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agreed to speak with investigators but he may not be able to tell them much at least not now. we also read things he wrote regarding safety guide lines. and whether it will help investigators solve what appears to be a mystery crash appears to be seen. and video from a nearby towing company. but you can see sparks p. and we know more about the speed the train was traveling and how quickly it accelerated before the crash. it's 50 mile-per-hour at the yurv it derailed. and video from inside the cabin shows that just a minute before it was going 70 mile-per-hour and then it went to over 100 mile-per-hour. today, the death toll rose to 8 when another body was found in
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the wreckage. and also the mayor said all 243 people that were on the train are now accounted fors a investigators try to piece together why it train was going twice the speed limit. and they want to speak to the engineer brandon bostian, there's just one problem. his lawyer said he doesn't remember the crash at all. >> he has no recollection whatsoever of the events. i'm told that his memory is likely to return as the concussion symptoms subside. he does not deploying the emergency break. we know that it was in fact deployed. the last thing he remembers is coming to looking for his bag, and getting his cell phone and calling 911. >> now, whether that is real or convenient excuse remains to be seen. but memory problems or not, the
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ntsb says he has agreed to be interviewed and will have his lawyer there. our senior investigative correspondent joins me life from philadelphia. do we know if he's actually spoken to police? >> he's been with the police. he's told the police he couldn't recall anything. but as for anybeing interviewed by the police that was a no go. he said him and his lawyers spent a great deal of time with the police and was cooperative up until agreeing to hand over a blood sample but to the police would not answer any questions. >> they say that a positive train control had been installed on this part of the track, this tragedy wil would likely have never happened. and i understand that bostian
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has written about the system. >> it will be interesting when he talks to the ntsb. there are a number of posts that appear to be written by brandon bostian bostian. we know he was an enthuseiast of trains from all the way back to high school. and in 2011 induce discussing a fatal crash by a engineer who was distracted by texting, he says at any point over the previous 80 years, the railroad could have voluntarily implemented some form of this technology where this wreck took place, but instead it took an act of congress to get them do it." and in another post he writes that he wishes that they would have been more proactive from the get go. and the reality is that they
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have had nearly 100 year of opportunity to implement some sort of system but failed to do so. he was obviously passionate about safety and was writing about it in 2011. >> you spoke to a former colleague of bostian's. what did he say? >> he was a flagman on this very route along with brandon bostian and xavier bishop was fired last year due to app abson teeism involving family issue. but when i asked him about any issues with brandon bostian as an engineer this is what he said. ever see him drinking? >> never. >> ever see him too sleepy? >> no. >> texting?
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>> no. >> phone calls? >> he never had his phone out it didn't matter what the situation. i really believe something happened prier to him getting to that curve. we all know what the speed limits are and it's not a mystery to us and again, i've went up and down these rails with him hundreds of times. >> what i don't understand is how can this guy that you've travelled with many many times have gone into that situation so hot. >> again, and that's the million dollar question. >> the million dollar question anderson that only one can apparently answer and that is this engineer who has agreed to talk to the ntsb. >> the first lawsuit has been filed in relation to the derailment an amtrak employee is suing the company, accusing it of negligence.
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there's a lot to talk about. jeff the fact that this engineer is now saying he doesn't remember anything whether that's legitimate or convenient we have no way of a judging. it is critical though that they get information from him at some point. >> it is but he has a fifth amendment right like anyone else and there will be a criminal investigation here. it is true it is tough to make criminal kalss against engineers. in a crash where the engineer had sleep apnea, no charges. and another one ein los angeles where 25 died and the engineer was texting, there was no criminal charges. >> why is it so hard?
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>> there are a lot of causes that can be pointed to apparently in these circumstances. the technology is complicated and sometimes the cause cannot be pinpointed but certainly any criminal lawyer would advise this guy not to talk to the authorities until at least he sees a lot of what else the evidence is. >> and these posts that he allegedly wrote, going back quite some time about safety procedures do they play at all in this? >> i think they do. they're evidence of state of mind but frankly, they sound like they would help him, they sound thoughtful responsible, concerned about safety so i don't thing they would be a problem to him. i think they would be helpful. >> so sanjay if he sustained a concussion and head wound involving 16 stitches how common is it for memory lapses
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to occur? i have had a concussion before and i didn't remember anything that happened immediately after but i certainly remembered the moments before. >> right. so with post traumatic sort of amnesia, which is what this sounds like to some extent can have both what they call retro retrograde and ant trograde, you can have amnesia in both direction, if you will. and you have islands of memory so you may recall certain things and not other things. people with concussions have been able to perform complex tasks but a day later, not be able to recall at all. and did something else happen around the time something involving his brain that was involved with this in some way? that would effect just how much
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amnesia he has as well. >> and if he does have amnesia, it would not be because of a concussion it's more likely because of trauma? >> i'm putting trauma and concussion sort of in the same thing. traumatic brain injury is what it is. if you look deeply enough at anybody who's had a concussion most people have some degree of memory loss but it can be pretty mild and not even noticeable in a lot of people but if you start to do a detailed neurological exam the way that they interact with the world in some way, they probably have some degree of memory loss both retrograde and ant trograde. >> and back in 2013 there were no criminal charges. it surprise me though that
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what does it take for them and what's the time line for them in a case like this do they wait forntsb to give their judgment? >> they don't have to but certainly the ntsb is going to take the lead rule. and the situation in the bronx of william rockefeller, he had sleep apnea, he a schedule that was variable so he was very sleep deprived. the bronx district attorney said there were going to be no charges but not every prosecutor would have reached that conclusion. >> what about a civil lawsuit against amtrak? >> congress passed a laut law in 1997 saying that all damages in total cannot exceed 200 million dollars. >> from each crash.
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>> from each crash. when you consider how many injuries here it's not that much money. so the situation now is there's going to be this pot of money, presumably, all of it and the people who died the people who are injured, the courts are going to have to figure out how to divide it up. >> and i'll speak with an ntsb board member who's been on the scene and we'll tell you what he makes of a message board post allegedly made by the engineer. and a look that safety system that may have prevented this tragedy. we're getting information that a slowing system was in place but only on the other side of the tracks. more next. financial noise
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tonight's breaking news the ntsb says the engineer of 188 has agreed to be interviewed. and we're also getting new information about the train safety controls we've been hearing so much about. so drew what have you learned? >> reporter: well coming from our transportation correspondent and she's now confirmed that this positive train control system was here on the track but it was placed in the southbound trains not the northbound
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trains which would have, sad lay prevented this crash from happening. it's very expensive, time consuming and we see congress trying to kick it down the can. and obviously, this is going to be terrible news for the family that it was just basically on the wrong side of the tracks here anderson. >> was that side viewed as more dangerous? do we know? >> reporter: we do not know that. i would imagine the ntsb could have that completely wrapped up in its report. and if there's some kind of priority and maybe it was just scheduled to be put in and they did one side and -- you know they have to keep the trains moving while they do all of this as well. so maybe it's a flow issue. >> it's going to be a terrible
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blow to the namfamilies when they hear that. and there are a number of posts that appear to be by brandon bostian that call for this speed technology. one says "i wish the railroads would have been more proactive from the get go. and the reality is they've had over 100 years of opportunity to implement some sort of system to mitigate human error." what is the latest on the investigation? where do things stand now? >> well the good news is anderson is that the engineer has agreed to be interviewed by the ntsb and we're looking forward to hearing his side of the story. >> do you know when that will take place? because his attorney is saying he doesn't remember anything at
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this point. >> hopefully in the next few days. and memory loss is not unusual but it does usually come back. so, we think even if he doesn't remember going into the event, just having the opportunity to talk to him about how he approached his job, his level of professionalism, his fatigue levels things like that are all going to be helpful regardless of how we cut it. >> you mentioned that the train went from 70 mile-per-hour to over 100 mile-per-hour seconds before the crash. >> certainly that's going to be the big question to be answered. why did that train go from that speed up to over 100 mile-per-hour? we need to know that and i point out that even 70 mile-per-hour -- well yeah. of course the speed limits through that curve were 50 and
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he was doing 106 and we need to find out why that was the case. >> i understand you were not able to find any irregial airties in the breaks or the train. beyond human error, what else are the possibilities? >> great question and we have yet to conduct the bring a examination of the train. we will be doing that in the coming days. just the cars have now -- all the cars have now been recovered. the rail cars. so we will be doing that. but generally, anderson in an investigation like this we're looking at three broad areas, the human, the machine, and the environment. so we're going to put everything on the table and start ruling things out as we learn more. >> have you been aware of these postings that appear to be from
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brandon bostian, talking about the need for safety systems to be in place? >> no i was not until drew's story there. so that's very interesting. >> is that 124i7ksomething you would be interested in reading more about? because you said you're trying to get a profile from him as to how he approaches his job. is that something during the questioning phase you would to have a look at? >> yes. i believe that would help paint picture of who this engineer was and we want to know that. >> i appreciate you being with us under these difficult circumstances. and up next more on the speed technology that they have on the southbound side of the curve, not, as you just heard, on the northbound side and it could have helped prevent this
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accident. it's a fascinating look that technology. and another amtrak train in wisconsin catching fire. and looking into safety not in just
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i meant to say that. switch today and get the no mistake guarantee. comcast business. built for business. . well more on our breaking news. amtrak has revealed it has speed control technology on the opposite side that's the southbound side, not the northbound side. tom, can you explain exactly what this technology does and how it works? >> it's all about creating a matrix of information around moving trains and it starts with satellite technology gps like you have in your car and that gives the engineer with the
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information of where the train is at any given moment. and it passes on information about switches and passes and other trains and you can combine that into control stations on the ground and put into one simple graphic showing the engineer how fast he must get on the brake ss and if the engineer does not do that then all of the information through the compoourtcom computer system will take over the train and even stop it to avoid a problem. that's the positive side of it. there's actually congressional analysis of this done just a few years ago. it could pretty much get rid of all the train to train collisions we've heard about. it should keep us from having anymore of these switching
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errors it should get rid of the problem of work crews getting run into by trains out there and more importantly, it should stop the problem of a train go nothing to an intersection or a turn too fast and simply coming off the tracks derailing, all of that should be stopped. important to note if you put all of this into place, it's still only going to get rid of 2% of the collisions and derailments involving trains every year. this is an important 2% because it should include all those catastrophic events but analysts have said don't forget it will do nothing from stopping trains from hitting pedestrians or people in their cars trying to stop on the tracks and those are the accidents that take hundreds of thousands of lives each year.
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today in milwaukee, an amtrak train carrying diesel fuel and dozens of passengers derailed and thankfully nobody was hurt. and also another train derailed today. and tonight, we're learning how much worse the philadelphia train derailment could have been. it skidded and crashed into a rail yard fill would tanker cards. you can see how close it came to carrying them. they were told they were empty on tuesday but they're often filled with explosive liquids. all of this with the threat from "bomb trains." it's what they call trains that barrel through their communities
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that carry, sometimes, highly flammable material. >> reporter: every day thousands of rail cars carrying tanker after tanker of voltile crude oil roll through american cities and towns and when accidents happen they can be devastating. in february near mt. vernon, west virginia. the oil car split open and a fire ball erupts after derailing. miraculously there was only one injury. >> the best thing is to threat fires burnout for safety reasons. >> reporter: a small town in quebec was not as lucky.
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47 dead. >> i had the chance to visit there and notice how similar the town was in many respects to my own village. >> reporter: karen is village president of daringten, illinois, it's supposed to be one of those upscale suburban communities where the biggest head ache is the commute downtown but in the last few years a bigger head ache has rolled into town. the boom in domestic oil has led to more oil, more trains more potential danger rolling right through dargten. >> you never know what can happen on a given night. we have many homes within 300 feet of the tracks we have a high school a few blocks away from our freight track. >> reporter: she lives right near the tracks and what she and her town is preparing for is what has been commonly known as
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"rolling bombs." >> trains. >> reporter: there have been accidents like this in places like lynchburg, virginia, and the problem magnifyied by the sheer volumes of oil being transported across the use. last year the number was close to half a million. in dargten, they don't need statistics to tell you that. a few years ago, this neighborhood saw barely two trains a day. and then the trains were sold to national and the trains began to roll. >> if there's a derailment in the heart of my town and a breach of the tank cars there can be a plum of flame high into
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the sky and several cars rupture and oil burns, there would be a lot of destruction in the center of town. >> reporter: the response from the government so far is demanding better tank cars supposedly less prone to explode but the cars that exploded in west virginia were new. they still split open and re rerupted in flames. the cause is still under investigation. and the person who used to run the hazardous pipeline administration. he said it's not the tanker that's the problem, it's the rails that carry them. >> they need to say, look you guys need to keep the trains on the tracks. it's that simple. >> reporter: statistics show that after human error, they're caused by one reason bad rail tracks. >> we have invested billions of
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dollars and will continue to for the necessary infrastructure to move this commodity safely. >> reporter: and improving the tracks come with federal standards that are basically left up to the railroads to comply. no real government authority and no real proof any of this is getting any better. which leaves towns like barrington illinois at a cross roads. >> and from philadelphia, drew if you look at the crash scene, you can see the tankers pretty close to the wreck, aren't they at least rerouted through cities? >> they can do that but i want to show you some video we took just a half an hour ago. these are those oil tank cars rolling past the crash scene.
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you can't reroute them around cities like philadelphia. the only thing that they are now requiring is at least notifying safety officials when these trains are coming through basically, anderson giving them a head's up that they're there. >> it's interesting because i don't think a lot of people realized that there's nothing much that the locales can do about it. what about forcing them to make the track cars safer? >> it's difficult to force anything. now they are going to require these newer tank cars. anything to be made from october on to be these new tank cars. as far as improving the rails, yes, they're push them to put in this positive train control and better tracks but again, these are strong suggestions, but
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really unless these governments come up with the cash themselves it's up to the railroads to implement these changes as they get the money to do so and that's basically where we are. >> and ulierearlier, you were talking about how that technology was on the opposite side of the tracks where this wreck occurred. >> we were guessing earlier as to why it was one side rather than the other. and amtrak officials are saying automated train control was in place to automatically slow down southbound trains. is because the trains traveling from new york down into this curve go much faster and so the threat was there that they would inter this curve much faster and the railroads decided that we
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need to slow these trains down and so it was in place for the southbound, which did little help for this northbound train. >> and you reference this a little bit earlier and we talked about a little bit last night when i was in philadelphia, but the safety system was, by law supposed to be in place by the end of this year and there's a lot of pressure in congress to extend it several years. >> they're trying to push it out another 10 years and money is a problem and just doing the work is a problem but i think after this accident they're going to push to get this dead line met which is december 31st, 2015. >> and coming up what it was like for the wife of a passenger when it went off.
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. florida governor and potential presidential candidate, jeb bush has been struggling all week with talking about iraq. >> knowing what we know now, would you have authorized the invasion? >> i would have and so would have hillary clinton, let me remind everybody. >> he tried to walk back his answers in a radio interview with sean hannity. >> i was talking about given what you knew then rather than what you know now. >> so given 20/20 hindsight,
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you would have made a different decision? yeah. i don't know that decision. >> he's taken quite a beating and finally today in arizona, he gave perhaps the clearest answer yet. >> so, here's the deal if we're all supposed to answer hypothetical questions, knowing what we know now, what would you have done i would not have engaged, i would not have gone into iraq. >> and given that his brother authorized the invasion this is a question he probably should have anticipated, the problem is he flubed it several times. so john of all the questions that jeb bush knows he is going to be asked, how could he not have a clear answer to that one,
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unless you take him at his word that he didn't understand that one, i mean it wasn't in a wind tunnel or anything. >> even if he didn't understand that first question from meagan kelly, he's modified five times this week. a lot of political people are scratching their heads because of course he knew coming in that his brother would be a problem. sometimes his father is a problem. most politicians, you may ask them where is iraq going tomorrow and they want to talk about yesterday and he should have given that answer right out the box. and if his goal was to say, knowing what we know now i would not have gone in why didn't he do that right out of the box. and that's why they are stunned boo ithis and they think this is a warning sign at a time when he has other fundamental problems
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with the republican base and at a time laugh at it if you want but christie had a good week. so, it's mess eyy at the beginning. it's not a good sign. >> do you think he misunderstood it family loyalty, or c, he really believed his answer. ium not sure of the other alternative. >> you can go down the alfuphabet. one is loyalty to his family as you point out, that's a very big thing for him and another thing is he's being tugged by his own instinct of how he answers questions and he's rusty and also by his advisors who clearly prepped him how to answer their
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question and he didn't clearly take their advice. because this is the first question they would prep you for, right, how do you differ from your brother in the war on iraq. if you had to do it again do you think it was a mistake to go in? he shdould have had a nonfuzzynonfuzzy answer. >> and your concern about being rusty and that's the concern of a number of 350e7people that he's been out of the game for quite a while. >> you may disagree with me on immigration, you may disagree with me on education but make me your nominee because i can win florida and i can get latino voters. so, he's trying to make the e
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electability electability. a kinder rer gardner could have answered this. this undermines his argument that he's the best person to go up against hillary clinton. >> and he had told people that his brother is his best advisor on the middle east. and that's sort of an odd answer. >> it's a mixed message. he comes out of the box and says i'm my own man and then he apoints half of his brother's foreign policy team as his advisors and then he said he goes to his brother on advice to the middle east and if you're going to say you're your own man, then do it.
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look how hillary clinton is doing this. she's saying my husband is wrong on don't ask, don't tell she thinks some of his prison policies are wrong but he's helping out. >> and we have to give jeb bush for actually being out there and talking to the media and clinton is helping her by saying i may have to relook at that. we don't know what w is going to do if he's going to do anything but i do applaud jeb for at least talking to the press. >> thank you both. up exinnext a man who escape
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. many passengers who survived the train derailment has spoken. and one woman was not on the train, she was on the phone with her husband when it happened. >> he has a severe head lacerations. and he's thankful to be alive. he takes the train a lot because he lives right outside new york city.
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in northern new jersey. >> i like ataking the train. >> reporter: he likes to talk to his wife amy on it phone to say hi to check on their children. it just so happens he was on the phone with her when the train went off the tracks. >> the thought crossed my find the say i think we're going to crash but i wasn't able to say it. what it was that i said or came out of my mouth at that moment i don't remember it might have been oh my god or oh no. the sensation was that i was airborne somehow and landed on the other side of the aisle. >> she didn't hear her husband say anything she was living a real life nightmare, helpless to do anything. >> suddenly i heard a loud noise of some sort and then he wasn't on the phone anymore. we still had a connection so
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the line was live but nobody was responding and i definitely heard a lot of chaos and commotion, a lot of movement i thing a few times i heard people say things like are you all roikt right? are you okay and i was yelling into the phone and there was no response. >> reporter: the phone went flying when the train derailed and amy was stunned and panicked. she called amtrak police and they were aware of the crash but says they had little information. she waited for any word about her husband and then he called from a borrowed cell phone from outside the train. >> i said are you hurt and he said a little bit i'm bleeding. and i said where? and he said can my head is bleeding. >> reporter: and he had to give the phone to somebody else. she found out he was at temple
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university hospital. and it wasn't until the morning hours when she finally saw him that she knew ahe was going to be okay. >> i don't know that it was a hug, it may have been more of a peck on the cheek because he was in a lot of pain and i didn't want to make it worse. >> reporter: they have returned home where he will have follow up with his personal doctor. you have taken amtrak a lot? >> yes. >> reporter: will you continue to? >> i'm inclined to say at some point i will. >> reporter: but you're not ready for it right now. >> i'm not ready for it right now. >> reporter: his very unique specialty is the mental health of elderly asian americans. so he was welcomed to a white house sponsored conference on asian americans and pacific islanders but of course it was
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