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area hospitals and half have been released and northeast number 188 had more than 200 people on board and many of these people took the train from d.c. to new york and over the next hour i'll speak with survivors and people who made it out of the wreckage and trying to help others and still shaken up and looking to make it out of a clearly chaotic scene. take a look at video inside of the train that one passenger took. >> c'mon man. >> i got you. >> she's crawling. >> crawl forward, sir. >> in a moment we'll hear from the governor and the mayor of philadelphia who said the city of brotherly love is heartbroken and has not experienced anything like this in modern time. but first drew griffin is here with me about the investigation.

we have learning about the engineer. >> at least who he is and this is a person that can answer questions as to why this train was going 106 miles per hour in a 50 mile-per-hour zone. he's been with amtrak about 9 years and the last 4.5 as an engineer and he has some engineer experience and on this very line. it doesn't appear he was hurt anderson. he was brought in for questioning. he supposedly gave a statement but when police detectives wanted to question him, he did not answer. >> so they have not interviewed him. >> no. when he came in he came in with his attorney and he refused to answer questions and the ntsb said have we interviewed him and they were softer -- well take a listen about what they said about trying to interview him.

>> we plan to. this person has gone through a traumatic event and we want to give him an opportunity to -- to convalesce for a day or so before we interview him. it is a high priority for us to interview the train crew. >> we now know the train was going 106 miles per hour and the emergency brake was applied and that only brought it down to 102? >> it is a train going 106 miles per hour and the emergency brake was applied three seconds before the crash so in the three seconds it dropped down to 102 miles per hour. >> and this is a curve that should be taken at 50 miles per hour and the speed before that was 80 miles per hour. >> so there is no conceivable way you should travel at this speed at this stretch of track. and that is why they will look at this engineer and what was his physical demeanor was he

asleep was he on the phone or have anything in his system? >> has he been drug or blood tested? >> i can only tell you from experience of other protocols he most likely has been drug tested. >> you'll have to talk to authorities about that. >> i'll talk to authorities about that. >> and one thing you'll get to eventually once you get all of the equipment out of the way, is the track and the signaling and everything points to one thing and that is the speed, and even if the track was bad, the speed made this worse. >> and in terms of safety devices, there are safety devices in the country that would slow this train down. >> that is the saddest part of the story. the system you are talking about, it is positive train enforcement, it is like a dead man's man's brake, in case the driver of the train passes out, they can slow down the train and they have that positive control up and down this line and it would

have prevented this and it just hasn't been put on this portion of the track yet and it will be done by this december and it will be too late. >> and i heard of congress extending that deadline even further because of delays in putting this in. a lot to talk about with officials. drew we'll be on for the next two hours. as i mentioned, the city of philadelphia is rallying around this from the first responder to the fire departments and everybody who came from nearby homes to gave people bottles of water and the city will not rest until the research and recovery operation is completed and everybody is reunited with loved ones. and the mayor has been to the crash set and they said it is amazing how many people survived and the governor and the mayor join me now. thank you for being with us.

sorry it is under such circumstances. talk to us. what is it like? >> it is a devastating scene, the level of trauma and tragedy, we have confirmed seven people have died and 200 plus were able to walk off the train, but i'm sure many people have seen the video and the stills the trains are mangled, they are upside down they are way off their track. the engine separated from the rest of the cars. and i still don't understand -- i'm grateful and prayerful, i still don't understand how everyone was able to get off that train. police and fire for philadelphia saved lives last night and the emergency care folks received police officers firefighters getting tourniquets and the help and the force, going 106

miles per hour on a curve, and going down an embankment and cars turning over possible turns and i can't imagine and we are very sorrowful. >> and just because somebody buys a ticket for a train doesn't mean they are on the train. do you have a sense that the numbers as they are, are that it is going to be? >> well i think we still have -- there are still some -- we have to learn more. we're not sure. but i'm here. let me say i'm here for two reasons. first i want to pay tribute to the first responders the mayor and his team and they've done a great job in responding to this terrible accident andeem sighing if there is anything i can do as a representative of the commonwealth. >> and the governor has been great and came down last night and had to do some things and is

back today. has offered every state resource and the police have been great. >> and can you explain the process to figure out who was on the train and where is everybody? >> amtrak has a mannivest of everybody that bought tickets and sometimes you make a train and some don't and of those who bought tickets, how many were on the train and were there personnel that may have gotten on the train and they don't buy tickets and they are going whenever they are -- wherever they are going sand so it is a step by step and person by person getting descriptions and i.d.s from people and some people i saw may have been transported by us and may have gone on their business and we don't have an accurate account of what happened with them. and so we are making phone calls and tracking them down. >> and later on today you sent

out more officers to search the area. >> about 25 officers and supervisors expanded the search and we put some other search out there and canine and with the possibility that someone may have been ejected from the train and ended up somewhere else not necessarily near the train, is certainly a possibility. as i said earlier, we will not rest until we are assured we've done everything we can to locate every possible person we think may have been on the train. >> obviously a lot remains to be learned and the investigation is still in the early hours. >> yes. >> you talked about the conductor, the engineer of the train, and obviously authorities want to talk to him. what exactly is the status? there were reports that he gave a statement and didn't answer

questions. so can you answer that. >> so he was injured and driving the train and survived his injuries and received medical treatment and then was -- talked to the philadelphia police department. what i don't know is what he said. and i usually don't know what a person may say in that kind of situation. i've heard the same stories well he said i had a lawyer. >> the chief of police said he didn't answer questions. >> well he talked to us and then possibly didn't answer questions. that is it. and that is all we know. and at that point we don't have this information with regard to the speed and the other factors. ntsb is probably nowhere near done with their investigation f. there comes a point in time where they make certain decisions then the legal process may kick in. i won't speculate on that. >> do you know if he would have been blood tested automatically? >> i do not know. someone who presented as a trauma victim in a hospital may

have been but i don't know the answer to that question. >> and in terms of safety devices and maybe it is too early to consider this and there are safety devices and they weren't on this part of the track and is that something you were aware of and moving forward you want to take another look at. >> until last night and today i never heard of the ptc device but it is my understanding that the rest of the line is supposed to receive that kind of safety device by the end of this year. i don't know the timing on that. that is a amtrak railway issue and the city is notten gamed in that kind of work. we all have responsibility for implementing issues and it becomes -- >> i don't know about that. >> we have been working to improve railway safety in general and that is something we

are looking at. >> thank you for joining me. appreciate it. there is a lot to talk about. i want to show you the pictures of the train itself the area that you see right there. i want to introduce you to caleb bonner he was on the train last night. and first of all, how are you feeling? >> a little banged up. but it is getting better. and there were people not able to walk away from the train and i was able to so i feel lucky. >> and where were you. >> i was in the very back. i was sort of in my own world, listening to my ipod. >> so you didn't hear anything? >> i heard reports that people heard a buckling sound but i was dazed off listening to my music, that sort of thing and i saw a shake and saw the computer

floating sand i saw black and i was on the other side. >> it was that quick? >> it was that quick. >> did your car tip over? >> it was at a 30 degree angle and it felt like the entire time what was going on and how to get out and assess the damage and help anybody in need it felt like it could go over and we didn't know if it was getting filled with smoke or dust and so it was very traumatic situation inside but ultimately we saw a lot of people step up and there were people in need and there were people in train that flocked tor them and picking them up and pulling them and chairs from the base. >> chairs were ripped out of the base and even though the care wasn't flipped over the cars were damaged. >> oh, yes. significant damage.

and so people were concerned, how do we get out, do we kick the windows out? >> and was it dark. >> it was dark. and there was some light from silhouettes and eventually people were holding up their cell phones trying to search for it and absolute tragedy and we were fortunate to be able to walk out. i've seen some sad things. there were young ladies that lost their teeth and they were bloodied and women stuck on the ground and there was a group of people trying to help them and lift these ladies up -- >> well i'm glad you are doing okay and tried to help others. caleb bonham. thank you. just ahead, i'll speak with the lead ntsb investigator and how they will find out how fast it was going and if and when the engineer will be talking and

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welcome back. unbelievable pictures. we're live tonight from philadelphia the breaking news the engineer of the amtrak train that derailed last night is identified as brandon bostonia with amtrak for nine years four years as an engineer. we know that the engineer was hurt and received medical attention and he refused to be interviewed and left with a lawyer. the ntsb will want to speak to him and investigators try to figure out what happened and why the train was traveling at 106 miles per hour before it hit the curve, more than double the speed in the area. joining me now is steve wald from the ntsb. thank you for joining me. in a case like this is it safe to say he has refused to answer questions. >> well we haven't even contacted him yet. >> that is a statement made by

the philadelphia police. >> and routinely, we would not reach out to someone within 24 hours of an accident. we want to give someone a chance to convalesce and speak to them a couple of days after the accident. >> something like a blood test or a breathalyzer is that something you would ask them to do. >> amtrak is required to do that. >> so that should have been done. >> that should have been done and i have no reason to think it hasn't been done. >> and this is very early on in the investigation. is the train still there. is the track removed? i know the track has been released to amtrak. >> all but two of the rail cars have been removed to a facility to conduct a detailed examination. the two remaining cars are there because tomorrow we want to do a

3-d laser scan to discover that after we leave here. >> and in terms of recovery has everybody been found? >> not to be impersonal we care about everybody, we are the investigators for the accident and the office of emergency management of philadelphia will answer that. >> and if they did come out and say 106 miles per hour and the emergency brake was applied three or four seconds before the crash bringing it down to i think 102 miles per hour. >> that is right, yes. >> there are only a certain number of reasons why a train would be traveling that fast. a runaway train, an engineer not paying attention. the safety mechanisms in place elsewhere does not exist in this part of the track. >> that is right. and that is called positive

train control. amtrak calls it asis. ptc is a gps based system so it knows where the train is and what the anything nalls are signaling. >> and if it was present, it could automatically slow the train down. >> absolutely. it would prevent derailments due to overspeed. >> and we know about how it works with train crashes, but how do you go about -- i know your investigators will be on-site here but the investigation goes on longer than that. >> and we are on scene to collect the perishable evidence the information that can go away like the passage of time. like the train cars and witness or survivor interviews are things that can change over time

so we want to get here and collect as much of that as we can so that when we leave here in about a week we'll either have what we need or have a plan for obtaining everything we need. >> is there a commonality with the train crashes that the ntsb investigates i know there have been a number this year alone, are there common denominators that you look for? >> the accidents that we've seen this year don't seem to have common denominators with this particular one. but on december 1st there was a metro-north up in the bronx and the train was going too fast into a turn and it derailed and claimed four lives. and there is commonality there. and i mention that because positive train control will prevent that accident and that is why the ntsb is so interested in and congress has mandated it.

>> mandated it until the end of the year. and some are pushing for the extension of it until 2020. >> there are various dates passing out there. 2017, 18, 2020. a couple of bits out there. >> it will be interesting to see if the accidents this year and in previous take part in that. >> anderson thank you so much. >> what it is like going at a -- on a train going at that speed and what it feels like we'll take you into a simulator. strong can take you... all the way to the summit. oh my! so cool! think what strong can do for you. can i play too? at&t's network has the nation's strongest 4g lte signal.

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in that moment when i was tumbling i thought this might be the end. there is no way to know in the darkness. and so just being able to taste dirt was lovely because you knew you were alive and okay. >> we've been hearing from survivors all day about the chaos inside of the train as it went off the tracks and afterwards people's bags flying and people getting track in the rails. and we look at the mechanics of

what it is to be like in a train at that speed. here is what she found out. >> and so you train the engineers and you know what they are going through on a daily babe is and -- basis and take us through what it would feel like going around a bend at 50 miles per hour. so you can tell what it feels like. it is pretty controlled right? how would you describe it? >> well it's kind of like going from a sports car to a really big truck. in a sports car you have a sense of how fast you are going once you are in a big truck you may be going 50 miles per hour but it feels like only 40. >> this is going around the bend and still very controlled. and on this one, i want to go around a bend again and see what it feels like at 5-miles per

hour. just to see the difference. and so at this bend we're up to 66 so it already feels faster. >> yeah. >> i can already sense it though we're not moving i can sense how fast we are going already. i want to know what it would feel like. we know the engineer threw the brake full force fully and what would we get that right here at about 70 miles per hour. so that is full force on the brakes at just 60 miles per hour and we're still going? >> yeah. yeah that is just -- you can't apply the brakes any harder than that. >> and it still doesn't stop automatically. it takes some time. >> a fully loaded freight train, roughly 85 cars takes over a mile to stop in an emergency.

>> so now let's take it around the bend as fast as you can go. you say this train that derailed might have been going around 106 miles per hour. we'll see how this one does. >> we'll see how it does. >> so we're going so fast we're going to derail around the curve. >> yes. around that curve right there. >> so explain that. why would it derail? >> why it derails is because there is so much force when you are going around that curve, that locomotive becomes top heavy and it just rolls over. it is so much centrifugal force to -- >> and people inside described laptops falling and people falling on top of them and a couple of people above her got stuck in the luggage wrack, does that surprise you going around a bend at that speed? >> not at all.

we were only going 72.5, so it -- yeah you add 30 more miles an hour to that there is a lot of force there. people will be thrown around. >> and randy joins us from outside the simulator. he said it takes about a mile to stop after the engineer applied the brakes and so did the engineer think he didn't have a chance to make an impact any lessening of the speed before the impact? >> reporter: absolutely, aerpd. he doesn't think he had a chance. you need about a mile for that train to slow down and if what the ntsb said is true and the engineer applied the brakes moments before entering the curve, there is no way he would have had those 30 seconds or that mile to get to that speed.

and he said he would be surprised if the engineer didn't see the upcoming curve because on a clear night you can see the railroad signals for up to ten miles and he's seen that with his own eyes and if you are going down a straight track, you can see how the bend lights begin to curve and if he didn't see that he's wondering why, was it heavy tag or rain or bad weather, so many questions even from the experts tonight. >> and that is why they want to hear from the engineer. thank you, randi. and this has disrupting rail from new york to boston and the ripple effect is huge leaving travelers and commuters scrambling. joe johns has the latest on that. >> there is crippling spillover effects for those traveling along the amtrak northeast

corridor but had to find alternative transportation. >> five or six hours and the station is full it is packed. >> people standing in line after line after line waiting for hours and stranded and hoping they are lucky enough to get the next way back home. >> i knew it would be chaotic so i'm trying to figure out how to get back home. >> amtrak carries passengers between washington, d.c. and boston and today trains between philadelphia and manhattan are suspended. this is a major disruption for the region. the northeast corridor has riders of 11.6 million a year and about 750,000 trips per day. passengers scrambling to get tickets for buses, ferries and

the lines stretches longs as they announced they would honor amtrak tickets. >> we are running as many buses as we can put together. >> and commercial airlines tried to pick up the slack. at reagan national airport, delta reports an increase. american airlines added two round trip flights from d.c. to new york and even with this the delays and difficult travel pail in comparison to what the victims suffered on the train crash. >> people died and we're inconvenienced a little bit -- it is okay. >> it is good to keep that in perspective. joe johns outside of union station in washington, d.c. where this train originated from. and i just talked to the ntsb and there are two more cars still on the tracks and they are doing more testing on them, any idea when service between philli

and new york will resume? >> the only thing amtrak can figure out what they are doing so far is on thursday and that is modified amtrak service with fewer frequencies between here and philadelphia and no service between philadelphia and new york and mod five the service between new york and boston. so they say the investigation has to continue and they have asked people for patience but they don't know what they are doing past thursday and that means perhaps more discomfort for travelers, anderson. >> joe, i appreciate the update. just ahead, i'll talk to a mom and son that survived the crash with minor injuries and after he made sure his mom was safe he went back to help other passengers and he is one of the people who did just that and we'll talk about what it was like in the thick of the chaos just ahead.

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board amtrak train number 188 and they said disaster struck in what seemed like an in stand. we now know the train was going 106 miles per hour so many reached out to help strangers and one of them he and his mom survived and after helping his mom to safety max and joan both join me now. first of all, joan how are you feeling? >> we're hanging in there. it has been a long 24 hours as you can imagine, but we're hanging in there. >> neither of us has slept for 36 hours now. a little sore but alive and very thankful. >> yeah. and max, i understand you were in one of the rear cars of the train, if you can, you if you don't mind take us through what happened. everything was going fine until the train started to take the turn?

>> yeah. um everything was going fine and all of a sudden for about two seconds our car started to shake and before you knew it we were all flung up against the window our car was on its side and everyone was on the ground and when the car finally stopped, i got up and the car was smoking so everyone's first thought was this car might explode so let's get everyone out of here and there was a door with -- open about eight inches and it was enough room to squeeze people through it. so the first priority was obviously to get my mom safe so i got her out and looking around the car i saw that there was so many people in much worse condition than i was. i was up and able to walk and so i just did what i could to get people out of that car. >> and june did you notice the

speed of the car prior to the crash? did it seem like it was going fast? because some people thought it was going too fast? >> i didn't notice that. it was just moving. i didn't notice it any different than the speed we were traveling before. >> and when it derailed you went flying and went flying toward your son, is that right? >> i went flying towards the windows in the side of the car that was going down and we were sitting in the front so there were many large pieces of luggage that -- one hit my chest, one hit my head i was covered with all of this luggage when my son found me. >> what is going through your mind in a situation like that? is it going through your mind so fast you can't think? would you tell me what it is like? >> it was very scary, but i

think i started to panic a little bit but my son just kept calling my name and he found me. he got me out. and made sure that i got out of the train and then i could focus better and to see if i could help others as well. >> and that is when you went to help others. what was the scene like for you? >> um i mean people were everywhere. there was suitcases everywhere. suitcases falling on top of people. the chairs had dislodged and some of the chairs had fallen on people. people bleeding from their faces, broken bones and broken legs broken arms anything you that can really imagine, that is what happened. >> well i'm so glad that both of you are okay and i hope you get some rest -- much-needed rest and thank you for all you did.

and i'm sure there are a lot of people that would like to thank you to reach out to help others in their time of need. joan and max, thank you. >> thank you so much mr. cooper. >> thank you. as we said, authorities have not ruled out the possibility of finding more victims at the crash site. you heard from the mayor, he sent more officers to search the region. a midshipman was heading home to visit his family. tim gaines was returning home from washington and survived by his wife and two children. and a small tech company leaves behind a husband and 2-year-old. >> and some families are still waiting for word about their loved ones. among the missing is bob guilder

sleeve a sales exec who lives outside of baltimore. for man 200 people were taken to local hospitals, including dr. cushing, and when something happens late at night, how many patients did you have come to temple? >> we have about 200 patients come between 10:00 and midnight there were so much patients. >> so you have to call people in. >> so there is a trauma group, a level one trauma center and a single team was not enough to handle this and i wushed in from home. >> and level one trauma is the worst possible trauma so you are equipped to deal with all of that. >> that is right. yes, the highest level. >> and we've heard of people with broken bones, people being

hit by luggage and people thrown from one car to another and you've seen all manner of trauma? >> yes. most of the injuries were fractures. we only saw one skull fractures but there were leg and arm fractures. the patients that died with us mr. gaines had a chest injury. >> and obviously you are used to seeing trauma but to see this number of people all of a sudden? >> that is unusual. and that is why level one trauma centers like this personally prepare for an in flux of patients all at once. >> and you have to triage and decide the most immediate cases. >> there were folks that were sprains and boozed okay. but we released about 25% of the

patients. some of them went through the operating unit last night and some are left today. >> and we talk about what safety precautions should be going forward and should there be seat belts and that type of thing and until this happens you don't realize how quickly a patient is -- how quickly a train is moving. >> and the patients i had were more in the back. >> and they didn't tip over as much as others. >> and they described it as happening in a split-second and they had luggage on them and when they were injured, it was people fell on them. >> and even seats were ripped out of their mooring. and did you hear about people with teemg broken?

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>> when i started hearing people i was on the side and people told me i was delirious. my shoes are not my shoes. i lost my shoes. and a lady gave me her shoes. >> as we said more than 200 people were injured in the amtrak derailment. we are sharing some stories of survival to you tonight. tonight gary tuchman caught up with a new jersey woman on the

trail and often travels the corridor to see her young grandson in maryland. last night she was relaxing in a quiet car that suddenly erupted in screams. >> carol spent the night in the hospital and this day grateful to be alive. >> i don't know what was going to happen. >> carol boarded in new carrollton maryland after visiting her first grandchild that just turned one and a train trip this newly ordained minister made every night. >> i got in the train, i took my seat. i took out my yogurt and took out my ipad and for quite a while it was a regular ride and it went crazy. >> she heard a jolt that woke up her and a loud noise and then it

felt like the train fell off a cliff. >> we were upside down and people were inside and screaming and it was awful. they are not supposed to go upside down. when we fell it was like no oh and then it was real quiet. all of the noise stopped and it was quiet and people realized they were hurt and then it was pando minimum. >> a doctor would tell her she suffered a concussion but other people in her car and her row were hurt much. >> and i tried to get up and i pushed off the lady out from around me and she said don't it hurts and i looked around and i stood up and someone said i have a phone and there was a picture of the baby on the phone and it was my phone.

it was my phone, my photo of my grandson. >> she called me and said it rolled over. it flipped over. >> it was to the point where to get out, we went up and out a window. so the windows were above up to get out of the car. almost all the way upside down. >> carol helped a pregnant woman get out but couldn't help them and doesn't know what happened to the seriously injured woman next to her. >> you are not supposed to turn upside down and when you turn and look back at it it is amazing you walked away. >> it is amazing that so many were able to walk away. did she get a sense the train was speeding and some people have said they didn't and others have intoed that. >> she didn't notice because she fell asleep but she said she

felt like sailing, and she said her grandson is her life and she would take the train and before that she would take that twice or three times a month and she's an amtrak veteran and i said can you get back on that train now and she didn't know the answer to that question. >> a lot of people are asking themselves that question. thank you. our coverage through philadelphia continues into the next hour. we have more stories of survival and those who lost their lives. and the near who was driving their train and the safety raised after this accident. there is a lot to cover. we'll be right back. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's

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