militants capturing a strategically important city. this target is palmyra. the added concern human but historical. the fear isis will destroy artifacts as it has in the past. >> this as the debate here at home intensifies about the u.s. strategy to fight isis. and some gop presidential hopefuls say it's time to send ground troops. we have this story covered the only way cnn can. let's begin with nick paton walsh just back from syria. he joins us live from beirut. tell us what you saw, nick. >> reporter: alisyn quite devastating potentially the impact on the world's history if isis do what they've done in so many previous places in iraq and destroy the artifacts in palmyra. we're talking about ruins that have survived since the first century. named after the date palms that used to grow there, still do in fact in the oasis. became a trade route between the roman empires and persian

societies there as well. quite stunning to behold those ruins. they may not be there if isis do what they've done in the past but there has been substantial group -- there's now a very modern human crisis emerging 100 soldiers killed overnight as isis swept in taking the airport there. a prison and intelligence headquarters we're told. unclear the fate of the prisoners, potentially they've been killed reports of executions in the streets as well. potentially 100,000 people in that city. a long telegraphed capacity for isis to move in but seems the regime have pulled back. it's a vital moment alisyn because this is the first time that isis who haven't really messed with the syrian regime quite some time focusing on other rebels the first time they've moved against the regime population center and this does potentially give them a straight highway move toward the capital damascus run by the regime. troubling indeed isis still having that momentum. >> this is a vital moment as you say, nick. thanks so much. we'll check back in with you. across the border with iraq isis still destroying ancient

artifacts there. arwa damon joins us with the latest live from baghdad. good morning, arwa. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. and that is why the concern for palmyra is so sharp because exactly what we saw isis do when it took over a series of ancient sites here in iraq showing complete disregard of the value they hold for civilization for humanity's history. isis not just taking over palmyra but also making strategic significant gains in al anbar province with the capture of ramadi. the main front lines are located around an area where there is a military base and it's located right between ramadi and fallujah both under isis control. we spoke to an army commander there. he said they were beefing up their positions in the various towns towards ramadi to ensure that isis can't advance from ramadi to baghdad but they were

still waiting for more reinforcements for additional paramilitary shia fighters. those shia fighters backed by iran controversial but highly effective, also waiting for the campaign to arm the sunni tribes to begin. we additionally spoke to the deputy governor of al anbar province who said at this stage at least the iraqi government is taking anbar seriously. he'd been warning of the fall of ramadi for months. now he says the government is beginning to take action not necessarily because it's worried for anbar but because if those other areas and anbar fall to isis that means the terrorist organization would be at baghdad's doorstep chris. >> arwa thank you very much for the reporting and the analysis. let's bring in now general stanley mcchrystal the former commander of international security forces in afghanistan also the author of the new book "team of teams new rules of engagement for complex world."

now, this book is very valuable because it sets up as a reminder of how the u.s. found success in iraq and afghanistan and at the same time a nod to what we may have to do differently right now. great to have you on "new day." thanks for being with us. as the situation is evolving or devolving depending how you want to put it there's a new call for boots on the ground. governor pataki said yesterday and echoed by lindsey graham and others do you think it's time for a strategy shift? >> i think it's time for a strategy. i'm not sure most americans or people in the world are sure what our strategy is. but the wider issue is who's fighting against isis. you say we are. you say bashar al assad is fighting against them obviously iranians are helping, the government of iraq shia militia, the united states is helping, some of the persian gulf countries are helping, but it's a group of people.

napoleon said when asked the best opponent he said a coalition. >> when you say a team of teams you're talking about an organization in which the relationships between constituent teams resemble those individuals on a single team. explain that. it's like the fingers of the handmade into a fist right? >> exactly. we know the story of the 2004 men's olympic basketball team. best basketball players in the world, a bronze medal outcome. and so if you don't really have common purpose and trust within a small team you can't get there. but when you try to scale a team particularly when you're putting national efforts and opposition groups and all you're breaking down silos across cultural lines, across different equities, fears, personalities. which is really hard, but it's essential. >> so you also say in the book page 32 to win we had to change. now, is that being misapplied in this idea of let's put the best fiegtders in the world, the u.s. men and women, the fighting men and women on the ground have them take out the camps and do strategic attacks and get on the ground and win the battle where

it needs to be won. is that oversimplifying? >> i think it is. it's like building a house. if you bring the greatest plumber in the world and the greatest electrician and greatest carpenter, but if they're not operating on a single blueprint you're not going to get the right house you want. i think that's the challenge here. >> some of the treasure-trove of the attack that wound uptaking down osama bin laden is his insistence osama bin laden's, of saying stop with this we want a state. try to crush our main enemy's power, attack the embassies in north africa. but they're not doing that. isis is obviously not following the advice of the great bad guy who's now gone. what does that tell you? >> to be honest i'm not sure what it tells us because we always expected al qaeda at large and now isis to go after things which would psychologically effect us now to a degree they are they take ramadi but those kinds of attacks around the world that strike our nerves they haven't done near as much of that as we expected and frankly i'm not sure we know why.

>> now there's a big political debate going on here. candidates getting tripped up by would you go to iraq would you not have gone to iraq. that's politics. but this analysis of why we are where we are when you look at the last six years and the strong american desire which is followed through by government to get out of the iraq how big a part of the problem do you see that move as? >> well i think it's certainly part of the problem. but i'm not worried about -- blamed anybody. the key thing is it's the minds of the iraqis and people in the region. what we have done puts thoughts in those minds and they act on those thoughts. afghans were always worried america was going to leave because we left in 1989. i think the iraqis after we left in 2010 now have grave doubts about it. and that effects their behavior. look how the saudis are behaving now. so establishing our credibility over time is essential. >> now, when you look at the situation one of the surprising things in the book is that to me and to many of us covering it it's like i don't know what you're going to do here.

you see a pretty clear through line of what needs to be done. and you see the situation right now as fairly manageable if done the right way. what needs to be done? >> well i do think it's manageable if done the right way. but i didn't say it was easy. building a team of the different gulf states of syria, of iraq and all the different stake holders in this is going to be hard. it takes a broad view and going to take a lotd of work. diplomatic work military work but i think that's essential. i don't think you can get there until you form some kind of an effective coalition with a agreed upon strategic framework. some kind of outcome. where are we trying to get to? if isis disappears tomorrow what do we want the region to look like? and we won't dictate it. that's going to be worked out with all the players. >> one of the lessons that you pull out through the book is about how -- again, it's not just pushing the book this is how we got to a position of what was deemed success. you say they keep changing. they don't change in a way that makes sense conventionally.

it's almost they change through experience in the moment. what did that tell you? and what was the remedy? >> if you look at it isis is the same way. al qaeda was not this centrally controlled brilliant entity. it was just constantly adapting network of associations. that allowed them to just be almost completely adaptable to any area responding whatnot it also defied the ability to go after one or two key leaders or strategic notes and have them collapse. what that tells me is we're in a complex world where traditional almost mechanical approaches to something march armies forward on a map and take terrain is no longer applicable. you've got to have this organically adaptable approach to things. >> do you believe there is the resolve on the part of these people who are fundamental aspects of a successful coalition to do what they need to do to win? do they care enough about anything outside their own borders? do they feel as strongly about extremism as they would need to to have this kind of existential battle? >> that's a great question because right now this is

asymmetric warfare, but it's asymmetric commitment by isis. nobody else has been as committed. so we are going to have to raise that level of resolve for all the players. until we do that somebody like isis who really is focused on what they want very narrowly is going to have a big advantage. >> i mean, a lot of guys in your branch of the world say we saw what happened with jordan that's the way this part of the world is. unless you come and punch them in the nose and they feel there may be another punch coming and they have to stand up for themselves they don't go fight other people's fights. is that the reality? >> i think there's a lot of reality to that. i think people are happy to step back and what happened somewhere else as long as it doesn't effect them. i think america runs into that as well. there's a desire it's over there. but the world's changed. nothing is very far away anymore. so i think we've got to take a much more broad view. >> now, i think it's fair criticism that when we have a big move like ramadi the media can give it a little bit more juice in terms of what it means.

but when you look at it what do you see as a timeframe of how long this will take and how we should see swings like what we're seeing right now? >> yeah. this is new. this is a little different, but remember al qaeda, we fought them for six or eight years to actually beat them down. i think isis is going to take quite a long time. when they control terrain like they do ramadi two things happen. one, they get control and they've got the opportunity to wipe out the people in opposition to them. we talk about the awakening that happened in 2007. there was an earlier awakening that al qaeda slapped down and killed a bunch of people. that made the sunni leaders in the region very very skiddish. that's going to happen again here. and so it's going to tamp down the idea or some of the enthusiasm for people in the region to support their own government. so that's a danger. i think the other thing though is when you have a psychological blow like ramadi two things happen. one, the government of iraq and the whole world is sort of shuddered and we begin to wonder if isis is beatable.

sure they are. it may also like a spring compress people and give a bit more resolve. finally we've got to get very serious. and i think that's the hopeful outcome. >> and you're saying until that coalition is in place don't be so quick to throw u.s. troops in there. that's not the quick remedy. general mcchrystal thanks for the new book and thank you for being on "new day." >> appreciate it. senator rand paul yielding the floor after a more than ten-hour plea to reign in the nsa. congress also up against a deadline on other key legislation. legislators go on holiday recess this afternoon. our chief congressional correspondent dana bash brings us all of this from washington. in fact with rand paul they're talking about filibuster in quotes right, dana? >> that's right. regardless what's technically he certainly made a splash his calling card in the senate and now on the republican presidential campaign trail has

been this issue. what makes him different than any other republican candidate is his staunch opposition to the nsa surveillance program. so with the law governing these secret wiretapping program set to expire june 1st he seized the spotlight by taking the senate floor. >> there comes a time in history of nations when fear and complacency allow power to accumulate and liberty and privacy to suffer. that time is now. and i will not let the patriot act, the most unpatriotic of acts go unchallenged. >> now, rand paul's presidential campaign was not shy about using this as a significant tool. they were raising money off of it. and they used it to energize their base and supporters on social media. people were posting pictures of themselves up against tv screens or watching with ipads with paul's talking on the floor.

now, his office is boasting about the fact that he successfully delayed this wiretapping perhaps until the weekend. that's still to be determined. meanwhile, alisyn there's a whole other very important issue we're going to see on the senate floor later today, a top priority for president obama. and that is trade. there's going to be a key vote on whether they can move forward on the trade bill. he of course says it's critical to helping him make deals that he says will help the u.s. economy. but it could very well be blocked by members of his own party who argue the opposite that free trade hurts american workers. >> so interesting to see in both of these issues people crossing party lines. >> absolutely. >> strange bedfellows dana thanks so much for that. well a major break in the case in that murder mystery of a wealthy washington, d.c. family. new clues leading authorities to identify a suspect who remains at large this morning all thanks to dna left on pizza inside the home. cnn's joe johns is there with the very latest. what are we learning joe? >> reporter: alisyn the details just keep getting worse in this

grisly crime just walking distance from the vice president's house. now authorities are looking for a 34-year-old man with a long record of mostly petty crimes. only this time the charge is murder. a bizarre twist in the brutal quadruple murder-arson mystery in an upscale d.c. neighborhood. police identifying a suspect in the slayings of a prominent ceo, his wife their young son and housekeeper. 34-year-old daron dylon wint now wanted on first-degree murder charges and armed. the break in the case coming not from the grainy surveillance video released by police days ago, but according to "the washington post" from dna found on the crust of a domino's pizza that had been ordered to the house as the victims were being held. 46-year-old savvas a ceo of a company called american iron works, his 47-year-old wife amy,

a washington philanthropist and socialite, their 10-year-old son phillip and their 57-year-old housekeeper all found dead in their mansion that was set on fire. their blue porsche that went missing found ditched in a maryland church parking lot where it was torched. more details of their gruesome murder is now emerging. a source telling cnn the victims were bound with duct tape and held captive by the perpetrators with signs of torture to the youngest victim. meanwhile, "the washington post" reporting that one of the employees came to the mansion and dropped off a package with $40,000 inside. the assailant making off with the cash. the case riddling investigators. hours before the home was torched one of the family's other housekeepers received a bizarre text from amy reading in part i am making sure you do not come today. no motive for the killings has been released but police

believe money was a prime factor. police are asking for the public's help in locating the suspect. they did search his last known address last night. chris. >> all right, joe, thank you for bringing us the latest. we're going to stay on that for sure. we have a cnn exclusive for you. we're the only network allowed to ride along as a u.s. surveillance plane overflew chinese outposts in the contested south china sea. the chinese navy ordered the plane out of the area eight times in english to avoid a "misunderstanding." >> military aircraft this is chinese navy. you are approaching our military alert zone. >> that bit of drama is not the headline. what matters is china is building thousands of acres of manmade islands in the south china sea complete with helipads and fortifications.

jim investigators still combing through the cell phone records of that engineer of the doomed amtrak train. they're trying to match timestamps on brandon bostian's phone. records show calls were made and text messages were sent from the phone that day of the deadly derailment but it remains unclear if he was on the phone during the accident. well folks, it's a wrap. david letterman signing off for the last time after 33 years, more than 6,000 shows on late night. his last show filled with highlights of legendary career and a bevy of stars gathered together for one final top ten list. >> and 6,028 shows and he ran the numbers and he said it works out to about eight minutes of laughter. >> david letterman's final sendoff full of the funny man's self-dep ria kating humor.

presidents past and present ushering letterman into retirement. >> letterman is retiring. >> you're just kidding, right? >> the late-night legend walking on stage one last time to a fitting three-minute standing ovation from a packed ed sullivan theater. then the final all-star top ten. >> it's our friends here at the late show. >> top ten things i've always wanted to say to dave. everyone from jerry seinfeld. >> dave i have no idea what i'll do when you go off the air. you know i just thought of something. i'll be fine. >> to bill murray. >> dave i'll never have the money i owe you. >> i can't tell you how flattering embarrassing and gratifying it has all been. >> reporter: later, a dedication

to his staff. saving his musical sidekick paul shafer as last. >> as good a friend you can have on television, as good a friend you can have in life absolutely a musical genius paul scafer. >> the foo fighters performing dave's favorite "ever long" playing over a montage of the past shows since 1982. the band sang the lyrics if everything could ever feel this real forever, if anything could ever be this good again. >> the only thing i have left to do for the last time on a television program, thank you and good night. >> by the way, letterman's final late show ran some 17 minutes over. of course his replacement stephen colbert launches his show september 8th. i would argue that that final montage with foo fighters was the best i've ever seen. like that was electric.

it was emotional. and i also thought it was more emotional than we might have anticipated. dave style obviously. >> so poignant. always interesting to be a guest at your own funeral. and he got that opportunity to see how much people have appreciated him. >> wouldn't that be nice if we all got that? >> he said save some of this nice stuff for when i actually die. but he's got to figure out what he does now. >> not the face of scientology as he suggested. >> i know. this is in one way the easy part. the success you've had you can own. it's what do you do next. we'll have to see. >> this is the thing, he should enjoy himself. he's got an 11-year-old son at home. >> he's got a lot of years left. >> tweet us, let us know if you caught it and what your favorite moment was. rand paul's senate talk-a-thon, did he accomplish shutting down the patriot act. and our political panel will weigh in on iraq next. it's being called the treasure-trove the documents grabbed from bin laden's compound in 2011. we're learning what is in them. and we're going to tell you ahead.

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senator rand paul followed through with his promise to filibuster a vote on the nsa surveillance program. after ten and a half hours on the senate floor did it work? let's bring in cnn political commentator paul bagala cnn political commentator, kevin madden. >> great to be with you.

>> rand paul did his signature paul-a palooza. let's show you some of those highlights first. >> i will not let the patriot act, the most unpatriotic of acts go unchallenged. no excuse not to debate this and no excuse not to vote. the bulk collection must end. for goodness sakes can't we spend a couple of days trying to amend this? thank you for staying and not throwing things. we'll try not to do this but every couple years or so. >> so paul he was losing his voice there at the end as you could hear. did he accomplish what he wanted to? >> well politically, but not legislatively, right? his effort will not stop a vote from occurring on the patriot act. there is a bill to change it and modify it and amend it but politically perhaps yes. he got attention even though he was competing with david letterman's farewell show.

there is something dramatic and wonderful, it evokes the great frank capper movie mr. smith goes to washington. see a guy on the senate floor for 11 and a half hours, people disagree but admire it. >> except he wasn't mr. smith. his tone i think told the story on this one, kevin. i get why he wanted to do this. it worked last time. i don't know that it worked this time. i think you have real issues to deal with here in balancing privacy and this threat which is evolving all the time and which all of our intelligence people say they're behind if anything. where do you go from here on this? >> you know i still think on the two questions, the two goals he had here which was a policy goal and political goal, i'd say the answer is yes and yes, i think on the policy part there is a bit of strange bedfellows here. i think on the policy side that actually works for rand paul bringing together some conservatives who have a problem with some of the overreach by the nsa and also bringing together some civil libertarian showing this is a concern that

is a broad concern amongst the american public. and then on the political side look there's a base of republicans out there that rand paul wants to appeal to. and that he wants to raise money from through, you know his prospects as a presidential candidate that he probably generated a lot of excitement amongst last night. >> let's talk about something that happened on "new day" yesterday. we had governor pataki on. he's preparing to announce he's going to throw his hat in the ring next week. and he had a bold position on fighting isis. he said it is time to send u.s. ground troops back into iraq to fight isis because he believes that the current strategy is not working. what do you think, paul? >> i think both substantively and politically that's a disaster. 2.5 million americans have served in iraq and afghanistan. the two wars together the last 12 years. 2.5 million. we spent $1.7 trillion. debt will rise to $6 trillion as we care for our veterans as they return.

by the way, over 6,700 have given their lives. if governor pataki looks at that and thinks well the answer is more troops i don't think he's going to get -- he might in the republican party. i don't know that party. but in america he is not going to get a very favorable reaction. it's the last thing american people want is more american troops. contrast that with my gal hillary clinton who said this week she was asked about iraq and she said we will do what we can to help but fundamentally this is an iraqi problem and the iraqi government the iraqi people have to solve it. that's much more where most people are. >> kevin, even though we are seeing a bit of a move back toward the, hey, we might have to get involved over there. i think polls are showing they're not as staunchly against any involvement, do you think playing with boots on the ground is a mistake? >> well look i think so many republicans disagree with the president's approach on combatting isis that so many of these candidates are going to want to draw a starker contrast as possible. and i think that's where someone like george pataki not very well known in the polls right now

wants to make some news wants to draw a contrast with president bush -- i'm sorry, with president obama. so i think that's where that proclamation comes from. >> playing politics though with the troops though? >> so that was my last point which is while we've seen some upticks in public approval for troops on the ground i think it's one thing public opinion it's evolving and it's another thing to say it and whether or not there's going to be a big ground swell of support for candidates who come out with a very robust proposal to do so. >> i mean paul you know hillary clinton's position as you just laid it out as this is an iraq problem doesn't necessarily work if isis you know continues its plan to attack america. >> well first off, they're not attacking america. >> well there are some isis-inspired attacks as we have seen. >> there are. there will always be terrorism and we should always be on guard and we should always do what we can to protect the homeland. but the notion we need to send thousands of more troops.

we have tried that. and the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. the american people are simply not going to stand for a third middle eastern war. my goodness we've tried this. the bush doctrine and i think kevin's freudian slip was telling was invade and conquer and occupy huge nations in the middle east and somehow reform them and they'll be just like wisconsin except maybe milder winters. it hasn't worked. it's been abject failure. the person going to have the hardest time with this is jeb bush because this is his brother's policy on trial. he's been unable to state a position clearly on this. >> but with hillary as one of the architects of the last six years of what we've seen she's going to have to articulate a different strategy as always because what's going on right now is not satisfying many people. >> absolutely. she was asked about it this week i think she gave a very clear answer. >> paul, kevin, thanks so much. this debate obviously continues. great to have you guys. >> great to be with you. >> thanks, alisyn. life after the late show

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big headline this morning, isis taking over the ancient city of palmyra. and syria putting more priceless artifacts and a lot of human life at risk. back in iraq the terror group is continuing its push toward baghdad, firming up its grip on ramadi. the u.s. is responding by rushing 1,000 anti-tank rockets to iraq security forces. this according to the "new york times." kentucky senator rand paul with a 10 and a half hour plea to his colleagues not to extend the nsa's bulk data collection program would require an extension the key provision of the patriot act which paul calls unpatriotic. remains to be seen whether his antics or tactics worked. the nsa program expires june 1st. the chamber could go into recess as soon as today. something caught on video at l.a.x. airport. los angeles police tasing a man right there who would not

cooperate with airport security. the man taking this cell phone video by the way is also interesting. it was actor best known as mini-me in the austin powers movies. this man was told to get on the ground and ignores officers and went up the stairs. the man tased went to the hospital to be checked out. >> what do you do? i mean i always think that these situations really illuminate these decisions these guy haves to make in the moment. men and women. >> yeah you have to stop somebody running through security. that's clear. >> absolutely. all right. you don't want to be the guy who has to tell people over a holiday weekend that the weather's not going to be good. so i hope that's not the situation for meteorologist chad myers this morning. >> yes. i'm afraid if you live in st. louis or chicago you don't want to even listen to this. it's raining all weekend. for you not bad. the northeast pretty good. still showers in texas. still flooding there. the flood watches and warnings

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u.s. intelligence officials releasing a treasure-trove of letters and documents that were seized in the raid on osama bin laden's pakistan compound four years ago. joining us to go through them is peter bergen our cnn national security analyst who's interviewed bin laden and the author of "manhunt the ten-year search." >> good morning, alisyn. >> let's go through what they found in his compound. the first one is about what we now know as isis. and he's talking about them. he says you should ask them to avoid insisting on the formation of an islamic state at the time being but to work on breaking the power of our main enemy by attacking the american embassies in the african countries. this is undated, but it was a letter to his aides. so is he talking about some sort of rift between his philosophy and what would become isis? >> i think he is alisyn. i mean this is one of these examples of something where

there's a very sharp contrast between one wing of the jihadi movement led by bin laden and isis. i mean bin laden in these documents repeatedly says don't try to form an islamic state, we have too many enemies, we're not ready, we can't defend it. concentrate on the far enemy, quote/unquote, the united states. that's responsible for everything going on in the middle east. and isis really has kind of completely opposite point of view. >> peter, it's also interesting to know if he feared being caught or feared being listened to. here is an example of that. this is on august 7, 2010 between bin laden and his aides he says we should assume that the enemy can see these e-mails and only send through e-mail information that can bring no harm if the enemy reads it. it's sort of nice to know that he was afraid of the u.s. watching over this. >> yeah. one of his aides in another e-mail to him said look you should really encrypt your e-mail. in fact he referred to a

particularin particular encryption. they were all very concerned about this issue. rightly so because so many of them were being killed by drones because the united states was listening to their communications. >> peter, here's a fascinating one. and this is a note to his wife. and in it bin laden says it comforts me to hear your news which i have waited for for so long and longed for in years passed. how long i have waited for your departure from iran. you know in some ways this one is the most disturbing because it's so unsettling to think of him as a tender person with a heart. because if he's this tender to his wife why did he murder 3,000 other wives and husbands on september 11th? >> i mean great question. hitler loved his dog. one of the questions people had by releasing these are we humanizing bin laden. of course he's a human and humans do good things and evil

things. in once fear of his life bin laden behaved like a normal human being. in his professional life he murdered a lot of people. >> here's another interesting one, and i wonder about the timing of this one. it's undated. this one was to his wife but he says i think that i have to leave them. he's talking about the compound. i think i have to leave them but it will take a few months to arrange another place. and the question about the timing of this is that is the administration releasing this in some part as a response to seymour hirsch's article that everybody was kind of in on where bin laden was. and this shows a different take. >> they started contemplating releasing these documents back in july. and they started seriously vetting them with seven u.s. intelligence agencies beginning in october. so the article had nothing to do with those decisions. and releasing, you know how big the federal government is and how many people have to sign-off. this is a process that took many many many months. so it's unrelated to si hirsch

article. >> okay. that's good to know. last you can tell a lot about somebody if you read their bookshelf. here are the books found in his compound. obama's wars by bob woodward, a book, hedge moanny or survival america's quest for local dominance. what do you think when you see the books he was read sng. >> you see he had books -- he was kind of a conspiracy buff. he was interested in u.s. foreign policy. he even had a book saying that 9/11 was an inside job, which is ironic since after all he was the instigator of the attack. so, yes, the bookshelf is fascinating. >> the whole thing is fascinating. peter bergen thanks so much for walking through it with us. great to see you. >> thank you. let's get over to michaela. >> all right. we're going to take a look at the impact david letterman's career has had on late-night television. we'll have reaction to the big finale last night coming up

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if you have playdates at your house, be ready to clean up the mess. the kids have fun, but it's pretty gross. [door bell] what's that? it's a swiffer wetjet. i can just grab this and just go right to the mess. that comes from my floor?! oh, that's disgusting. i want friends over. you want friends over?!

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crazy. people have been saying lovely things about us. and it's really been over the top. and i can't tell you how flattering embarrassing and gratifying it has all been. the only thing i have left to do for the last time on a television program, thank you and good night. >> how about that? after a record 6,028 shows and almost 20,000 guests david letterman signed off last night for the last time as host of the late show. he reminisced on that 33-year career on late-night television. friends, celebrities alike bid him farewell. here to discuss it all cnn's host of reliable sources brian stelter and larry hackett. two men stayed up very late and as fresh as daisies. larry, tonally it was on point. the kind of balance of sentiment but also just david being david. >> actually it sort of

reflected his midwestern background. like you said if you were playing your last ball game right? you play the game. you get hits you field, you do what you're supposed to do on the field. that's exactly what dave did. he came out, he did his thing, he had some jokes. it was obviously extraordinary and everybody knew it. he got on base. he got hits he scored. that's what you're supposed to do. >> and there was that huddle kind of thing. >> and it went a little bit over and obviously had all the guests on the top ten which we'll talk about but i thought it was terrific. it was extraordinary in ordinariness to steal your line. >> other than colbert and with all due respect it was cable not this massive audience that dave's been dealing with all these years relatively is there a basis for comparison? who has gotten to go out on their own terms with absolutely no ak ri moanny surrounding them in recent history? >> almost nobody. that's the thing about letterman. every cbs exec said this was his decision. he's always been a famously

private individual. he's only mentioned he's going to the indy 500 this weekend with his family. he's been able to sign-off on his own terms. i was told by members of the studio audience he was in the theater last night during the commercial breaks looking up around the room soaking it in. he said he'll never come back. that's the kind of guy he is. >> let's talk about that top ten list because that was a great moment. so he brought out some of the show's favorite and the biggest stars to each read something about what they always wanted to say to dave. let's listen for a second. >> you know when you wear the same cologne as moammar gadhafi. >> yes, barbara. >> your extensive plastic surgery was a necessity and a mistake. >> so good. >> dave i have no idea what i'll do when you kbogo off the air. you know, i just thought of something. i'll be fine. >> how great was that? they're all so funny.

you can tell he didn't know what they were going to say. >> it was the perfect way to include a lot of a-list celebrities but still make the hour about letterman. it wasn't like colbert where 100 stars came out into the room. they each had their moment but then went through dave. >> he would have those jokes on and they would crack a joke and he really thought it was funny. for 33 years he's still laughing at these jokes. i thought it was wonderful. >> we talked about where letterman was in our lives, i always loved how he is with children. the guy is great with kids. and they did a big portion of that. larry, i know it's one of your favorite moments too. these kids cracked him up. >> they cracked him up. the segment was rather long for the last show. >> it was, considering. >> to pick all the things you can pick for a 32-year show i thought it was fantastic. the ease with which he's with these kids he's so relaxed, he's so naturally affectionate he lets them tell the jokes. he doesn't step on their lines. i thought it was great. i really really thought it was interesting. i wonder -- you notice these

clips tend to be relatively latish in his career. and i think it was something and clearly he's reflected this in discussing his son and how much he enjoys being a dad. it was a real interesting insight into who he is. >> he's also one of those guys who i think kind of gone in today's late-night environment where it wasn't really about him. he was the filter for, right? but he maintained that i wonder what i would do in the situation dave's in right now but it was always about the situation. >> exactly. >> maybe that's the last of that. >> i was about to say old school and sometimes that has a negative connotation, but this has a very positive connotation. you look at set, you look at the people, you look at the classiness and glamour of the late show over the years, that's a special thing in american television. >> there's a scene near the end the camera angle at the floor and he's walking around and has the off colored socks. >> he brought that back. >> the way he ambled about the stage he was so in command. this is my home i'm ready to go and this has been a wonderful sendoff. >> i want to look at twitter. i think we have the ability to pull that up.

we know tributes have been pouring in from comedians and people trending et cetera et cetera. you say that you've been watching some of the kmem tear. >> on twitter and elsewhere still the number one trend this morning. you see here on the letterman account a bunch of celebrities and frankly rivals and other networks all praising letterman and the way he signed off. from what i've seen almost all of the tv critic reviews overnight were positive. because it was letterman in his own way. he wasn't trying to be someone he's not. and he didn't tear up. members of the studio audience teared up. but he didn't tear up. he wasn't quite as emotional as everybody else. >> i bet there's going to be people running down there to take a cell phone picture of the marquee. >> yeah. there were last night already. and i do wonder how long before they take it down. colbert's staff is starting to move in next week. they have to get ready for their september premiere. >> mentioned old school. dave obviously has been aware of show business and what show business means. one of the great old show business acts is leave them wanting more. >> that's a great way to end our segment with both of you. larry, brian, thanks so much.

we'll be remembering all this and talking abt more this morning because guess who's here? oh yeah bill gert godfried is here and we'll talk about letterman's legacy and appearing on the show himself a few times. dave is big news. there's no question about it. but there's a lot of news this morning. let's get right to it. isis militants capturing a strategically important city. >> the ancient city of palmyra. >> it is at the mercy of isis. >> new developments in the quadruple murder mystery. >> authorities are looking for a 34-year-old man with a long record. >> dna left on pizza inside the home. >> the u.s. sees this as international waters. china used these islands as its sovereign territory. >> it appears to be buildup of military infrastructure. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning everyone.

welcome back to your "new day." we do have breaking news overnight for you. isis terrorists gaining new strategic ground in syria taking full control of the historic desert town of palmyra. >> perspective here matters. first it was, well it's just one city ramadi this isn't a reflection of the strategy. now it's two big wins in one week in two different countries. so isis is now in a position to murder large numbers of innocence and destroy irreplaceable parts of the history it so hates. we have complete coverage starting with cnn international correspondent nick paton walsh live in beirut. nick was just inside syria, what's the latest? >> reporter: chris, the deep concern is for now civilians and trapped inside palmyra as isis move through and of course for the historical significance of the ruins in that town. let me start with the people. 100 regime soldiers killed overnight, the key infrastructure military of that town taken by isis. and now we're told by resident they're going door-to-door looking for regime soldiers.

a real sense of horror i think. isis initially being relatively kind we're told but that's how they always work and then their brutal way of life tends to take grip. but the world looking atd palmyra more because of the staggering damage potentially isis could do to those historical treasures dating back to the first century the town palmyra named after the date palms that grow there. it's an oasis in the desert. the romans saw that at the end of their empire. it could well be destroyed. that's what isis do it fits with their general zero vision. i think the world could shortly be losing one of its treasures even now as bloody scenes play out in that town. military significance it's pretty close on the highway towards damascus and that's what isis has in their eyes. chris. >> nick that's one part of the story. we now go across the border and look at iraq. the question there whether baghdad may actually be vulnerable because isis is committing horrific acts of

destruction and moving toward that goal. senior international correspondent arwa damon joins us with the latest from baghdad. up until now, arwa that's been almost a joke to suggest that isis could get that far. but now? >> reporter: now it clearly is a very different situation, chris. because the iraqi government according to the deputy provincial governor of anbar province is finally beginning to take this situation in iraq's sunni heartland seriously. as far back as november officials in ramadi were calling for reinforcements were warning that the provincial capital would fall without them. and then finally following relentless wave after wave of suicide bombers that city did fall. the iraqi forces that were trying to hold out there quite simply could not any longer to try to keep their positions. many of them say would have been suicidal. what is happening right now is that in an area where there is a military base this is located right between fallujah and ramadi both under isis control, there is an attempt to build up

the presence of iraqi security forces there to try to hold onto what little ground they have in al anbar province while they wait for more reinforcements while they wait for these iranian-backed shia paramilitary units, popular mobilization units to appear in significant numbers. while they also wait for the iraqi government to start an effort to arm the sunni tribes. until that happens they will not be able to even begin to push isis back. and the provincial governor was also saying -- the deputy provincial governor was also saying that at this stage the government the central government is taking the situation there seriously because if what little is left of anbar falls to isis the terrorist organization would be right at baghdad's doorstep. and no one can afford to see that happen. >> absolutely arwa. thanks so much for all that background. we want to bring in now our cnn military analyst major general james spider marks. he served in iraq as the senior intelligence officer in combat

for coalition land forces. great to see you this morning. it's been a bad -- >> alisyn good morning. >> it's been a bad week in the fight against isis. first ramadi in iraq now palmyra in syria. does this mean that the u.s. strategy of air strikes is not working? >> alisyn what it means is the united states is employing air strikes as a tactic to try to hold what they have right now. clearly what the united states is looking at is what i would call trading space for time. kind of a slow burn. they are acknowledging, this administration is acknowledging that if baghdad can hold things are okay. there still is an opportunity to resist the advances of isis. and simultaneously it's okay to let things like ramadi fall to let isis advance in certain areas simply because the fact remains the isf, the iraqi security forces are unable to resist this advance. what's going to happen is the

united states probably has what i would call a trigger line. that if additional advances occur proximate to baghdad, the mek, all the shia fighters who are really showing up in combat to bolster the isf. the united states is going to say that's fine. the challenge with that alisyn is this tactical support now leads to a strategic advance where the real relationship that exists in that part of the world is going to be shia dominance, tehran in terms of its very strong relationship with baghdad, which is not what we want to have. but we have this tactical challenge with isis which is real. >> but, spider does that slow burn strategy work? i mean you just heard in arwa damon's report the scenario whereby they could be knocking on baghdad's door? >> yeah i know. it's very very hard. this is the art of the application of force as opposed to the science. it's calling -- it's what we call trading space for time.

in other words, you acknowledge that you have to give up some territory. you prefer not to, but you have to give it up. in return you achieve some time which hopefully the united states can build the iraqi forces up so they can get back into the fight and get this thing going again. that's clearly the strategy right now. and i would tell you within the national security council the discussions are we're okay with what we see now but here are the trigger lines visa vi baghdad and those are not gauchenegotiable. >> there's news crossing the reuters wire but this comes from syrian monitors on the ground. they now believe isis controls half of syria. having gotten palmyra, they believe isis is in control of half of that country. how can that be possible? >> total chaos. well clearly there's -- it's what we have been discussing for months and months alisyn, which is really the collapse of governance in that part of the world.

capitals are not doing what capitals were created to do which is provide for their people provide for security establish markets, health care. let your culture thrive. complete chaos in syria. and clearly we're seeing that in western iraq. that's what's so incredibly troubling. we're really on the doorsteps of the vol canization of iraq and i bet the united states administration may be saying that may be okay that may be half a loaf and we're going to have to be okay with that. we can't afford to let baghdad fall. that's what's most troubling. those are the real hard discussions being had right now. >> as you know there are some u.s. leaders, we just had one on yesterday, governor george pataki going to throw his hat in the ring now calling for ground troops in iraq. they believe that the air strikes are not working. and they believe that there would be a way to do a sort of short surgical strike with ground forces to go in and fight isis. what do you think?

>> alisyn that's very true. again, if you establish the desired instate, which is to have isis crushed, moved back maybe have a smaller pocket u.s. ground forces can make that happen. there's no doubt in my military mind or in yours that that's an achievable goal. the issue is the united states is not established that as the goal. so we're in a situation where we're going to have this slow burn and everybody's going to kind of watch it. it's the new normal. again, it may be okay the united states may be acknowledging that it's okay to have iraq kind of break apart and we hold onto baghdad and everybody ends up with some relative pieces. that's a big challenge. but if that's what the u.s. wants to do that's what happens. >> sure. but when you say this is an achievable goal what do you mean? we could stamp out isis with ground troops? >> ground troops could take care of the problem absolutely. the united states could put ground forces on the ground absolutely and that would occur. i mean that's kind -- >> how many ground troops? >> oh at this point because of the size and the territory you'd

have to start in kind of what we call a teardrop type of scenario where you start in one location achieve success and build out from there. you go to ramadi mosul and reclaim it. very heavy nasty fights. but it can be done. this is america for god's sakes. we can put people on the moon we can do this. it's not in our national interest as defined by this administration. >> 10,000 ground troops is what senator lindsey graham would call for. does that make sense? >> you look at those numbers and go that's kind of sort of a division maybe three brigades. i think for a very limited objective you could do that absolutely. a mix of combat and support efforts. sure that number's as good as anybody else's number. but the issue is is that what the united states wants to do. and those are the discussions we're having right now. >> general spider marks, always great to get your expertise. you help us understand it so much better. thanks so much for being on "new day." >> alisyn thank you. >> over to michaela. there's a major breakthrough this morning in the murder of a family in washington, d.c.

police have now identified a suspect using dna he allegedly left on a pizza crust that was found on the scene. cnn's joe johns is live from there with the very latest for us. joe. >> reporter: good morning, michaela. the details just keep getting worse in this case in northwest washington. and now authorities are looking for a 34-year-old man from maryland with a long record of arrest mostly for petty crimes. only this time the charge is murder. breaking overnight, a bizarre twist in the brutal quadruple murder arson mystery in an upscale d.c. neighborhood. police identifying a suspect in the slayings of a prominent ceo, his wife their young son and housekeeper. 34-year-old daron dylon wint now wanted on first-degree murder charges while armed flt according to law enforcement officials the break in the case coming not from the grainy

surveillance video released by police days ago but according to "the washington post" from dna found on a crust of a domino's pizza. it had been delivered to the house while the family was bound inside. 46-year-old savva, a ceo of a company called american iron works, his 47-year-old wife amy, a washington philanthropist and socialite, their 10-year-old son phillip and their 57-year-old housekeeper all found dead in their mansion that was set on fire. their blue porsche that went missing found ditched in a maryland church parking lot where it was torched. more lored details of their gruesome murder now more telling. a source telling cnn held captive with duct tape and signs of torture to the youngest victim. meanwhile "the washington post" reporting one of the ceo's employees came to the mansion and dropped off a package with $40,000 inside.

the assailant making off with the cash. the case riddling investigators. hours before the home was torched one of the family's other housekeepers received a bizarre text from amy reading in part, i am making sure you do not come today. no motive for the killings has been released but police believe money was a prime factor. police searched the suspect's last known address on wednesday. they are asking for the public's help in locating him, chris. >> all right. joe, we're hearing from investigators now that this starting to betray signs of planning and panic by whoever did it. there are more clues and we're going to track how the authorities got to where we are right now in understanding what started off as a mystery and how that will help them close this case. so stay with us for that. we're also monitoring another situation this morning. crews in california are working around the clock to clean up a massive oil spill along the coast of santa barbara. this happened after an

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all right. police now have a suspect in the murder of a wealthy washington, d.c. family and their housekeeper. authorities reportedly used dna left on a pizza crust to identify suspect daron dylon wint. that's who they're looking for. unfortunately police haven't found him yet. the 34-year-old still at large. there is his picture.

if you are in the area if the face smacks familiar this is the time to step up. bring in senior law enforcement analyst and former nypd detective harry houck. the report about the pizza crust is very interesting. who is the a.p. or reuters? who has that? "the washington post" is who has that. now, assuming it's true that is obviously the big clue. but let's take a few steps back here. this started off as a mystery. they had no idea. how did they start to figure out what this was, harry? >> basically, you know the first thing you do when you go to an investigation they probably had about 20 detectives working on this case. they probably came up with 20 different scenarios and went in 20 different directions and they're looking for evidence inside this location. how they probably got to the pizza boy is when they went in to do the crime scene they saw the pizza there. now, you know the perpetrators are there for 12 hours. now, they're there that long all right, they screw up. they start leaving more and more evidence there because they're there for a long time. they go to the bathroom they eat, they drink.

these guys ordered a domino's pizza. as soon as police saw the pizza there the hairs on the back of their head is going up. >> they believe it's not just one suspect, they believe there's a second. >> right. >> and they say it's a combination of planning and panic. they erased some of the home video camera. >> right. >> they seemed to know how to get in there. and they seemed how to know how to keep these people quiet. >> right. >> but then they panicked and that's where we see the ugly realities of it playing out. to both of us it really reminded us in the worst way of what happened in connecticut with the pettitte family. what are the important distinctions and similarities? >> the pettitte case the law enforcement really screwed up in that case because they actually had a hostage. >> they were there in the moment. >> they had the home surrounded while it was going on. >> while police were outside people were inside being killed. this is a lot different because when police finally arrived there it was over. >> it was all over. you say this is a cautionary tale also because this happens, rich people home invasions by someone they're just making

$40,000 on it. not like they had big designs of taking everything out of their accounts. but what they want is for you guys to do nothing. do everything you can to defeat that like what? >> we have two instances where the police could have been called and the family might be alive today. first the housekeeper coming knocking on the door couldn't get in the house and then gets a phone call from inside the house and he doesn't think something's up here? doesn't hear anything from his wife? and then the man who dropped the $40,000 off. he had to know something was going on there. so two chances to be able to save this family. but probably you know the husband just probably you know listened to the story and thought guess it was okay. even though when they interview him they said he thought something was wrong. what i tell people if they're ever in any kind of an incident like this call the police always. >> don't trust the people -- >> right. don't trust the people telling you not to because you don't know if they're going to get killed or not. here when this incident happened if one of those two called the police this family might be alive today. >> one of the other similarities

is just the barbarism, just the human life here more important the child involved it seemed he was stabbed before he was set on fire. what does that mean? >> well, probably they were trying to torture the kid to try and get the father to give the money up. this shows you how this wasn't as well-planned as they thought they had done it. they didn't know how they were going to get the money. they were just going to get in the house. or they thought maybe there was a large amount of money in the house and there wasn't. now they have to convince the father to somehow get money to them. and that's when they tortured the child. i mean these people were sociopathic animals. and we got to give a pat on the back to washington, d.c. police department because they did an excellent job in this in being able to come up with a suspect this fast in this case. >> maybe two suspects. >> we don't know. >> now, this part is the easy part or hard part in terms of finding this guy? >> well the hard part's done. we got one guy identified. once you identify one guy, if there are others involved in it

we're going to find them. it's most likely some associates of his, maybe people he's been arrested before friends, we're going to go interview everybody, we're going to find this guy. guys like this have really nowhere to go. we might find him in a motel somewhere laying at a friend's house or something like that. but this guy isn't going to go far. and if he's watching this he's getting caught. >> do you think there could be more reach in this situation? the ability to get the $40,000 that quickly and bring it there if the timing holds up the way it is. is there more to this? or do you think it looks like what we see it as now? >> i don't know. there's talk about a connection with father and karate studio he was putting together. everything right now is just conjecture in how they're connected. but there's got to be some kind of connection there. listen they -- >> how fast can you get 40 grand in cash? >> a rich family yeah they've got to go to a bank and get the money. you got to take a couple phone calls, you got to move money around. you know large families like this don't keep cash in the

house. they do everything with a credit card. there's no need for cash anymore. these thieves think they can go into a rich person's home and gelt tens of thousands in cash it's not going to happen because it's not there. >> rich and poor people don't keep their cash like they did when we were growing p. harry, thanks for helping us understand this. worst kind of knowledge to have but we want to see this closed as fast as possible. shouldn't u.s. should send troops back into iraq? that's being debated on how to combat isis. john king has that and much more on inside politics. we live in a world of mobile technology, but it is not the device that is mobile, it is you. real madrid have about 450 million fans. we're trying to give them all the feeling of being at the stadium. the microsoft cloud gives us the scalability to communicate exactly the content that people want to see. it will help people connect to their

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breaking overnight, isis terrorists taking full control of the ancient desert city of palmyra after syrian government forces retreated from the area. it is a key town in the battle for syria. at least 100 syrian troops were killed fighting against isis in and around palmyra. the city is near ancient ruins and temples. officials fear isis could destroy those. we now know the identity of the second marine killed in a military chopper crash in hawaii. lance corporal matthew dieterman died of his injuries tuesday. the 21-year-old was aboard the

osprey. that's corporal joshua barn also died in the crash. two marines remain hospitalized in stable condition. the u.s. and cuba resuming talks in washington this morning with a goal of opening embassies in each other's capitals and re-establishing diplomatic ties. both sides are reporting big progress in closing in on a deal. this is the next chapter in that controversial agreement hammered out between president barack obama and leader raul castro back in december. watch this. this was caught on surveillance video. a bold attack on a jewelry dealer. this happened just outside of a hotel in suburban atlanta. the two would-be robbers pepper spraying the jeweler and his entire family including an elderly woman. but the dealer fought back ripping the shirt off of one of the suspects as you can see there, before both the suspects drove off. the good news is no one in the family seriously hurt. and the robbers did not make off with the loot. >> how about that? >> so just always rip their

clothes off. >> thank goodness they weren't armed. >> you know interesting turn in play here. the wife is the one holding on to the guy at the end. >> uh-huh. >> she gets sprayed too, not to give the man all the credit. he gets in there, sure he rips the shirt off, but the wife. >> yeah i love it. >> the irony that i'm the one making it. >> there you go. >> you two failing to stand up for your girl there in this moment of need. >> we decided we're going to give it to you. >> i took it. what do you think? tweet us. >> i'm sure john king has defense of you. let's turn to him for inside politics. >> or not. >> actually i know you. you're a gentleman, you always have the girl's back. >> come on that was all me. >> i'm going to play here -- >> have a good weekend. >> my take on that was is there anything not caught on camera nowadays? anything at all not caught on camera nowadays? good morning, folks. let's go inside politics. to share their reporting and insight cnn sarah murray let's

start with rand paul's technically not a filibuster but spoke for ten and a half hours yesterday on the senate floor. he does not like the government surveillance program run by the nsa. he hasn't liked it for some time. more note worthy now because he's running for the republican nomination for president. he spoke for ten and a half hours. when he was done one of his fellow rivals for the republican nomination ted cruz came up. they're going to slug it out. they have some differences. but listen to ted cruz. >> his is a voice that this body needs to listen to. i'm entirely in agreement with my friend the senator from kentucky that the federal government should not be collecting the data of millions of law-abiding citizens with no evidentiary basis to do so. now, i will note standing here with the senator from kentucky with the senator from utah at

11:40 p.m. i'm reminded of the blues brothers. >> start with you. >> it's an interesting divide here in the republican party. this started durlgt george w. bush administration. you have cruz and rand paul voicing great skepticism. marco rubio supports linds zi graham likely to -- the government needs these authorities. it's an interesting debate. >> a lot of politics going on here. for rand paul makes a lot of sense because it's distinctive. sets him apart from most of the party. two, plays to millenial voters. young voters the republican party desperately has to have. it takes on the establishment. no voters likes the establishment. very populous move.

what's going on with cruz is interesting because he has to put together a coalition in iowa that has to include some of the ron paul/rand paul base. he's kind of saying i agree with you on these issues. there was a part of paul that i'm sure was saying would you please sit down and shut up. i need these voters. >> not only did ted cruz complement rand he complemented ron. the senator's father was great on these issues. >> i do think, yes, this is partly also appealing to the ron paul base that rand has made some inroads with but sometimes he's changed positions. i think he's lost some of that support. i have to agree with ron that i think he was probably working -- yeah i have to agree with you but i think he was probably looking at ted cruz saying excuse me. this is my moment. that's what the cynical part of me believes rand paul was thinking. >> right. let marco rubio get up and call me an idiot but please don't come out and hug me. rand paul likes this especially with younger votes. it's part of a new security conversation we see playing out.

post 9/11 you showed where new republicans would be. it was a more muscular policy the dick cheney policy marco rubio clearly put his feet in that camp. ted cruz goes back and forth on some of these issues. lindsey graham is in that camp. george pataki on this program yesterday, former governor of new york, we think of him as moderate to more liberal republican. george pataki saying look at the isis threat look at the isis gains, maybe the president of the united states the next commander in chief if the next one won't do it think about ground troops. >> i don't want to see us put in a million soldiers spend ten years, a trillion dollars trying to create a democracy where one hasn't existed. but send in troops destroy their training centers, destroy their recruitment centers, destroy the area where they are looking to plan to attack us here and then get out. and leave a little note behind you come back so will we. >> again, a fascinating, interesting and important substantive divide among the republican candidates. >> right. i think this is really important because you are lengting a

commander and chief. and voters do deserve to hear where people stand on this issue of their line for sending troops in. but it is really highlighting sort of the disarray in the republican party right now to hear some of these people someone not moderate like george pataki saying we need to send troops on the ground there. if you look at the polling right now, americans are pretty evenly split about whether they want to put boots on the ground to fight isis. that's not necessarily true of republicans though. there's a lot more support among republicans to put troops on the ground in this battle. >> governor pataki has said do it. lindsey graham has said do it or at least lean forward toward doing it. santorum and rick perry also saying likely to have to do it. some others have said i don't want to rule it out but let's wait. >> the policy has really shifted on this just in the last week. it's now okay in the republican party to say that the iraq war invasion was a mistake. i think there's something bigger going on here. i think americans are realizing we have to have a real debate about what we're going to do. are we really going to put troops back in and ask more of such a small percentage of us?

if we really are going to double down in iraq, we really are going to double down in the middle east and have another ground war, do we need to look at something like a draft? i mean we really over deploying these men and women six, seven, eight times over there. they're coming back physically and mentally incapacitated. it's incredible what they've done. do we keep asking them to go back or do we ask more of all of us. >> it's interesting you point that out because jeb bush was actually in iowa and he was doing a private fundraiser and he was asked should we reconsider a draft and at that point he said no but i think it's interesting something people are asking about and thinking about in places like iowa. >> it's easy to call for ground troops when we don't have skin in the game. >> whether you support it or post iraq or support post afghanistan think about the legacy issues multiple deployments, strain on the families think about everything not just the issue in front of

you the generational challenge. one other quick issue, the president of the united states in a commencement address at the coast guard academy wanted to talk about what he calls critical national security challenge, climate change. listen to the president and jeb bush disagree. >> i know there are still some folks back in washington who refuse to admit that climate change is real. the science is indisputable. the planet is getting warmer. >> i don't think the science is clear of what percentage is manmade and what percentage is natural. it's convoluted. >> again, another big important issue. if we can stick to the issues in this campaign that's now beginning -- i was going to call the next campaign it is here. president obama's not on the ballot but he's going to keep pushing climate change and we're going to see debate among the republicans and democrats over what to do. >> yeah i mean surprise republicans don't agree with president obama over climate change. i don't think you're going to see a lot of republican candidates for president coming out and saying they really want to talk about climate change and

their efforts here. we've heard jeb bush talk a little bit about green energy. but the fact is this is not really a winning issue in the republican party. >> i'll give jeb bush it was interesting what he did there, he didn't deny the science he didn't deny the fact and it is a fact that we have climate change manmade. he wanted to debate over what the percentage is. he left himself space to have a real debate over how do we do this do we draw down co2s or go after -- >> interesting place. and we'll watch how it plays out when we get to the wonderful things called the republican debates and we'll move on from there. alisyn substance. a lot of big issues in this campaign war and peace, climate, environment, going to be fun. >> those are substantial. john thanks for watching it all for us. a standoff in the sky as the u.s. refuses to back down from china's repeated warnings in a cnn exclusive we will explain why the u.s. is increasingly concerned about china's military buildup in the south china sea.

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now to a cnn exclusive for you. a u.s. surveillance plane above contested waters in the south

china sea ordered to evacuate the area by the chinese navy. this comes above these manmade islands where the chinese military buildup is causing alarm. now, one former cia official says he's concerned about the risk of war. cnn's jim schutto was on that surveillance fliegtd and joins us with more. >> reporter: i'll tell you this is when an irresistible force meets an immovable object. the u.s. sees this as international waters international air space. china views these islands though they're brand new and just manufactured them as sovereign territory. and chinese protests only getting bolder and u.s. military action getting bolder as well. it's hard to see how the tension here doesn't escalate even further. it's a standoff in the skies between china and the u.s. as beijing makes a massive and unprecedented land grab 600 miles from its coast.

>> so when is the last time you went up? >> reporter: cnn got exclusive access to classified u.s. surveillance flights over the islands. first time journalists have been allowed on an operational mission by a state-of-the-art poseidon. >> we just arrived on station now above the three islands that are the targets of today's mission. it's these three islands that have been the focus of china's building in the south china sea over recent years. in just two years china has expanded these islands by 2,000 acres, the equivalent of 1,500 football fields and counting. you're a military man. you look at this. is there any doubt that that is a future military installation? >> it appears to be buildup of military infrastructure. >> reporter: for china this new territory is nonnegotiable. china's foreign minister calls his country's commitment unshakable. and china defends the new islands closely, patrolling with coast guard and navy warships and ordering the p-8 out of the

air space eight times on this one mission alone. >> please go. >> i'm united states military aircraft. i am operating with due regard as required under international law. >> reporter: chinese military sometimes shows its frustration. >> foreign military aircraft this is chinese navy. you are approaching our military alert zone. leave immediately. >> reporter: the standoff is military to military but civilian aircraft can be caught in the middle. you heard over the intercom chinese navy this is the chinese navy. what was interesting is that there are also civilian aircraft there was a delta flight on that same frequency when it heard that challenge it piped into the frequency to say what's going on. the chinese navy then reassuring them. but as the flight crew tells me that can be a very nerve racking experience for civilian aircraft in the area. five southeast asian nations claim parts of this area as their own. china says this territory is

part of their history claiming ownership back 2,000 years. >> we don't recognize that as anything to do with in accordance with international law. >> reporter: but many see economic and military motives as well. the islands are rich in oil and gas deposits. and they extend china's naval and air presence challenging u.s. naval supremacy in the region. you know when you look at these islands from the air and through those surveillance cameras, you see the airstrips, you see military barracks you see roads, you see china making deep water harbors there to accommodate its navy ships. they look very much like permanent military installations. and as you see that it's hard to see even with greater u.s. military action there, bolder u.s. military action how china backs down. back to you in new york. >> boy. >> fascinating. >> good on jimmy for getting out there. not an easy not a safe situation. but it really brought home the story of what's developing

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isis now fully in control of the ancient city. >> let's hope this will not be destroyed. >> now it's at the mercy of isis. >> the u.s. government released what it calls bin laden's book shelf. >> his online library contained 40 books in english. >> he was a loving father and husband and at the same time he was a mass murderer. the last time on this television program, thank you and good night. >> this is "new day," with chris

cuomo, and alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> welcome to "new day." it's 8:00 in the east. we have breaking news to tell you about. overnight isis taking full control of the ancient city of pal meira. it's the second strategically important city seized this week by the terrorists. >> now calls to send u.s. combat troops to the region. nick what did you see? >> reporter: alisyn talking about this specifically where we went yesterday, it's the historical ruins, and there are suggestions local residents they

are trying to be friendly may not be happy with that level of destruction, and these ruins that backed the first century a.d. it was known as an oasis, and the roman empire had culture, and there is a much more immediate threat to those living in that city and 100 soldiers died overnight as isis swept in and taking the airport and prison and now going from door to door looking for regime soldiers, and at first, friendly with the locals and then they try to weed out who they think was loyalists to the government in the past. this is going to give them a good direct approach on damascus and key regime strong holds, too. this is the first time we have

seen isis turn their guns on the regime, and that's key as well. >> the video is in incredible as is your reporting. thank you so much for that. as isis takes more territory, and they could gain the upper hand in more strategic hands. >> don't count on the obama administration going down the boots on the ground road. and officials are letting it be known behind the scenes how concerned they are, and they are not signing up to the notion that isis is on the defensive as as many of the pentagoners are saying. and they are laying out the issues and could there be a tipping point where isis would gain the strategic hand and baghdad the top concern. isis has not moved out of the sunni dominated areas, and if

they run for baghdad which is shia dominated, and the u.s. could not let baghdad fall. look at the map, the areas of isis is beginning to control or does control, and baghdad being watched very carefully. ramadi if the shia militias go back into ramadi would isis provoke a bloodbath in that area and that could be another tipping point that concerns them. back in syria, assad, you know the moderate militias in syria recently made some gains against assad, and that means that open space for isis and all of this getting a lot of attention because the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff made unusual remarks about ramadi and i want to read it to you, and democracy talking about how the iraqis left ramadi the other day, and he said quote, the isf was not driven out of ramadi they drove out of ramadi.

democracy's remarks are getting a lot of attention, and he is suggesting the isf basically made the decision itself to leave ramadi and that there was not enough air power to help them because of a sand storm that a lot of people say may not have really happened. a lot of mixed messages here in washington. >> that's the perfect line barbara, because people are saying what is the message and strategy and what makes sense in iraq? let's engage that with somebody that knows how to answer those questions, george mitchell and served as the special envoy for the middle east peace. thank you very much senator, for joining us. we are sorry to interrupt what looks like to be your fly-fishing there on the out cropings of the main shore lane. let's deal with iraq senator. the situation right now is coaxing people in the republican party to say it's time to

reinvest u.s. lives in this and put them on the ground and let them make strategic missions and that's the way to beat isis. do you agree, sir? >> no i don't. american forces injected into syria now would become the target of the two opposing forces both of which we oppose in the complexity and contradictory fighting that is going on in the middle east and two issues stand out. first, this is part of an historic 1400-year fight, and isis has made gains only in the areas that are sunni dominated, and they she it has shia dominated, and it's unlikely isis will be able to extend beyond those areas. in syria, when they make gains,

they are making them against the assad regime, and the u.s. also opposed, and so it's complex and it's very difficult, but i don't think the answer is more american troops. we're just getting out of a 12-year war in iraq, and a 14-year war in afghanistan, and the last thing we need to do is to plunge into what would be a contest in syria. >> the question senator, and while i ask you this question i will make it extra long so the crew can work on your microphone because it's taking some hits and let them do it for you, senator. we are just getting out of the war in iraq and afghanistan. we understand that. however, that is also a point of criticism right now, senator, because they say it's the fact that you are getting out of iraq the last six years, that you bailed out to make good on a campaign promise from president obama, then senator president obama in the race, and it's

because you left afghanistan that we now have the problems we are seeing with isis. is that fair criticism, that it was not going into the areas that was the problem, but leaving them? >> no the real crucial mistake was the sideline of the iraqi army there by creating a natural pool of what is now isis. that was the critical decision. the second problem, frankly, there is not a shred of evidence if you stay two or four more years, it would be different at the time we left then. if you go back in history, 95 years ago the same happened when the british were dominating iraq. it's really a mistake to think that the united states can somehow militarily control every event in the middle east. >> as we all know afghanistan is also called the graveyard of

empires because people have gone in there and not been able to occupy or change and have to leave defeated. and in your book "the negotiator" plays on this and your piece in the boston globe says that iran strikes the right balance, and that's going to be controversial because the spin on the iran talks is either you are over indulging iran and sanctions are the only thing you have and once you give them up you empower iran to do what they say they are not going to do and why do you believe what is going on with iran right now is presented as the right balance? >> like i thought, senator, you have nothing to say -- no the microphone has gone out on senator george mitchell. i don't want to torture you

would bad communications anymore, senator, and we will pick up this another day when we get the communications right, and the book is called "the negotiator." other news for you, the clock is ticking as the senate continues weather to extend provisions of the patriot act. a vote could come today following another epic floor speech from rand paul more than ten hours railing against the nsa? dana bash joins us from wash with the latest. >> the answer to that is likely no but that probably was not his goal and it was to use one of the perks that you have if you are running for president as a sitting u.s. senator, and that's the stage of the united states senate floor, and rand paul used it to his advantage

big-time. listen to part of it. >> there needs to be a thorough debate a thorough and complete debate about whether or not we should allow our government to collect all of our phone records all of the time. >> most of rand paul's gop presidential opponents disagree with the position saying wiretap something a critical tool that outweighs civil liberties intrusions and rand paul is going for a specific libertarian wing of the republican party that backs him big-time on this and he used what his aides are calling a significant energizing tool, and they raised money off of it and so forth, but this is swrus one drama to play out into the night, and alisyn there will be another one this morning on the key vote a key vote on the

trade deal that obama says it will help the u.s. economy. it may not pass. why? because of opposition within the democratic ranks, and they say trade agreements hurt american workers. >> did the paulit work, is there going to be time to vote on it or not? >> unlikely. if rand paul continues to use the tool he has, he can do that until maybe next week. you know my experience when the lure of recess is coming which is what is happening in the senate tomorrow and memorial day is this weekend and they are off next week, and sometimes agreements magically happen and we will see if that happens in this case. regardless it does not seem that ultimately he has the votes to overcome this it's just a question of how long he wants to make his point, and, you know kind of drag it out.

>> the lure of recess from third grade to the u.s. capitol, we know it well. there is a major break in the case of the mysterious murder of a wealthy washington, d.c. family. authorities identifying a suspect through an unusual clue. let's get to joe johns live at the scene with the latest. what do we know joe? >> reporter: the manhunt is on for a 34-year-old man from maryland accused in the grisly murders. authorities are asking for help in trying to locate this man. breaking overnight, a bizarre twist in the brute wrul murder and arson mystery in an upscale d.c. neighborhood. police identifying a suspect in the slayings of a prominent ceo, his wife and their young son and their housekeeper. the 34-year-old now wanted on first-degree murder charges. the break in the case coming not

from the surveillance video released by police days ago, but from dna found on the crust of a dominos pizza that had been delivered to the house while the family was bound inside. a ceo of a company called american iron works, his 47-year-old wife amy, a washington philanthropist and socialite, and their son and their 57-year-old housekeeper all found dead in their mansion that was set on fire, and their blue porsche that went missing found ditched in a church parking lot where it was torched, and a source telling cnn the victims were bound with duct cape and held captive by the perpetrators. and one of the employees came to the mansion and dropped off a

package with $40,000 inside. the assailant making off with the cash. the case riddling investigators, and hours before the home was torched one of the other house keepers received a bizarre text from amy reading in part i am making sure you do not come today. no motive for the killings have been released but police believe money was a prime factor. >> daron has a long list of charges on his record, and the car was found in the county with daron had listed as his last address. and then a state of emergency in santa barbara county. nine miles across a scenic stretch of the coast have been

impacted. let's bring in paul who is in santa pwraur raw with the latest. what do you know? >> this had been a memorial weekend, when people not only from california but the united states and the world planned on coming to the beach to enjoy it and its pristine beauty, and those plans ruined as this beach shut down by the crud spill, and another beach also shut down and the owner of the pipeline that ruptured the environmental defense center among the activist groups questioning why there was not some sort of automatic shutdown and many are saddened by this and in the crosshairs of the epa and justice department at one point back in 2010 plains paid out more than $40 million in a settlement to upgrade pipeline and because of penalties, and this was in connection with ten

spills in kansas, and oklahoma texas, and louisiana. when the sun comes up here later in the day, we will see those workers and the white suits and the yellow bootees literally getting down on their hands and knees in the beach and raking together and scooping up the tar balls that you will be able to see here. again, dramatic changes here for the memorial weekend, for all these people that planned to enjoy california it has robbed its beauty. >> >> the impact sure to be felt. and then trying to match time stamps on brandon bostian's phone with other data sources like cell towers. evidence does show calls were made and text messages were sent that faithful day and it's unclear if the phone was in use

when the train actually derailed. david letterman went out like the understated man that he is signing off last night for the final time after 33 years on late night television. a host and he had all the alisters around and they did the one last top ten list. take a listen. >> i'm just glad your show is being given to another white guy. >> thanks for letting me take part in a hugely disappointing finale. >> thanks for finally proving men can be funny. >> dave, i will never have the money i owe you. >> hearing dave letterman chime in oh, no. >> a shot of his wife and son. so great.

>> a round of applause for them. >> that's great. >> the interesting pieces are yet to be written as what has changed and what is no longer the same for better and worse. perspective is what the story is all about. we will bring in somebody that knows dave as a performer and friend. you know this guy. gilbert godfried. next we have a top lawmaker coming up. but you're not doing anything right now. lily? he's right. sign up, and you could earn plenti points just for being a wireless customer. in the meantime, i just kick back and watch the points roll in. where did you get those noodles? at&t cafeteria. you mean the break room... at&t - the only wireless carrier to be a part of plenti a rewards program that lets you earn

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this speech did it work? will congress let the patriot act lapse? >> time will tell what congress does with this but i do think the american people owe a debt of grad taod by senator paul. the american people are not comfortable having the federal government have details on their lives. >> the supporters say this is not intimate details and they are not listening in on their calls and it's a time stamp that says when a phone call was made and to what phone number and that's not a intimate phone call? >> as i explain in my book that came out a weeks ago called "our lost constitution" i devote a chapter to this subject.

when put togethering in a database with similar details about every american stretching back five years at a time will paint a pretty accurate portrait of every american. this is vulnerable to abuse. i am willing to assume the people working at the nsa right now have nothing but our best interests at heart, and it won't always be that way. >> there's a whole bunch of counterterrorism experts that say that program has kept the u.s. safe and it has actually thwarted a series of attacks here and abroad. >> i am not proposing that we do away with the nsa, and i am not proposing that we do away with the nsa's ability to track phone numbers connected to another phone number believed to be involved in some type of terrorists ring. what i am saying is the nsa

should not the go out and tell the phone companies, send us all your data on everything and this bulk collection is similar to what we fought against at the time of the american revolution. >> how are they supposed to figure out who is calling whom? how do they get a random hit from a number that might not have been on their radar yet? >> i am the sponsor with another senator, and we put together a bill that comes up with a solution for that. when the nsa identifies the phone number that it believes is srofld in a terrorists activity it can go to each of the telephone companies and identify calls made to or from those numbers, and they can collect that data and analyze that.

they can get the benefit of what they are now doing without having to amass a database that includes everybody. >> do you dispute mike rogers who was the chairman of the house intelligence committee that says it's that bulk data collection it stopped 54 attacks, thwarted them worldwide, including here in the u.s. do you dispute that? >> he has access to more information than i do and i am not ready to dispute that. my point is there are not good people at the nsa who do good things every day to proteblgt us, and my point is we can do better and do more to protect the privacy of the american people. this is an issue that is republican or democratic or liberal or conservative and it's a american issue and constitutional issue. >> do you know any examples of innocent americans that have

been caught up in this program? >> there have been documented abuses by the nsa, and it's only a matter of time before such abuses could occur. when you create a database that is so vulnerable to abuse and manipulation we have to put rules in place to safeguard the american people against that abuse. >> senator, what is going to happen? is your usa freedom act going to be voted on? >> i certainly hope so and it needs to be and we need to bring it to the floor, and we need to allow our members, democrats and republicans alike, to put forward amendments they might propose. i think that gives us the best possible chance to make americans safe. >> senator, thank you so much for explaining your perspective to all of this and nice to have you on "new day." >> thank you.

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the five things to know for your "new day." isis seizing a city and lives and priceless artifacts at risk. back here at home senator rand paul took to the senate floor for more than ten hours imploring his colleagues not to renew the precisionsauovisions of a patriot act. the "washington post" reports authorities found dna on a pizza crust inside the home, and his whereabouts are unknown. crews in california cleaning up after a massive crude oil spill

along the coast of santa barbara, and 105 gallons of oil may have been released. david letterman saying good-bye and saying good-bye to everybody on his show, and an a-list of stars delivering his final top ten list. for more on the five things to know go to newdaycnnkaupl.com for the latest. skin protection is something you have to think about. chief business correspondent, christine romans, is here with shocking information. >> sun protection is big business, and yet most americans can't be bothered with sun screen. according to a new study, men, chris cuomo are the worst offenders.

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osama bin laden's private letters being made public, and hundreds of documents provide a look into the al qaeda leader's focus on the intense relationship with the group that would become isis pfp. let's start with this letter that osama bin laden wrote to one of his aides and it talks about the beginning of isis and he said you should ask them to avoid on insisting of the formation of an islamic state, and attack the american

embassies in the african countries. you see a divide in the philosophy already? >> always a divide between al qaeda now known as isis. bin laden by the late 1990s was known as an advocate of the far enemy school of thinking which was to say go after the great infidel super power, the united states and don't bother hitting the regimes and the so-called near enemy, the government of jordan, iraq, whatever. al qaeda's abiding philosophy or strategy don't just conquer terrain and set up shop as a governing body, and recruit muslims and do the social out reach programs and you have to sway the population over to your side. counter pose that with what isis does today, and they blow into a

territory or town and conquer it, and force people to submit to their rule. >> let's look at the timeline that helps to explain how all of this evolved. back to 1999 this is zarqawi, and this is bin laden. were they allies or enemies? >> this took place in kandahar in 1999, and zarqawi went to meet bin laden and they hated each other from the start, and he was very arrogant and pwrarb and had his own ways, and he wanted to go after the jordanian government. the second reason they didn't get along, zarqawi just wanted to kill all of the shia muslims and he considered them to be an illegitimate house of islam, and that upset bin laden because his

mother was within a shia islam, and the importance of that aspect of the an tagnism was shown in 2004 and 2005, and zarqawi was advocating genocide against the shia. and then bin laden was now seen to be attacking fellow muslims so it was very dire and he was upset about that. >> you know a lot about this. >> it's hard to think about him as the modern jihadi but today it's certainly the case. >> this was written by an aide to bin laden. he says god willing will we request information about abu bakr al baghdadi and his deputy and we will ask the brothers and others to get a picture, and god willing we will continue our efforts towards unity. they are looking for unity, but then you see, again, a separation? >> the seeds of the divorce between al qaeda and isis and

this is around 2010 and baghdadi the hurpbt leader of isis takes over the thrown. what is interesting, al qaeda and iraq went through a process, and what started out as a foreign fighter-led phenomenon egyptians and saudis and they were dominated by native iraqis. and the fact that the head of al qaeda, remember the patriot, the supervisory organization to al qaeda and iraq didn't know the new amir of their own franchise, and that tells you everything you need to know about that divorce, and it was already taking place while they were still nominal allies. >> let's see if i can get this to work. technology is sometimes not my friend. in 2011 bin laden is killed and then does this open the way for

baghdadi to go into syria? >> baghdadi dispatched agents into ramadan in 2011, and one of which eventually a few months later established the al qaeda franchise or the al qaeda and iraq franchise. the problem is global al qaeda wanted that to be a separate entity to what was known as the islamic state of iraq, and baghdadi didn't believe in nation states or these false designations and he wanted to merge the two. isis which was the islamic state of iraq essentially was his power play against al qaeda to say we don't care what you think anymore, i am rung the show here. >> you have a few seconds. do you believe the news reports today, reuters is reporting isis is in control of half of syria? >> i would say they have firm control of more than one-third of syria, and there are

ungoverned areas that they have sway and i think they are controlling it is a bit of an overstatement. something different. men are calling this the end of an era. david letterman shining off as host of the late show last night. and gilbert gottfried is here. good morning, dear. we will talk to him about letterman's legacy and so much more. and what those acids can do to the enamel. there's only so much enamel on a tooth, and everybody needs to do something about it now if they want to preserve their teeth. i recommend pronamel because it helps strengthen the tooth and makes it more resistant to acid breakdown. we want to be healthy and strong through the course of our life and by using pronamel every day, just simply using it as your toothpaste, you know you will have that peace of mind.

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paul and i have been doing the show 33 years, and that's 6,028 shows. earlier today we got a call from steven hawking. he bless his heart, he had done the math because he is a genius and stuff, and 6,028 shows, and he ran the numbers and he said it works out to about eight minutes of laughter. >> way more than eight minutes after a record number of shows. he signed off for the late night show for the last time. comedian gilbert gottfried here with us, and you wrote a great op ed about his experience with

him, and to be invited back. >> this is very odd. letterman is still alive, right? usually i get invited to cnn to talk about -- now, they were a friend of yours, and they are dead now, right? well sadly, miss the passing of david letterman -- >> we talked about it earlier, he got a chance to be a guest at his own funeral and got to see what everybody would say about him last night. >> yeah yeah, that's the greatest thing in the world to be dead -- >> to be alive, right. >> yeah i like you better with the new 'do. >> oh, skwraezgees. >> that's when i was still with the jackson 5. oh wow. >> what made it different going

on with dave? >> i always liked -- what i liked about letterman was there was always like kind of a nasty under current with him. what i remember is one time seeing a little kid on the show with an invention, and the little kid was there with glasses and an awkward-looking kid, and the kid was going, i invented this disspencer because grandpa was missing his medication, and letterman goes and it seems like he is not the only one in the family missing mismedication. i thought, if you could be on there insulting a little kid, then i am a fan. >> we have been talking, and it makes it sound like we are speaking at his funeral and it such a weird thing, and we were talking about how much he meant to the night owls and people

like us that watched him, but he had a different place in the world of comedians. every comedian is talking about how much they were influenced or benefited from his generosity? >> yeah well he never -- he's never been that generation never lent me money, and has not been paying my rent. he did have me on all those times, and that was great exposure when i would be on letter machine. >> you said he was mean that miss chiefious. >> he could definitely zing you. that's what made him fun to

watch. >> it is romanticizing, what made him unique that is not out there anymore? >> yeah what is so strange now is that one time the most important news items were like letterman, leno and conan, and i don't know what channel conan is on right now. >> we can't laugh at that. he is on the turner show. >> oh, well it's the biggest show on the air. yes. you know they have been spelling my name wrong on cnn. >> glad we caught that. >> they were scrambling in the control room and they are freaking out on google. >> how is that? >> two "t"s. >> yeah i told him, it's not

with a "d." president lincoln has been shot. >> injury gottfried, everybody loves him. >> you sat on that couch and have been there to see the whole show take place. >> i recorded it. i didn't watch the whole thing yet. you know knowing about something has never stopped me from talking about it. hey, did you hear there was a big flood in india? no but i will talk about it. i will be on the air. fine. >> perfect table guests. >> do you think he did it right last night? >> yeah yeah. i thought letterman always had a nice touch of both and he could be sensitive at times, and he

didn't get carried away with that, or very little but then other times there would be that -- the nastiness that i liked. >> what do you remember most about your appearances on there? >> oh, god, i just remember i would go on and i would, like do a set, and there was a great crowd and he would be a great host, and then i would sit down on the panel with him. it was not like -- >> a very vivid memory you have there. >> yeah. there was a camera. >> really stuck with you. >> i think i was wearing a blue jacket. i had pants on as i remember. >> a big day. >> i did have shoes at the time. letterman, um he had hair. >> so did you. >> easy.

>> i think there was cheese and crackers backstage. >> the tributes were paid and the folks at home were tweeting and tell us your favorite moments as well. >> he is killing himself. >> yeah fantastic. >> post your comments on facebook. >> i think dave had a cup of coffee before he went on. >> gilbert gottfried, finally spelled right on cnn. >> he may have put cream in it if in fact he was having coffee which he may not have been. >> we will have more good stuff next. why did a panel of 11 automotive experts name the volkswagen golf motor trend's 2015 car of the year? we'll give you four good reasons. the volkswagen golf. starting at $19,295, there's an award-winning golf for

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goes the full length 60 grand to get the car and he gives it to tanner and the charity goes to the concern of police survivors. >> you got something to say, gilbert? >> that's the scary thing with me. you had me sitting here and you have given me stories about a guy that dies and a blind girl and it's like i am going, oh, boy -- >> we were testing you. >> how many jobs am i going to lose now? >> can you just read what is in the prompter there? >> the time for news -- >> room. >> the time for "newsroom" with -- now, she doesn't mind if we start on time. >> no she has got nothing but time. >> yeah let me make