the train and they're very very upset. >> this video shows rescues in progress. those lucky enough to walk away in a state of shock. >> i could see the blood on people's faces. they can't move luckily like i'm still here i'm still walking. i got really lucky. >> first responders in the dark of night combing the area for injured and those unaccounted for. >> i've never seen anything so devastated. they're in pretty bad shape. you can see that they've completely, completely derailed from the track. >> helicopters hover as rescuers sift through the wreckage. why all this happened still unclear. amtrak is cooperating with the ntsb which launched a go team to assist in the investigation. >> as i read about things or see this on news like oh a plane crashes, a train derails but you never actually think it's going to happen to you. >> the scene is visually overwhelming. the challenge here is going to be for these crews that are still out there in this port

richmond area outside philadelphia to find everything they can in this mangled mess of train wreckage. it is a shock that the death toll is not ten times as high as it is right now. as we said ntsb investigators are going to be on the scene this morning. they're going to be searching for clues on what caused this. speed will be an obvious concern. and this curve that we'll be talking about this morning where the train derailed it has a history. in 1943 79 people died when a train derailed here. it's one of the deadliest crashes in history. cnn's sarah sidner is very close to the crash site. she has a look at the wreckage and more importantly the investigation. sarah, what's the latest? >> reporter: what we've been seeing all morning is investigators coming out. some of them definitely amtrak because we've been seeing their cars drive up and looking very closely at the rail all the way up to where the train derailed. i want to give you a look at that so you can see as far as our camera can see.

you can see some of the investigators still standing there now. they've been on that spot for quite some time. and we keep seeing people sort of walk through and look very closely at the rail there right at that really sharp turn that curve. and you can see just past that curve you will see the first or the -- or what turns out to be the last car that derailed of the seven cars that derailed. we've been also watching as they had firefighters out here. they had a canine who jumped into that last car there seemingly looking for anyone who was still left. and we've also been seeing someone stand at the tracks and put down what looks like trying to measure this width in between the tracks. we're seeing that happen right now with those gentlemen who are wearing the bright orange looking at the width of the tracks there with a device. really what we know at this point in time is that somewhere

past that curve this train started to derail. we don't know which car derailed first, but we certainly know that seven of the cars did end up derailing. the one you're seeing now is sort of leaning to the right. but there are cars that are just tipped over. one of them is so mangled, chris, that it's hard to even recognize it as a train car. it is so completely mangled and disfigured. and we've been hearing from those who have been inside who have described the absolute chaos that they went through as it derailed. also one other thing, we've talked to a couple of residents here who said they could hear it. they could hear the train coming and that it sounded like it was making loud screeching noises that they don't normally hear when they hear this train going back and forth from washington to new york regularly. so that may give you some indication that maybe something was wrong before it hit this curve. chris. >> yeah. i mean look these are all the right questions you're asking

sara. the answers are going to come. they're probably going to come slowly because of all the intensity on the human element of this right now to find the people. and it's a little deceptive to look at when you see these pictures because the engine itself the front car, seems like it was about on the right path. but you have to remember there's such a tremendous weight difference between that car and all the other ones where the passengers sit in these cars that came off the rails. they twist and mangled so quickly. but here the situation for the rescuers people who've been working that site overnight, they can't even describe it except through repetition. you know hearing these guys say it's bad, bad, bad, bad. the mayor, mayor nutter here in philadelphia saying i've never seen anything like this in my life. it seems exaggerated until you see these pictures and you realize that they're dealing with something that's very difficult on a lot of levels. now, the obvious is that service has been suspended between new york and philadelphia on the trains and it's done so indefinitely because of what you see in front of you. the tracks are in ribbons right

now. and this section that's known as the northern corridor for amtrak is very heavily trafficked. and all regional service is going to be impacted by what happened here. let's take a look at what hundreds of thousands who rely on trains to get around the northeast are going to deal with this morning. we have cnn's christina aleshi at penn station. how are people coping with the news let alone travel today? >> reporter: well people are just trying to figure out how they're going to get to their destination. of course penn station was supposed to be the final destination for that derailed train, chris. and it is the busiest hub in the country. and a major stop along the northeast corridor the one that you're talking about that runs from boston to washington, d.c. and it is the busiest passenger line in the country.

just to give you some size and scope, over 750,000 trips on a daily basis. over 2,000 passenger trains use this line on a daily basis. 60 freight trains. so it is a heavily trafficked corridor. and to put even more color around this chris, as you know amtrak has been very vocal about the need for upgrades along this line. in fact on its website it says that it is approaching the limits of capacity on this line. and it is in desperate need of rehabilitation rehabilitation. this is not new news in the sense that this is a line that needs more work done to it. and hopefully, you know one outcome here would be more attention to the need for infrastructure development. chris. >> look that's been a common complaint with a lot of different train lines, the need for infrastructure. but we don't really know what happened here yet so we're going to go slow on any type of blame that comes across. we do know that trains are allowed to go in excess of 100

miles per hour, but they're supposed so slow down when they get into commercial and residential areas like where this crash occurred. let's talk to somebody who lived through it. her name is beth david. she was a passenger on the train when it derailed. how are you, sweetheart? >> considering, i'm okay. when it happened it was just like a regular ride. the first moment it felt like it was leaning to the right and then you knew that it wasn't just a sharp turn. >> why? >> everything -- because, i mean everything the car started to turn over on pt side. the car went dark. people and things were -- >> you knew right away? >> i mean like after the initial turn it just kind of -- you just kind of it -- i mean i have no idea how long it

actually was -- >> you went to the hospital? >> yeah. >> you're a little rubbed up. >> it wasn't that bad. >> you've got a good lump on the side of your head. they did some tests on you? >> yeah. i'm fine. the thing was is that i was stuck at the bottom -- i was on the third car. so we had to actually climb out the top of the window to get out. there was people next to me a woman was stuck underneath some seats helping another woman out who was there. some people were helping, some people were looking for exits. then we started to look for an exit so we climbed out because we smelled smoke. we had to jump off the top which was like eight feet. once i saw the other cars you just feel thankful that -- i mean people weren't coming out of those cars. >> it's amazing so many of you made it out of what we understand right now. we know people are still unaccounted for, but just to hear so far it is a handful of

people who lost their lives. you're saying it really could have been so much worse from what you felt and what you saw. >> i mean just kind of like looking at the first two cars. that moment decision which car should i sit in seems so trivial, i was on a phone call that's the reason i wasn't in the second car. i went to the third. but that trivial decision i mean could have -- at least provided other injuries. i'm still not quite feeling -- i'm sure not -- >> you look a little shaken up to be honest with you. >> yeah. >> your family knows you're okay? you've been in contact with everybody? >> yeah. everyone knows i'm fine. >> and given yourself a little bit of time today to process what happened? because, i mean you know this is something that hopefully you only deal with once in your life on any level. >> yeah i mean you hope. there was laughter yeah. but i mean it does make you

think about things in general. i mean today, it's all about logistics, how do i get home i don't have a wallet i'm borrowing my friends shoes. >> we're going to help you with that. that's the easy part. you made it through the hard part. sometimes, you know you're just kind of living through this thing and you're not taking care of yourself in the immediate moments. i mean you got checked out, they said your head's okay. >> i was at the hospital with other people. it was fine. i got checked out by the doctors and the nurses. talked to investigators. and i'm fine. >> how are people handling it? i know you had to fend for yourselves here just because of how quickly it happened and the urgency to get out of these trains. you said some people were helping each other. >> right. >> did people seem like they were okay in getting the help they need snd. >> i mean they did. at first people were making sure other people who were underneath could be helped up. i mean people were helping people come off the top of the train. i mean there was a point of helping. i mean one girl was asking for her mother who was still in the car. so i mean you're kind of in

shock not sure what to do. it totally ranged. people were just looking for a phone because that's one of the things you do or a laptop and other people shocked me. one person wanted to borrow my phone because she didn't have hers and we just hugged. just kind of those moments where you go from logistics to calling family to just you know -- >> when you see the pictures as scary as it is that you were in it are you able yet to realize how fortunate you are that you're standing here and just a little worse for wear but alive? >> yeah definitely. i mean once you see those pictures -- i mean it was actually that first moment of seeing those crumpled cars in front of you, you just feel thankful. actually i think in that moment when i was kind of tumbling i mean i really thought this might be the end. i mean there's no way to know in the darkness. so just being able to taste dirt was lovely because you knew you

were alive and okay. and you can figure out the rest. >> that's exactly right. you've been through the hard part. an experience like that rolling over in that train, i know that that's got to be just the scariest thing. >> i mean it's just -- just haven't processed it. >> don't force yourself to either. >> yeah. >> you're on tv right now. this will hit you later like i was on tv? give yourself the time. make sure you check in with some medical people later on. >> right. >> as well. because when you take a hit to the head like that you know you want to give yourself time and make sure you keep evaluating yourself all right? >> all right. >> we'll help you make sure that you get home. don't worry about that. >> i would really appreciate that. >> we've got some donuts and coffee action for you. the little things will help right now. >> yeah they will. >> just to be a little rubbed up you're very lucky. >> thank you. >> thank you for talking to us about it this morning. and hopefully we wind up that everyone unaccounted for, hopefully it's just a listing

thing and there's not more horrible news. but thank god you made it out. >> yeah. >> we'll get you some coffee. >> thank you so much. >> beth david, so many were so lucky here to make it out. and we're going to start hearing more news about who didn't and why because the rescuers are working the scene very very actively right now. let's get a bit better understanding of what's going on. i'm going to let beth get some coffee and donuts and take the mic off you and see you in a bit. let's bring in mary schiavo, the former inspector general for the department of transportation and she's also a cnn aviation analyst as you well know. mary it's so difficult. you just heard beth there trying to piece together what happened from a passenger's perspective. it went from normal to you know so highly abnormal so quickly. she describes rolling around and tumbling. you see the pictures for yourself. you know the history of this curve. not to point to that as an indication but what are the considerations early on once they sort through the wreckage

about how they'll try to evaluate why? >> well the first thing the ntsb thing will do besides surveying the site and looking at the train and the tracks is they're going to get that black box off the locomotive. because the locomotive black box is very much like an aircraft black box and it will tell the speed, the settings on the controls when and where the train blew its whistle. that won't be an issue here but it will have a recreation of this journey of the train very much like an airplane black box. and then the ntsb will be looking especially closely i think at three things because they're on their most wanted list the thing they want most for train safety did this track and did this train have something called positive train control. and that's a new system. the federal government wanted on all trains and tracks by the end of this year. it's not going to happen. there's just too many trains and tracks to get it done. but that would prevent train-to-train collisions or overspeed derailments or trains

entering work zones. and they also want to look at survivability of the cars and crumple zones. a lot of things the ntsb will be looking at besides just what caused this crash. >> because obviously their concerns are going to be the integrity of the system overall. when you look at this the way the tracks are mangled, the way that these cars are twisted and blown apart and part of that bridge went right through the cars like nothing, does that indicate the intensity of which, you know this moment happened? do they assess how twisted and how much force seems to have been applied, how much momentum is involved in terms of understanding the speed that was carried into that curve? >> oh absolutely. and the ntsb has gotten an awful lot of experience with the two crashes in new york, california north carolina all within a space of a few months. and they will have the expertise of course to do that and evaluate literally the forces on those train cars.

and, you know with that curve right there and the real devastation that we see on those cars i think one of the first things they'll be looking for is the speed of the train because of the force and the momentum of which it just shredded one of the cars and destroyed some of the track and the infrastructure. so they'll be looking at that. but again, that's going to be on that black box. they won't have to guess. but then they'll be looking at the effects on the cars. and if those newer cars what they call the crumple zone cars the collision energy management cars which actually absorb some of the force of the collision, they'll look to see if any of those cars were modified for that. and if that might have made a difference if they were not. >> you know it's interesting you say that when i was talking to one of the guys working the scene i said you know he mentioned that some of these cars are actually designed to crumple. and i was like does that explain what i'm seeing. he said no these cars are way beyond the capacity of any force

they're designed to take in. and he was like i can't believe how many people survived this and walked through. and something that's interesting to note we are talking a lot about speed. we haven't heard them point to that yet. but the obvious kind of suggests it. and yet that one deadly crash here on this same curve, mary they say wasn't so much about speed. it was about something called a journal box underneath one of the cars that had burned out and shorted and caused the derailment. and then it was just about locomotive momentum after that that caused it. so we have to keep some perspective on how each of these elements come into play. mary as we learn more we'll come back to you for more understanding on it. thank you for being with us this morning. again, alisyn it is just amazing to look at these pictures and realize that we were just talking to beth and so many people walked away. at current count five people have lost their lives. but that number could so easily have been so much higher. >> oh absolutely chris. we're looking at the devastation there. it's amazing that so many people did survive although so many

people did go to the hospital with injuries and some in critical. obviously we'll keep a close eye on that. much more from chris at the crash site in philadelphia in a moment. we want to look at some other top stories for you right now because there are reports surfacing this morning that north korea publicly executed its defense minister. spies in south korea say he was killed for disrespecting leader kim jong-un possibly for falling asleep at a military event. this as a defector from north korea tells cnn that kim's power base is crumbling. for the latest let's get right to cnn's kathy novak live in seoul for us. what is the latest kathy? >> reporter: well alisyn we're told that this man is accused of neglecting his duties of disrespecting the leader by not following kim jong-un's orders, expressing discontent about kim jong-un and we hear he fell asleep at an event ordered by kim jong-un himself. this is coming from south korean lawmakers who attended an intelligence briefing.

and this very senior minister was someone who survived the transition from kim jong-il. he was representing north korea at an international security summit in moscow. then it seems all of a sudden these reports came out of his public execution with antiaircraft gun. as you mentioned, a very high-ranking official who has defected told cnn he believes these executions are part of a feeling from kim jong-un that he's losing his grip on power. of course all this information from north korea always very difficult to verify and no official confirmation from state media yet. michaela. >> that likely won't come for some time. thank you so much for that kathy. meanwhile, breaking news out of pakistan. police now saying six gunmen on motorcycles opened fire on a bus in karachi killing 42 people wounding at least 40 others. the bus carrying men, women and children from a shiite sect. a splinter group from the

pakistani taliban has now claimed responsibility for that attack. the search for a missing u.s. military helicopter underway in nepal this morning. six u.s. marines and two nepalese service members on board delivering humanitarian aid following that powerful earthquake in the region tuesday. radio transmissions indicate the crew was having some type of fuel problem. it's not clear exactly what happened. earthquake of course killing at least 83 people and injuring nearly 2,000. officials in wisconsin releasing police dash cam video from the night unarmed teenager tony robinson was shot and killed in madison. we've learned the officer who fired the shots will not face charges. we're live in madison. good morning, ryan young. >> reporter: good morning, michaela. this is dramatic video. we knew this evidence existed and now we're getting to see it for the first time. i want to tell you parts are going to be a little difficult to watch. as you watch you can see the very first moments after the officer arrived, went upstairs

and some sort of struggle happened inside this house and then the shots were fired. take a listen. [ gunfire ] >> shots fired. >> so we now know that the shots were fired two different times. in fact matt kinny shot three times and three more times and one time. seven times. unarmed teen tony robinson was killed in front o this home. the d.a. believes the video is inconclusive and shows the officer should not be charged. in fact people in this community are reacting to it. we know there will be a rally here at 9:00 this morning. we did see people showing up in masks sitting in the middle of the street blocking traffic yesterday. we believe some of the same activity will happen today. but it was peaceful overnight. a lot of people in madison having a chance to digest the information that the d.a. laid out. he laid it out very conclusively in terms of why he didn't charge

this officer. now we're moving forward with the rally starting at 9:00. alisyn. >> good let's hope everything remains peaceful. we know you'll keep us posted ryan. thank you for that. much more on the deadly train derailment in philadelphia but first, is the public execution of a top official in north korea a sign of kim jong-un's power or that it's crumbling? and we sit down with governor chris christie and his wife speaking about once loyal supporters who cut and ran and how their children feel about a possible move to the white house. that big interview for you ahead. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq. why do we do it? why do we spend every waking moment, thinking about people? why are we so committed to keeping you connected? why combine performance with a conscience?

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welcome back to "new day." we will return to our breaking news coverage in philadelphia in a second. but first, new reports this morning that north korea's dictator kim jong-un publicly executed his own defense minister. what's going on in that inner circle? let's bring in our cnn global affairs analyst and peter binart and professor at city university of new york. gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. these reports are stunning. kim jong-un allegedly executed his own defense minister using antiaircraft gunfire. this happened publicly. what is going on in his inner circle? >> well you know it's always extremely difficult to understand what's going on in north korea, but this is not the first execution. we've seen a lot of executions since kim jong-un took power. in 2013 he executed his uncle who'd been considered to be someone who was very influential. there does seem to be some evidence that he's having trouble consolidating power.

that he's an erratic very inexperienced leader who sees threats everywhere. and you do have to wonder can he continue on like this forever. >> one of the reports, bobby, is he executed this defense minister for dozing off at a military event. we're also told he more than a year ago poisoned his own aunt. also as peter just said is accused of killing 15 officials in just the past year. what are we to make of what's happening with his powers? does this mean it's crumbling or consolidating power? >> well he's certainly trying to send a message. 15 military officers executed 70 since he took over he's sending a message. and the nature of these executions executions use of antiaircraft gun, that blows a body into smitherenes. the context is this his father had 20 years to prepare to take over. he'd been declared the ere and had a long time to consolidate

even before he became the ruler. kim jong-un sort of became ruler just overnight. very few people had heard of him outside of a very tight circle in korea. so it is possible with the caveat that it's almost impossible to know what's going on in north korea, it's possible that he didn't have the time to consolidate and is doing so after the fact. there have been reports professional north korea watchers have been saying that there are reports that the north korean military don't respect him as much as they did his father. they see him as a sort of gawky little kid who doesn't really have any credibility. and in that sort of slightly crazy regime the best way to establish credibility is to murder a lot of people. >> we've always seen him as a little unhinged. does this mean he's cracking? what does it mean for the u.s.? >> we don't know whether he's cracking or not. i do think that it's true that there have been questions about legitimacy. there are even questions about his bloodline about whether in fact -- whether his mother may

have been japanese and whether in fact he was really the person who should have been in the line to take control. i do think what makes north korea so difficult is that there is -- it's a regime that can act in a very very erratic way and a regime that has a history of trying to get international attention and gain international aid by doing very frightening things. so it's always striking how relatively little attention north korea gets. we talk all the time about the potential danger of iran potentially getting one nuclear weapon. north korea has a nuclear weapon already and in terms of the way they behave they're much more irrational actor than say iran is. >> very quickly i want to touch on other international news today. there are three -- there's an arab summit that's supposed to be happening this week at camp david. three arab leaders have said they won't be coming. oman and the iae say it's because -- sorry, uae say it's because their leaders are sick very ill. but saudi arabia king salman

says he's going to skip it. what are we to make of that bobby? >> well the saudis are very upset. all the arab states are quite disturbed by the u.s. what they see the u.s. getting closer and closer to their traditional enemy which is iran. king salman hasn't even come up with a traditional excuse of not being well. he says he's not coming because he has to supervise the cease-fire in yemen, the king of saudi arabia is not supervising any cease-fires. he's not coming because he doesn't want to come. and he's sending a signal he's unhappy with the obama administration. >> about iran and about yemen? >> about iran primarily. yemen is a piece of that because the houthis are seen as a cat's paw for iran. iran is at the center of this discussion. and the saudis are being a little petulant. >> how big of a problem is this? we have a few seconds left. >> well it shows there is a bridge that needs to be rebuilt with the saudis for all they are the u.s.'s longest standing

allies in that part of the world. and it is a problem not really at an operational level but at a political level. >> peter, bobby, thanks so much for all the insight. nice to see you this morning. we want to go back to chris who is of course at the scene of that train derailment. chris. >> rene marsh and i are here getting new details about the investigation. we're going to give you the latest developments on what happened when this train went off the tracks here in philadelphia. stay with us because federal investigators are still working the scene very hard. there are hundreds of rescues out there still to be done. they still have accounted for anybody. we're going to get you caught up on the investigation and the latest rene marsh and i. stay with us. >> it is a level 3 mass casualty incident. >> crawl forward, sir. strong can heal from miles away. unite us for a common good. and turn a simple video into endless laughter.

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from washington, d.c. to new york city derailed. there were about 243 people passengers and crew onboard. the pictures tell the story here. just so many cars mangled. seven cars in all. the fbi has been brought in the ntsb is here federal railroad administration officials are going to have a team here. we'll be talking about the investigation more in just a moment. but you have to know that there are hundreds working the scene right now. people are still unaccounted for. and they don't know why this happened. to be sure because the tracks are in ribbons, there will be a suspension of service indefinitely between philadelphia and new york. there's a special hotline set up for people who need information on friends and family that were onboard this train. that number is 1-800-523-9101. 523-9101. that's the 1-800 number. the big question here is of course why. but it's so early. as i said the ntsb is deploying a go-team.

they're going to come to the crash site this morning. but let's bring in rene marsh because we know there have been hundreds there are over 100 -- if we show you this is the scene right now from the air. on the ground there hard to pick out well over 100 firefighters and other first responders. there are dozens of rescue crews going through it. they haven't accounted for everybody. my understanding is the nature of the wreckage is making it difficult for them to assess who else may be there, is that right? >> right. we just got here on the scene, chris, i overheard some crime scene investigators talking about the fact that you know they were going to be tasked with flipping up some of these cars to document the scene. and they were giving fair warning that once you do that you could find bodies underneath. we did hear the mayor say just that that he cannot say definitively this was as of 1:00 this morning, but he could not say definitively that everyone had been accounted for. they were still going through the manifest. we did get short time ago some

details from the department of transportation that just really kind of illustrates the destruction that we're looking at here. those live pictures. according to the department of transportation all seven cars as we know were derailed. an engine two of the cars were upright, three were on their side one was nearly on the roof -- on its roof. and one was leaning very hard. so that's what the scene looks like behind us. >> one of the people working the scene relayed the idea that there's a whiplash effect to this and how the cars are configured and the type of damage on each actually tells the story to them about the translation of momentum off the tracks. you know what we call the derailment. obviously people are talking about speed. and there is a curve here. but two important factors. the first one is even though the trains can travel in excess of 100 miles an hour in in northern corridor corridor that probably wasn't the case here because this is a

commercial and residential area and that's relevant, right? >> absolutely. as you mentioned it can go up to 100, 110 miles per hour. but when you're coming through an area like this it's residential mixed with commercial you're going to have a speed limit that is well below 100 miles per hour. >> and they weren't at a dead run either, right? i mean they hadn't left the station that long ago in terms of building up speed. that will be relevant also right? >> right. that will also be relevant. and what's going to be key when these investigators are able to pull out those event recorders, very similar to what we talk about the black boxes. >> on airplanes. >> exactly. it will be able to tell how fast was this train traveling, were brakes applied, at what point were the brakes applied, all that kind of detail will be on the event recorders. >> they weren't positive but early assessment was they had the conductor, the motor men, the driver there to be able to do those interviews. now, 1943 one of the deadliest crashes in this country's history, derailments, crashes,

whatever you want to call it. it went off the tracks here. 79 people killed. but even in that one it wasn't definitively about speed. there was something called a journal box that had overheated below a train. >> absolutely. when you talk to investigators, crash investigators specifically they always say there's never just one incident that caused this accident. it's usually a series of events. was there error on behalf of crew member onboard? we don't know. but that's why those interviews are going to be so critical. that's why in looking at the health of the track, the health of the train will be so critical to see what were the issues that played into whatever happened here at 9:30 last night. >> one of the guys working the scene as rene says it was the middle of the night when this happened. so they were going through the dark and all he could relay is this was bad, bad, bad, bad. he just kept repeating it. the idea was because of the dark they couldn't believe they weren't finding more dead as

they went through. that's why they're continuing to comb right now. because for so many to have walked away from something like this when you look at the cars it's amazing. you'll stay up on the investigation. michaela i have to tell you it's horrible there's been a loss of life. we may learn about more. there were people very badly injured. over 100, 140 went to the hospital. but when you look the a these cars mik, you don't need to be an expert to understand how bad this could have been. >> i think a lot of those survivors right now are having a moment considering that that they were very very fortunate to walk away. chris, thank you so much for that and rene. do stay with us here at cnn for all the breaking developments from the deadly train derailment in philadelphia. first, new jersey governor christie one-on-one with jake tapper. what he now says about running for president.

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want to update you now on our breaking news. we're showing you some live aerial images from that scene in philadelphia. at least five people are dead in the amtrak derailment outside philly. about 140 others were sent to

the hospital. fire officials say six of those injured are critical. the amtrak northeast regional train 188 was traveling from washington to new york when it derailed in philadelphia. the mayor of that city says that what caused the derailment is still unclear at this hour. well a big blow for president obama's transpacific trade deal. senate democrats lining up to block debate on a bill that would pave the way to a 12-nation partnership. the white house quickly convening a meeting with ten democrats to try to find a way to move that deal forward. the objection's centered around concerns that past trade deals hurt the u.s. economy and led to jobs moving overseas. the author of the nfl's deflategate report wells saying he was not pressured by the league and his investigation was truly independent. patriots quarterback tom brady has until 5:00 p.m. thursday to appeal his four-game suspension according to fanatics.com sales of tom brady merchandise has spiked 100% since deflategate

suspension was announced. >> funny how that works. we want to get right now to our meteorologist chad myers for a look at the latest forecast around the country, in particular philadelphia, chad how is it all looking? >> it looks pretty good for philadelphia. cooler that's good news obviously you don't want to be out there trying to search in that 90-degree weather we had yesterday. houston, severe flooding still occurring right now and it's dark. be careful right now as you drive around houston this morning. there's a lot of water in the streets. there's water across a lot of texas. 6 to 10 inches of rainfall in the past 48 hours. now, the cool air has moved through the northeast taking temperatures from where we were yesterday in the 80s, 89 in d.c. today only 73. same story for philadelphia about a ten-degree drop from where you were yesterday. new york city though cool day today, 68. 73 72 a delightful looking weekend. storms in the plains for the weekend. we'll update that as it gets closer alisyn. okay chad thanks so much for that forecast. meanwhile, the breaking news.

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now, i think president bush made the best decision he could at the time given that his intelligence community was telling him there was wmd and there were other threats right there in iraq. but i don't think you can honestly say that if we knew then that there was no wmd that the country should have gone to war. so my answer would be no. but i think, you know what we got to avoid is continuing to go backwards in this country. we need a forward looking foreign policy that talks about how to reassert american authority and influence around the world. but i want to directly answer your question because that's what i do. if we knew then what we know now and i were the president of the united states i wouldn't have gone to war. but, you know we don't get to replay history. >> jake also had a chance to talk to governor christie with his wife mary pat, by his side. they talked about the troubles facing urban america, the supporters who turn their backs on them when times got tough and how their children feel about their father possibly running for the highest office in the

land. >> so i know he hasn't announced anything but theoretically play along with me here theoretically you also would have a job, you also would have a role of prominence. you would be first lady. is that anything you've even thought about? >> oh no. i really haven't. no. i've worked my whole life. and just love being with chris on what we're doing now. just starting this conversation. and hearing people's reactions. so i kind of roll with things. >> one of the things that's emerged this past year or so has been a tremendous amount of unrest in urban environments. you're a former u.s. attorney but by the same token you have reached out to the african-american community. and there are a lot of people in the african-american community who look at law enforcement, especially police officers with mistrust. and with the advent of cell phone cameras we're seeing sometimes they have reason to have that mistrust.

>> sure. well listen we have a lot of work to do jake on this issue. that's why i'm an advocate for body cameras for law enforcement. i think law enforcement should want to have what they do recorded. for their own safety and protection and for the safety and protection of the people they serve. you know in camden which you know for a long time was the most dangerous city in america. we've really had a renaissance there not only in terms of reduction of crime, the last two years murders are down 55% in camden, but also a new approach to policing. we're really doing community policing in camden. we have more police officers on the street and on foot and on bicycle. they're interacting with the public in a much different way and we're seeing the police force and community, predominantly minority community in camden really working together to reduce crime. i think camden is a great example of what can be done across the country. but it's going to take work. >> i know you haven't announced any decision yet when it comes to whether or not you're going to run for president, but you have said in the past this is the kind of thing you're going to sit down with your whole

family and have a conversation. how do the kids feel about the possibility of you running? >> it varies depending on the kid, right. we've already had a lot of these conversations. our oldest son, andrew is very positive and enthusiastic about it and encouraging to me. and, you know our daughter sara is more like well how is this going to effect me. and she's more concerned about how it's going to effect her day-to-day life at notre dame. and our two younger children are just focused on one thing, are we not going to see you and mom? and so our job and i think part of mary pat's decision about leaving her full-time job as we consider this is to give a sense of reassurance to the kids to let them know we're going to be there. >> and one last question for you, you've been there when there were all these donors in 2011 begging him to run for president. now is it a little more difficult, little bumpier since the bridge thing? and i'm wondering if it's tough on you to see people that you --

that once were supportive of your husband. >> right. >> not being supportive. >> i mean it certainly is disappointing when you had throngs of people encouraging you to do this. and maybe the enthusiasm isn't as crazy as it was. but what i will tell you because i do make a lot of phone calls is that everyone always says that i know he'd be a great president. and when you have those conversations, it kind of is reassuring. and you know that deep down they know he can do the job. and certainly believe in his ability. >> and i think, you know part of this is you know it's going to be hard no matter what. so i get lots of people that come to us say you should have done it four years ago. and i tell you one thing i know for sure i wasn't ready to be president four years ago. and so the worst thing wasn't not running. it was if i'd run -- >> we do have some breaking news

to bring you right now. these are officials at temple university hospital updating us on the injured that they are caring for there. let's listen. >> -- treated them. one of the patients who arrived here died from their injuries. we're not able to release any additional information about that patient at this time. 25 of those patients were treated and released. and 25 are still at the hospital. the entire team responded wonderfully. most of the injuries were muscular skeletal so arms and legs and ribs. and i'm extremely proud of how all the folks at temple hospital did. i'll take a few questions. [ inaudible question ] >> it's an extra person. >> it is now six? >> yep -- i can't say. next of kin doesn't know yet. [ inaudible question ] yeah a lot of the folks were from out of town. so we have special arrangements with our patient engagement

folks to make sure the families are taken care of. and amtrak i know helped out last night. they helped with transportation and housing. >> how about the extent of the injuries? >> yeah most of the injuries were fractures. so rib fractures, leg and arm fractures. >> how many remain in critical condition? >> we have eight in critical condition still. three went to the operating room last night. immediately. [ inaudible question ] many folks came in on their own. and we called in extra surgeons and nurses to make sure we had a full team here. lots of trauma surgeons, orthopedic surgeons, everyone responded wonderfully. they really stepped up and did a great job. the nurses radiologists all the technicians and laboratory folks did a splendid job of stepping up and coming. >> can you give us a sense of what it was like inside the e.r. when it was a chaotic scene?

>> it was busy but it was not chaotic. folks were coming in and we triaged them as they came in and took care of the sickest folks first. we had a medical and surgical side. on the medical side most of the folks did well. most of the injuries were not medical in nature. there were some people with chest pain who did just fine. most of the issues were in the surgical and trauma side. >> what's the status right now in general inside the hospital? >> we're back to normal. seeing patients. we kept seeing patients all through the event. >> anything else about the sixth patient pass away what exactly did they die of can you tell us? >> chest injury. massive chest injury. >> anybody -- shock -- >> well there will be counselling for the families. a lot of them are from out of town. i took a fellow from albania visiting here talked to a fellow from india was planning to go back home on friday. i talked to someone else who was here from spain visiting family. so there were lots of people

from all around the world. and they just happened to be here and on that train when it went down. [ inaudible question ] >> there was a sixth victim who died here last night. i can't release the identity or the sex of the victim now because the next of kin doesn't know yet. >> are they from just the northeast part of the country or different areas of the country, doctor that you're aware of? >> i can't say. >> talk to us about the level 3 mass casualty and what standard operating procedure goes into effect in that first phone call and who does that come from? >> the level 4 mass casualty is called by the incident commander on the scene who makes the call. usually it's the emergency department or the trauma team. and then that triggers all the folks coming in from home who aren't already here. because it was nighttime the daytime folks had gone home. anyone that was leaving a shift we stopped and made sure we didn't need them. and they stayed and helped out. >> did it work as a well-oiled machine? >> it worked splendidly. we got all the folks triaged and

off to the right places within a few hours. i wondered if there would be more people with extraications later. so we cleared out as much as we could if there were more folks found later. >> we were initially told 36 victims and then rose to 54. did they all come in ahead of the midnight hour? >> i don't know. >> are you in contact with the ntsb or oem people at the scene are we expecting any more patients rooifing are they finding any others? >> i'm not aware they are. there were a variety of authorities here fromover night. and we were in contact with the city of philadelphia police department, fire department all the usual folks overnight. >> you're not aware of any other patients coming in? >> i'm not aware of any more coming in. good point. 54 showed up here. we still had 25 in the hospital. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world.

i'm chris cuomo. behind me is the scene of a horrific train crash in philadelphia. an amtrak train that was going from washington, d.c. to new york city derailed here outside philadelphia philadelphia. we do know six people have lost their lives, well over 100 were sent to the hospital. we were just at a press conference. one of the fortunate things is that this crash did happen in a big city like philadelphia where they do have a lot of great trauma centers. and he did say the death toll went up by one from five to six. it was a massive chest injury. the next of kin has not been identified yet. and that's a big factor here. the unknown. there are hundreds of first responders on the scene right now. many are still unaccounted for in wreckage that is almost impossible to describe. we'll be here in philadelphia. michaela and alisyn are back in new york. and cnn has complete coverage this morning. we're going to tell you right now here's what happened

overnight. a new york city-bound amtrak passenger train from washington, d.c. over 200 people onboard rolling on its side. seven cars in disarray twisted and torn like tinfoil. >> it is an absolute disastrous mess. never seen anything like this in my life. >> at least five dead over 100 hospitalized. passengers describe the horror as chairs and bags go flying in the air. >> this huge red suitcase just came flying at me. our train was actually on its side. there's many injured people on the train. and they're very very upset. >> this video shows rescues in progress. those lucky enough to walk away in a state of shock. >> i could see the blood on people's faces. they can't move luckily like i'm still here i'm still walking. i got really lucky. >> first responders in the dark of night combing the area for injured and those unaccounted

for. >> i've never seen anything so devastating. they're in pretty bad shape. you can see they've completely derailed from the track. >> helicopters hover as rescuers sift through the wreckage. why all this happened still unclear. amtrak is cooperating with the ntsb which launched a go-team to assist in the investigation. >> you always like read about things or see this on news like a plane crashes, a train derails, but you never actually think it's going to happen to you. it did. >> let's bring in rene marsh right now. you know listening to that person at temple university hospital say that they lost someone else overnight, massive chest injury most of the injuries were related to being thrown around inside the car. a lot of muscular skeletal injuries that goes along with what we've been hearing from investigators. but he also pointed to the unknown. that they don't expect more casualties to come in but they said there's a lot of unknown still going on here. what is the latest from the

investigative side rene? >> well i can tell you it's absolutely right to be cautious. i was just talking to one of the lieutenants here and he kind of filled me in on what is going on behind the scenes there. they are still now that they have the sunlight they are able to see. of course it was a different story 9:30 last night. we know that earlier this morning an m.e.'s van left with two bodies according to this officer. and he is waiting now for another medical examiner's body van to show up on the scene to remove even more bodies. so we don't know the timeframe of when that will happen. but his words to me is they could find more. but they don't know. >> part of that is because the nature of this wreckage part of it is because it happened overnight. and they weren't able to get a great assessment from the people who were on the train. they were guiding themselves around by their iphones largely alone through the night making their way out of this. so investigators are playing catchup. and the big question's going to be why. speed is always an obvious

indicator in a situation like this but the investigators are saying go slow on the speed, excuse the pun, because just because there's a curve doesn't mean there was excessive speed. the trains can go in excess of 100 miles an hour. but this is a residential commercial area. and it wasn't that far from the station. and that's relevant also yes? >> that is all relevant. you know they're going to look at -- everything is on the table. we say that all the time whenever you see these investigations are in their infancy. and that is the same case here. they will look whether speed was a factor but they will look at so many other things. >> and they have the black box you were saying right, just like a plane? >> yeah. the event recorders are on board the train. so that will have a very critical information about how fast this train was going, what were the brakes applied, when were they applied, all of that information will be matched up against what the speed limit is in this particular area. they'll even look at you know the crew the schedule what was their schedule the night before? did they get enough sleep? what did they do the night

before? >> being a factor in a derailment we saw in new york not too long ago. the coach men, conductor, motor men, they all survived that's the early word so they can be interviewed. there will be bigger questions about the nature of the infrastructure the track destroyed and definite stoppage in rail traffic for obvious reasons, there are no tracks. but people are already talking about the infrastructure and what equipment this train had. so we'll be following that along. so rene let me leave that part of it with you right now. i want to go so sara sidner because she's been very, very close to the crash scene all morning and there's breaking news to tell you on that front. sara let's bring you in. the big question is why and now we have new clues to point to. >> yeah we were standing on the tracks but the police have told us we now have to move from that area the investigation is fully underway. lots of investigators out there. the gentleman from css international which is a business right along the tracks their cameras overlook the tracks brought us in when they

saw us out there. and they want to show us what their cameras caught. it's hard to see, but i want you to zoom in. jay mcmichael is going to zoom in so you can see a bit. the train is going from left to right. you'll see a white flash going across your screen. and then you'll see the moment of impact. let's go ahead and roll the video here. this is surveillance video from the top of the building that we're in now. css international overlooking where the train is. give it a couple of seconds and all of a sudden there, there there. and it's done. so that was the moment of impact. whatever happened to that train, whatever caused that you can see the immediate aftereffect of when the crash when the train basically broke apart and started rolling off of the rails there. and we've seen it in person. you've seen the pictures from the helicopters as well of the devastation left behind. now six people have died. saying they got chills watching

this because they knew what their cameras had captured chris. >> what happened the aftermath is obvious. the mystery is what's before. now, it's hard for us to read that video from where we are, rene marsh and i here outside the scene. what do you see when you look at that? are you able to capture anything clearly? or is it going to have to be really picked apart by some forensic teams? >> look when you're looking at that the thing that you notice the most is that the train is going full speed. you don't see it slowing down or anything like that there. it's just going. and we don't know how fast it's going. we don't know if that's a normal speed or not. but let's play it again for you. we're going to just back it up here. okay. so it's at 35 -- at 9:22 and this is realtime. 9:22:40. so let's pull it back just a bit

again. let's pull it back yeah. there we go. you'll start seeing it at 40 seconds after. there the train goes up here you're seeing the cars going and it's full speed. i mean it's going and then all of a sudden the flashes of light. one, two, three, four five big flashes of light there. and, again, this business is sitting here. the tracks down here. so what you're seeing there really is that there wasn't a scenario where it looked like it was slowing down for something or perhaps maybe there was something in the tracks. we just don't know at this time. but man, horrible horrible scene the aftermath of what we just saw there. >> that's going to be very valuable for investigators as well. it's still an ongoing, sara thank you very much. we'll come back to you in a little bit. this is still an ongoing situation. there are hundreds of first responders just behind us dealing with going through this twisted wreckage. we still have not heard from

officials that everybody has been accounted for. there were some 243 and it is important to note mik, as i go back to you in new york this isn't the first time there's been a tragedy here of a derailment. in the 1940s there was one, and 79 people died. and in t it's more than just what meets the eye. we'll get answers for you as we get them from authorities here michaela. >> so many people are going to want answers, what's really truly amazing is people were able to walk away from that. evidence by the two people joining me here in studio chris. jeremy and janna d' ambrisi join us to tell us about their experience. first of all, how are you both? jeremy we know you're a good friend of chris's. he's been in contact with you. you both look well how are you feeling? >> just a little shaken up. i feel lucky. like the luckiest guy alive.

battered shaken a little bruised but really lucky. >> janna, you look fit as a fiddle. >> i feel fine. my neck's bothering me a little bit from being bumped around. but just mainly tired at this point. >> let's talk about this horrific thing that you've been through. you were in the second to last car, correct, janna? >> yes. >> you take this train a fair amount regular ride? >> i don't take amtrak. but i was in d.c. for a work conference. i was sitting on the right side of the car in the aisle seat. and felt like we sped up a little bit at first as if we were almost going around a curve. >> to the point you noticed that it sped up. >> a little bit. we were speculating in the car though it may have been the whiplash from the first cars already derailing off of the track. and we were feeling the speed up of that. who knows. but we felt a jolt. immediately i could tell the train derailed. we were to the right of the

rails. and i was thrown against the girl next to me against the window. and people from the other side of the aisle started falling on top of us. so somebody's leg hit the side of my head. the rest of her body must have been in the luggage rack. >> and it happened as a jolt. it happened pretty quickly. >> it happened pretty quickly. and i just held onto this leg. and the girl next to me and ducked my head and praying, please stop please stop because we still had forward momentum. the train started to tip to the right this way. and i was just hoping we weren't going to flip or end up on our side. i thought the windows might break and glass might enter the picture. but luckily we didn't fall all the way over. >> and then there was a moment of stillness, i imagine, while everybody sort of figured out what was going on. jeremy i know chris wants to ask you about what happened to you. chris, why don't you join in the conversation? >> j, obviously i was so happy to hear from you and you were okay when you told me you were on the train. but you're a tough guy. what i was worried about was the

wife and kids at home. is everybody all right with what happened to you? is everybody calmed down now? >> yeah my wife said she didn't know about it. i called her up said i'm okay. said okay she went to sleep. i don't think she understood the magnitude of what was going on. but, yeah everybody's great. >> i know she's a big watcher of "new day" so she's going to know now, j. i know that's what you were concerned about. i know that's what went through your head and heart in a moment like that is your family. >> exactly. >> you know i love you, brother, i'm happy you're okay. it's good to put your wife and kids at rest. >> thank you. >> put their minds at ease. i'm glad you're okay buddy. >> thank you. >> so jeremy in terms of what happened to you, you were in a different car and you were sitting by the window. what was your experience? >> well i was actually sitting in the seat one over from the window on the right side. >> okay. >> or the east side of the train. and, you know it just -- i was talking to my friend who was separated by the aisle, he was on the other side. daniel we were in conversation

and i was eating which i do a lot because of the crazy business i'm in. and we were talking and the train just started to shake. and then i mean it happened so fast yet slow enough where, you know things started flying. >> you couldn't brace yourself really could you? >> at one point i did brace myself like this holding on to the seat and keeping my head ducked low because the train started to roll this way. and things were -- cell phones were flying laptops were flying. i didn't even see these two women were catapulted up into the luggage rack. because when it finally stopped, i looked up and there was a guy who was like almost on top of me and the seat had turned this way. and i was kind of wedged in there. and i looked up and there was a woman -- there were two women up in the luggage rack. i didn't know if they were looking for luggage, but they

had been catapulted in there. >> how were you able to get out of your car? >> i was lucky. i was able to get up and walk sideways to get out. >> and how about you, janna? >> we were told to wait at first -- >> by who? were the first responders already on the train? >> no they weren't. i guess they were just some passenger who is stepped up. actually somebody in the last car identified themselves as a police officer, mike. and we weren't sure if it was safe to fwo go out on the rails voltage or downed wires. so everyone was hanging tight for a little bit until i saw a flashlight and i think there was a crew member telling us to head towards the back of the train. and that's how we got out. >> and once you were out, i'm assuming it would have been chaos on the ground trying to separate those that were critically injured, those were injured. the two of you probably trying to assess if you were hurt or not. was there instruction from anyone? >> no. it was just complete chaos. i was one of the first people to walk off the train because i was

in the last car. and that car we were able to open up and get out. once i got out, you know i immediately looked up. and i went up -- i could see up ahead there were other cars that were in worse shape or looked like they were in worse shape. so i went to go help people and there was by this time there was a guy or two that said no no go back and help people off the train. so i went back to help people off the train. there was an asian -- an older asian man who was blind who we helped get him situated. but it was just chaos. everybody was so helpful and friendly and trying to do their best. it was kind of like we all became family. >> just trying to lend a hand. and then i understand once you were out you didn't really know what to do and ultimately you guys got an uber back to new york city. a group of you did? >> hours later. >> what time do you think that you were able to leave? >> i know we were at the webster school at 11:30. >> is that where they had evacuated you to? >> eventually.

after waiting around by the police cars and ambulances we didn't know what to do. we didn't know where to go. i was thinking as long as i stay here i'm safe. and actually probably irrationally i was thinking amtrak will find a way of getting us home. they'll send buses. >> did they identify you as passengers? were you marked? were you given some sort of identification so they knew who people were from the neighborhood and people were -- >> they kind of grouped us, corralled us. you don't know what to do with a couple hundred people and then there were just tons of people in the neighborhood who were all standing all over. and those people -- it was a poor neighborhood and those people were just so nice. and they started getting cases of bottles of water and passing them out and asking you know what can we do to help you, come in my house if you need to use the bathroom. >> man helping man. i love seeing that. >> it was wonderful. >> shocking to see.

it's probably upsetting to see that. i'm going to get back out to chris. you see the train now. is it amazing to you that so many of you walked away unscathed? >> we are so lucky is all i can think. we were so lucky. we didn't know what the front of the train looked like because one of the cars was perpendicular to the track. so we couldn't see beyond that in front of us. >> i don't know you're both thanking your lucky stars. chris, i know you are grateful that your friend is okay. and i'm telling you, i'm standing here he's shaken a little bit but looks hail and hardy otherwise. >> well i'll tell you, there's so many families and friends out there right now who are thankful to have people back home. it is not easy to hear jeremy talk about what he survived. and that young woman survived on that train. and luckily so many others did as well. jeremy better make sure you're telling everybody and this is a message for everybody who made it off that train that you're okay because my phone is blowing up with all our friends asking me if i know you are on cnn right now and you were in the train crash.

so make sure everybody knows you're okay. you too, young lady make sure everyone you know knows you're okay so they don't go through an anxiety of wondering what happened. it's good to see you're both all right for yourselves and your families. >> thank you. >> thanks chris. >> thanks so much for joining us here at "new day." okay. we will get back to that breaking news in a moment but we have another developing story to tell you about because an intense search is underway for a missing u.s. military helicopter in nepal. six u.s. marines and two nepalese service members were onboard delivering humanitarian aid following that powerful earthquake in the region on tuesday killing at least 94 people and injuring 1,100 more. radio transmissions indicate some type of fuel problem onboard. the u.s. government is still hopeful the aircraft did not crash. but at this point that is unclear. we have some breaking news out of pakistan. police now say six gunmen on motorcycles opened fire on a bus in karachi killing 42 wounding at least 20 others. that bus was carrying men, women

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we are following breaking news this morning. a train derailment in philadelphia has killed six people and sent 146 others to the hospital. let's bring in congressman mike mccall chairman of the house committee on homeland security. congressman, thanks so much for being on "new day" this morning. >> thanks alisyn. >> let's start with the train derailment. this is -- i was stunned to read this is at least the ninth, possibly tenth, amtrak derailment this year alone. amtrak derailments have been increasing in recent years. is congress looking into what's going on? >> yeah of course. and, you know my jurisdiction

is more from a terrorist standpoint. all indicators are at this point in time this was not a terrorist attack although i will tell you that al qaeda is intent on hitting subway trains and trains themselves as they did in spain, the uk and then the zazi case in new york. so we're always looking at the vulnerabilities that may be in place and what are the security measures that are put in place with respect to trains. very different from airline passengers in terms of the screening. it's more risk based, more intelligence based and canine based to sniff for bombs. i think in this case you had an accident. and congress will be providing oversight to determine how we can better fix this tragic situation. >> but, congressman, is it time to change the security on trains? why can you get on and off trains so easily without screenings? >> well again, there's so many people. the cost would be so high. but i think it is something we need to examine because of the vulnerability. the canines can only screen so

much. the security can only screen so much. it's very based on passenger awareness and vigilance. if you see something, say something. whereas in airports it's 100% screening. so there is a difference. >> congressman, we brought you onto talk about what's going on with isis. you of course are the co-chair of the congressional cyber security caucus. isis -- we've been talking about this a lot in the past couple days because of how deft isis has become at using the internet. what are you seeing that worries you the most? >> this is different phenomenon from bin laden who operated with couriers. we're dealing with an enemy now, isis has a very sophisticated social media program that can send out call to arms if you will over the internet directing people in the united states to activate. i've been studying foreign fighters coming out of syria and iraq through turkey, western europe and the united states. but through the internet they can activate isis followers

through a tweet, which is what we saw in the texas case of two isis followers who were activate activated to conduct a terrorist attack there. this is very hard to stop. and it's very much a concern to the department and the justice department in terms of how can we better be equipped to stop. it can happen so fast as well. and radicalization from within is something we need -- the administration needs to put more attention and focus on this. >> we saw that in the garland attack. but i also want to ask you about a fascinating report that our barbara starr has on cnn.com right now. everyone should go and read it. about how officials like you are having to deal with this sort of underbelly of the internet a place called the dark web. it's a place that can't be searched via google. what is that place look like? >> well that place is where they hide.

because offin encryption. we're trying to find needles in the haystack and the needles are going dark and it's because of this phenomenon we can't track their movements. now, the two cases in garland fortunately we were able to track over the internet. it's textbook law enforcement at its best. we relayed the information to the garland police. they were waiting for the individuals. then they stopped them. but when their encrypt goes dark we can't track them here in the united states. this is sort of a new phenomenon where they're using the internet as a weapon. >> what do we do about that dark space that's unchartable? >> well that's actually a very touchy subject between, you know law enforcement and companies, software companies, companies like apple that have

the iphones. do we want a back door in an iphone where the government can go in to track movements if they have probable cause? and i know the director of the fbi and local law enforcement want that capability. >> and are you pushing for that? >> well with the new technology i think we're having a debate in the congress about, you know privacy versus security. and do we want law enforcement to have the ability to track that. i ere on the side of safety and security. but there are many who would balance privacy over that. i think that's going to be a really healthy debate we're going to have. >> thanks so much congressman mike mccall and sharing with us what you know about the dark web. again, it's on cnn.com and a fascinating read. thanks so much for being on "new day." >> thanks for having me. let's go out to chris at the crash site in philadelphia chris. >> alisyn information is coming in from the first responders who are still on the scene. they are looking at speed.

they are looking at human error. and they're looking at track defect or obstacle. those are all just possibilities right now. we're going to give you the latest on where they're headed and the latest on the fate of all 243 that were onboard this train. still not all accounted for. stay with us. >> i could see the blood on people's faces. >> people were flying around. >> i was just kind of praying like please make it stop please make it stop. unbelievable! toenail fungus? seriously? smash it with jublia!

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i'm chris cuomo. we are live in philadelphia following breaking developments after a deadly amtrak crash.

now six people have lost their lives. as many as 150 others went to the hospital. here's what happened. there was a train on the way from washington, d.c. to new york city. as it got into philadelphia it went off the tracks in horrible fashion. there were 243 on board including passengers and crew. not all are accounted for yet. right now over our shoulder there are hundreds of first responders and rescuers dealing with what you see on your screen right now. seven cars in this train went off the track, different stages of destruction. some of them so mangled they have a piece of a bridge that went right through the middle of one of them. the wreckage is literally so twisted up that rescuers working through the night and now into the morning are still looking through it to make sure that nobody else is there. of course because tracks have been twisted into ribbons the service between philadelphia and new york and is part of the northeast corridor of rail travel suspended until further notice. there's also a special hot line

for people who need information. there are a lot of loved ones out there who haven't been in contact with people who are on this train because they lost their phones. that number is 1-800-523-9101. it's on your screen. 1-800-523-9101. this is still a very fluid situation. the ntsb is sending a go-team. they should be here now. but it's very early on because first responders are still going through that wreckage looking for people. again, 243 were onboard. we do know six people lost their lives. one in the hospital overnight. but many are critically injured and not all are accounted for. so what happened? the big question of course is why even though first responders are dealing with the urgency of the moment investigators are starting to look at whether this was about speed, whether this was about a track impediment whether this was about human error. they're all possibilities right now but no clear answers. however, there are some clues coming out.

cnn's sara sidner has surveillance video we got moments ago that captures moments before this crash. sara what do we see here and how is it going to be helpful? >> let me show you first where we are. we're on top of css international. and the camera that caught the surveillance video that we just showed you first here on cnn is just over my right shoulder just there on the building looking down. and i'll show you now where. down on to the tracks. so that camera captured in the dark at about 9:23:40 captured the train flying by. i want to show you that video now so you can see at the very top of your screen you should be able to see. it looks kind of light a white light. it's going full on. then a few seconds later you will see the flashes, one after the other after the other after the other. and that is the moment of impact. that is when the derailment happened when those seven cars ended upcoming off the tracks.

some went top si tur fivi a couple are leaning very far to the right. and one of them looks like it has just been broken open. it just mangled metal. now we're back on camera. and this is the scene live. so this is the train was coming left to right. and you can see the very end of the train. it was going northbound. you can see the end of the train there. what we've been seeing all morning, chris, is there have been investigators out here looking very closely over and over and over again walking along the tracks and looking closely at the tracks doing what looked like measurements. this was from you know very early in the morning to all the way through to when light came. there are fewer people than we've seen all day. this is the fewest people we've seen out here. they may be on the other side of this wreckage. but certainly the scene still very much active. and we are standing on the roof here so that we can give you a view of all that is going on from this angle.

chris. >> and that's going to be very helpful, sara because we're hearing from investigators that all 243 not accounted for, the reason obvious when we're looking at what's on the screen in terms of the wreckage. literally part of a bridge went through one of those cars. it disintegrated because of the force involved. and they are saying the types of positions and the amount of wreckage is telling a story for them about why this happened. trains can go in excess of 100 miles an hour. they're supposed to be going much more slowly in residential and commercial areas like this. this is also the site of a horrible crash from 1940 the same curve in the 1940s, 79 people lost their lives. so that's playing into the investigation as well. but the real headline here is how many survived. right now the count is six people lost their lives, but for anybody to have walked away here is approaching what we will refer to as a miracle in a situation like this. earlier we spoke with one of those survivors, beth david, so happy to be walking away but

still very clearly shaken up after being treated at a local hospital. here was her experience. >> i was stuck at the bottom of -- i mean i was on the third car. so we had to actually climb out the top of the window to get out. there was people next to me a woman was stuck underneath some seats helping another woman out who was there. i mean some people were helping. some people were looking for the exits. then we started like looking for an exit and we climbed out because we smelled smoke, we had to jump off the top, which was like eight feet, i had one shoe. when you see the other cars you feel thankful i mean people weren't coming out of those cars. >> it's amazing though that so many of you made it out of what we understand right now. we know people are still unaccounted for. but to just hear that so far it is a handful of people who lost their lives, you're saying it really could have been so much worse from what you felt and what you saw. >> i mean just kind of looking,

i mean at the first two cars but you know that just kind of moment decision which car should i sit in it seems so trivial. i was on the phone call so that's the reason why i wasn't in the second car, i went to the third. i mean but that trivial decision i mean, like could have you know at least prevented like other injuries. still shaken up. it was actually like that first moment of seeing those crumpled cars in front of you. i mean you just feel thankful. and actually i think in that moment when i was kind of tumbling i really thought this might be the end. i mean there's no way to know in the darkness. so i mean just being able to taste dirt is lovely because you knew you were alive and okay. >> literally thrown out of their seats, mich and alisyn guiding themselves by the lights of their iphones and trying to find a way in the dark to safety.

rescuers right now still going through the wreckage. all 243 not yet accounted for. >> chris, when we had the two victims here onset, one of whom was your friend, they talked about the impact being so strong two women were thrust up from their seats into the luggage racks overhead. so you can just imagine what in the chaos they were finding people all over the place. do we know how many people at this hour are still unaccounted for? >> we do not know. you know i'll tell you it's not a promising sign when you see an m.e.'s van going by the medical examiner. we don't know what the state of the scene is in terms of their ability to get through everything. a lot of the pieces we're told by investigators very heavy. so they're going to have to pick it up to some sensitivity of what they may find underneath. whether it's literally finding somebody who didn't make it or maybe someone could be alive. it's a very fluid situation. >> super fluid. and i'm thinking about the people you spoke to there and also the ones we had here how

they are sort of trembling thinking they could have made a decision that could have changed the outcome of this for them. chris, we'll be back with you in a moment and we'll have more for you on the deadly amtrak derailment coming up here on cnn. the big question on the minds of so many right now, what can be done to make sure that rail commuters are safe? we're going to ask that question to the white house press secretary josh earnest ahead. financial noise financial noise financial noise financial noise

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we are following breaking news out of philadelphia. a train derailment killing six people at least and injuring 146 others. we're joined now by white house press secretary josh earnest. josh thanks so much for being on "new day" this morning. >> good morning, alisyn. >> so josh sadly this is not the first train derailment we

have reported on this year. in fact according to the federal railroad administration there have been nine amtrak derailments just this year alone. they say that amtrak in particular derailments have been increasing over the past few years. what can the government do about this? >> well first, alisyn we've had department of transportation employees, investigators who've been on the seen since overnight trying to determine exactly what happened just north of philadelphia last night. and obviously our thoughts and prayers are with the families of everybody who is effected by this terrible crash overnight. we're trying to figure out what happened and hard at work doing just that. the president has been a long-time advocate for investing in our infrastructure and make sure we have the kind of 21st century infrastructure we know will be critical to the success of our country. and we know the department of transportation takes very seriously the responsibility they have to ensure the safety of the traveling public.

if there's an opportunity for us to make further investments in our infrastructure that would safeguard the public we need to make the safety and positive economic benefit in terms of creating jobs and stimulating economic growth across the country. >> it's interesting you talk about the investment because right now the house appropriations committee is working on this markup for fiscal 2016 a bill that would actually cut millions of dollars to amtrak. is that the right answer cutting their funds right now? >> well just yesterday the president's budget director sent a letter to house appropriators raising concerns because it did so substantially underfund common sense investments and transportation infrastructure we know are both good for the economy in terms of ensuring we can get our good support in an efficient way, that we can move our goods around the country in an efficient

foundation for long term growth. it shouldn't be a partisan thing, and after all there is no such thing as a democratic bridge or republican bridge but these are the kinds of bridges and railways and runways that benefit all americans. >> amtrak has $1.4 billion annually so are they not investing enough into safety? >> we will find out what happened to this specific crash. there is clearly more that that can be done when we are talking about a railway structure that is decades old. if there are better investments we can make in terms of the upgrading the structure to make it safe i am confident that will be it.

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in philadelphia you are watching "new day," and we have breaking news as you just heard. there has been a horrible train crash, amtrak train on his way to philadelphia to new york. investigators are trying to figure out why. we know there were 243

passengers and crew on board and six people have been confirmed to lost their lives, and 146 taken to the hospital, and the big headline remain something not all 243 have been accounted for. investigators are looking into why this happens, and some of the cars in this seven-line train were so mangled that the rescuers and first responders on your screen are still going through wreckage and seeing vans through the medical examiners going through as they are trying to figure out who may still be among the wreckage you are looking at right now. again, six people have been confirmed to have lost their lives, and it's still a very fluid situation. we are getting clues as to why this happened. speed is being referred to and this stretch of track is being referred to and the human error and infrastructure but there was surveillance video that was captured that you are looking at

right now. this was from a camera live rolling, and you will see flashes of sparks as cars go by and we believe it's the disconnection of the track, and people inside telling us stories about how one moment everything was normal, and the next moment it went dark and many left fending for themselves using their iphones to light their way to safety. it's amazing how many people made it through. cnn is on the ground covering every different aspect of it. here is what we know so far. a new york city-bound amtrak passenger train from washington, d.c. over 200 people onboard, derailing and rolling on its side. seven cars in disarray twisted and torn like continue tinfoil.

>> never seen anything like this in my life. >> passengers describe the horror as chairs and bags go flying in the air. >> this huge red suitcase just came flying at me. our train was on its side. there's many injured people on the train and they are very upset. >> this surveillance video shows the moment of impact and this highlighting a rescue in process. >> and people couldn't move. i got really lucky. >> first responders in the dark of night combing the area for injured and those unaccounted for. >> i have never seen anything so devastating. they are in bad shape. they completely derailed from the track. >> helicopters hover while

rescuers sift through the wreckage. amtrak is cooperate rating with the ntsb. >> a plane crashes or train derails and you think it's never going to happen to you, and it did. >> so many having trouble to describe it other than the worse they have ever seen. one of our producers took pictures of what is going on so you can see what this train suffered through and that's why it's amazing so many made it through. investigators are going to get a lot of help from what cnn got first and that's surveillance video which is the moment that train went off the track. sara sidner has that. >> you can see the camera that took those photos. i want to go to the surveillance

video. what you will see at the top of your screen at 9:23:40, it's the flash of light and it's going at a regular speed and then a few seconds, you will see a flash a light, another flash of light, another flash of light, and big flashes of light and that's the moment the train derailed and seven cars derailed. there it is down there, the vest investigators back on the scene, and they left for a little while. you are seeing the last train car there, and it's askew, you can see it's leaning way to the right. right before that is where that curve is that everybody has been talking about, where that terrible accident happened decades agoes killing 70 people and we don't know what caused this accident and that's what the ntsb will figure out, and

that's what the folks will try to figure out, trying to determine what exactly created this disaster and it certainly is one. we know six people have died in this wreck, and there are several others who are in critical condition, and of course you have dozens of people who got hurt and they had broken bones, contusions and scratches, but a lot of people were able to walk out of the wreckage and it's incredible when you consider the damage chris. >> yeah the urgency has not passed. you can see over my shoulder so many different responders going in and out, and a lot of people lost their phones and they were not able to communicate with family so there are a lot of loved ones still wondering what happened and there's a 1-800 number we will put on the screen for you for loved ones and family to find out what is going on. speed will be a factor. these trains can go over 100

miles per hour but they are not supposed to in a residential area like this and sarah spoke about a accident that happened in the 1940s. to be sure service between philadelphia and new york on amtrak are going to be cancelled, and the track is literally in ribbons. let's go to penn station to christina. >> reporter: i am standing in front of penn station, which is the busiest rail hub in north america, and it is, as a result of that a major stop along the northeast corridor the busiest rail passenger line in the country, and what we are seeing today is a lot of service disruptions, not just from new york to philly but throughout the line and this is creating major problems for travelers, major logistical problems for amtrak and it has not updated

its service page since 3:00 in the morning and it's trying to respond to people on social media. i was inside the train station early this morning at 5:00 a.m. typically a very busy time and most passengers -- actually it was kind of quiet this morning, and over the pa amtrak saying there is no alternative to get to philadelphia except that the new jersey transit is honoring tickets to trenton, but that is still 40 minutes away from philadelphia so people will have a tough time getting around. there is no real visibility about when it's going to get better at this point. this is a railway line and if you look at it stretching from boston to d.c. that does 750,000 trips on a daily basis, so we are talking about a major infrastructure hurdle chris. >> the northeast corridor which is what this section of rail is known as is the busiest in the

country and it's going to be a problem, but right now, getting back and forth to work the least of the concerns for the first responders going through the scene, and all 243 people on the train not yet accounted for. let's bring in the ceo and president of the national safety council. we worked a lot of these stories together where we had to figure out what is going on and let's start with what they are doing right now. we keep hearing from investigators and moments not on tv and they have never seen anything this horrendous in terms of what is happening to the cars, and what is the process? how do they get to the end point? >> the most important thing for the workers is daylight to gather evidence and document the scene and make sure the first responders have the opportunity to really identify if there are any additional survivors, and

that's a key priority. >> the surveillance video that cnn got earlier this morning from the css company that shows the flashes, when you look at it as a trained eye, what do you see? >> well you know, when they gather those videos they will look to corroborate any of the information on video with the onboard information recorders, and they will look if there was any emergency braking or any errors that might have been recorded and any forward-facing video on the front of the trains that sees what the track conditions are and identifies if there's any problems and not just for this train but for all the trains that came through earlier. >> we want to talk a little more about the implications about this and what equipment was on the train and how it speaks to the infrastructure of the railways, and we know this is an issue and there have been a high number of derailments for amtrak

and we will get to that but stay in the moment for a moment and speed is being mentioned and it's an obvious consideration and a lot of people have experience from this trip from d.c. to new york who are watching "new day" right now, and in this area you are not going that fast and it's not that far from the station so terminal velocity shouldn't be as much of an issue, should it? >> i think in any situation, looking at the severity you are going to be paying close attention to the speed, and so they will be looking at that how the train was being handled, what the speed restrictions were and as far as the overrides, the train really does have some things that if the driver is incapacitated or exceeding the authorized speed, there really should be some intervention and i know they will look very closely at those systems. >> what i am setting up to you

kind of is contradicted by how destroyed some of the cars are. it seems like you would have to have a high rate of speed or momentum to create and that's a task for investigators, but the larger concern, deb, about what equipment should be on the trains and what was not on the train yet and what this means about the infrastructure and amtrak are those legitimate concerns and criticisms going forward? >> look we have to invest in the infrastructure. railroads are capital infencive,e -- intensive. you have to have cars and tracks in shape, and all of those will be important to take a look at and it's going to cause a lot of folks, including policymakers to take a look at not just safety but also investment on

the infrastructure side too. >> do you think there are specific areas of concern that fall into why we are worried about something like this, that there is real risk involved that needs to be managed? >> i would say with respect to this investigation and this event, it will be a single event that they are going to take a look at and they will find out what caused this and they will make recommendations to prevent something like this from occurring in the future. anytime you have a serious event like this there really is a peeling back of all of the layers of the onion to try and understand not just the proximate cause, but all of the pieces of the puzzle. >> you did a lot of excellent work for the ntsb. can i ask you something? in your experience i have not seen cars twisted up like this

and people keep remarking here they have not seen things like this even as first responders with trains and they can't believe how many walks away from it. how does it size up for you? >> you know unfortunately we see some really tragic events when we see the worst case scenarios occur whether it's on the rails or on the highways or in aviation and there are really catastrophic events and many of the events many people do walk away from and that's why it's so important to learn the lessons and build the better car and make sure people have better opportunities to evacuate safely. we didn't have a post crash fire and in all the injuries from last night, that was a huge life saver. >> that's a key point. when it looks as horrible as it does it's tough to imagine it being worse, but you are right, there was no fire afterwards and that's a silver lining here. >> thank you very much and we

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>> that was the obama administration suggesting the king is not snubbing the president in not attending the summit. what is going on with the gulf allies. let's bring in aaron david miller. great to see you this morning. >> you, too alisyn. >> to use my cable news talking points is this a snub? >> we have to get away from the terms, snubs resets, and the saudi relationship too big to fail. the reality is that leaders are supposed to show up and in this case you only had two heads of state, so clearly something is not going on. i think the saudis are way too

dependant on the united states, and 35,000 american forces deployed on any given day in the persian gulf and the saudis don't play these things out publicly there is no question there is a lot of concern, deep concern, over what the saudis believe to be let's use the word a pivot towards per sau. it will allow our iranian expansionism and untphreupbs building in iraq and lebanon and yemen, which is saudi arabia's backyard, and i buy the administration's notion this is not a crisis but the fact is there is a dysfunction in the

u.s. and saudi relationship. >> what is more important to the u.s. the iranian nuclear deal or the long relationship with saudi arabia? >> the administration is pursuing what i would call an iran-centered policy because the president's primary objective in the middle east over the next 18 months is to avoid a military conflict over the iran nuclear issue, and you cut a deal and reempt any military strike and you make a strike virtually unnecessary. as far as that goes that's fine but the consequences of this deal which essentially will provide the iranians of freed assets combined with the fact that iran does have regional aspirations and is demonstrating those now in places like iraq and syria and in yemen is a legitimate problem, and the

saudis and the israelis are two long-standing allies in this region and both relationships emerged at the same time in the 1940s, and this could be in fact decided to create a new vocal point for its policy. iran is the key power in this region, and not saudi arabia. >> given the u.s. has decided to pursue this to iran what does it need to do to prepare this with saudi arabia? >> the single most important thing the administration might do but won't do is to centrally adopt steps to counter spreading iranian influence in the region particularly in syria, where the administration has willfully avoided militarizing the american role and if the administration could figure out a way to demonstrate that this

is not just a set of talking points but they are really are interested in limiting iranian influence in the region it would begin to reassure the saudis and the israelis that the iranian centered policy is. >> it's not just the saudis not sending their top leader the uae, and bough ron. >> i think there will be a lot of enhanced security operation, and cooperation on cyber, additional training and perhaps additional weapons transfers. i think the faces here will be fairly happy ones but, again, the u.s./saudi relationship is

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we are live in philadelphia. the site of a horrible train derailment an amtrak train on its way to washington, d.c. to new york went off the tracks here in philadelphia. all 243 onboard not yet accounted for, and a press conference is coming up or expected to be on an hour and a half from now. we know six people lost their lives so far and there is over 140 sent to the hospital. the main headline is that they have not accounted for everybody, and you can see over my shoulder the first responders going in and out and they brought in heavy equipment to right a couple train cars because they are still looking for people there. earlier this morning in terms of

clues as to why this happened the ntsb has ago team on the grounded right now, and one big clue is something cnn got first this morning which is survey surveillance video of the moments the cars started to go off the rails. let's bring in sara sidner for that. >> reporter: this is a business right next to the tracks a few feet away. they have a little video camera that captured the train last night when this all happened. i want you to look at the video now. this is surveillance video from the business and you will see movement and that is the train going by and it looks like it's going at a certain speed, not going slowly by any means, and then you will start seeing flashes of light, a few seconds after that train leaves the frame, you see a few flashes of light, one after the other and it seems they get bigger and bigger and bigger and residents

saw that more than they heard the crash, they saw the light first and were surprised by it. now i want to let you see what it looks like in the daytime. we're standing here where the surveillance camera was, and now you are seeing the aftermath of all the flashes, and you are seeing the remains from the seven cars that toppled over and derailed and the last one you can see it leaning way to the right, and it's just after the curve, it's a strong curve there, and it's at the end of the curve we are seeing the trains jumbled up in a mess, and a lot of investigators looking in the trains and on the tracks and there are helicopters trying to get a view as to what is going on. chris, what a mess and so sad so many people have lost their lives here. >> what we are hearing from the

first responders coming in and out is they can't believe it wasn't worse and people walked out. beth davis with me now. so many people checking in to make sure you are okay and you are still here which concerned me when i heard it from the prau producers producers. we got you a ride home right? >> yeah. >> how is your head physically and emotionally? >> just sore just got beat up a little by the train. i have not really thought about it. part of the reason i am still here too, and filling it with action is -- >> a little distraction? >> yeah everywhere from just the little things -- i came out of the car with my phone and a shoe and figuring out how i am going to get back to new york. >> that part we have figured out. you have to check out with your

doctor when you get home. you have a big lump on the side of your head? >> yeah right now it's just about getting home and having to get a good and long conversation with my family. >> you have been talking with other people who made it off the train who you did not know before and now you have a unique bonds that is often the silver lining after something so bad? >> yeah, after the moment of shock, you are in the train together and you know you shared the experience together and you don't really know what you are feeling, it's just that you know you have a connection. there are moments when once we climbed out of the car and we were walking down and somebody borrowed my phone and we just hugged because we had the moment and we are thanking god we are here and there are also moments in the police wagon there, everybody just exchanged

stories, and so it really messed up my travel plans, so the whole -- just that moment are you okay and people taking time out to ask if others are okay? >> time will help and time will hurt in terms of bringing home to you what you just lived through, but the bottom line is you did live through it and that's a miracle looking at the train. >> yeah that was one of the first things coming out, i mean just the whole shock of the whole thing, and coming out and seeing the first two cars because it was just like a split decision that i decided to go in the third car instead of the second because i was on the phone. i don't know quite what it is and right now it's easy to think about logistics. >> keep it simple. >> you needed to get something to eat, you got something to eat, and you need to get home and we will get you home and you need to get something to eat and then to the doctor and you need to stay on top of it. you made it through something

really violent. they are bringing in heavy equipment to go through the train, and they want to make sure everybody is accounted for, because they don't know yet and we know what we learned so far, not everybody made it out. you have to see yourself as fortunate. >> as soon as we were on the top, you see those first two cars and you knew there was going to be something terrible just looking at it. i can't look at what the train crash was and understand i was there, and it feels like it was somebody else's life. that's what everybody says. >> i know you are raw, and i see it in your eyes. we will be watching you. i was surprised to hear you are still here but we will get you home. thank you for coming back to me my friend. >> no problem. >> stay with me. i want to make sure we know where you are. we will stay on top of the investigation.

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another important story, because lawmakers in texas are considering a measure today that would ban state employees from issuing same-sex marriage licenses. let's bring in the attorney general of texas, mr. paxton. you are trying to block same-sex marriage in texas. an employee or official of this

state may not issue, enforce, or recognize a marriage license or declaration of informal marriage for a union other than a union between one man and one woman. we know the legislature is taking it up this week but the question is about timing. why would texas do this today as opposed to waiting a few weeks for the supreme court to decide about the law of the land? >> first, let me give you background. we passed the constitutional amendment in 2005 and it was overwhelmingly approved by voters, and it was 76% defining marriage between a man and woman, and that's our background here and the legislature was involved in passing that with over two-thirds in both houses and the reason they had to work on legislation now, our legislation works 243 days a

year and if it is passed in the next two or three weeks, it doesn't matter what happens in the supreme court. >> it's interesting how you talk about how texans define marriage. this is a year old, but it's the only texas-wide poll that we could find, and what we found is that your state is divided right down the middle in terms of support for same-sex marriage. 48% support it and 47% oppose it and that was a year ago, and if texas follows national trend lines we have seen support particular up for same-sex marriage and it's an interesting case study that it's so divided, so why pass a law that would apply to everybody. >> i think it goes back to whatever the polling is the real poll is what happens on election day, and the voters had an opportunity to make a

decision on what they wanted to make on this issue, and it was not a close decision and over 3/4s of the voters wanted to put it in the statute. that's my job and the job of the electrician. >> if the legislature today or this week does pass that house bill and the governor goes along with it then what happens weeks from now if the supreme court goes in the way of being in favor of same-sex marriage? >> i think it's really difficult -- first are all, we don't know if that is going to happen and we don't know how the opinion will be written, and that opinion could be written numerous ways hundreds of different ways so it's really difficult to speculate about what happens in relation to a particular law. in addition we don't know what the legislature is going to pass and we don't know if it's

going to pass and whether there are going to be amendments or changes to it and to match up one thing that has not passed and the supreme court has not ruled, it's difficult to decide any determination about how that is going to work together? >> texas would have to conform to the federal law, yes? >> if the supreme court is making a rule on marriage we deal with that all the time. >> meaning what? meaning that you would -- that texas would have to conform to the supreme court? >> again, we would have to see how it worked and see how exactly that opinion is written versus how the law is passed. like i said i don't know how the legislature or if the legislature is going to pass it at all, and i don't know in what form and i don't know what the opinion of the supreme court is going to be and i don't know how those two will fit together if they are going to be in direct opposition, and there is no way to go. >> let me read to you what the lawyer for lmda has said about

this bill in texas. they say the continued push for such blatantly duhiscriminatory legislation, and the texas legislature does not and should not get to pick and choose which parts of the u.s. constitution it should follow. let's talk about the message where it says it's discriminatory? aren't you saying that the gays and lesbians in your state are not as valued as heterosexuals because they can't form into a union? >> obviously, i am not in the legislature and there are different opinions in the legislature but what they have tried to do in the past is define marriage the way it has been defined since the beginning of the country and the formation of texas. all legislature has done in the past is reflect the values that

have been in this state and country for, you know over two centuries. >> what about homosexuals that fall in love? what should they do? >> well i mean they have you know they can do whatever they want but the reality is marriage itself right now in texas, it was defined by the people of texas, as i said overwhelmingly as between a man and woman, and that's the law of texas and it's in our constitution and statues and right now that's the law of texas. >> they can't do whatever they want as you just said. even in the language it says they may not have a union. do you understand why gays in texas would feel that is discriminating against them? >> well they can feel how they want. the reality is voters passed the

laws. it can turn out different, and it may not pass. it's still not certain to me with only two days left on the house calendar which bills are going to pass and which are not going to pass. it's easy to speculate, but it's very difficult to know how this is going to turn out in texas and with the united states supreme court later this month or next month. >> it has until thursday at midnight in texas to pass or then it goes away basically, for the rest of the year so how do you think it's leaning? >> well it's not just the rest of the year. we only meet every other year. so if it doesn't pass now, our legislature, unless the governor calls us back for a special session, we will not have another opportunity. the house calendar has to be finished by thursday at midnight and if it's not finished by then this bill doesn't pass. >> thank you so much for all the information. obviously we will keep an eye on

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