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the navigation lady says to me -- do you want to stop for a beer. >> read that. >> you look sharp. >> you haven't seen me naked. >> we're going to keep it that way. >> david letterman says good night, special tonight at 9:00 on cnn. thanks for joining us. anderson next. late dedales -- details in the waco shootout and the search for one man's whose bail was set lower than the others. and hillary clinton has gone 28 days without answering questions about e-mails and the billions she and her husband has received and now she finally breaks her silence. and now tonight you'll meet a remarkable individual who saved lives by raining into
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that. and we begin with the fallout from the warfare in waco. one who got a smaller bail after the judge thought better of it. seven people now are hospitalized and nine people are dead and there is growing concern about keeping their funerals safe from reprisals and we start with kim in cako. and the three released from jail on bond what happened? >> reporter: what happened is those three were arrested outside of the perimeter. according to the police department they were headed this way and the case number didn't correlate with this large group case numbers so their bond was set at 50,000 dollars. nothing long with that and they paid the amount and they walked. it does not appear to be an error. but when a police officer
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matched them with the bail set at $1 million, and now there put out a warrant for them and for a third and police believe they will be in cust soon. >> and what do they believe happened starting out on sunday. >> reporter: police are getting more of the details. they believe this happened outside, over a parking dispute. this may have been a biker getting his foot run over but also there was a skirmish inside. regardless this boils down to a dispute between a established biking group and a biking group that game into the city and this became a turf war. >> and the parking lot behind you, what have police found in
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the vehicles behind. >> reporter: this is a lob orus job and they have to get warrants to go through the cars one by one. we've seen them pull out long rifles weapons, guns knives and weapons with padlocks on them. >> i appreciate the update. and i appreciate the logistics of holding 140 suspects and according to the paper, it took until about 10:40 this morning for the final suspect to be delivered to the jail and they are having to keep the rival gang members kept in separate parts of the jail for everyone's safety and joining me now is sergeant swarnton. and first of all, are you any closer to finding the biker are
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you looking for. >> yes. and thank you for having me. and bankruptcyreaking news as i walk up i am told the third individual was arrested and is in custody? >> do you know where he was found? >> it is so hot off the press, pardon me for using those details, i just found out he is in custody, i'll find that out for you. >> and the 170 in customer some facing capital murder charges, are they cooperating with police in jail and any forthcoming with any information in interviews? >> i don't have that. i just have 170 individuals charged with a significant crime and a serious bond set on those individuals and if i could say anything to them my advice would be if you know something, you better cooperate or you may be in the jail system for quite
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sometime. >> and you mentioned, authorities have to keep them separate based on what group they are part of, it has to be logistically a challenge to say the least. >> yeah. and i started this morning's conference to thank you so so many of the agencies involved. and we have the sheriff's department and they handle the jail issues and the housing of the prisoners and 170 persons being brought to you at one time is quite a pros toe deal with. those jailers that have come in on their off-time and called into active duty and the extra support they've had to bring in to do that is a huge effort on their part. and we just can't praise law enforcement enough for the above and beyond everybody has gone to in what is an extraordinary case i want to ask you about as
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much of the details possible as you know and again it is early days in this investigation and i totally understand that. and according a law enforcement source cnn was told there were preliminary indications that four of the bikers may have been killed by police. the autopsies have not been completed. can you -- do you have a firmer sense today than you did yesterday of exactly what went on in the moments before and during the confrontation? >> we do. and that is what i talked about this morning. we got a little more clearer picture of exactly what happened on sunday afternoon. we know that it was a -- a bike group, a gang of bikers that had access to the facility that they had made arrangements for in advance. they came there with the intent
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of having a meeting. at the meeting there were other biker groups that were invited to the meeting. one of the bike gangs in the local area was not invited to the meeting. they then showed up and very quickly after them arriving the squirmish broke out. as we talked a little bit ago, we know there was a dispute inside. we have a crime scene inside and outside of the restaurant. we know shots were fired from inside of the restaurant and as well as in the parking lot. we have evidence of weapons over the entire play. it was a melee is the only way to describe it. our officers were within seconds of response. we saw the initial disturbance break out and as they were pulling up on to the scene shots started being shot by the bikers and our officers were being shot at and they returned fire to
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protect themselves and our citizens in the area. >> and there were issues yesterday about potential retaliation about police officers and how concerned are you about potential retaliation by your police officer. >> well that has toned down. there was basically contracts out on us and that has toned down some. we said early we would like to see happen and we understand this was a terrible violent event. we have seen enough blood in waco and somebody asked me earlier, are you asking the gangs to cooperate, absolutely we are. we have seen enough violence we've seen enough death and we've seen enough blood shed and we've seen the rhetoric tone down a little bit.
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and i with tell you, we appreciate that. we want to work with anybody we can to keep peace in our community and sometimes it makes strange bedfellows. we understand there is a criminal element but we don't have to fight each other. we ask them to step down and take time to take a break. and sometime asked me if pe were worried about retaliation at the funerals. history repeats itself. violence condones violence in violent gangs. we are hoping that doesn't occur and we're asking that it doesn't occur and in the event it does we have enough resources to deal with that. >> sergeant swan thank you, we appreciate that. thank you, sergeant. we've had a crash course in outlaw biker culture. and joining us now, executive editor of texas and he's wrote
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about the bandidos skip thank you for joining us and you've been talking to sources, what are you hear being this shootout? >> the most recent information is of the nine who were shot seven or eight were cuss acs and one or two were bandidos. and cos acs were a young club in east texas made up of a new upstart generation of bikers who decided to take on the big guys the bapd and they did wants to wear a patch on the back of their vest called texas and they wanted to be their own guys and did it was to go after the number ones and they showed up at waco and the fight ensued. >> and you've written about the
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bandidos and you spent some time about them and you showed up at a funeral and you wrote about them what are they like. >> this is going to sound odd in the aftermath of a funeral, they were throw backs of the open road they love to be the bad -- and they like to be the tough guys in the biker bar. and they are. and when law enforcement calls these groups like the bandidos terrorist gangs, are they really criminal enterprises that are devoted completely to raping and pillaging and creating all kind of drug dealing and so on and if that is true then at this point law enforcement and fbi task force and dps, would have in some way have brought them all down. but they haven't been. and i take a modest tempered
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view of who the bandidos are. there are plenty of criminals in the bandidos. there are certain chapters that run crimea. they shake down strip joints and deal methamphetamine but these are not like the cartels on the bonder who -- border who are driving tons of drugs over across the border in the united states and cutting you up in pieces and burying you in the ground if you look at them the wrong way. but they like the open road and they are droub together in -- drawn together in this perplexing fellowship of loyalists. one of the things that completely shocked me when i first began to hang around the bandidos was the fact that they kissed each other on the lips as a greeting. these are very heterosexual men
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and they have more than one wives or old ladies and they love to be with them porch bol, proud bandidos old lady and they are very tough man but they see each other at a funeral and they kiss ach other on the lip and say i love you, bother and it is a loyal ty a citizen, to us it is bewildering. >> and we would love to talk to you as this develops. with so many facing capital murder charges, it legally will be tough to make these allegations stick, so it will be interesting to see in the coming days how this number declines. skip hollings worth, i thank you so much. coming up next why the shootout may have been surprising but far from shocking. colorful stories
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breaking news out of waco the last of three suspects released on bond in a mix-up is back in custody. before the break, we talked about the colorful aspects of the bandidos but the fact is the members are accused of some of the crimes on the books but this is not the first time. details from nick valencia it was called the bandidos massacre back in 2006 eight members are killed and stuffed into these vehicles in a farm in ontario, canada each victim shot in the head. they described it as an internal cleansing by the biker gang. and some were rounded up in
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seattle, including drug trafficking, weapons, kidnapping and extortion. one of them arrested was the president at the time george wakers. >> the government they do what they do they pile it on they pile charges on everyone. >> he took a charge of conspiracy to engage in racketeering. he said the authorities are out to get the bandidos and any crimes are perpetrated by a few bad apples. >> the club does not go out and appoint criminal activities. the club makes no money off of criminal enterprise. the individual may make money out of it but not the club. it is not different if you are in congress and you commit a crime, that doesn't mean every congressman committed a crime. >> some experts however say
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violence and criminality are baked into the dna of the bandidos knowing they are 1%, apart from the 99% law abiding bikers. >> 5% is a symbol they way on their colors physically and symbolically is to be the extreme, the most dangerous, the most absolute of the outlaw bikers. >> the bandidos biker gang or motorcycle club was started here in 1966 but a disillusioned war veteran and the colors are in homage to the marine corp. and today they boast members in 16 states and they are the biggest and the baddest club. >> they are often involved in
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various drug trade, guns, weapons, extortion, prostitution stolen goods, those are the main areas of criminality. >> and which gang can rack up the biggest war chest. >> and nick valencia joins us now. and so if this has gone on for so long, how has law enforcement not cracked down on them? >> while they are an international organization each chapter operated autonomous from the organization saying they are disconnected from the organization as a whole and publicly they contend that them being a violent group is a vestage of them to the past but them being tied to an event like sunday makes it a branding. >> some do manage to infiltrate and what they learn can be
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invaluable and former atf agent jeff dobbins joins me. and we had a guest that said a lot of the guys were just interesting characters who were not necessarily -- there were people prone to violence there weren't all of them prone to violence. and the cos acs, which is also the gangs that you infiltrated, are they just individuals committing crimes not an organized crime? >> the individual members in the gang not everyone who wears a patch, a hell's angel patch, a bandidos patch is a murder or a rapist but they fall under the umbrella of the gang and they benefit from the name the
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intimidation of the name and they all come to war when there is a problem or a fight and is every single member a hard and violent criminal? no. but they all benefit from the ones who are. >> and law enforcement said there is gun running, narcotics trafficking, prostitution in some cases. is that common? >> it is the tools of the trade. there is a myth that they promote, which is they are just these big, looking teddy bears that don't want to live by society's rules and their own code and the row mabt six of the motorcycle and the liberty of the freedom, that is a fraud and they are about territory, money, hate and control. >> and the size and location of
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this fight were certainly unique but the groups, are they constantly taking aim at each other fighting over territory and reputations? >> absolutely. i think what was shocking to the public i wasn't shocked by it was the size of the fight, the number of people involved nine gang members dead dozens more in hospitals, it takes place in a public venue and then the public's eyes open up and say, wow, these are danger boys this kind of conduct is going on all of the time. maybe not to that scale or scope, but it is going on all of the time. and we see it in public and we are shocked by it as a culture, and we shouldn't be. >> if it is organized crime syndicates why haven't authorities been able to weaken it take it apart, like they have the mafia in many places? >> really difficult to do.
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difficult to investigate. there is a code of silence. there is very little cooperation. very difficult to get inside of their wire. they are great techniques and tactic to prevent infiltration. and law enforcement is so -- spread so thinly with the terrorism, with gang events, with riots, with all of the things that are damaging america, that there is really just not enough to go around. that doesn't mean we shouldn't be. we're just not. >> jay, fascinating look into this culture. thank you for being with us. jay dobbins. coming up next hillary clinton, answering some questions, for the first time in a month, like when the public will get a look at all of those state department e-mails.
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hillary clinton today wants the state department to release e-mails during her time as secretary of state. and to do so quickly. and she was asked by that topic and other more uncomfortable
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topics. >> are we ready. >> it wasn't exactly hillary clinton unplugged. but for the first time in 28 days she did what most presidential candidates do she answered questions. >> well hello, everyone. >> she started with the long way to see her e-mails as secretary of state. >> i have said repeatedly i want those e-mails out. nobody has a bigger interest of getting nem released than i do. >> the state department said it could take until january to release all 55,000 pages of e-mails but a judge said today they should come sooner in smaller batches. clinton said she agreed. never mind her server is behind the whole controversial. >> i am repeating here today, i want them out as soon as they can get out. >> she talked about revivaling small businesses today. but criticism about not taking
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questions followed her and so she relented and flashed a smile as she reflected on some clinton allies allies. >> and i have many important friends and i think it is good to have friends before you had friends in politics. >> she didn't say today whether she was aware blumenthal had sent her e-mails. >> and on the iraq war, she made her regret clear. >> i know there were a lot of questions about iraq missouried to candidates over the -- posed to candidates over the past weeks, i made a mistake.
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>> she reported last week that she and her husband have made $30 million since 2014. >> obviously bill and i have been blessed and we're grateful for the opportunities we had but we've never forgotten where we came before. >> but her midwestern roots raised near chicago, is what she wants voters to remember. >> all of the talk of not taking questions was drowning out supporters. back here in iowa. >> and joining me gloria borger and malika heaven. and so this is the personification of a clinton adviser and he was advising her,
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not sure if she knew he had business interest there and who do you make of this? >> at the very least, it is embarrassing and i think there are legitimate questions you can raise about a conflict of interest because he did have legitimate interest there. we don't know if she was aware of that. and when the name sidney blumenthal comes up they are like really? because his name is controversial, he's a clinton partisan and been in their or bit for decades and not someone they expect someone sending e-mails to the secretary of state about libya. she passed it on. look you don't want to live inside of the bubble and it is good to get information from inside of the bubble ands pass it on and she said it was
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unsolicited but embarrassing at the very least. >> and he is not a lobbyist but it is as if a lobbyist had an in side track to someone going to be the president of the united states and she's passing it on to the diplomats who seem to be just roomers or just plain wrong. >> that is right. and on some occasions she noted that some of the information that she was looking at seemed plain wrong. but she did often pass it along. and one of the things about the information he passed along, it wasn't vetted. if you are getting action ses -- access to the secretary of state, a lot of that information will be vetted and that wasn't the case here. somebody like sidney blumenthal he is a commute washington guy.
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and what you hear about the clintons is their loyalty is to folks in their circles but in this case it is coming back to bite them and you have seen conservatives picking this up and in terms of the circles, whether it is the clinton foundation or the clinton white house and the secretary of state and all of this swirl of scandal that conservatives are trying to pick up but if you look at the polls it hasn't stuck to clinton yet. >> here is the thing about blumenthal he wanted a job in the state department. she wanted him to have a job in the state department. and the obama people said no way. they didn't like him because he had been so partisan in the campaign and they kind of blocked him. and so he still had an open line to hillary clinton even though he didn't officially work for
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her. >> and it sort of -- raises hup and trust -- trust hillary clinton and think about the questionable dealings this plays into the narrative. >> it z. and that is why trey gowdy, investigating benghazi has asked for bummen thal to come in and have a private session with them so they can talk about this. so you already see that happening with republicans on the hill and it is going to continue on the campaign trail. the question is why give them the father. >> gloria borger and malika henderson henderson, thank you. and shutting down four cancer charities we've been investigating since 2013 and wait until you hear what the family that run all four of these charities did the money they allegedly raised.
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many of you may know drew griffin and david fitzpatrick spent three years exposing
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fraudulent charities across the country, reporting in lawsuits and now a crackdown that the federal trade commission is calling historic. today they filed paperworks on a massive nationwide fraud on four so-called cancer charities that were the focus. those were in north koreatennessee and arizona. >> we called them some of the worst charities and they responded with silence. shutting the doors in our face. >> if you have any other questions, send them to the e-mail. >> even giving us the finger. the question they wouldn't answer -- where is all of the money? 2.5 years later, we have a pretty good idea.
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>> this is a historic moment. >> a federal investigation has found $187 million raised in donation to four separate cancer charities has gone not to cancer survivors or research but to somewhere else entirely. scammers and fundraisers. if you gave a dime to the breast cancer society run by james reynolds jr., the cancer fund of america, the children's cancer fund of america run by his ex-wife rose perkins or the cancer support services you are not going to like it. >> this is about as bad as it can get. taking money away from cancer victims. >> in a massive crackdown on this familiar of charities, the federal trade commissions and toernls general announced two charities will be dissolved and fines totaling $136 million and
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have outlined how donations were spent on luxury lifestyles the personal spending send jessica rich that appears to have had no limits. >> cars for individuals and others working at the company and meals at hooters, gym members, cell phone apps and games, movie tickets, carnival cruises and jet ski rentals and baby sisters for the kids. >> jim reynolds is now fighting back. he runs two groups and has refused to talk to us for the past two years and refusing to shut down. the federal trade commission will try to force him out of business.
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according to the complaint, specific promises to help cancer patients were untrue these were lies the complaint said and the reynolds' family charities helped themselves and rampant nepotism and hiring friends and relatives for big salaries. and james reynolds jr. who ran the breast cancer society, hired his assistance christina hickson to be his relations manager and then married her, her salary 135,000 dollars. and the charity hired her two sisters and her son by a previous marriage and her son and step-nephew and none with the qualifications for the job.
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>> they spent all of the money on themselves. >> a whopping $187 million. >> there were many victims peer. the people who donated to cancer patients and the patients that didn't get the money they needed and the trust that we have in our charitable institutes. >> it is unbelievable drew. did any of the $187 million do any good? >> at most $0.03 on the dollar went to something you might call charitable but there isn't proof it went to any of the people they said it would go to. >> it is outrageous. and the charity, they are fined more than $130 million. is there any money left? >> no. those are symbolic fines. the goal is to shut the charity down. if they are going to dissolve, to do so and give a complete accounting and then the fines go away.
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captain was driving through north carolina when he came across a horrifying scene. this scene. i'll spike to him in a moment but first jean has the story. >> a head-on collision on sunday in rural north carolina. people in both cars were trapped as fire began to engulf the vehicles. police say a chrysler suv traveled over the median line colliding with the red acura. >> they were trapped in there, the windows were up the doors were locked. >> neighbors had to act fast. edward basoneon grabbed a fire extinguisher. >> voglezon used the fire extinguisher to bash out the
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windows in both vehicles and that is him getting them to safety. >> he was to be there at that spot at that time. >> and now charged the man of driving left of the line. >> and can you tell us how this unfolded? did you see the vehicle go up in flames? >> yeah i was there when we were going to the mall actually and we pulled up and one vehicle was on the side and smoking and one was headed toward the ditch and we never saw the actual crash but i saw the aftermath. >> and when you got to the car, were they unconscious? >> no. i got to the first call the silver suv, when i got there, he was conscious. and i calm to him first, because
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the car was upside down and smoking. so when i went to him. he was smartphoning and screameingeing -- he was moaning and screaming and i know he was coherent enough to do something and that is when the sheriff deputy arrives and i went over to the red car. and after that a small explosion, pop and boom and i looked up and saw the car was completely engulfed in flames. and i ran over to rim next. >> so what happened next? >> i think the video picks up to aid mr. thompson he was the -- the first one we took from the car. we took him to safety. one person there was a doctor and he was wearing a red hat and he was on the scene as well. >> i know you will play this
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down but you acted courageously and selflessly were you frightened at all? >> i get that question a lot, but to be honest looking back now, to see the video, it is crazy, but in the moment at that time you know i didn't really have time to react or time to get scared just time to react. i saw people who needed help and i guess my programming picked -- kicked in and went from there. >> and i have to ask, are you wearing a captain america t-shirt? >> yes, i am wearing a captain america t-shirt. >> do you always go around wearing a captain america t-shirt or is this just a coincidence? >> it is a coincidence. >> i got it as a joke. my girlfriend and i were in the mall and it was a funny shirt and so i bought it. and that morning, shouldn't
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morning it was clean and so i put it on. >> it was clean. and the end of the laundry cycle and that is what you had that was clean. >> yeah. i have t-shirts and i reached in and picked one up to put it on. >> it is appropriate that you were wearing that captain voglezon voglezon thank you. it is an honor to talk to you. >> no problem. >> captain america. and it is the eve of the end of an era. we'll say good night to david letterman, next. now that i have a tempur-flex, i can finally get a good night's sleep. when i flop down on the bed, and it's just like, 'ah, this is perfect." wherever you put your body it just supports you. like little support elfs are just holding you. i can sleep now! through the night! (vo) change your sleep. change your life. change to tempur-pedic.
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it is truly the end of a late night era. david letterman's last episode is tomorrow night. tonight cnn airs a look back hosted by jake tapper. a clip about letterman announcing he was retiring. >> in 2013 david letterman became the longest running late night host in history. >> my name is david letterman, the one fixed point in the ever changing late night sky. >> then last april he made a shocking reveal about a phone call he had with cbs honcho les. >> i said you've been great, you've been great. >> and he said can you just come
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with me and we went into the little alcove. and he said -- >> i'm retiring. >> the special airs here in just a minute. host jake tapper. i never heard that he told you. and as true about david letterman, as much as people feel like they know him, people don't know him. and people find out minutes before the announcement. >> he is as adam sandler referred to him, he's everybody's tv best friend but there is so little we know about him. and there are so many reasons why when there were little moments that people showed about him, or after 9/11 or during his sex scandal, it was a reminder this is a real human being. and unlike other late night
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hosts, he doesn't see you before you go out. >> like jay leno will stop before or all of them stop by before and when you're gone you're gone it is not like he's hanging out with the guests. >> to. and he hates the phoniness of show business and he can be a tough host. less so now in the 80s and 90s. and the idea was if he didn't like somebody and he liked you anderson or if he didn't like cher or shirley mclain or i think someone who didn't come jackie or joan collins, who didn't come to play his attitude was this is an entertainment show and we're putting on a show here and if you aren't going to bring something, i'm going to bring something to you to create something. >> and you talked to a lot of great names about to air, conan and kimmel and they talk
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reverendly about the impact that david letterman made on them. >> and leno won the -- the ratings but david letterman had an impact on pop culture. >> thank you. that does it for us. stay tuned for the cnn special report david letterman says goodbye. >> the follow is a cnn special report. >> i happen to be the most powerful man in american broadcasting. >> there really was no preparation. it was spontaneous. >> carson was the best show. jay created the anti-show. >> i have more memories show than my own life from that