ssible to fully assess. and a danger that grows by the month. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. police say it's the most violent and gruesome thing they've ever seen. a brutal battle between rival bike gangs in brood daylight. nine people are dead 18 hospitalized 192 arrested. police were there but say they couldn't stop it from happening. i'll talk to a former gang member and the officer who brought him down. also tonight, are police outgunned? is it about to get worse? plus what we know about the deadly amtrak crash in philadelphia. investigators say only the engineer could have caused that train to speed up out of control. but what really happened? i want to begin with the

deadly biker gang brawl in waco texas. a memo to law enforcement warns that the two gangs have been instructed to arm themselves and travel to north texas. police sergeant w. patrick swanton spoke and said he is ready for them. >> we won't talk about what we're doing. we'll just say that we're prepared and able to handle any threat that comes towards us. >> kyung la is in waco. i understand you have some news. >> yeah we're learning from the county sheriff is that the bond for each of the people arrested and being held that bond will be set for $1 million. not for all 170 people. $1 million each. that's the plan right now. we're a little unclear on whether or not the magistrate has approved it for every person but we can tell you, the sheriff is telling us that they are planning on each of these suspects having to face a $1

million bond, don. >> that is high. you spoke to one of the bikers who organized sunday's event at twin peaks. how did he explain the brawl? >> what he said this began as a multi-club event. a bunch of biking clubs all getting together that it was a state organizing party. not a recruitment tactic. and that there was a clash between the biker group that he is from the bandidos with the kos aks. then it was a small fight and then it erupted. with you what this biker is telling us is that he feels that all the bikers are now getting a bad rap from the police. here's what he says. >> they want to be outlaws. >> the kos aks want be too the outlaws? >> yeah. >> so the bandied oz are trying to go straight? >> we're not trying. we have been straight. we didn't do nothing here opinion we're fighting for our rights. they're saying lies on eedidos are

after police officers. >> none of your guys pulled ought weapons against police? >> never. >> the department of justice and public safety does classify the bandidos as an outlaw gang working in illicit drugs and other illegal activities. >> it certainly is a big mess but they're still trying to figure out how many of the dead were injured and shot by bikers and how many by police. >> reporter: exactly. and the reason why, we're talking about a massive crime scene. this is a very big area a big restaurant. it began inside. they spilled outside. there was bullets flying between the various gangs and then they turned on the police and the police fired on them. what we have found out through a law enforcement source speaking to cnn is that four of the bikers who were killed they were killed by police. so that is what we've been able to determine. as far as the others though don, they're still trying to

determine which bullets killed which person. >> kyung, thank you for your reporting. so what is behind gang brawls like the one in waco? and what will it take to stop them? sara sidner goes inside the gangs for us. >> it's definitely on now. >> reporter: this man is in a position to know just how dangerous biker gangs can be. cloaked in darkness he agreed to speak with us. he said he spend five years infiltrating three gangs for the dea. how would you describe how they operate? >> highly -- >> are they different in the way they operate? >> they're very similar. very sophisticated, structured like the military. a lot of members are ex-military. so they're highly trained for combat. they're much better than your average street gang at conducting war. >> when you talk about war, who are they warring with? is it just other gangs? or is it society at large?

>> i'd say it's society at large and mostly other motorcycle gangs. >> that's terrifying. >> yeah. when i did one infiltration half my chapter was ex-marines. so they're highly skilled, highly trained killers. >> charles falco now consults for law enforcement on biker gangs, and said just a month ago he was asked to go to waco because of growing tensions between two gangs. the bandidos and the cossacks. >> the bandidos are the biggest motorcycle gang in texas and they don't allow other motorcycle gangs to enter that state. >> police said the fight was over a parking space. but falco doesn't think so. >> no i know what started it. i actually know. what happened is this club this motorcycle club in texas called the cossacks decided that they were big enough now to go ahead and wear the texas bottom rocker and basically tell the bandidos

that they were ready for war against them. >> so this is a territorial fight? >> yes. it's all about their colors and the state bottom rocker. >> the bottom rocker is the name of the state worn on the jacket to indicate the territory they claim. while this is the worst violence the country has seen in years affiliated with biker gang this is surveillance video showing the chaos in a nevada casino as three people are killed in 2002. >> shots are being fired inside the hotel. people are being stabbed. >> rival gang members shoot it out, leaving the casino crowd dodging bullets. police forcing everyone to the ground as they sort suspects from victims. then in 2011, another casino in sparks nevada when it's over a member of the hells angels is shot dead by a rival gang. and the violence hasn't stayed just in the u.s. violence exploded in the 1990s between the bandidos and the hells angels.

the bandidos accused of using a car bomb and a rocket grenade. >> the problem we're seeing now is in states where you're allowed a concealed weapons permit the biker gangs have been ordered by their leadership to get a concealed weapons permit if they're not felons. because right now in most of the states where they have concealed weapons permits, gang members can get concealed weapons. there's nothing to stop them. >> but he said the bloodbath in waco could have been avoided if they had listened to law enforcement and mandated bikers could not wear their gang paraphernalia. >> my goodness. i want to bring in pat matter founder and former president of the hells angels minnesota chapter and the man who brought him down, a former captain from

the sheriff's office. they're co-authors of breaking the code and they join me now. what the hell is going on here? >> well i don't know exactly what's going on down there in waco. but it's evidently over territory and the club's bottom rocker the state of texas, and along them lines. it's about turf. these clubs don't want nobody else infringing on their territory. >> yeah. >> and the bandidos are the biggest club in texas. >> one of the guys spoke and said earlier, saying we've kicked the thugs out of our gang chris. this isn't the bulk of what's in there. is that true? are they just a big group of thugs roaming rampant and fighting over stupid things like territory? >> you know, what this is if you go back to being a little kid, playing king of the hill. this is king of the hill.

in texas, bandidos are top of the pile. everybody wants to be at that level. that's all it is king of the hill. it's over the patch. we're a net patch in that state. it's all based on that period. >> pat, you have been called the godfather of the minnesota hells angels and we heard from a man who infiltrated the bikers for the dea and he says, as you said this is over a patch. go in detail about that explain what that means, that and territory. >> what that means, up here i'm just going to use my lifestyle, for example. i was the president of the chapter -- the minnesota chapter of hells angels. and up here we don't want nobody moving in affiliated with another group that could cause you problems down the road. and it's all about territory. it's not about drugs like law enforcement thinks. drugs, you know, is part of the culture, but it's not about warring over the drugs. it's warring over the turf the

territory. when hells angels laid claim to minnesota, that's what they mean. that's their state. they don't want nobody else, no rivals moving in. >> so if it's not about drugs, and all the bikers arrested now are facing charges of organized crime. bail is set at $1 million each. explain, chris, how biker gangs operate like organized crime members. >> well, every gang or every chapter out there actually operates on its own. within that group, you're going to have members that commit various crimes and some that probably don't do hardly any crimes at all. but the thing is they've got a society that they built amongst themselves where they know that the guys that they're working with they can trust. and they can do illegal things with it without police finding out about it. so it's their way of finding good criminals to work with amongst themselves. >> but if it's just about territory and reputation what's the difference between that and,

you know just a normal gang or as they call it a street thug? it sounds the same to me. >> you're right. you're absolutely right. >> go on. >> you know in my charter up here what we did, we give a lie detector test to make sure that no law enforcement ever infiltrated the club. and i think that kind of went throughout the nation with other charters in the hells angels. i don't know what other clubs do but you're right in what you're saying. >> yeah. there were 18 uniformed officers at the scene even before it turned into a bloodbath. could anything have been done to prevent this massacre from occurring? >> i wouldn't think so. you can't read their minds. you don't know what they're actually going to do. the whole event doesn't surprise me the number of people killed does. but the event itself doesn't surprise me at all. this type of thing has been

going on since the '60s. >> pat quickly, and then i have another question for you. >> no there's nothing i don't think law enforcement could have done. it was a bike event and they was going to show up no matter what. it's like one club telling another club you don't show up. they're going to show up no matter what. >> texas law enforcement believe that out of town and out of state members may have headed to texas in the wake of yesterday's deadly shooting. do you think they could still see more violence there pat? >> i wouldn't say that at all. most of these clubs want to stay low key and low profile so they don't draw attention. it's happened in laugh lin, it's happened in sturgis, around the country at different times. when the public is around they don't really care what happens at that point, because it just it jumps off. but for the big part of it the bike clubs like to lay low key. and i don't see any retaliation

them going there for that. i think it's going to be between the two clubs. >> thanks to both of you, i appreciate it. >> thanks for having us. >> thank you. >> much more on this. when we come back police across the country may be facing a long hot summer and some fear that president obama's ban on military-style equipment will leave police out-gunned. plus a university professor thinks he knows what is behind the trouble in baltimore, but his theories have a lot of people calling him a racist. are they right?

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the white house today banning federal agencies from giving local police military-style equipment like grenade launchers, high caliber weapons and bayonets. >> we've seen how militarized gear can give people a feeling like there's an occupying force, as opposed to a force that's part of the community that's protecting them and serving them. it can alienate and intimidate local residents and send the wrong message. >> with me now, harry houck and jeff recorda of the st. louis police officers association and cnn political contributor, mr. van jones. the president stepping into the debate over policing saying you know what we shouldn't do

this. do you agree? >> of course i disagree with what he said. >> why is that? >> first of all, i don't know any police departments that's got bayonets and grenade launchers. and i made quite a few calls to find out if anybody did. >> but if they want them they could have them. >> they probably could. but the problem i have with the statement and may i repeat it here other items like explosives and riot equipment will be transferred to police if they provide additional certifications and assurances the gear will be used responsibly. when was it not used responsibly? >> many people said it wasn't used responsibly in ferguson. >> it wasn't even used in ferguson. >> i am proud of this president. he didn't jump out on his own. law enforcement was a part of the process. you had republicans like rand paul and others saying, something is out of control here with the excessive militarization. and the problem that they had, don, there's no policy. there was literally no

consistent they were just passing it out and not tracking it at all. that's terrible. >> grenade launchers, high caliber weapons, certain types of camouflage uniforms and weaponized aircraft. >> you don't see any f-15s flying over ferguson did you? i mean come on. >> but here's the reality, if you're going to put this stuff on the street bayonets should not be on the street. but the rest of it you should have a process, you should have a plan. local government should have an opportunity to weigh in. none of that was in place. the president fixed that, that's a good thing. >> there is a plan. they know how to use the equipment and when to use it. i mean we let riots go on in ferguson and baltimore for one full day without the police taking any action for crying out loud. >> you're there in st. louis -- >> my blood boiling. >> go ahead. why so? >> well because it's just contributing to this myth that we've heard for the last nine

ten months you know that the militarized vehicles those armored vehicles that were used in ferguson all have bullet marks in the side from people shooting at the cops. if it weren't for that equipment, we'd be burying cops. there would be dead cops. how can you be against protecting the guys that were protecting not just the citizens there, but the peaceful protesters? >> don't you think there should be a process by which a local department -- for instance -- >> of course. there was a process. they followed it and none of that equipment that was there was a part of that 1033. >> shouldn't a local city council have a vote on this? if you're going to do it you shouldn't just have a police chief willy nilly and get stuff and use it -- >> they can still buy it themselves if they want it. >> lock it in the city councilman's trunk and wait till the buildings are burning to get it out.

>> after 9/11 all the police departments started getting this stuff because there was the threat of terrorist attacks on the homeland and there still are. we had this thing in waco. what if those guys all decided to take their guns and fire against the police? there was over a hundred weapons found. we need this type of equipment -- [ all speak at once ] >> do you think waco is an example this police may need military equipment from time to time in situations like this? >> first of all, let's be clear. i don't think you're arguing for bayonets. the president is only banning a 50 caliber machine gun and -- [ all speak at once ] >> it's about the distraction of talking about military equipment like it's really the point. >> it really is a distraction. because this, as far as i'm concerned, it's part of the progressives war on the police. >> oh my god. you can't -- >> this is all since obama became president of the united

states. >> rewriting history. >> first of all, let's be very clear, you can either have a militarized approach to policing or a community approach to policing as your main way going forward. most people in the united states recognize that we need to have police working together with communities. it is very hard to do that when at a moment's notice, you could have people in camouflage with bayonets. the only thing the president is saying is if you want to do that stuff -- >> [ all speak at once ] >> if you want the federal government's money and weaponry you have to go through a process to get it. that's not a war on police. >> go ahead. >> say it again. >> go ahead. you were responding to what van said. >> yeah this is all about the distraction. it's about pretending like there was something done wrong by the police in ferguson instead of focusing on what really happens in the interactions. in baltimore they had a non-militarized approach and

they had arsons and riots and looting and attacks on police. in ferguson, they had a more aggressive approach a militarized approach and you had arson and rioting and looting and attacks on police. so maybe it's about what the guy in the crowd with the gun and the molotov cocktail and the glass bottle are doing, not what the cops are doing. >> you don't think it would have made a difference if ferguson didn't have the militarized police present? >> yeah there would be a difference. we'd had dead cops. if they had not donned the defensive equipment right away we would have dead police. >> nobody's talking about taking it away. you guys don't agree with this law enforcement signed off on this and republicans like paul rand and others say, this is not -- >> rand paul. >> -- rand paul -- and others say this is not the way we should be doing policing in america. >> i can see them signing off about grenade launchers and

bayonets. but regular equipment for police officers to use in situations like this. how many times do we see police officers go out without helmets and night sticks? the last two nights in ferguson -- >> it's flash bang grenades -- >> when you lump in all the other militarized equipment, grenade launchers in with the defensive equipment, it paints it all with the same brush. that's what today's release is about. [ all speak at once ] >> that's not what it's about. >> you're saying -- >> -- the police bombing our cities. >> you're saying it's sending that message to the public but that's not what it's about. >> the president knows that we don't have grenade launchers and tracked armored vehicles then why would he even mention it? >> i want to talk about the long hot summer. according to a poll 96% of americans say they expect more racially charged unrest this

summer. >> i think they're trying to send a signal they want an effective response. it's not an effective response to have people out there with camouflage and bayonets. >> in ferguson and baltimore -- i mean baltimore was the most moderate approach to riots that i've ever seen in my entire life as a police officer. i mean it was ridiculous. >> thank you, guys. coming up what caused the deadly amtrak derailment? did a crack in the windshield have anything to do with it? ok. this role is about energy.... we're looking for a luxury hybrid, with the best city fuel economy rating... the lincoln mkz hybrid... and...who has one starting price for gas or hybrid?

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new information now. amtrak resuming service today between philadelphia and new york less than a week after the derailment that killed eight people. investigators say they found no evidence that a mark on the windshield could have been caused by a firearm. the ntsb has not ruled out the possibility that another object could have hit that windshield. but the focus of the investigation is engineer brandon bostjan's handling of that train. let's talk about it now.

david soucie cnn safety analyst and j.p. wright, co-chair of railroad workers nitds. david, first, the review of the black boxes are complete. what are investigators looking for? >> they're looking to make sure that what was intended to happen is what happened by the engineer for example, if he pushed the throttles forward, did they go forward. if he tried to bring them back did they go back? that will be key in the investigation. >> when i spoke to a member of the ntsb last week i said, is it as easy as a gps, tells you which button was pressed when. he said it wasn't quite that simple but today they're saying the train had to have been accelerated by a person. how would they know that? j.p. are you there?

>> yeah sorry. the black box, the orange box, it records everything that the engineer does. so if the engineer blows the honor horn rings a bell pushes the throttle forward, they'll have the information from the black box or the orange box readily available. >> so investigators are now down playing the role of a projectile. we heard about the projectile could have been involved in the derailment. what do you think explains this crash then j.p. in your estimation? >> well the main thing that we need to explain is that the speculation is really not helping in the national debate. but i drive trains for a livinge gliving. so windows are designed to take a lot of stress. this happens a lot on the railroad where it will hit a rock or a tree. the windows are very strong. so yes, we need to focus on that but there's also a

systematic failure when you notice the safety measure was put into place so quickly. so we have a systematic failure that's happening that is a lot bigger than just the window. >> so they train for that for projectiles? >> say it again. >> they train for projectiles? >> you mean locomotive engineers? >> yeah. >> sure. i'm ready to respond to anything like that. >> so david, sources are telling cnn there are basically three reasons the train could have been traveling too fast. and that was due to poor judgment, mishandling by the engineer or something more intentional. so what do you think is the most likely scenario? >> well -- >> this is for david. >> i'm sorry. excuse me. >> okay yeah most likely i hate to speculate, as we were talking before it doesn't help anything until the ntsb comes out. unless there was this idea of intended pullback of the

throttles and the then the train continued to accelerate that's one possibility, in my mind. the other possibility is just that it was an unplanned act. it was something that was overlooked simply forgot he was going into a turn. and the third possibility is some kind of inka passitation by the engineer. he was having memory loss. did that happen before or after the accident? >> we're also learning that the engineer had been traveling the route for just a few weeks. do you think that could have played a part in this derailment? >> l it's not like you get your driver's license and you can go out and drive on any highway you want in the system. each engineer before they take a new route, they're tested on that route. they go out on the route. they know what's happening. they're tested on which curves where, what are the speed limits at each curve? this is not something that just happens. they're certified to run those routes and he was qualified to do what he was doing. >> here's the thing that gets me. there's been so much talk about this positive train control, and

this automatic control. service was restored between washington and new york city this morning. that automatic train control installed before -- i mean this was like a week. if it can be installed that quickly, then why wouldn't it already have been installed on this dangerous curve, j.p.? >> well the investigators talked about the curve being 100-something miles an hour and the other not so much. but we got a serious situation in the press, we got people talking about it all over the united states so of course bam, fixed, we're not going to talk about it anymore. but what we should be talking about is who is the investigator who is the administrator at the fra and are they qualified to be the person who is in charge of the american rail network. that's what we should be talking about. >> follow up on that. what do you mean? >> because we have this issue in the united states about single operations of trains and freight. so the administrator before made

some comments that maybe we should have legislation to quite potentially deal with two people on every train in the united states. now he's gone. there was speculation about that. as we found out this weekend, there's tons of speculation when anything happens. but now there's an acting fra administrator and this person came from facebook and has experience in that industry. now we have a national debate going on about high-speed rail and infrastructure while the person who is the head of the fra may or may not have the qualifications. we're focusing on the qualifications of the engineer but what about the governing body regulating the industry? >> that's a very good point. maybe should be oversight for the overseers. thank you both. coming up, a professor's comments have outrage spreading.

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baltimore, points to decades of discrimination in housing and lending as part of the problem there. one professor at duke university is in hot water for his comments on that editorial. joining me now, host of the ben ferguson show and mark lamont hill, cnn political commentator. host of -- i don't know -- something. [ laughter ] all right, let's get into this. duke university professor, jerry ho he wrote that the "new york times" was wrong and politicians in baltimore have failed them. he said the blacks get symbolic recognition in an utterly incompetent mayor who handled this so badly from beginning to end that her resignation would have been demanded in she were white. the blacks get awful editorials that tell them they should feel sorry for themselves. mark i'm going to start with you. do you think that racism cited

in the "new york times" editorial was an excuse for blacks to feel sorry for themselves? >> absolutely not. dr. ho is absolutely -- >> or is it ha? >> i thought it was huff, but i was going with the flow. in ferguson, you had a white mayor, a white police chief and you had incompetence and they managed to survive a whole lot of time without any significant pressure to lose their job. people asked for it just like in baltimore. so it's not true. what this professor did, dr. huff was inappropriate. it was not civil. he has every right to say it. it's not a free speech argument. so the free speech trolls can be quiet. i have every right to say it's inaccurate, unempirical and disgusting. >> all right, ben, go ahead. >> i think the main thing here is you have a guy that's saying something that may be incredibly politically incorrect, but was

he making a semi- legitimate point with some of his corrections in saying that people went easy on the mayor of baltimore partly because she was african american in a city where the riots were happening? if it would have been somebody else that was white, would they have taken a lot more criticism? you can debate that. but ferguson, remember there was no hands up don't shoot. a lot of the things came out after the fact. there were calls for people to resign and quit and some of them did on that police force. >> he said in 1965 the asians were sdrapelinated against as least as badly as blacks. so where are the editorials that say racism doomed the asian americans? they didn't feel sorry for themselves but worked doubly hard. so here's the problem. asians are painted in comparisons to black. is it fair to compare -- this is ben first -- asians in black in this regard? >> i don't think it's fair to compare any different races. you have to look at for what it

is. i think his point was, you have had two different tracks in his mind. he's saying many asian americans and those that were treated terribly during the war time when people were terrified of them because of being spies in the war, they came out of it and didn't say, we needed affirmative action or anything else. they worked hard went to school and made incredible livingslive ings s for themselves. the other argument was, people have been using a crutch for far too long. that's his viewpoint. he's seen it through academia for a long time. >> i've interviewed a lot of people who say they were -- raised to responding to racism twice as hard. you should never give cops an excuse to arrest you or the appearance of wrongdoing. does the professor have a point there? that's what ben is saying there. >> well ben is saying a few things. let's deal with all of them.

yes, his academic expertise isn't in this area. i read one of his books this weekend after he made these comments. his expertise is in russia and the soviet union. >> the guy's got -- let's not just count his degrees. he's got a lot of degrees on a lot of different things. look at his resume. it's not like he's an idiot. >> he's not an idiot. his degrees and expertise are communist russia. i'm not going to defer. i'm going to rely on my degrees. what he's saying that's incorrect, first of all, asians aren't all doing well. to paint them all together, if i were to along at cambodian youth, or mung youth you'd find similar outcomes to black folks. to paint everybody with the same brush, it's dangerous. asians did not come here as property they've not been

subjected to the same type of violence for 200 years. i'm saying everybody's context is different. and to compare them is ahistorical and counterproductive. >> i've got to go but i want to talk about this if w have another chance. he said the issue of whether my comments were accurate no one said i was wrong. so you're saying it's flat-out wrong, mark lamont hill. we'll talk more. i appreciate it. i'm out of time. 50 years after selma, we go into a southern town still very much divided by race. that's next. ♪ building aircraft, the likes of which the world has never seen. this is what we do.

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grade school. >> i went to the prom when it was whites only but it wasn't really as fun as when it was together. everybody should be together. we all go to the school together. i mean we grew up together during school. so why not go to prom together? >> okay i could do that for you. >> two years ago, it was segregated you had the white prom and you had a black prom and nobody said anything about it. after prom we got together but you couldn't go to a white prom if you were black and vice versa. so it's really great to finally come together as one and do it. >> joining me now is jillian loud the director of southern rights and ki ki burns, who is featured in the documentary. hello, ladies how are you? >> how are you? >> you were shocked, jillian, to learn that there were segregated proms in this town. and you came about the story in a really odd way. you went to the town once and then you went back years later. explain how you came upon this.

>> so in 2002 i'm a freelance photographer and the magazine that i worked for, spin magazine received a letter from a young student at montgomery county high school. it was a plea for help. she was basically saying, please come tell this story. they are still having segregated proms in my town. i can't take my boyfriend to the prom. >> she was white and her boyfriend was black. >> correct. >> so you went down and you? >> so the prom had past and the next segregated event was homecoming. so we went down in the fall of 2002 and i photographed the segregated homecomings of montgomery county. >> at one point they changed it once it had become public then they no longer had segregated proms, right? >> well there were -- when the segregated homecomings came out in spin magazine they intimidated them and there was

only one queen. there was no longer a black queen and a white queen. >> right. >> and then i was haunted by this town and i wanted to go back and i discovered -- i called the school and asked them in 2008 when is your prom? the school administrator said which one? and she said oh well the black folks' prom -- oh the white prox's prom is in two days and the black folks' prom is in a couple weeks. and this was ki ki's prom. so i went down and photographed segregated proms. >> once they integrated what did people think in the town? >> i was out of school when they integrated. >> but you knew people? >> i did know people and that was a really close class. so it was like they had a wonderful time. it was the best prom ever so much fun actually having the whole class be together. >> and no issues? >> no issues at all. >> so tell me the story, you guys got this touch with each

other again. >> keyke let me know that her first boyfriend was killed. >> yeah, there was a shooting. did it happen when you were there? >> i was -- i was filming that year. so normandy smith is the man that killed justin patterson. justin patterson was invited over to the home of norman's daughter. >> and that's justin patterson, was your ex-boyfriend at the time. >> yes, sir. >> but you had been broken up? >> yes, sir. >> did you tell her the story? >> yes, sir, when i got the news i called her and informed her about what was going on. because no actions were being taken. other than people that knew him. so i wanted her to come down here and shine some light on the story and she came. >> did it shine light? >> yes, she did. >> what happened? >> his family was very supportive of her interviewing

them. she followed the story throughout. it shined light, you know it's in the documentary or whatever. but the punishment part -- >> yeah. >> john legend who is the music legend now, john legend is the executive producer of this film. how did he get involved with this? >> so john and i have a mutual friend and she thought that this is something that would really resonate with him. and he heard about the project and he immediately came on board, which was such an incredible -- we were so lucky because he's -- he's amazing and and yeah. >> the music legend john legend on "the daily show" talking about this project and how he got involved. >> when you say racism still exists in america, people say that's crazy. white people voted for obama. it ended! >> yeah it didn't.

[ laughter ] the thing is some racism is very easy to identify you know the donald sterlings of the world, the people who use the n word in a malicious way. it's easy to identify certain racism but a lot of racism is structural. and in the criminal justice system it often plays out in sentencing in who gets charged for what and how juries are picked all these things that discount the value of black lives versus other lives. >> how did that impact it having him on board? >> oh my goodness. he's so incredibly well spoken. he's so true in his activism that he just -- he adds so much meaning to everything that he, you know gets involved with. and he really cares. so -- >> the prom is desegregated now and so is homecoming. what is it like living there? >> now i feel like kids that are

dating people of different races, they're more open to come about and let it be known and be seen in public. they done it back in the day, but no one knew about it, but the students. now they're more open to a lot of biracial relationships and stuff, so it's a big change. >> it's very interesting. thank you. i appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. >> all right. we'll be right back. bring us your aching... and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested and ready to enjoy the morning ahead. aleve pm. the first to combine a safe sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. for pain relief that can last until the am. so you... you... and you, can be a morning person again. aleve pm, for a better am.

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that's it for us i'm don lemon. see you back here tomorrow night. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening from texas tonight, i'm in el paso on assignment, the story is further east. in waco where one outbreak of deadly violence just happened and officials are warning another could be possible. the bulletin from texas authorities obtained just moments ago, warning that additional members of two biker gangs could be making their way into the state. they are considered armed, dangerous, and after what happened yesterday, there's no reason to doubt that. already in waco, law enforcement is busy because of those two gangs and others. they've been processing inmat