teams take money from the military getting paid to honor veterans. where's the league on that issue? doesn't that go to the integrity of the game? >> that's a tough question for me to answer not having been involved -- >> i'm not blaming you, jim. i'm talking about integrity of the game. doesn't that matter too? >> there's so many issues that go on here. i guess, chris, one of the things that concerns me reading through the wells report is that the national football league was aware of a problem with the footballs. they informed the officials before the game that there was an issue with the footballs.

so they knew something was going on. my question is what happened to those footballs? how did they lose sight of where those footballs were? what happened with the officials? what happened with the nfl security? what happened with the patriots security? there's some questions right there that i'm looking for an answer. why did those footballs lose their security or why did the people that were responsible for keeping track of those footballs, why did they let them out of their sight to have this problem that's caused some integrity issues with the national football league? >> as you know a lot of the an ek doal evidence suggests it's because it wasn't a big deal it's known and certain things are stretched in the game. that's nothing new there. donte donte, jim doesn't want me to put him on the spot but now i'm coming to you. if you want to talk about the integrity of the league and turn a new page how can you have the same day you're smacking brady and patriots around for deflated footballs and how they deal with

it you have all these teams getting paid millions of dollars to honor vets on a game that's supposed to be about integrity. what says integrity more than how we treat veterans? where's the league on that? >> yeah that was something i had no idea about. and i can almost guarantee you that a lot of nfl players we most of us i would say all of us have nothing but utmost respect for the ultimate sacrifice that our servicemen and women give to this country. and to see that nfl teams have been accepting money on behalf of the d.o.d. to show an expression of gratitude towards our servicemen and women, that was a little disappointing. but when i look at it i don't know if it's -- you know i don't know who you blame? do you blame the d.o.d. for paying or the nfl for accepting payment or blame both? >> blame is always easy to throw around. that's for sure. donte, jim, good to have your perspective on the show. that's the problem with the standard mik. if you're going to set one, you have to hold to it all the way through the line. >> otherwise that standard

starts to slip around. that's not good. chris, thank you. the obama administration dismissing claims by journalist seymour hersh that the raid on osama bin laden's compound was staged. a white house official insisting there are just too many accuracies to fact-check in the pulitzer prize winning blockbuster report. let's bring in michelle kosinski for the latest. >> reporter: when the white house responded to this they came out swinging first putting out this statement that said any notion that this operation to kill osama bin laden was anything but a unilateral u.s. mission is patently false. and the press secretary said this. >> i can tell you that the obama white house is not the only one to observe that the story is riddled with inaccuracies and outright falsehoods. the former deputy director of the cia mike morell has said

that every sentence was wrong. >> reporter: are there elements of this story that could be true? sure in a broader sense. the idea that maybe somebody within pakistani intelligence could have known where osama bin laden was, the former cia director and secretary of state have long said that that could be true. but cnn sources are disputing that it was one day, one person who walked into the u.s. embassy and tipped everyone off. alisyn. >> all right, michelle we're going to talk about this with mike rogers who was on the intelligence committee during the raid coming up. meanwhile, a possible big hit against isis. several reports suggest the group's leader abu bakr al baghdadi is injured. cnn correspondent barbara starr has the latest. >> good morning, alisyn. these reports got our attention. we've seen a number of news reports, we've seen reports on social media. so we started poking around. now, u.s. officials are telling me that the latest intelligence shows them that abu bakr al

baghdadi the leader of isis is still very much in charge in charge of day-to-day operations running isis issuing orders that he is very much still the commander. the intelligence is showing them that they say they have no intelligence that shows them he's been injured. the allegation injured in an air strike in early march. they are saying they simply have no intelligence showing that he has been injured. but nonetheless there's a lot developing on potential successors if it came to that. there are four pictures i want to show you. these are top isis leaders and commanders. the u.s. has just put a bounty on their head of millions of dollars in rewards being offered for information leading to the capture of any four of these men. there's a lot of thinking that this is the new rogue's gallery. these are the men that could succeed baghdadi as the leader of isis if it ever came to that.

chris. >> all right, barbara. we have another layer here in this situation as well. nsa director sounding the alarm on isis recruiting. admiral mike rogers says the terror group's online efforts are increasing and that more americans are getting onboard. cnn senior international correspondent nick paton walsh has this part of the story. this is becoming the biggest weapon for this brand of isis is just telling people do whatever you want just do it in our name. >> reporter: very specifically put out by the spokesperson saying you know you don't have to seek our advice. the idea in this ideology can spread in social media, you can talk to people who you've never met, never spoken to isis leadership and then commit an act, an atrocity as a lone wolf inspired or trained by manuals online. here's what admiral rogers had to say about that specific threat to the u.s. >> this concern about individuals within the united states increasingly resonated, if you will with the ideology

of isil and the idea of just acting violently indiscriminately is clearly of grave concern. it's a trend that things would suggest is increasing not decreasing. >> reporter: now, he's speaking in two climates after the garland, texas attack saying it was clear there was pledge to allegiance to isis and then afterwards isis respectively said they're working on their behalf. still unclear and two at the same time admiral rogers engaged capabilities nsa had that edward snowden exposed or possibly exposed. a case they want to make to try to get their side of the balance between privacy and surveillance taken up by congress. a key time for them but also just yesterday, chris, we saw isis affiliated hackers putting out a message on the internet saying they would be targeting the u.s. at some point down the line. unclear how capable they are but

now threat online so pervasive. back to you. >> thank you, nick. u.s. and saudi arabian officials are trying to tamp down suggestions of -- king salman speaking on the phone monday. questions swirled after the king backed out of a summit at camp david perceived as a snub over the president's overtures to iran. but a top saudi official tells cnn that circumstances changed in the saudi's ongoing conflict with yemen forcing that last-minute cancellation. crews working furiously to find victims after more than 70 tornadoes tore through the nation's midsection. at least five people killed in hard hit texas and arkansas including this couple who died shielding their baby girl in their mobile home. the infant along with three others were miraculously found alive. how about this one? a united express flight on its way to monterey was forced to make a belly landing at los angeles international airport. it happened when the plane experienced mechanical issues in the left mainlanding gear

failed. that's what you're watching a belly landing. passengers on the plane told to assume the crash position and then they just skidded on home. no one hurt. 43 people on board. >> i tried to wave alisyn off given her anxietyg sooixiety of flying. >> i'm okay with that sglun really? i'm always interested in the ups and downs of camerota world. >> i'm happy plane ks do that. that's great they can make a belly landing if the gear doesn't come down. >> i would say that that plane did it that time and i would leave it at that. >> shall we carry on? >> just when i was feeling -- >> tarmac landing also known as a fireball in some cases. >> thank you for that chris. meanwhile, there's a new warning to tell you about about isis and its ability to reach young people in the u.s. through social media. who is most vulnerable? that's next.

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during the bin laden raid. mike great to see you. >> great to see you, alisyn. good morning. >> if anyone knows if this was hogwash, the administration's story, it would be you. you were on the house intelligence committee. is it hogwash or even parts of it? >> the only hogwash i think is the story. i was brought in in january when i became chairman of the house intelligence committee and had full visibility of all the intelligence all the operational decisions that needed to be made as far as what their options were. and they weren't really good ones. and i just don't find any credibility in hersh's article. >> is it a stretch? let's break it down some of the details of his article. is it a stretch to think that pakistan knew where bin laden was before the raid? >> well i mean that is probably the million dollar question. in everything we saw you could never clearly say that they knew about it. i will tell you i met with the isi, the intelligence director immediately thereafter.

i met with him prior to that in my role as chairman. there was never any indication that they knew about it. the speculation at the time was could lower level intelligence officials loyal to the taliban loyal to the ideas of al qaeda have protected bin laden in that particular facility. that's never been ruled out. >> huh. >> but there's no clear evidence that they knew that he was there, at least that i saw during my time as chairman. >> it's interesting you say you met with posha, because that's one of the top level military officials that seymour hersh cites as having known about the raid and green lighting it. >> i have to tell you my counterpart, the ranking member at the time and i went to see posha right after the raid because we had some issues to work through on intelligence cooperation. and i can tell you he did not know about the raid. and he was not all that amused by the raid.

and it caused us real and significant problems in our intelligence operations for months after that raid because he was not made aware of it and believed that was a slight to their national pride. so i don't know where he gets that story. i found no credibility in it. and there's just no substantive facts that support his story. >> are you suggesting there was a fire fight at the raid? >> absolutely. we lost a helicopter there. really very quick actions on behalf of the s.e.a.l.s. we know that there was a fire fight before the three s.e.a.l.s. got to the building that housed bin laden. there was another small compound away from that where they think it was a security team that had to be -- that engaged in a fire fight. there was a fire fight at the building that housed bin laden. so i mean that clearly happened. there was no -- nobody walked into that facility. i can tell you that. and by the way, the part he doesn't talk about is afterward the flood of people who rush to

the scene and mainly not in a great way certainly would have caused us lots of concern. so this notion that there was -- this was all pre-planned and they walked in just doesn't hold water to the facts that i saw and dealt with as chairman. >> okay mike. let's talk about a developing story here at home. this weekend military bases across the country increased their threat level to bravo, meaning they believe there was an increased threat of terrorism. what's going on on military bases? what do they know? >> well you have to think about what isis is trying to accomplish. so they're using social media in a way we've never seen before. and unfortunately they're very good at it. and they are marketing this notion. they have kind of turned a page saying we don't have to actually talk with you, we don't have to work with you, we don't have to tell you what to do we don't have to pick your targets. what we want you to do is we're going to inspire you to do an act of violence and we'll take credit for it and you can say we are part of it. everything is good. that's a twist. it's a change. and it's dangerous. and so we knew that one of the

targets that these folks were interested in and they know this over the 90 some thousand twitter accounts that are related to isis 90,000. >> wow. >> and thousands of americans who are in some way interested and connected to their ideology that military bases, police officers other things that i have talked a lot about that in these forums. >> are you comfortable that military bases today are secure enough? >> listen if they want to cause some harm and kill some people, they're likely to have some degree of success. you saw it happen in texas. but for some quick action of the local police that was shut down pretty quickly. but had that not happened you can imagine what consequences there would have been. so the hardened part of a military post is they can ramp up that security very very quickly. lotds of soft targets around a military installation. you have to worry about that and what that means for police and police resources and how they do

it. again, the problem with this is that they're inspiring someone to do it. so there might not be a chain of facts you can follow that says oops thrks guy in this town is starting to get motivated to do this particular act. very difficult to detect. that's what i think they're worried about. >> mike rogers we always appreciate getting your expertise on "new day." alisyn does it seem to you wherever george zimmerman goes trouble seems to follow? this time he's on the other side of the gun. we're going to tell you what happened and talk about why this keeps happening ahead. (mom) when our little girl was born we got a subaru. it's where she said her first word. (little girl) no! saw her first day of school. (little girl) bye bye! made a best friend forever. the back seat of my subaru is where she grew up. what? (announcer) the 2015 subaru forester (girl) what? (announcer) built to be there for your family. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru.

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and said do you really want to do this. >> then two months later he was arrested on aggravated assault charges after his then-girlfriend said zimmerman pointed a gun at her during an argument and smashed her coffee table. later, prosecutors decided not to pursue the case. a year later florida resident matthew apperson said zimmerman threatened to kill him during a road rage incident but never pursued charges. in january 2015 zimmerman was arrested again after an ex-girlfriend said he threw a wine bottle at her. she later recanted. no charges were filed. >> i'm like what you shot george zimmerman? he said yes, sir, i shot george zimmerman, please call 911. >> this latest incident a shooting and this time zimmerman was the target. >> see the gunshot -- >> according to zimmerman's lawyer the same man from the road rage incident in september 2014 pulled up next to george yelling obscenities at him. when zimmerman raised the window the man shot through the

glass almost hitting him in the head. apperson says zimmerman first waved a gun at him. something zimmerman's attorney outright denies. all right. here to weigh-in attorney and radio host mel ivory and hln legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson. joey were you at all surprised that we're here again with george zimmerman in the news? >> i was not surprised at all. certainly he's been in the spotlight. he continues to be in the spotlight. apparently he likes the spotlight. and as a result was just another day in paradise. but here's the issue. the issue really is not so much he's been embroiled in past instances because every case has to be judged on the merits of that case. >> absolutely. >> so what the attorneys will say in the event he was braugtd forward even though he was the one shot at but in the oechbt he was waving that gun and menacing that other person leading that other person to believe they needed to let off a round before he let off a round on him, these past instances of his misconduct

may never see a light of day in the courtroom because of the fact they go to bad character, propensity and -- >> bad character and propensity. mo i want you to listen how zimmerman's lawyer described the confrontation. play the sound and i want your reaction. >> this fellow was taunting and yelling at him, calling him names. you going to shoot me now kind of thing. i don't know where that came from. but in any event when george recognized him, realized who he was and what he was saying he rolled his window up and decided to get away not to provoke it whatsoever. and the fellow followed him, followed him around the u-turn and pulled up next to him and shot at him. could have easily killed him. >> the fact is he could have killed him. that's a very true statement. mo do you buy this version of the story or do you think trouble keeps finding this guy? >> i mean enter the violins for george zimmerman. oh was previously at the garden helping the children plant

vegetables right? give me a break. this man is a menace to society. and, yes, you do take each case on its own merits. but in the law we also will look at past acts. we will look at when someone comes up for a case if they are a convicted felon from before or if they have things in their past it will come up. george zimmerman has a pattern of violence. he obviously suffers from a power tripping type of -- >> mo -- >> paranoia almost that he has to constantly be in a position where people are watching him, people know what he's doing. >> is there any chance in your mind mo that he could be -- let's just try and look at it this way. is there any chance that he could be being intentionally targeted in your mind? >> no. >> not at all? >> well i definitely -- look he got off on a case that was very controversial. and of course there are people on both sides. there are people that think george zimmerman is a murderer like i do and there are people that believe, you know he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. so sure could he be in the

middle of something. but it's no accident that he continues to be you know charged with assault, charged with battery, charged with cases that involve being violent. you know his girlfriends, both his wife and his girlfriend, even jurors from the zimmerman trial came out later on and said they were sorry they made the decision they did. it's just not an accident that a lot of people feel this way about george zimmerman. and i heard people were saying he suffers from ptsd because of you know his life being so under the microscope and him not being able to live a normal life. he has never pursued a normal life. ever. >> let's let joey get in here. >> yeah. >> you talk about this and you look down the list of the aggressive behavior the run-ins with the law. what would you do if you were his council? would you advise him? would you say you and trouble seem to dance together a whole lot. whether you think that he is courting it or it just seems to

find him. would you tell him to leave the state, leave the country, lie low? >> we would tell him to relax, get out of the public eye and stop having trouble find you. it's important we attorneys don't like our clients talking. we don't like our clients in the spotlight. we like them to go relax and not be in the thick of it. >> but he's in the spotlight because trouble keeps finding him. >> it certainly does. i think in this case of course nobody charged at this point so we don't know. but i think what's going to be very important in this case michaela is if there's any ongoing dispute as between him and the party, mr. apperson who fired at him. that's going to be critical. why? because it goes to the state of mind of the person who discharged the round. if i have a past history with you, i'm going to be in a heightened state of alert and i might really feel if you're waving a gun you might use it. >> so that waving the gun thing, how difficult is that going to be joey for him, the prosecution to confirm? because it was the two of them. i don't know that there were witnesses to the brandishing of the gun. >> aha. so that's important. and then it's also going to be relevant as to whether or not a gun was found, right?

when he was ultimately gotten under custody and control, was there a gun with him? not to suggest he couldn't have gotten rid of a gun, but that will go to the credibility of mr. apperson who said he was waving a gun, if no gun was found would be hard to believe that. >> boy, what a mess. joey jackson, mo i got to tend it there. >> mo's on fire. >> we're all on fire today. it's that kind of day. what's your take at home? are you on fire as well? use #newdaycnn and also leave comments on our facebook page. thanks to the both of you. chris. all right, mick a huge merger in the tech field to tell you about. what's behind verizon's big purchase? and guess what? it could affect you. we'll tell you how. wn earlier this spring and now you're at it again. scott: (chuckles) indeed, a crucial late spring feeding helps defend the grass against the summer heat to come. nbr: we knew that - right guys? oh yeah! scott: feed your lawn. feed it! out of 42 vehicles

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i can't say i was terribly surprised that they chose chicago for the presidential library. but why chicago over say hawaii? >> well listen it's a wonderful story. first of all we're ecstatic here in chicago as you can imagine. but what a great story. barack obama came here about 30 years ago to work for a consortium of churches to try and lift neighborhoods that were down on their luck on the south side of chicago. michelle obama grew up on the south side of chicago. her roots are firmly planted there. and now they're bringing this wonderful asset back to the south side of chicago that will mean not just thousands of jobs and hundreds of millions of dollars of economic activity but it will lift the community. and chicago is very very excited today. >> and let's talk -- i mean if libraries mean legacy generally and that's sort of what they represent, let's talk about some of that with president obama. because one of the things people

often considered his crowning achievement, and that was the raid that killed osama bin laden, today is called into a little bit of question with seymour hersh's report. seymour hersh is an award winning investigative journalist and he says the raid did not go down the way the administration has always said it did. what's your reaction? >> multiple sources have debunked -- i have great respect for what he did in the 1960s. i don't in any way dismiss that. but this report by all accounts is just plain wrong. and all i know is what i know which is that i wasn't in the white house at the time of the raid but after the raid i talked to many of the people who were involved in that. and nothing that they told me jibes with what he said. so i'm very dismissive of that report. >> but is it possible that pakistan knew where bin laden was for years or months before the raid? >> it may be possible that they

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washington, go out there and listen to what's going on in people's lives and tell them what your ideas are to make this economy work better for people who live from paycheck-to-paycheck. >> let's talk about the gop field. who do you think stands the best chance of being the nominee? >> you know i'm not a republican. and all the smart republicans i talk to are unwilling to make a guess on this. but i will say the history of the republican party is that the candidate favored by the sort of center-right republican establishment tends to win the nomination. and that candidate would be jeb bush in this case. and, you know there are reasons to believe he would be a formidable nominee for them not the least of which is his kinship with the hispanic community. you know in 2004 when the republicans last won, george w. bush got 44% of the hispanic vote. in 2012 mitt romney got 27%.

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region did not need. >> reporter: a little more than two weeks after the deadliest earthquake hit this area in generations, another 7.3 magnitude hits these people already traumatized and struggling to overcome the damage from the initial earthquake so the government is already saying just five hours since the earthquake that the death toll has risen to 29 dead and more than 1,000 injured. next door in india, india says at least three people have been killed by a falling wall and the earthquake went across borders to india and china as well. if there is a silver lining here it's that there was a lot of emergency assistance and search and rescue crews and aid workers that flooded into nepal after the april 25th earthquake and they are hard at work trying to rescue people. indian air force has helicopters

in the air rescuing dozens of wounded people and the tphep hraez people already at work rescuing people out in the countryside, and there were buildings damaged 2 1/2 years ago and they were brought down by this latest round of tremors, so there's a positive thing, and that's that there is already help on the ground mobilized to help after this most recent incident. >> we see all of these people streaming out into the street and you have talked about how people already sleeping in the street because of the earthquakes. where will they get food and water and be housed? >> it's the same thing they had two weeks ago, the entire population was sleeping out in whatever makeshift shelter they

can do, and a city like katmandu sandwiched in between hills, there's not a lot of space, and any bit of open ground they can find because they don't want to be under any structure that can come tumbling down. my prediction is that most of that population will be out in the open again tonight and this is a population traumatized by the earthquake of 2 1/2 weeks ago, and imagine, alisyn your house, all of a sudden you don't trust it anymore because it could become your coffin and the shaking earth could bring it down on top of you and that's the situation that most of the population that nepal is in right now, and as the rainy season the monsoon season approaches it's devastating. >> it's terrible i haven. thank you so much for the reporting and explaining what it looks like there.

tom brady's agent says he will appeal the four-game suspension handed down by the nfl, and the punishment is unprecedented. >> yeah for years to come with the loss of draft picks. this goes way beyond the normal guidelines with this type of suspension. the general awareness that the football's probably aware, so egregious egregious. >> it came less than a week after the bombshell 243-page report on deflate gate. >> i don't have really any reaction. i have not had much time to digest it fully. >> players throughout the league are reacting to the punishment.

>> we have faith in our quarterback, tom, and it's been that way for six years and it's not going to change now. >> somebody is breaking rules and you will get punished for it. >> the report led the league to bench the quarterback and slap the patriots with a $1 million fine the highest ever. in another staggering blow the team has to give up its 2016 first round draft pick and fourth-round pick in 2017. >> the nfl is on a mission right now to repair some of the mistakes they have made in the past. the nfl league office on this one, out of control. >> brady's agent is blasting the decision saying in a statement, we will appeal and that the discipline is ridiculous and it has no legitimate basis. there is a hash tag, no brady,

no banner and pressing them to wait to raise the banner until brady is back on the field. >> the patriot's owner is sticking by the player saying tom brady has our unconditional support and our faith in him has not wavered. >> the league made clear that it was such a stiff penalty because of the breaking of the rules in 2007 with the spy gate controversy. >> tough day for a boston guy like you, and i want to read back your own words that you wrote in your article, your latest piece says this is bad, folks, your football dynasty is no longer credible and this will stick with the patriots forever.

why do you feel so strongly that way? >> the patriots have had a lot of success, four super bowl champions and win their decision every year and it's a sustained success, a dynasty almost and to have a scandal where the words cheating are involved and these kinds of punitive and sanctions, that does stick as they move forward, and they assembled a lot of enemies, and they have a weapon to use against them. >> a normal discipline is a $25,000 fine for altering a ball. do you think anybody inside the patriot's locker room or organization anticipated such a stiff penalty and fine? >> i do not think they anticipated this. bob kraft last week when the report was released he said the patriots would go along with whatever the league ruled, and his statement yesterday is different, and he said this was way worst than what we thought

it was going to be which makes me think they might appeal and it tom brady is appealing and the patriots also must fight this. >> we do not believe there was any wrong doing or wrong doing by patriots ownership, so why would the nfl come down so harshly? >> well it is harsh, and it seems excessive, and to answer your question one, there is a prior, the spy gate in 2007, and that is cited in the report used against them, and the patriots were not compliant, and they would not let them back to some of the guys and tom brady did not supply his --

>> defiance yes. >> the league doesn't like it when you say we are not going to cooperate with you. those things compiled with the prior, and i think they would have felt better if the patriots said yeah you got us, we won't do that anymore, and the patriots said they will go the other way and accuse and point fingers, and that's not playing well with the league right now. >> one of the issues that many are wondering is if there is any inconsistency in the nfl, and we look at the trouble they have had at late and the domestic violence issues and the carolina panthers and vikings, they used sideline heaters to heat up balls which is illegal to do and they were caught and warned. where is the consistency? >> well there is never consistency, and i agree with that and this is where the patriots are so up in arms like this and you have ray rice

assaulting his girlfriend and it's a two-game suspension and you deflate footballs and it's four? the patriots are paying the price for the other mistakes made. you have that. competitive violations and the commission is strong on this, and it goes to the integrity of the game and they take it very seriously, and the competitive things they take seriously. the teams fessed up and they said yeah you got us and they did that right away. >> that softens the blow a little bit. and let's talk tom brady, the legacy. >> this is the saddest part of this for me, and tom brady is a standup guy, and a wonderful story, he can look up to and there is no priors with tom brady, and he has been nothing

but the best and his teammates love him, and the whole ball -- >> does this change that narrative. >> does this make the brady haters to say maybe he was not such a standup guy? >> yeah and i am not sure about the attack on this and we have not heard much from tom yet, and if you look at the interviews some of it means as though he is totally clueless about this and the report indicates otherwise, and he has to decide which way he wants to go now. >> so good to have your voice with us on "new day." we will be watching this to be sure. >> thank you. the white house insists it does not stage the 2011 raid

that killed bin laden. >> the white house didn't minutes words in blasting this report, calling it patently false that the u.s. worked with the pakistani government and this assertion on the raid last night, and crafted together this year's long rouse. >> the obama white house is not the only one to observe that the story is riddled with inaccuracies and out right falsehoods. the deputy has said every sentence was wrong. >> might be hard for some analystonly analyst to say there are

inconsistencies. and sure it's something that has been talked about even by the former cia director and secretary of state, and what about this assuretion it was somebody that walked into the u.s. embassy and tipped everybody off, and sources are saying at some point somebody may have walked in and gave information, but they are disputing it was one person that really blew the case wide open. chris? >> thank you very much. the head of the nsa says online recruiting may be the most dangerous part of isis. cnn international correspondent, nick payton walsh has the story on this. >> we know after the garland, texas attacks, we don't at this stage know there were clear operational links, but admiral

rogers saying the ideal of isis is spreading within the u.s. >> this concern about individuals within the united states increasingly resinated if you will with the ideology of isil is a concern, and it's a trend that would suggests things are increasing and not decreasing. >> the increasely this threat is hard to define and it doesn't have links back to isis leadership, and yesterday a video emerging with isis affiliated computer experts or hackers suggested they had plans to hack the u.s. and a complex and serious, too, is the need for the nsa to respect

individual privacy in the america. a five-day cease-fire set to begin in yemen. stepped up strikes on hootie rebel targets. over 1,400 civilians have been killed so far in the conflict. tension building in madison, wisconsin. the family of robinson will find out if the officer that shot and killed the teenager will be charged. cnn's national reporter brian young, is live from madison this morning. tell us the mood there. >> reporter: well you know people are bracing for this because they want to know what will happen next. tony robinson was shot just on the outside of the apartment right there. the report was that somebody was

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the obama administration firing back at veteran investigative journalist seymour hersh. let's bring in a leading pakistani journalist that published multiple books about extremist in south and central asia. what has been the reaction among

your sources and people on the ground where you are in pakistan to this story? >> well it has received a lot of publicity, as you can imagine. there's a lot of division. i think a lot of the right wing which has traditionally been anti-american, and the islamic party and other such groups have taken -- have adopted the story and said it's absolutely true obama was lying about bin laden. they send to forget about the fact that the story also implicates the pakistani army as being involved in hiding bin laden, but i think by and large, most of the liberal urban middle class has shrugged this off as one more story. remember in pakistan we have had no proper inquiry as to what actually happened and whether bin laden was being kept under

somebody's orders and all the demands in the newspapers today point for transparency and a proper pakistani investigation. >> with your experience and your sources within the space of reporting, what pieces of hersh's article is true? what seems worth talking about? >> i am a fan, and the problems with the stories are either you accept the whole story or you reject it. unfortunately, compared to other journalists, you can't say pieces and say yes. the story doesn't make sense because the central premise is that the pakistan army included

by handing over bin laden to the americans, and if that's the case why go through the action of the s.e.a.l.s killing bin laden and etc. if there was kau louson and the two sides are in step with each other why wouldn't the pakistanis hand him over? >> you know their tendencies and sympathies, and there has been given a little support as what is construed in his report as somebody going to the embassy, and nbc says they do believe an independent source did start giving them information that led them to the curer, so hersh

could have that part right? >> by the way, this talk about a walk-in into the u.s. embassy has been around for at least two years. this is not something new. i think a lot of people do believe in him, and of course what the walk-in does it contradicts not what has hersh upset so much but it contradicts the american story about the tracking down the kuwaiting brothers looking after bin laden in this house, and tracking them down through all the surveillance and etc. was not the true story, and the location of the house was given to them by this walk-in, and that's quite possible but it doesn't go on to justify the rest of what hersh is talking about, which is the kau louson

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we are following breaking news for you out of nepal. the death toll keeps rising and at this hour at least 29 people have been killed and more than 1,000 injured after an earthquake hits nepal again. the new earthquake coming weeks after the other massive earthquake hit the region killing more than 8,000 people. let's get to i haven en ivan watson who is in hong kong. >> the military and the police

are out digging through the rubble of buildings that collapsed in the most recent earthquake, and trying to get out in some of the villages and the mountains in the countryside to evacuate more than 1,000 people that the government says have been wounded, and they are getting help from the air force after on the ground there from the april 25th earthquake and the indian military say they have evacuated 11 injured people and the earthquake only happened about five or six hours ago, alisyn. the eyewitness accounts of the frightening shaking of the earth shortly before 1:00 p.m. local time and the capital, the entire population of the capital rushing outdoors and into the streets as the earth was shaking. and they are following the advice and the instructions of the authorities who are saying you have to get out from underneath things that could fall on you and hurt you, and you have to open up the roads at the same time to allow the

emergency workers to get where they need to be during the critical hours after this earthquake struck. alisyn? >> last time around you will remember the earthquake there triggered a deadly avalanche on mt. everest, and the epicenter was very to mt. everest? >> it's a town called namche bazaar and the exspa dishensbg exspa dishens, they are worried about the population and they are not able to get close to the town close to the epicenter, and we have gotten accounts while people are frightened and people living outdoors and out into the

open because they are afraid to go in their houses the initial reports are not of terrible loss of life again, and the sun is about to set in nepal, and a lot will depend on the next 12 to 24 hours. >> thanks so much for that. for more information on how you can help the victims of the nepal quake, go to cnn cnn.com/impact. among 13 officers that fired shots, so why he is the only one facing the severe sentence? we will talk with the leader of a group supporting the officer.

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actions, and the only way to do that in this case to hold the defendant responsible for his actions is to find him guilty. >> that was the prosecutor wrapping up the state's case against cleveland police officer michael brelo. he is charged with two counts of manslaughter for the shooting deaths of two. brelo shot 15 times through the victims' window after a police chase. thank you for being on "new day." >> good morning. >> let's remind people about this case particularly the numbers involved in this case because they are so staggering. this happened november 29th 2012. there was a police chase through cleveland. 60 police cars gave chase of these two suspects. once the suspects were surrounded -- well during the course of this 137 shots were fired at these suspects by 13

separate officers. it turns out the suspects were unarmed. is your point about supporting officer brelo that he should not have been charged at all or that he should not have been the only person charged? >> well, we would argue that mike brelo should not have been charged at all. if your viewers are unaware, this chase started with what police believed to be a gunshot, and it exceeded by some accounts 100 miles per hour and maybe up to 120 miles per hour through all manner of traffic control signals, so it was highly dangerous to everybody involved. when the chase turned around in a dead end area and the subject vehicle started coming back at the police who were chasing, that's when the gunfire started after the subjects drove into police cars. >> it clearly, clearly was a high stakes high pressure situation. nobody disputes that.

by the way, what police officers thought was a gunshot that it began with, maybe it was a pop, they heard a pop, and it might have been a car backfiring or a gunshot, but either way once the car surrounded it was officer brelo that jumped on the hood of the victim's car and shot 15 more times. >> actually he first retreated. he and his partner, shot because of their fear and i reviewed the videotaped statements of all the police officers involved. because of their fear for imminent harm to themselves and partners they shot through the windshield of their own car many time and then they bailed out as did other officers that engaged in this shooting with the blair of sirens and blazing lights and strobes, and it was

grand versus conner the decision about these cases, did he act reasonably is the question? >> the prosecutor says no, it was not reasonable for officer brelo to jump on the hood of the victim's car and to shoot 15 times at the victims. that's what -- the prosecutor says that was not fear necessarily, and that sounds like anger. >> well this entire round of gunfire, the entire event, took place over the course of 18 seconds, and that included gaps in the fire. so we're talking about an officer who believes he is about to be hit by the subject vehicle, who believes both people in the car have weapons who -- where gunfire was already started by other police officers, and mike brelo is in the middle of this as depicted in the state attorney's general

report. >> well there were conflicting reports coming over the police scanner. let me play you an illustration of that. >> use caution, occupants are armed. >> so heard two separate things. the suspects are armed, and he doesn't have an arm, he has a black glove and not a gun. why was that car hit with a barrage of bullets? >> well this is really the case depending on the belief of mike brelo and heavily on the belief of other police officers involved and from the statements i reviewed each and every one of them had a reasonable fear that they were in imminent jeopardy from the subjects and not only from the potential of weapons in the hands of the subject, but when the car turned back towards the pursuers the car became a

weapon too, and hit the car adjacent sun the to brelo's and was rolling towards them and the car was a weapon as well. >> no doubt this was a high anxiety moment and 13 officers firing and 137 shots fired, and 15 of them by mike brelo, and how is all of that not excessive force? >> again, this case hopefully will be judged by the standards laid out by the supreme court, and that is what would a reasonable police officer have done in officer brelo's shoes, and what did a dozen other officers close to the center of the chase, what did they do? they started to fire as well. based on all of these beliefs and based on this lengthy chase, and not knowing what was in the car but suspecting a gun had been fired and raised during the

lengthy pursuit. the question is not for you and me, alisyn because we are citizens but what would a reasonable officer do? >> a judge will be decide we understand it as early as may 18th. how do you think this case is going to end? >> i hope and the judge has said this he is going to put the extraneous voices like yours and mine this morning to the side and make his decision based on the facts. my hope is that mike brelo is acquitted of these charges. i don't think he should have been charged. i think 12 other officers given the radio transmissions, and the high-speed chase that occurred they may have been wrong, but according to the supreme court, you can be wrong and still be reasonable if you are a police officer. that does happen. this defines policing in our country today, and the police are approaching situations and it just happened in hattice

burg mississippi, not knowing what is in the car and trying to figure it out and wishing they had more time to make the decision. >> this is the national conversation we seem to be having every week about policing in this country, and we thank you for having the conversation with us this morning. let's get to chris. jeb bush is raising a lot of cash and some saying as much as $100 million. why are his numbers in the polls dipping dipping? that's coming up. on 6 different criteria, why did a panel of 11 automotive experts name the volkswagen golf motor trend's 2015 car of the year? we'll give you four good reasons. the volkswagen golf. starting at $19,295, there's an award-winning golf for everyone.

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in retrospect the intelligence that everybody saw, that the world saw and not just the united states was faulty. by the way, guess who thinks that those mistakes took place as well? george w bush. >> jeb bush telling fox news he would have made the same decision as george w his brother, when it comes to iraq. this has key poll numbers looking not so great for the brother bush. we welcome our guests a republican strategist and a democratic strategist so neither of you are impartial. we know that. that's why we are here. let me ask you, ana, the scoop is that your friend jeb bush

misheard the question from megan kelly and answered it the way he did because of that? >> i think he did. i think frankly he was referring to what we knew then not what we know now. it's the only way the entire answer makes sense, because then he goes to to say what you just posted him saying was that the information was faulty. look the only person probably running in the race who did see the information and the intel was hillary clinton, and she voted yes, and based on that intel, a lot of people would have voted yes and that's what he said. >> but, paul the question was knowing what we know today happened in iraq would you still have done what your brother did to invade, and he said yes, he would do the same thing that george w. bush did? >> i didn't know he had a hearing impairment and we pray

for his swift recovery and the question was, we lost almost 4,500 heroes over a trillion dollars, and trends of thousands of troops wounded, and would you have done it and the only answer is certainly not. >> if he gives that answer all of us run with he doesn't agree with his brother. it's not really a fair premise for questioning him? why would you take a bad decision. he is the only one that is being held to a standard that nobody else is and is it fair to ask that to him? >> yes. he wants to be our president. it was his brother's decision to mislead us into iraq was the most consequential mistake, and hillary clinton said it was a

mistake and she should not have casted that vote. it's the biggest disaster we have had as a country. he is a fine man, but not a good president. >> let's put it in context here. he gave a solid interview on a bunch of different issues and the one thing we are focusing on is that iraq question. >> that was an eyebrow raising one. >> people are salacity to see jeb throw his brother under the bus and to see space in between them, and jeb loves his brother and that's going to be something hard for him to do. should he have answered the question the way he did? no nobody running for

hypothetical questions, you don't answer them. >> i need to write that down. >> he answered it the way hillary clinton answered it when the intelligence was put in front of her. >> as it stands he is saying he would have done exactly the same thing. do you think we will hear a clarification from jeb bush? >> i don't know if you will hear it. i can tell you that i e-mailed him this morning and i said hey, i am a little confused by this answer, so i am wondering did you mishear the question and he said yes, and when you hear the entirety of this answer and he talks about the faulty information, it's hard not to conclude that he misheard the question. >> so what is his answer? >> he must have heard if we knew what we knew then -- >> what was his answer? >> i didn't ask him.

that's one for his spokesperson not for me. it's too early in the morning, okay for me to be exchanging e-mails and being coherent about something that happened ten years ago. >> you look good. frankly the last thing he should be doing is relitigating this. >> let's talk about another issue that came out in the interview, and that's about immigration. he said he would reverse president obama's executive action executive order on letting dreamers stay in the country. what do you think of that paul? >> well he is going to have to run on that and i think that's going to really not be looked well upon certainly by latino americans and by anglo-americans anglo-americans, and the idea that we should take children and no nothing else and deport them. >> he didn't say that they

should all be deported. he said he would with draw the executive order, and many believe that to be he doesn't mean -- >> nobody on the republican side thinks that executive action was the right way to achieve that. what he also said was that he would pass immigration reform and that the executive orders wouldn't be repealed and affect those that are right now being held by them so not to disrupt their lives. what i interpreted it to mean i want to repeal them and they should be repealed and this is not the way to do it but we need to pass immigration reform and not leave those folks in limbo. there's a bunch of folks in limbo now. remember part of the executive orders that were passed are in litigation right now, and they have not been put in effect. this is not the way to solve immigration. >> everybody wants legislation, and of course legislation would

supersede an executive order, and that goes without saying and everybody wants it. we have a republican party, a tea party congress mr. bush's own party, and it's blocking reform and the president said we are not going to deport children who have done nothing wrong. mr. bush now probably wants to deport them. >> thank you for all the medical advice as well. tkpwt stuffhe good stuff is coming up. stick around for that, please. it's a good one.

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all good for him right? wrong. he picked up the dresser at an estate sale, and he is giving the find all of it to the former owner's son. >> wonderful. >> and rare. >> legally and ethically, rare. >> nice. let's carry on with the day. >> good morning. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," not again. another powerful earthquake hits nepal. this is what it looked like the moment the 7.3 quake hit. we're monitoring the situation on the ground. >> also somebody shot at george zimmerman. >> he said i do not have a phone, i have a gun, i shot george zimmerman, please call 911. >> the former neighborhood watch man injured by flying glass. what is