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the atmosphere e and the separation of the charges. so it is a dangerous scenario of the storms moving on the oklahoma. and then for western kansas from hayes to goodland to dodge city, the tornado watch there for 8:00 p.m. and now from this time we have radar indication of the radar algorithm showing the potential of the tornadoes from east attorney eastern oklahoma and this is eric right on i-40, and we are watching all of these as the evening progresses. >> pedram, thank you very much. >> yes. 6:00 eastern here on the cnn newsroom, i'm poppy harlow in new york and it is the top of the hour and we begin with breaking news. u.s. special force ss have fought hand to hand with the most brutal terrorists on earth, and they go deep into the terrorist territory in syria, and it could
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shape the u.s.-led war on isis and the details of what went down. a spokesperson telling cnn that dell delta force stormed the area with osprey and blackhawk helicopters, but seconds within landing, thaey were fired upon, and isis doing something unthinkable for most people grabbing women and children and using them as human shields, but incredibly, we are told from the u.s. government that u.s. forces avoid avoided killing any of the women or the children. they did take out about a dozen isis fighters in the raid, and one of the most wanted abu sayyaf who is wanted for a key isis revenue stream oil. instead of killing his wife, they captured her, and they are interrogating her, and they took reams of isis intelligence and computers and laptops, and mobile phoners ersphones and they did it
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with zero casualties. we will talk about this with colonel james reece, but for the moment we have barbara starr at the pentagon, is that right? joining me is colonel james reece, internal affairs analyst. and when we look at, this how big of a target is this? i know they wanted to capture him and not kill him, but the fact that they have taken out abu sayyaf how critical is that that? >> good evening, poppy. yes, it is a big target, but the jsoc the joint special operations command in the special league delta this is what they are design ded to do. they are designed to get the high payoff targets to literally take down the network and to the launch from different areas of the world and to go into syria, and show the combat power we can put anywhere in the world is awe-inspiring operation for isis to see what we can do.
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>> can you talk about the role in terms of the financing isis? i mean, we know that he was someone with deep knowledge of and say, operations over the way they would take the over the oil fields and sem that oil on the black market, but fou that he is killed what happens to the isis money machine, the way it funds itself? >> well, he was really part of the senior leadership jsoc has been tracking as part of the isis senior leadership take keowendown but what happens is that over the year as isis has been taken off by drone strikes or other senior leadership kill ed in the battle in iraq and syria, they have to go through a reorganization in the leadership and he is the guy managing all of the oil and the gas and exporting all of to finances for that but again, as they start to lose senior leadership he started to take the over the other critical jobs, but what does this do?
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again, if you are a business owner, and you walk n and you lose the cfo, you have to literally start looking and what it does is to slow down and makes all of the other leadership deduct a critical analysis of what they have to do their job for. and so it is a big hit, and a bis big disruption to the isis. >> and people look at this, and say, is this mission creep? we have heard over and over no boot s boots on the ground, but there were boots on the ground in the operation albeit briefly. so what does this tell you about the change of strategy? >> there is no change of strategy and this is what the joint operations command when they formed delta forces were formed the do. the president decided that as we a u.s. government do not want to put boots on the ground in syria. and when i hear boots on the ground and this could be a change of policy but boots on
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the ground mean s thats that we will put boots on the groind for a long period of time and sustain soldiers, and operations on the ground in another country that we don't want to be in, and right now the obama administration doesn't want to do that, but when you take jsoc and do the force projection into the area of the world that is called nonpermissive and strike the and get out, and that is what that force is supposed to do, the united states should be proud that we have those type of forces and it does not show mission creep or other boots on the ground. >> all right. colonel james reece thank you so much, and let's talk more about the group that carried it out the u.s. men and women in the army's delta force. they are the elite county terrorism expert, and they were involved in the capture of saddam hussein, and they were also involved in the capture of hostage ebbo bergdahl and also
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involved in the battle of mogadishu and also inspirational in the movie "black hawk down." let's look at how isis is financed, because they have a business model, and they generate, and spend millions and millions of dollars, and this higher up figure killed by the operations force overnight is known to control their finances. joining me is kim dozier who has spent a lot of time in the region, and is joining us now. thank you for coming in. >> i am glad to be here. >> and we are interested to know what you have been told by other defense officials, what abu sayyaf is, because it is not a name like abu bakr al baghdadi but he is one of the top money men. >> well, he is not one of the top four leaders that the coalition is after but he is one of the people who keeps the trains and the trucks running literally by keeping the
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soldiers paid, and the electricity and the water in on the various areas that isis controls. so that sis the person that you want to go after if you are looking for intelligence as to where the network is and how it operates. i understand from senior administration officials that is one of the main selling points to president obama when they met with him, and said that we unanimously recommend this, because even if we don't get him, he may die in the process, and we know that there is a lot of electronic information there on the laptops ash and the e cell phones that will help us to track down possibly everyone all of the way up to baghdadi himself, the head of isis. >> you have said that in temperatures of how he helped to finance them, there were things that he oversaw to make it happen, including buying ammunition in terms of fueling all of the vehicles that they use in the fight, and keeping the lights on and making sure
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that the water run, and making sure that the security forces are compensated and so it is stuff that day-to-day when you are talking about a war, it is critical to keep isis progressing, and who is going to fulfill this hole now? >> well, it is one of the unfortunately patterns that we have seen. the whole well filled pretty fast. when u.s. forces attacked similar troops inside of iraq and afghanistan what they would get to is a pattern of hitting several targets per night, and what would you get to the each target leads to the next one. nin this case, they have gone to one key torgt, and gotten the inpor tant information and exploit it right now, but it could lead to other raids soon by the u.s. or by the partners this the region, but at the same time isis knows this has happened and getting rid of the cell kr phone, and changing the methods of communication, and some key figures trying to move
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around to hide from the potential air strikes. so yes, it is a blow, but that is what the organizations from over time they have learned to recover from. >> his wife umm has been taken by the terrorist negotiators, and how much should we expect that the terrorists share with their wives? do you think that she could have critical information specifically about the hostages held by isis? >> well the white house has said that they believe that she is part of the group, or suspect that she is part of the group, but you are right, women are not going to be looped into the top decision making but she will have offer seen who is coming and going at that compound. that could help the u.s. forces to the track down key figures, if she does identify photographs to the say, where does this
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person fit in the constellation of the isis network, and that is the picture that you need to build to prevent further strikes. one official said that is the reason that you didn't see raids like this before, because they didn't have the intelligence, but they are there long enough to build the picture to make this prab this probably a pattern to come. >> thank you, kimberly dozier. >> and coming up after the break, we will talk about the blow to isis, and the iraqi army pushing back isis fighters from the key city of row mahdi, and we will have a key report are from there next.
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and john boehner said this week i remain greyly concern on aisle's concern which is a vital attack on ramadi that threatens the stability and sovereignty of iraq which is vital to america's interests. and now, let's go to our correspondent in irbil, and what are you feeling that more and more iraqi security forces are are getting a better control there? >> well, i would not say they are in a terrible position but a better one than they were yesterday. they took over the government buildings and flying the black flag, and things like that but once they had established the public relations move of gutting the buildings, they knew that
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they would be air target strikes and they vanished into the site waiting for the control of the provincial capital of the largest province of iraq. they are looking to fight, and looking to save, and we will have to wait to see how it unfolds. >> any sense of what type of weapons the u.s. is sending to the iraqi forces to help them to secure ramadi? >> well, the thing that they are see, and something that sounds like a lot of use for the iraqi s is to stop the car bombers and bulldozer maneuver ss where they can do a maneuver where the armored bulldozers came up to the fortified walls and pushed the iraqis out of the way, and then filled with a armed call filled with explosives. yo to hit those tactics, you
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have to see them in a much closer distance rather than the rocket-propelled rocket. and now, if they make ground there, and how strategic are those other towns when compared to ramadi? >> well, ramadi is important, because it is the provincial capital of the anbar province. this is the three of them falling, and at this stage, all of alarmbar is going to be take then over. and the dam also produces water
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and electricity, and the iraqi army has spent a lot of time to keep it out of the islamic hands, and so it would be a big blow for that garrison. >> thank you for your reporting there on the ground from irbil. and up next the boston bomber is sentenced to death, but does it bring peace to the survivors? i spoke to one of them, heather abbott who lost part of her left leg in the terror attack. her resilience is remarkable. her story is next.
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condemned to death for his role in the boston bombings the jury's unanimous decision that dzhokhar tsarnaev should pay with his life for the 2003 terror attack. 17 people lost limbs, including heather abbott my next guest, who lost her left leg below the knee and i have reported on he her recovery and her spirit throughout the last two years has been remarkable. she helps other amputees gain prosthetics through her foundation at heatherabbott.org. thanks for coming on heather. >> thank you, poppy. >> you testified at the trial, and what was it like yesterday when you heard the verdict?
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>> i was definitely anxious to hear it, and then it was sort of a numb feeling. i guess i was expecting that it would be like some sort of emotion, but it was really kind of sadness. there was not something really to celebrate. >> you posted on facebook that the verdict does not bring you peace and makes you sad, and you said that the verdict, regardless of the one it turns out to to be does not bring you peace. you found peace and closure long before this? >> i did. i think that i had been looking for something else throughout the process of the trial, but i didn't get any answers, and i don't think that i ever will so i think that when i look back over the last two years, closure came to me when i decided to move on with my life. >> have you been talking to some of the other survivors, and i know that you are a close-knit community, and have you spoken to them since the verdict came down and what the feeling is?
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>> i have. we have talked but nobody has really expressed an opinion on the verdict, but it is more of the expressions of support for each other. >> you gave a commencement address yesterday and i know that i spoke to you on the phone after that, and you were driving home and tell me a little bit about what that leaving that commencement speech and then hearing the verdict brought the your mind considering that dzhokhar tsarnaev's age, college student, you just finished speaking with the college student s students. >> yeah. i couldn't help but think that he would be in the same shoes as one omf those students that i had spoke spoken to last night, and how excited they were and how much they had to look forward to it, and it sounds like at one point that he was very intelligent, and i wonder why he threw all of those opportunities away.
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>> we were showing some images, and i think that we can pull them up again, but a recent launch of the foundation, because the headlines said that the focus needs to be on the survivors like you and others like you and the work you are doing. because it is incredible. i can't imagine if what happened to you happened to me, because you channeled nit an incredibly positive way, and tell me about the foundation, and what the goal is. >> well when i became an
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a 5k together and not a whole marathon but 5k and should we do it still? >> i think that we should. >> i will come up and we'll do it in newport, rhode island. heather heather, thank you so much and i am so impressed with the resil resilience and all that you are doing for others. thank you, heather. >> thank you. >> and you can help heather's foundation as she said, they are trying to get others get prosthetics that are incredibly expensive, and all of those prosthetics that look like human limbs are not covered. so you can go to heather abbott foundation.org for more information on how the to give
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the isis financial leader abu sayyaf and instead, he was killed. let's talk about with michael weiss who is a contributor and auwe authority and author of the book "isis inside the army of war." if you talk to some of the organizations themselves his name is not one that comes up and his name was not on the department of treasury sanction so the fact that he is a high-level financial sort of operator within isis could very well be the case, but the pentagon certainly seems to be pushing this line. or it could be as i suggested and i as i have some of the reports he was not the primary
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target, or one of the other targets, and they got away. i am surprised if this guy was hit only because of his, his apparent stature as the oil minister or the oil emir by the fact that the pentagon's own admission that the oil revenue has precipitously declined. >> so why make the calculation to risk all of the u.s. lives? >> well, the haul of intelligence makes sense, because the way to go after the senior officials when you have an active military presence on the ground which we don't have in syria or iraq and so this is an aberration of the norm, and the way you go for the high level guys is that you snuff the middle level guys and take their data. >> and that appears what they did here. >> yes. >> and it appears they were able to gain laptops, and mobile phone, and so still to be seen what intelligence they get from it but how much do you think
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they will get or keep on these? >> well, this is an interesting question, because if his role is as significant as the government is said then quite a lot will have been confiscated, and i'm hearing in the last few hours, his role of the coordinator or the wrangler of the hostages may have been the more precipitating factor in this. >> and that is how his wife, umm sayyaf, was captured, and sources are telling our evan perez that he and his wife have deep knowledge of the hostage holdings. >> yes, and it is the case that the government is not telling us that there are more american hostages being held of isis and there no public evidence to suggest that is the case but again, this is an almost emotional retaliation, and going after the guy who may have been a leading figure in the captivity and then execution of american it iscitizens, and if the goal is to throw him into a new york courthouse and put him on a
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public trial, i can understand that the. and the one hostage he might have had the closest relationship with is kayla mueller the last one who was killed in the rather tragic circumstances months ago, so i am waiting to see how the story evolved in the next several days. >> but if it is indeed the fact that the u.s. government was saying no casualties and no army forces wounded then it is really textbook operations. >> delta force knows what they are doing, and they can maneuver inside of syria and they have done it before. >> thank you, michael weiss. and new mystery of that amtrak train derailment in philadelphia. and clearly something hit the train's windshield before the crash, but was it intentional? we will have a live report next.
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all right. we are continuing to follow two major developments in tuesday's deadly amtrak derailment and one of three engineers interviewed by the ntsb says that the locomotive engineer on the screen reported that the windshield had been struck by an object, and passengers reported in an acela train on that same night had similar things happen on their train and the same thing on a septa train, but what was it that hit the trains? 21 passengers are still hospitalize and eight people died in the derailment and today, the federal railroad administration demanded that
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amtrak beef ufp safety the features and a circuit to monitor the speed. and amtrak said that their overarching goal is to provide safe passenger travel and we will immediately implement the nts nts ntsb's directives to further improve passenger train safety al along the northeast corridor. and renee mar marsh is joining us and it seems too much of a coincidence for it not to be intentional, renee? and now they are investigating. >> yes, and now they are looking at it to see if amtrak 188 was also hit. we know that when the reporters were making the connection, the philadelphia mayor came out to say that they were not
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connected, but after the ntsb received this new information just yesterday from this assistant conductor who said that she thought that she heard the engineer of amtrak 188 say that the train had been truck as well and now the investigateors are taking a closer look at the windshield of the train, and specifically a circular shatter pattern on the lower left-hand side of the windshield and the fbi has been called in to do forensic analysis. this is all going to matter, because ntsb wants to know essence shally all of the factor s -- essentially, all of the factors that may have contributed to the derailment and get to the bottom of it and did it perhaps distract the engineer, but it leaves a question, if amtrak 188 was hit, why was the train accelerating? why would it not stop or slowdown like the septa train did? so it is still raising that question, and that is why it going to be so important for them to analyze the train's
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recorders as well as amizing the brakes to determine if there are any mechanical failures that are also contributing to this, poppy. >> and why is it that all trains, all of these routes do not have that mandated technology that is in some places a ptc, to slow them down if they are going 106 miles an hour into a curve, and it seems in air travel that would be mandatory for any airplane that you get on to have a safety precaution like that, and why not all of these trains? >> well, we know that congress has mandated that all of the nation's railways have what is called positive train control which is what you are talking about here and essentially, it would allow using gps and wireless radio to monitor the train's positioning, and it would know what the speed limit is in a certain area of track, and if a train was going too fast it would be able to slow
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down and even stop a train. congress has mandated that all of the nation's railways have it by the end of 2015 and they have some time. but, you know, i did have some time with amtrak's ceo, and he said to me that, look, we plan on doing this by the end of the year but my question was, why wasn't it done, and yet, his answer was that it is a matter of cost as well as time. it takes time and it is a very complex piece of technology. >> but he also said as you know rene if it were in place, it would not have happened, and eight people wouldn't have died an 200-plus wouldn't have been injured with 21 still hospitalized. renee marsh, thank you, and appreciate it. meanwhile, we want to go overseas where the searchers in nepal have located all eight bodies from the u.s. marine corps plane that crashed in nepal. six u.s. marine ss and two
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nepalese civilians were on that flight. and as we are finding out from our reporter bringing them home from the area east of kathmandu is proving difficult. >> reporter: weather conditions near the marine helicopter crash site 21 miles east are getting worse by the minute. >> if you look over here, you can see that almost all of the american hol copterkopt helicopters are grounded right now, because it is too the dangerous. >> reporter: and thursday we flew over the rugged mountainous ter the rain east of kathmandu, and we saw the villages of the people that the marines were trying to help. six marines, and two nepalese villagers were found at the crash site. >> they were courageous and selfless individuals. >> reporter: their commander is
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pledging to continue the mission, and find out why the chopper went down. their families are beginning to share the stories. >> i love you, chris. >> in wichita, kansas, the captain of the helicopter called him a overachiever who loved sports, life and family. >> i love him with my heart and strength and love and i am proud of him. >> and jake of phoenix was a combat photographer and he was documenting the hurricane relief efforts. >> we stand with nepal. >> and captain lucas zefich was just featured in this department of defense video to describe the video. >> we were able to deliver rice and potatoes and tarps up to the villages of kathmandu, and the areas that are more difficult to get to and unable to reach by
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any ground transportation. >> reporter: these men added to the earthquake casualties and eight men who gave their lives trying to help nepal. will thank you for that report. we will be back in a moment. i'm caridee. i've had moderate to severe plaque psoriasis most of my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ...stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections
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taking a look at the live images out of western oklahoma and part of the area where there is severe weather in oklahoma and in parts of texas and in kansas. let's go straight to the weather center, and you vhave been looking at this all day at the tornado watches, and are things getting worse? >> yes, poppy. there are tornado warnings issued a and this is impacting 21,000 people and west of oklahoma city, and elk city and i-40 run right through here and if you are in washita county or beckham you are seeing the tornado on the ground in extreme western oklahoma, and if you are in the region the storms are
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meaning business so now is the best time to get to the lower part of your home and farther south, another tornado warning, and you can pick out the hook echo in line, and you can see the inflow of the storms right there on the radar and pretty impressive storm signature, and you can see elmore and tipton and about 1,000 people in line for this one, and it is going to progress farther to the east. it has produced two tornadoes, and we know that this is going to be adding two more and broaden ing broadening the horizon here, we are watching for over two million people with this region and so it is go ging to be firing up more tornado, and if not, that you will see the straight-line winds, and hail and in this country, over $1 billion of damage to property and crop damage, so if this storm does not put down tornados, it will put down the damage by way of hail. and again, the ingredients and
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the prime locations in tornado alley the heart of it. so we will follow the storm throughout the evening. >> thank you, and we will come back to you shortly. and the preakness is a horse race with a $1 million purse in a city where young adults earn 20% less than the national average average. looking at the numbers there on the screen, it also is the toughest cities in the nation for children to escape poverty. talk about the study. it it was a harvard study the and talk about it as one of the men who studied it nathaniel hendren now join ging me from harvard. thanks for joining me. >> thanks for having me on. >> and it is interesting, because it says where poor kids stay poor is the name of the
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article, but what you found is that in baltimore, specifically 26-year-old men made a significant amount less than 26-year-old counterparts across the country, and it make you scratch your head and say, why? why in baltimore? do we know the driver? >> well, we don't know the exact driver. what our study documents is that children that grew up in baltimore earn less today, because of the fact that they grew up in baltimore as opposed to the having grown up in another city in america, and so what we have argued is that the impact of baltimore having and other cities like charlotte and o other urban areas in the south especially are producing the lower outcomes for lower income kids. >> it is interesting, because in the study, you look at due paige, illinois, outside of chicago, and you found the opposite thing that poor children raised there have the best shot of climb inging the economic ladder, and children from poor families there grow up to earn 15% more than the
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average person by age 26 and why different there? >> well, that is true. across the united states we are seeing areas that are doing good things for children with poor backgrounds, and there are really five characteristics of the things that are improving the kids' outcomes, and places that have higher education k-12 education, and more two-parent households, and the community has more community engagement and less income inequality and those are the characteristics of the places that seem to be doing well, but we don't know exactly why any particular place is improving the mobility, but those are the factors that we explored. >> and one of tings that you found that fascinate med is that it impacts neighborhoods, nands where the kids are are growing up, and it matters more for boys than little girls. >> that is right. so going back to the baltimore
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versus dupage comparison that you were making, if you take a low income boy say born to the family earning beolow the median income, and you imagine that they grew up in baltimore as opposed to dupage county, the western suburbs of chicago, we would expect them to be earning 50% less as a result of growing up in baltimore as a low income boy, whereas only 30% for low income girls. >> part of the reason that you do the studies is to effect change, and advise policy makers and this is something that the lawmakers look at when they look at where the funding should go to and what it should be used for and one of the things that you look at is voucher housing or section eight8 housing and you found how critical it is for families with children? >> yes, and as a companion study, we studied giving these
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families vouchers with the opportunity to move to better neighborhood, and what we showed is that the vouchers provided to the family s with the families with with the young kids, improved the earnings of those kids by 30%, and also increased their likelihood of attending college, and attended better colleges and less likely to have out of wedlock births as adults, and so we see the vouchers for housing as improving the kids' lives in measurable outcome ss. >> and so what does it mean in the long run, because no matter the political affiliation of anyone, nobody wants to see the money wasted, and if the money is dumbped and not allocated and kept track of, and it is a waste of money. i heard people call canning for it and people in bridgeport, connecticut, calling for more money for the effective programs, and ohow much in the end did you find out the government would benefit if the
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programs stayed in place, net-net. >> that is right if you look at the tax revenue of the families who got the opportunity to move to better neighborhoods, we saw the significant increases in the taxes that the kids are paying every year. so if if you take the long-run policies to improve the upward mobility, the cost benefit analysis is radically different, and the voucher ss we believe paid for themselves. >> the argument has been made by some that what you cannot do is to put all of the poor families in the same place. you have to mix them, and you have seen the cities, in the atlantic written about minneapolis where i am from, and you will see the cities where they have effectively and not kept them all in the same place, and so they have neighborhoods in different socioeconomic level and does that make a sig significant difference in your mind? >> yes if you look at the the cross area places that are improving the mobility for kids they seem to have a mixing of
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kids of different mixing of backgrounds growing up next to each other and we don't know if that sis the toggle or the important factor, but it is striking as you look across the united states that pattern is as you have e described. >> it is a fascinating study, and i encourage people to look at it. nathaniel hendron, thank you for coming on to talk about it, because it is an important issue. >> thanks for having me. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com 7:00 eastern, and this is the cnn newsroom i'm poppy harlow and we are following breaking news. the military mission that killed a isis official deep within the area of isis in syria. and they killed the man who controls the isis flow of money and fundin
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