sorry we didn't get to the jenner story. good night. good evening thanks for watching. we begin tonight with breaking news with a story that has not stopped providing evidence and a shooting outside a cvs pharmacy in a boston neighborhood. the authorities suspected he'd been adicalized by isis and then he was plotting to kill local police officers and today we learn that he intended to behead a activist and that is far from

the only development tonight. >> reporter: police say he pulled a military style knife on him and that's why they shot and killed usaama he posed threat to law enforcement even before the deadly encounter in a cvs parking lot. he had recently purchased three military knives and a sharpner on the internet. weapons to be used prosecutors believe, to behead an unnamed target but over time authorities say the plan changed. he sends a tex toott to an associate, i can't wait that long i can't wait that long man. i'm going to be in vacation in massachusetts, i'm just going to go after them those boys in blue because it's the easiest target and the most common is

the easiest for me. and boys in blue an obvious reference to law enforcement. those messages sent police say, to 25-year-old david write now charges with conspiracy and attempting to destroy justice by destroying a cell phone. they spent hours searching his everett home and searching a rhode island home. they said it's related to the investigation but haven't said how. but police are now explaining why they took action against a man they have been watching. >> we never anticipated what his reaction would be. and that he would pull out, obviously, a military knife. at that point, the video clearly shows these four or five officers back tracking away from the suspect as he's coming

at them. >> reporter: surveillance video hasn't been shown to the public. instead, civil rights and islamic community members were allowed to come and view it in an effort to clear up information after his brother posted that usaama had been shot three times the back. >> based on the video that we saw, i would 100% collaborate what the commissioner just said. there was an approach the su suspect to talk to them and then there were things that went down as you already know. >> and joining us from boston. i know you just spoke to people who knew this guy rahim. what are they all saying about this? >> reporter: we're told he was

living with his mother a nurse, and two of his brothers. i've spoken to two who said they've known him since he was a young boy and describe him as being observant and that the family was devout and they have no recollection of him ever ex expressing any ideas that they believe were radical and authorities had reason to believe they had reason to think otherwise. they were following the man for years before this encounter. >> and the alleged target list was not limited to the boston area nor law enforcement. and what do you know about that? >> reporter: well this is what we're learning from law enforcement officials, that the activist pamela geller was the target of this beheading plot, among ruahim and david wright and the three met on the beach in

rhode island just this past sunday to discuss this beheading plot and behead pamela geller and then we learned that yesterday morning, rahim changed his mind and said he didn't want to wait anymore and wanted to kill police officers. now, we did reach out to pamela geller and she said she'd not heard about this threat and she's been the subject of many threats because she is the woman, as we know organized the muhammad cartoon event where there was an attempted terrorist attack. and she said she hadn't heard about this one but that this is a show down for american freedom. >> is there any information that he wanted to behead the police officers that he was confronted by in boston? >> reporter: there isn't necessarily concrete evidence to

prove that he wanted to behead the police officers but basically the investigators believe that he may have wanted to do that because he had that military style knife and allegedly wanted to behead geller and he's a member of isis who have used this tactic against others. so i think investigators believe that but at this stage in the investigation, there isn't concrete evidence to prove that this is what he wanted to do. >> and currently teaches at harvard kennedy school of government and also a cnn national security analyst and good to see you both. so bob, the fact that this suspect wanted to behead somebody, it has to be especially troubling to law enforcement. >> exactly, anderson. with a knife like that you can take down a police officer. you attack from the back in

their cars. any number of ways they're easy to get, they're not registered. low technology is an islamic state tactic and don't forget the propaganda value of killing a police officer would be enormous in this country. so this was, for them a very important attack. and they don't mind the attacker dying in this it's an act of martyrdom. >> it is really interesting, juliet because in some ways as bob was saying, low tech a very simple kind of attack but the kind of repercussions of it would be huge. we saw this in the united kingdom when a british soldier was killed, pretty much beheaded on the streets by attackers who were then videotaped right afterwards talking to a video camera. >> that's exactly right. look this kind of terrorism is really looking for convenience

and amplifying their message and killing a cop or beheading a cop is clearly what they had in mind. in fact the affidavit probably make it more clear to which the extent to which a beheading was part of a plan. they sort of mimic what occurs in the isis videos. and so for me looking at this on the outside, also explains - why there was so much immediatacy monday and tuesday to approach rahim. that on sunday they heard the guys on the beach say we can't wait any longer and then they heard tuesday or wednesday is going to be the date. and now things make sense as far as the timology. >> and in terms of a kind of following that would have been done on this person -- they said

he'd been under surveillance for a long period of time. >> right. surveillance is always going to be over inclusive. so there are hundreds if not thousands, depending on what task force you're talking about. you can start these investigations with a lot information than you would need for an indictment. and what we don't know is what pieces of information they had that would have led them to really focus on rahim with 24-7 surveillance. because as bob and i were saying it's rare it's high resource you're take people away from other investigations. so they were worried, as they rightly should be of an imminent attack that would. >> and we've seen several in the last couple months. some have just been disturbed

individuals, some may have been more than that. do you believe this kind of an attack in the united states is inevitable? >> anderson i do think it's inevitable. you have to look that conflict in the middle east. we are held responsible for the violence in iraq. and as well as syria, in yemen as well. the sunni community is under seesh siege and you find these loan wolves who don't have direct contact with the islamic state but its an existential threat to them and they use violence against police officers or pamela geller and we're seeing more and more of this every day and it's inevitable that one of these guys is going to stay off the radar and manage to hurt somebody. >> appreciate you beonging on

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. we have a big dose of new information in the josh duggar molestation story, none of it pretty some of it utterly sickening. a new police report from washington county arkansas. the bottom line the eldest child told his father about sexually abusing four of his sisters, one of whom was just five years old. and today, the duggars spoke about their reaction at the time. >> there was so much grief in our hearts. i think as parents we felt we're failures. here we tried to raise our kids to do what's right and know what's right and yet one of our children made some really bad

choices and i think as a parent we were devastated. >> devastated as they were they seem to have not taken the kind of steps you're suppose to to deal with their son, protect their daughters or answer to the criminal justice system. first, randy k. >> reporter: on three separate occasions, josh duggar confessed to his father that he molested his children. that's according to a police report obtained by in touch magazine. >> according to the police report joshua was crying and he was there with a church elder. >> reporter: this is from the sheriff's office where the duggars live. documents reveal that josh was 15 when he molested his 5-year-old sister and it didn't just happen once police say he

touched her breast and vaginal area while reading her a book on his lap, anering time the police report said he put his hand up her skirt in the laundry room. >> one of the sisters remembers the blanket being removed and she went to her father and said something about it. >> reporter: and it wasn't just the 5-year-old sister. he admitted to sexually molesting four of his sisters, plus a family friend. jim bob told police that in march of 2002 that he had been sneaking into his sisters room at night and touching them on their breasts and vaginal areas while they were sleeping. in all, josh duggar is involved in at least seven instances of sexual molestation and his parents, they sat on the information, instead of reporting it. and in fact the police report

shows the duggars waited at least 16 months before reporting their son's behavior to authorities. 16 months. what's still unclear is whether josh duggar or his sisters ever got professional help. jim bob said his son went to some sort of treatment program and his wife michelle actually said he'd just been sent to a family friend. >> reporter: eventually, the duggars did send josh to get help from state trooper who is serving time in prison for child porn. he said jim bob duggar told him about just one case. the new police report said the josh admitted to the trooper what he had done and mean time, by the time 2006 rolled around, the statute of limitations had run out.

randy cay, cnn. >> all they got was a stern talking to from a child pornographer. and he waited a year 1/2 beforeauthorities. joining us now is dr. drew and attorney and children's advocate. the fact that he confessed on three separate occasions to his father to multiple acts of molestation and then doing it again and confessing and doing it again and they waited 16 months before contacting authorities. i got to say it's unbelievable. >> yeah it is unbelievable. and you saw of course it's painful and you feel like a failure. that's when you run to professional help to mitigate the damages. >> and to protect your other children. >> and not only that but the children who may have been

tromtdstrom traumatized so far. we don't know what went on before or since and there may be other victims involved and all the while, these victims are being required to live and stay with the perpetrator and if they have feelings they don't know how to handle it's fine because god is in control now because the perpetrator has had a stern talking to which will do absolutely nothing. >> and done construction work with the family friend and what's rar not in this report is counseling that nobody was given. it sounds like all the focus is on the mistakes poor joshua duggar made it's nothing about his victims, as young as 5 yeared old and a family friend.

>> and even as i sit and watch the parents recount again, they use these words "josh made some poor choices." and it's really insulting to keep talking about this as if they're not crimes. what josh did was a crime under arkansas law. what the parents did by failing to prevent the abuse and failing to report it to police is also a crime. so when we talk about the statute of limitation running, there are two statutes involved. it's also a statute that governs the parents's conduct and josh's dawn duct conduct. and both of those statutes ran. but i don't think we should lose site of the fact that there still needs to be an investigation because there may be more victims out there that may come forlthth pforth.

>> dr. drew i have to say, if you were sexually abusing a 5-year-old child while they child is asleep or sitting on your lap or however it was done i believe while sitting on his lap, if you with sneak nothinging into your sister's rooms repeatedly and molesting him the, that doesn't go away does it? it's not as if oh that's a bad choice. >> it's not a choice. it's a behavior that results from something very serious that requires very serious treatment and you just had footage where there are children sitting in his lap and it really made me upset to see the images. who knows what else has happened since then and as i read that police report, you can see the department of social services sort of gearing up and the

duggars got in the way of that. so really as far as we can tell from the reports we have so far, these poor victims have had nothing done. this is very serious. >> this is not choices. this is not about religion. this is serious mental health disorders. >> there was so much grief in our hearts and as farntsparents, we felt we're failures. here we tried to raise our kids to do what's right and know what's right and yet one of our children made some really bad choices and i think as a parent we were devastated. >> the other thing, i mean i don't believe that if that mom was looking at some other family where a teen age boy molested his sisters and a family friend repeatedly and molested a 5-year-old child, that she would term it as oh that young man

made some bad choices. they would be pointing the finger and say throw the book at that person but it's a different standard of justice when you're wealthy, when it's your kid. >> as a parent it is terribly parent, they were doing their best. i understand. that is a real feeling. >> if you have 19 kids you can't be a good parent. >> well i couldn't be. i'm with you on that. >> you can't give the kind of parental attention that they need. >> i specifically cannot. >> i don't know if they're being good parents or great parents because all i hear is what they were doing to raise their children and about josh. we haven't heard anything about help for the victims or justice. in a typical case if the department of services come in they're going to take that kid out of the home.

the family friends coming over the the house, everyone was in danger -- >> what about the parents of the family friend so to speak who was molested. who are they in all of this? >> oh my god. that family -- >> the other church members who had this information and chose not to go to authorities. >> we should point out that clergyman are mandatory reporters and they had a legal obligation to report what was told to them by the duggar family about this molestation and they didn't do it so these victims were failed by their church by the system and by the state trooper who didn't investigate this matter but given a josh this stern talking to. that's not his job. he had an obligation to turn this over to the district attorney. >> we have to liveeave it there. up exnext a lot more tension

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there's evidence of a break in possible sequence of the details of the crime, all emerging today in the investigation into the murders of savvas savopoulos his wife amy, and their child and house keeper. we got a look today at newly filed court documents. >> reporter: in newly released court records, police seem to lay out how they believe the crime that ended with this fire began with a break in of the savopoulos home. police said they found with evidence that whoever held them hostage may not have been invited in. court documents say side doors on the house had quote a single

broken window pain. and a shoe or boot print is visible on the exterior suggesting forced entry. tonight, d.c. police are still holding 24-year-old deron wint who was arrested after being on the run. they say in addition to the dna on pizza crust, they found blood of at least one of the victims on wint's shoe. he remains the loan suspect although they don't believe he's working alone. >> and they are trying to track information down to link them to wint. and that's why it's probably taking some time. >> reporter: court documents also suggest investigators continue to be interested in savopoulos's asistersistant who reportedly dropped off $40,000 to the home and they're identifying him as jordan

wallace. police say after wallace changed details of his story surrounding the drop off of the money, they got a court order to retrieve his telephone records. >> i understand authorities are really focusing on the cell phones of the family. . why is that? >> they were not recovered after the fire. investigators would like to determine where and when those phones were used in the event they were stolen from the house by the killers, they want to get call detail records, cellular tower locations, call logs, email date aurksadata you name it. >> all right. appreciate the update. new video of looters in action. the police commissioner says the stolen drugs are fuelling a

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. tonight, police commissioner is linking the city's recent surge in crime to the freddy gray's death. >> the amount of drugs has thrown off the balance on the streets of baltimore. we're seeing the repercussions of these crimes across the community. individuals are getting high to a greater degree and at a greater pace than any time before. criminals are selling those stolen drugs. there are turf wars leading to violence and looting in our cities. >> he said there's enough drugs to keep it intox kated for a year. that's quite a statement. and take a look. you can see them in plain site

grabbing drugs off of shelves. in one case they took off with an entire sach fullcase full of oxy code on. and police have been ignoring their request and have yet to even watch these surveillance videos. and political commentator and cnn law enforcement analyst and retired nypd detective. have they given any reason for why they didn't respond to these farmicists's requests? >> we asked them last friday had they seen these videos and they said no. the baltimore police confirmed that there's a certain amount of pharmacies they haven't been to. they said they were backed up and will get to them eventually.

we talked to the formacypharmacy owners last week and they're starting to get calls from people in neighborhoods who found drugs with their names on it in bags. >> and how much of the rise in crime do you think is actually fuelled boo iy the drugs? can one make linkage? >> we're going by what the police commissioner said and gangs had a plan to do this and it's a calculated move. the homicide in may was the highest they've seen since the early '70s. and it does make sense. >> the spike in crime, the president of the baltimore police union said it's at least in part because the police in baltimore are more afraid of going to jail than they are of getting shot on duty. do you believe trepidation could be partly behind the rise in

crime? >> i'm sure it could be partly behind the rise in crime. and he knows what's going on he's down there. so the police officers i'm talking to are afraid they saw what happened to these three officers in baltimore and they're afraid if they act proactively and stopping another drug dealer on the corner, then they're susceptible to go to jail. >> there are people who look at shooters in new york and point fingers at the protests and protesters and say they've created an atmosphere hostale hostile to police and it has ramifications. >> i don't know why the black community has to choose between police abuse and neglect.

we just want lawful policing and i don't know why that should be so hard to get. you do have a new reality for law enforcement, you do have people with the cell phones and they're recording things. it's going to take a while for law enforcement to get used to that and also a while for people in the community to know that just because something doesn't look right on a camera doesn't mean it's unlawful. but i think it would be shocking to hear that you have law enforcement officers stepping back because they're afraid they will look back on camera. the vast majority of law enforcement is going to do whatever it takes to keep people safe. and i think we should stop offending police. >> andall so, there's two ways that you reduce crime in a city it's not only being reactive it's being proactive. if you create an environment

where it's conducive to him keeping his job or maybe going to jail you might have some police officers holding back there. >> go ahead. >> listen i don't understand why you're saying that. this whole wave of protests that we've had for almost a year, not one police officer has been sentenced to prison. you have two in jail because one ended up dead in custody, and one in custody because he was shot in back. >> they haven't gone to trial and that's why they haven't gone to trial yet, come on. >> we only have a handful of officers arrested. >> don't you think you're feeding into this. zie we have a system where these guys need be found guilty or not guilty. >> we agree with that. >> your paper, in an editorial

recently they said they don't believe it's unreasonable to start asking questions about leadership in a city where they have this spike in crime. does this come down to leadership and policy? what do you think is going on? >> that's not for me to speak on the editorial. if you point back to what the commissioner said during the freddy gray unrest he looked at the camera and said he's not going anywhere. the union has tension with the police commissioner and they said they're making requests to find out what happened and what caused it. you have the police commissioner saying he's asking an outside group investigating it. >> i appreciate you reporting. just ahead a troubling update on a florida hospital who continues to perform open heart surgeries on babies, even after

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two nights ago. between 2011 and 2000 tlaerngs its death rate for open heart surgeries on babies was more than three times the national average. that's according to our cal kulgdss. jet yet, st. mary's has kept that secret from parents seeking to have surgeries. they have warn state health officials about sabt rr mary's and they have not stopped and now we learned that another baby has died. >> reporter: davy ricardo brando his mother posting on his facebook page luto. portuguese for morning. instead of having three main

blood vessels, he only had one. 90% of babies survive thissurgery to correct the defect. his surgeries didn't go as well as acexpected so they had another one. what we do know is this, last year an expert panel sent in by the state of florida the head of advised them to stop doing surgeries on babies like davy younger than six months old. and now davies the 9th baby to die since the program started in 2011. amealia campbell died in 2010. her mother heard the news about

davy today. >> i feel sad, disgusted. >> reporter: she thinks st. mary's is doing the lucrative surgeries for the money and wants them to stop. >> how are you justifying this in your mind? find something else to do. you're not good at this. >> reporter: using date ast. mare mary's submitted. the program pfls mortality rate was 12.5%. that's more than three times higher than the national average. safety experts say st. mary's does too few, not getting enough practice to get good at them. t their own data said they underwent 20 in 2013 and just 18 last year. >> these volumed are quite low. practice makes perfect or at least makes it better. >> reporter: cnn disputes that

but refuses to provide what it considders the correct deatherate. a mortality rate has been consistent with national average and does not significantly exceed the mortality rate of other programs as cnn story alleged but they refused to provide evidence to refute that claim. the latest baby who never left st. mary's following his surgery. we said look experts are saying these are very low volumes and they said we don't regulate the number of surgeries done in these hospitals and they keep monitoring st. mary's to make sure they're following the law. and the parents are very underwhemed to the say the least

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