the east. we have new information for out the plot in boston. federal authorities now say the terror suspect was shot dead by cops when he came at them with a knife. was planning on beheading. he >> authorities say they have the suspect and the two of his associates under 24-hour surveillance. federal officials say their disturbing plot included want to behead the one who organized the cartoon contest in garland, texas. he's begin with alexander fields. she's life in boston. a lot of information has come out overnight. what do we know today? >> reporter: at this point we know why police decided to move in on usaama rahim. it doesn't just that his behavior had changed, his plans changed. court comes reveal he had cooked

up two plans days before his death. he decided to switch targets and accelerate the time line for his attack. the original plot was originally sinister and gruesome. the fbi believes boston terror suspect usaama rahim's original plan was to behead pamela geller within a conservative blogger. according to an fbi affidavit, 26-year-old rahim purchases this marine fighting knife on amazon on may 25th. on the following day he allegedly makes a phone call to his nephew. 25-year-old david wright being charged with destroying evidence on rahim's smartphone. the fbi says rahim told his nephew about the knife over the phone and that wright later responded with a reference investigators say to terrorists beheadings. the next day, on may 27th the fbi intercepts the amazon

package, x-rays it finds the knife and a knife sharpener. but then abruptly this week on tuesday, the fbi citizen rahim calls his nephew saying he's changing the plan because he can't wait that long. insfaed he's going to go after the boys in blue and reveals hi plan to randomly kill police officer in massachusetts on tuesday or wednesday. this is what prompted the police officers to approach rahim on tuesday morning. >> this video shows the four or five officers backtracking a way from the suspect as he's coming after them. >> we do see a vague video that is not clear as to what transpired. he wasn't at a bus stop. he wasn't shot in the back. there's not enough clear detail on the video to tell us what

happened. however he was approaching them. they did back up. evidently by evidence of his death he was fired upon. >> reporter: some two dozen community leaders were invited to privately watch that surveillance video here at the boston police head kwausht erss. at the time we're told that rahim's family has not seen the video. the video is not public as it's part of the investigation. we're learning new details, including this. police believe that rahim and wright have spoken to a third person a person in rhode island in the days before rahim's death. that person has not been charged and authorities have not publicly identified who that person is alison. >> thanks so much for that. joining us now to discuss it is cnn national security analyst and former homeland security adviser from massachusetts, juliet guy yam and darnell bms who was one of the community leaders who saw that surveillance tape of rahim's shooting. good morning to both of you.

i want to begin with you. when you and i were talking yesterday we did not know what had been the catalyst to make police move in at 7:00 a.m. that morning. now we do. it turns out that two hours before he was killed they heard him say that he wanted to do an attack on the boys in blue. what does it say to you? >> that's exactly right. the affidavit released yesterday, it was the missing piece which is what sped up the process that the police would do an approach in public in a cvs parking lot. and it's clear now because of the surveillance and wiretapping of the phone lines between wright and rahim and this third party that the attack was going to happen yesterday at the latest -- i'm sorry, tuesday, at the latest on wednesday. they had no choice. that was the missing piece when we were talking yesterday. i kept saying something happened

because you don't do this. they heard the attack was going to be on tuesday. >> it's so interesting to watch how police cracked this case. again, great police work. we've been talking about how hard it is to track people who are isis inspired and yet they did all the right things in this case including they noticed a change in his behavior in terms of social media threats. and they were on top of it. >> that's exactly right. so -- because the joint terrorism task force will have hundreds of investigations going on at any time. based on additional surveillance including at some point a court allowing a wiretap to occur, you then get this focus on rahim as not just some cry za guy online who likes isis but someone who is planning a sirius attack. that knife and the fact that they were able to disrupt the amazon.com order like you and i do every day, take pictures of it. they knew what he was planning.

it is true this was a lot of the lessons learned after the boston marathon bombing in terms of that real jointness of the joint terrorism task force. and really the only part that didn't work according to plan and the boston police chief was clear about it is they did not anticipate that interaction in the parking lot to be essentially the last interaction with rahim. >> one last question before i get to mr. williams and that is this strange development that his original target was that he wanted to come to new york and find pamela geller and behead pamela gel whoer is a controversial person who staged the cartoon contest for the drawing of the prophet muhammad. do authorities alert someone? when they find out someone is being targeted, do they tell that person? >> sometimes they do not because they do not know how serious the threat is.

i personally as someone who deals with enough of intolerance throughout the world abhor what she stands for. but nonetheless, she has ever right to express those view points. to be honest she's probably getting so many threats through various other people who are agitated by her. and unless they really thought that he was going to new york to do it they wouldn't have notified her. terrorists like this really like convenience. they want it to be easy for themselves. and i think that explains rahim's change in plans. it was probably going to be hard for him to get to new york and find her so she does an easier thing which is finding any police officer on the street. >> mr. williams we want to ask you. you were one of the community leaders brought in to watch the surveillance video of how this whole shooting went down. can you describe what you saw on that video? >> well basically we were able to sea the tape and see the suspect cross the parking lot

from one end of the parking lot slowly proceeding towards the street level. and there were a couple of items that really kind of obstructed our view. it was pointed out to us in the video that there were two police vehicles fbi or boston police officials who were watching him. he was under surveillance. as the video continued to play three officers started to approach the suspect, and then we could see that they started to back up from the suspect. then we can see that their hands were raised with the guns lifted. now we were told this. you can't tell this from the video, that there were four commands for the suspect to drop the weapon. from our vantage point we could not see the weapon because of the poor quality of the video. but we do -- it's not likely that you would see a police officer, three of them in fact backing up from someone unless there was somewhat of an imminent threat. so as a result we saw sha.

>> let me stop you for one second. i want to ask you about what is pt's brother said. e said that the suspect was on the cell phone to their father at the time of the shooting and that he was shot in the back. did you see either of those things in. >> no i did not. and i actually went on record yesterday saying that was not what we saw in the video. even the imam stated he was not not from the back. did not appear from our vantage point that he was on the cell phone. and the only question i would ask, who would take that kind of a weapon to a job and what job was he going to at that time of the morning. so i think the questions of what we really saw was that he was shot apparently three times, two shots as reported by the fbi and one shot by boston police. and he went down. that's what we can see on the video very clearly. >> mr. williams this is an unusual move for the boston police department to call in

community leaders such as yourself and show them this surveillance video. they didn't have to do that. why do you think they chose to do that? >> well actually this is not the first time that they've done it. i believe this is the second or third time where we've had incidents where the boston police commissioner and superintendent in chief, community leaders, clergy and civil rights leaders come up with a game plan that we would see a video, whether it's good or bad, so that we can offer or opinion in terms of what transpired was it above -- was the protocol followed. and if there are questions of improvement. we do not believe that boston should be viewed as a ferguson or other cities where there's not a dialogue where there's not a relationship or a trust building between the community and police. and we wanted to demonstrate. that's why we did it. >> and it sure seems to be working, at least in this case in boston to quell any sort of unrest there. thanks so much for all of the

information. great to talk to both of you. we will talk to pamela geller life in our 8:00 a.m. hour. stick around for that. here's something you don't hear very often. baltimore's police commissioner is appealing to the federal government for help to fight a spike if violent crime. it's an unusual move prompted by unusual circumstances. a flood of illegal drugs that were looted during riots there. that's what the commissioner blames for this surge. miguel marquez is live in baltimore with the latest. good morning, miguel. >> reporter: good morning. this is a police commissioner who is in the hot seat. he has an upset civilian population and a demoralized police force, really struggling to get it under control. may the worst month they've had for murders since 19 72. 43 people killed. the murder rate overall for the year up 40%, up to 119 murders. the police chief saying here there are more drugs on

baltimore's streets than ever before. >> there's enough narcotics on the streets of baltimore to keep it intoxicated for a year. criminals are selling those stolen drugs, there are turf wars happening which are leading to violence and shootings in our city. >> now one thing i've asked baltimore police is why. why are those drugs creating more crime on their streets. we do know that a lot of the drug dealers in this town that already has a drug problem were unable to sell drugs during the time of the riots. there was a lot of turf wars and a lot of neighborhood fighting over turf immediately following the riots here. but those drugs seem to be adding fuel to an already burning fire here. and the question now is what will all these federal agents do. it is not entirely clear. they've had a lot of help over the years but presumably they will be here to help investigate

the many, many krumscrimes that occurred here during the riots. hundreds of businesses were robbed during those riots. 27 of them pharmacies and two methadone clinics, says the police commissioner. >> oh my gosh. what a development. thanks so much for that. isis has a new weapon and it's water. the extremists closing the gates of a dam in ramadi threatening thousands of civilian live ps nick pay on the walsh is live with this story. >> reporter: remarkable details we're learning about exactly what isis is doing at this key dam near ramadi. they seem have closed off all of its gates allowing a couple to open downstream. it's making many in the area fear exactly how much water

they're going to have to live off of in terms of daily life in the months ahead. the reports of dozens of families fleeing that area trapped between isis ramadi and isis fallujah. there's a possibility that the isis fighters could in fact cross the river and attack forces there. water as a weapon something many feared happening in this extraordinarily hot region. it seems to be happening now just as the u.n. says they need half a billion dollars now to deal with the 8 to 10 million people who are are currently in harm's way here in iraq. we want to tell you about a terrible scene on china's yangtze river. how many are trapped or intombed. you see the workers working feverishly trying to get through the hull for signs of life. so far they've found none. 75 bodies have been identified. the number continue to grow. remember there were well over

400 people on board. hundreds are still unaccounted for. authorities are still investigating the cause. well the pentagon anthrax scandal getting bigger. live anthrax samples were mistakenly sent to as many as 51 labs in 17 states and three countries. that's nearly double what was original hi reported. the number expected to increase. the pentagon says there has been no reported cases of anthrax infections infections. here's a first. the duggar parents from the tlc show "19 kids ancounting" are speaking out about the molestation scandal that's rocking their family. jim bob and michelle told fox news they were crushed when their eldest son con freszed to molesting five underage girls when he was a teenager himself. four of them were his own sisters. >> i think as parents we felt

we're failures. you know here we tried to raise our kids to do what's right, to know what's right and yet one of our children made some really bad choices. and i think as a parent we were just we were devastated. >> two of the abused daughters, jill and jessa also spoke out saying what their brother did was wrong but they do not believe he should be labeled a child molester. we're going to talk about this more later on. this is the new kate and 8 times two plus some but the dynamic different. >> there's so much to discuss with it. are illegal drugs driving up crime in baltimore or is bad polices to blame. we'll take a closer look at the crisis on the streets of charmed city. ted cruz makes a joke about joe biden right after his son dies. that is the truth and the reaction ahead.

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commissioner anthony batts claims this recent surge of violence in his city is a result of the flood of streets that happened after the looting in april. he's asking for federal help to control his streets. let's discuss the situation and the needed fix with investigator reporter for the baltimore sun and the pastor of the empowerment church. he's an organize near the community and having unity rallies in baltimore. mark let's start with you. the idea that so many drugs, illegal drugs, prescription drugs were taken at pharmacies during the riots that they're flooding the streets. what is the factual basis for that? >> well what the police commissioner reported yesterday the baltimore sun reported online friday in the paper on sunday that dozens of pharmacies were looed, the narcotics were taken and we found several pharmacy owners who said their most powerful drugs were taken.

>> all right. so those are both v best interesting. there's the supply they were looted. this is the kind of stuff with street value. however the idea that he needs help now, what has he police force been doing until now. you're saying there was no follow-up of the pharmacies. was that the job of the baltimore cops or was that handed off to the feds and the dea. >> the pharmacy owners said they reported them to the dea. the police and the dea said they're backed up, will get to them eventually. the commissioner asked for federal help for this the doj is investigating, they're investigate freddie gray's death. so the department of justice, a big role in the policing going forward in baltimore. >> they're already there, is that a gad or bad thing. reverend what do you make of the commissioner saying he needs help now to control the streets? >> i think it's cop out. what they're not reporting, not

by the commissioner or the sun is not just the rise in homicide but the rise of ods that have happened. if in fact his theory is correct then that these are addicts who are doing it they ought to be easier to catch were their senses are down it's slower and harder for them to move around. what's evident is under the bloodiest month that baltimore has had, what the commissioner didn't say is arrests are down. a critical point is yes, they need more funding but so do those who are victims. there's a clear connection between poverty and climb. poverty is clearly of the punishment for somebody who didn't commit the crime. there needs to be funding but it's not for policing but for job training for opportunities and for education in our city. and when that is infujed, you're going to see a complete turn around in baltimore. >> here's the dilemma. if it were that simple to cure

poverty you would have to believe we would have cured it by now. you need resources on both sides, reverend. you need the policing there now more than ever because you have the spike in crime. and the police commissioner said his cops are doing the best they can. they haven't slacked off on the job, no matter how they feel. but this isn't just addicts, it's it's gangs that have the drugs and it's upped their criminal activity. fair distinction? >> what has happened which is very critical is while we've had a spike in homicide and violent crimes that we have in fact had a downgrade in the amount of arrests that have taken place. in of the police officers in baltimore said they're a little slow in moving because they're ready sent in terms of lawsuits. we've got to deal with both sides. the state's attorney and the commissioner has been trying to be a motivational speaker to the police department because we've seen an intentional slowdown

with how policing is taking place in our community. it's become open season according to many within the streets of baltimore what kind of mentality says to you that when you commit a crime, it's easier to do it, you know the police are going to be slower to respond. >> you can't have it both ways. you had a lot of people in the community going after the police say it wasn't just about a few bad apples they're all bad. and now they're saying hey, we need cops the cops shouldn't slow down and they're criticizing the cops about that. we don't know if it's slow around slowdown. but it's a fair criticism you were demonizeing the cops and now you're saying you need them. it's hypocritical. >> the question is raised when you put all of the funding in terms of militarization and protection and none into education and stimulation of a community, you're headed toward chaos. our own governor in the state of

maryland has earmarked some $30 million towards the development of a new juvenile detention center. at the same time that he's taken away $11 million from baltimore public schools. we've not given a universal sweeping statement that there is no good police officers in baltimore. we have many young men and women who have dedicated their lives to the safety of our streets. >> understood. >> what we've asked the commissioner and the do jx is to root out those who are malice and have bad intent. >> you've been working it a long time. you know the communities very well. people say there's a lot of money that goes into these communities. they have a lot of black representatives. they're all democrats there who are about building up the infrastructure. this is all about money that plagues the communities? >> no. baltimore has had poverty issues for decades. these problems will take years to fix. each when the doj is done

reforming the police department it's not going to be done overnight. i's not a quick fix. as is playing out now. >> go ahead. finish please. >> you know the dea and the police have both said these people who stole the drugs, they could have beened a dicks but they've pointed out they're gangs and there are calculated moves to get the drugs on the street. >> thank you very much for giving us the factual bay miss. reverend jamal, pleasure tough you on the show. we have breaking political news. information into cnn about if and when he'll get into the race. that straight ahead. ♪ ♪

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we have a key race alert this morning. former florida governor jeb bush like they say a at the beginning of a ufc fight, it is time. a big announcement on june 15th. three guesses what it is. the fist two don't count.

he's expected to add his name to the lust of republican hopefuls. a bush aid tells cnn jeb is quote ready. >> great to have both of you. maggie it's always funny when politicians make a grand announcement that you're going to be making a grand announcement at some point. >> big theme this cycle. you have a lot of nayannouncing about the announcing. he's not the only person doing this. >> what's the question about his fund raisings. >> the question is he's raising money for his super pac and he can do that because he's not a declared candidate yes. the question is whether he and people like governor walker and chris christie who is a sitting governor are they walking right up to the line. nobody is going to have as much money as jeb an the republican side. that is why his race is questioned. he ripped off the band aid before he goes to a big trip to europe next week. >> how will this change the game

in terms of how he can get money between what he's doing now and once he's officially in? >> well he can no longer accept unlimited donations. he's confined the much smaller amounts in terms of what he can ask donors for. the super pac can accept unlimited checks. it will be interesting because a lot of jeb's top aides are going to be working for the super pac so they won't be able to have the same close coordination that they've had. obviously he's been getting a lot of criticism for the setup and do feel luke it was time. everyone knows jeb bush is rubbing for president. it's time to take it official. >> i want to speak to you because you're there in texas because of another big announcement made yesterday, and that is rick perry is getting in the race. now of course the last time he ran for president he was sort of caught up by some self inflicted wounds that left the impression that he wasn't left for prime time.

what's the new face of rick perry this time. >> he has glasses on. >> he has the glasses. you're going to get a much more serious rick perry that time. i think we're getting a sense of that the way the announcement is set up. we're outside the venn view right now. inside there's a huge c-130 plane. that's the plane that rick perry flew in the air force. they want prointroduce reck perry with his bio, the rick perry the successful governor the family man who came from humble roots and a rural town. the challenge is going to be getting voter to give him a second look after the oops moment. >> he looks different. we're joking about it but it matters. when geraldo put the glasses on, it totally changed who people thought he was. and also the wife that he has someone who loves him and knows him who says you don't know him the right way yet. let's play the sound of perry's wife saying how she saw his

flaws. >> that wasn't the rick perry that i knew that i know now up on that stage. and to be honest with you, he's different, so much different nonthan he was then. and i think america has really seen what a promising person he can be. and i think america is a great place for a second chance. >> anita perry lays it out. will it work? >> that's sort of the story we hear about america redemption tales. rick perry is running in a field that is twice as crowded as the one he ran in 2012. in 2012 he was the white knight. rick perry bombed terribly. >> i don't think that's what he said. >> as she indicated, bombed terribly. that was not the rick perry i knew. he had a serious back surgery. he was unprepared. he is prepared now. i think he has something of a path in iowa.

i think iowans are not sure where they're headed. it's very open among the republican caucus goers. but it's crowded and he's going to have to stand out. >> lincoln chaff fee of rhode island announced yesterday. what's going on? you're chuckling. >> i'm only chuckling but the democrat side is so very different than what you're seeing on the republican side. hillary clinton remains ahead in the poles. lincoln chaffe is barrying registering in the polls. he spent part of his announcement yesterday talking about the metric system and how he's going to bring that back. i think he'll serve a purpose in this debate. but if you're looking for people who are going to impact more of what hillary clinton say they that's martin o'malley or bernie sanders. >> i think maggieit's boggled my mind

that no one brought this up sooner. let's put this agenda to the side. do you think that people who come into the race against hillary clinton have to start going after hill rin clinton a little bit to be effective? bernie sanders said i'm not running against hillary. i'm running for people. doesn't that have to stop at some point ? >> they have to go after hillary if they want the press to pay attention to them at all. these people i mean they're very low in the polls. they're not the kind of people that we're going to be giving a ton of press coverage to unless they're going after hillary clinton. lincoln chaffe is a kircht scenario. i'm a political reporter and i barely knew who he was. bernie sanders on the other hand the drawing pretty big crowds in iowa. people kind of want to see this

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prominent activist pamela gel geller. he scrapped the plan and plotted to randomly kill police officers. at least 76 people killed in a blast at a gas station. this is in the capital of acura. officials say the explosion was sparked by a fire that erupted last night. deadly bus crashes to tell you about, three people killed in the poke knows in pennsylvania when a tractor trailer and a bus full of tourists collided head on. 13 others injured in that crash. and in texas a bugs driver and passenger died after a bus ran into a flad bed truck along highway 10. that's 90 miles west of houston. united airlines apologizing taf a flight attend dan refused to give an unopened can of soda to a muslim passenger. she was left in tears. the flight attend dan refused to

give her the unopen beverage claiming the can can be used a as weapon including by her. she's currently receiving sensitivity training. >> thisere you go. that helps. >> the speed at which you address the wrong is as important as anything else that you do. so were they fast enough here? >> it was less than a week. but it certainly was msh than one day. and what she endured on that flight being called names by other passengers nobody stopped it. >> because you know people were big dealing it when hi first happened. and the reaction to the interview, a can of soda big deal. that means the people are a bigot. >> yeah it kind of does. >> and they insulted her. they used really nasty names. but in any event they're addressing it now. the stanley cup final is underway as i can tell you and i was the chicago blackhawks striking first taking game one

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he was one of the 15 charged in corruption in this case. he went on tv in trinidad saying he's currently fearing for his life right now because he's about to turn over a mountain of evidence in this corruption case that implications sepp blatter. this case just getting started. >> thank you very much. coming up the parents of josh duggar speaking out for the first time since molestation allegations surfaced. what are they saying about their son and being victims themselves ahead. >> i think as parents we felt we're failures. here we tried to raise our kids to do what's right.

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we thought, you know at first that josh you know was on the road to mend. and so there was a couple more times that he came and told us what he had done. and we were just devastated. all these -- again, this was not rape or anything like that.

>> that was jim bob duggar speaking out for the first time after his son josh duggars molested four of his sisters. let's speak to larry hackett. larry, what jumped out at you from this interview? >> the media story, if you don't watch the show is this crazy family with 19 kids had this child who did the molestation. what are they about. i thought they came across reasonably. there are going to be very few parents in the united states who are going to say in terms of what they did in terms of getting counseling and how they treated the girls and him were not unreasonable. >> it came out that they tried to address this within their own family. he was 14 when he confessed to them that he had inappropriately touched their sisters over their clothing. that uz the first thing he admitted to. they sought out clergy therapy

for him. when he came back another time and then a time again saying i continued to do it and one time it wu under the clothing and it was with a bib by sitter who was outside of the family as well. then they took it upon themselves to go to the arkansas police department and see what the recourse should be. what do you think the ramifications are for this family and their show going forward? >> to some people it sounded like they were trying to minimize the severity of this by saying its not rape. clearly there's in indication this was rape or anything like that. for them to be talking about how it was overthe clothes and also under the clothes and then eventually it happened to a young daughter a daughter around the age of five years old. that is another level of detail here that we hadn't heard before that is shocking to a lot of people. i think for fans obviously some fans of the show take away the fact that this family is trying to heal that there was contrition. there are a whole lot of critics out there as well.

anmaybe this story is one of those stories with this is a red/blue left/right story. >> you got red/blue and right and wrong as well. this interview was a conversation among friends. it wasn't a testing interview. how much do you trust their appraisal of fact? did anybody else verify what they say the son said? if you're the parent of the other kid, not the daughter are you as satisfied that everything was done the right way? >> the last third of the show was about the agenda of their critics. >> how the family is under attack. >> this is not going to end. if they had stopped with this is what we did, we'll take the punishment and accept what tlc does it became about the agenda. they had the daughters on. wasn't independent unfair to you that this was revealed and your children were essentially named. then they had these daughters on. the daughters who tlc is rumored for thinking about having their

own spinoff. >> will e's show the daughters and their response. >> people don't have a right to do this. this is -- we're victims. they can't do this to us. >> and yet they did. >> and they did. >> the system that was set up to protect kids both of those who make stupid mistakes or have problems like this in their life and the ones affected by those choices, it's just it's greatly failed. >> when they say they can't do this to us they mean the people who revealed it the people who leaked this. >> they're focusing on the release of the juvenile records. sit clear the family want the story to be about the release. >> sit a sealed juvenile records. >> they thought the records would never be revealed. they feel the police chief in their town was going after them and that's why the family feels they're under attack. but to the critics of the family members, it's as if they're

making the juvenile records more of an issue than the molestation. >> a couple of things need to be done. the police chief never had a chance to say anything in the show. that should have been done. the magazine said they got the records from a freedom of information act request. i don't know of any world where juvenile records -- i don't if that's the case. the they is indeed the local cops and critics down there. >> that wasn't checked in the interview. it's taken fact that there's an agenda. >> they may sue over the issue of the records. that would be a big deal. >> they may have an issue. >> they may. they is all of the yitices, not just the individual critics. everybody who is against them. they upped the ante here. i thought they were going to walk away. >> since you were at people magazine for so long was it okay for intouch magazine to share this information? >> that's a difficult thing. at the same time people are

criticizing that it should be out there, the daughters were on television. i don't know how they get the information. the idea of printing juvenile information even if it was reacted, is very very dicey. on the other hand people like to sell magazines. and you can make the argument that the duggars are chosen to live in a public realm and what goes on in their family is utterly jermaine to the news and what happens. that's a difficult argument. yes, they were 14 and young but they chose to live by this and this is what happens. >> thanks so much were being here. we want to hear your take. you can tweet us or post your comment on facebook.com/new day. what do you think about how this became public and now them speaking about it. we're following a lot of news this morning. let's get to it. >> our officers went out there to only question the individual. >> they targeted me. this is a showdown for american

freedom. >> she is not above the criticism that is being leveled at her because of her own affiliations. >> isis has a new weapon and it's water. their goal to quote kill people of tlis. closing the gates of a dam in ramadi. >> mistaken shipments that may have contained live anthrax. >> suspect shipments in 51 labs. there are now 400 lots of anthrax. this is new day with chris cuomo, allison camerady da and michaela pereira. >> michaela is off this morning. there are disturbing details this morning about the boston terrorist who was killed by police. officials say he plotted to randomly go after police because they were the easiest targets. >> but his original deranged plan which he says was inspired by isis that's what authorities believe is he wanted to cut the head off of pamela geller.

alexander field is live in boston for us and there may be other people at play here as well yes? >> reporter: that's right. absolutely chris. this investigation only widening at this point. police stul looking at another person. a key question has been answered to the public. a lot of people are asking why would police rush to confront rahim in the parking lot of that c cvs after watching him for years. they had information that led them to believe that he planned to attack on tuesday or wednesday of this week. the original plot was originally sinister and gruesome according to law enforcement officials. the fbi believes boston terror suspect usaama rahim was to behad pamela geller a controversial activist and

blogger. according to an fbi affidavit, 26-year-old rahim purchases this marine fighting knife on may 25th. the following day on the 26th he allegedly makes a phone call to his nephew. 25-year-old david wright now being charged with destroy evidence on rahim's smartphone. the fbi says rahim told his nephew about this knife over the phone and that wright later responded with a reference investigators say to terrorists beheadings. the next day, on may 27th the fbi intercepts the amazon package, x-rays it and finds a knife and a knife sharpener. but then abruptly this week on tuesday, the fbi says rahim calls his nephew saying he's changing the plan because he can't wait that long. instead he's going to go after the boys in blue. and rahim reveals his plan to randomly kill police officers in massachusetts on tuesday or

wednesday. this supposed escalation is what prompted them to approach rahim at this shopping center on tuesday morning. >> the video clearly shows these four or five officers backtracking away from the suspect as he's coming at them. >> on wednesday investigators showed is the surveillance video of the shooting to community leaders mpl based on the video that we saw, i would 150% collaborate with the commissioner just stated. >> reporter: so that surveillance video has to do with the death investigation. and it won't be released to the public until the death investigation is concluded. that's part of the puzzle because we know that investigators are focused right now on whatever alleged plot they believe rahim had been mind. they're looking at potential accomplices and associates here. david wright has been charged in federal court but court paperwork believes that wright and rahim had communicated with

a third person, someone in rhode island but the documents do not name that person. >> alexander. and in the next hour we'll speak with one of those alleged targets, pamela geller. she will be live here on "new day." breaking news of the political variety. jeb bush setting june 15th as the date of the big announcement. he's expected to announce that he's joining the growing list of republicans running for president. let's bring in john king from washington. is there a chance he's announcing anything else? are we predtty sure on this? >> we're told by his aides that jeb is going to go on. he's had some bumps on the campaign trail. he's in the middle of the polls. but all indications are at miami-dade college, which is the biggest higher education institute in the state of florida he's going to say i'm in running for president.

we could have as many as eight current and former governors in a republican field that is going to get up above a dozen and maybe higher than 15. >> i think it's worth a discussion about why he hasn't announced until now. fair criticism that maybe part of the reason he wasn't announcing wasn't just timing the media cycle but to keep raising unlimited amounts of money through his super pac and is that a problem. >> with some of the vote ares it is. they've criticized it because if you watch him on the campaign trail's comical. he'll say as president i'll do this and if i run. it's clear he's been running for some time. people are saying he's doing it to skirt the law, to build a war chest of money so when he does officially get in that money could be quite important to him as he try to carve his way back to the front of the pack. if he being criticized yb yes.

do you see these campaign finance issues become the yes or no issue in a campaign? no. voters don't tend to rebel because of campaign finance questions. >> that's somewhat of a shame. it does wind up becoming the dominant and corrupt tif force in the politics. this guy in washington he says it makes a mockery of the law what jeb bush is doing. not that jub started it. this is a game they're all playing. it is time for the game to stop? >> in every cycle somebody learns to push it a lit the further in both parties. they learn, okay this guy exploited this loophole i'm going to take it and go this way. we've seen this continuously. this congress has smoun no willingness to take up a big campaign finance legislation. the supreme court is on record in the citizens united case saying that's the right of free speech. corporations with people will.

if the supreme court said they can spend the smun the candidates are going to try to collect it. >> is it true that a lot of the people working with him now are going to be split, some will be on the campaign some working for the super pac. there is a deaf nation of separation that they don't coordinate? >> once he announces they're not supposed coordinate. right to rise is his super pac, right to rise is his political organization. there will be other pacs set up as well. won't just be right to rise. several of the candidates two or three super pacs out there helping them. that's one of the fascinating things that changed. it used to be you built your campaign team. you took your best guy from your race for governor from senate. this is the guy you trust frd grass roots and you put them on your campaign treem. now candidates have to make split decisions. they want to take some of their best people saying i want you to work on the super pac.

we can't talk anymore. you're the guy i trust, you think like me. it's actually a fascinating challenge for candidates to decide who's on the official campaign team and who goes over here allegedly behind a fire wall to help you out. >> no small irony that you have hillary clinton going -- she won't talk to us but she's going to talk to the people because that's what it's about. and you have 250 people on the gop side all saying that this is about people and making it about that. and yet it's all about money and every issue of viability for a candidate is about how much money they can raise. i had a republican guy who is close to the team say we had to time the announcement and make sure he had enough money when he comes in that you know he's making a strong presence. it's all about the money >> and the question is how does he spend the money. does he spend it to say here's who i am or does he spend it to go after his republican rivals. a lot of people thought jeb bush would eke out a little bit of a

front runner's lead. he does not have that. money has a huge impact but you have to communicate with the voters. you need to go to iowa massachusetts. you have to interact at some point. jeb bush is at odds with your party on education, immigration, he has to convince voters essentially i think you're wrong or vote for me even though you think i'm wrong. he's going to have to interact with the voters. is he going to win iowa? not today. new hampshire? not today. it's fascinating. he knows he needs to get in and change the dynamic of the campaign. >> what do you want your guy across from john king so he's getting pop pop popped with questions every day? always good to have your perspective on it. back to the developing story about crime spiking. ball more's police commissioner asking for the fed's help in

fighting a surge in violent crime there. he says drug wars are fueling the violence and the drugs fueling the streets came from a particular incident. miguel marquez is live. what's his theory. >> reporter: specifically many of the drugs that are on the street pharmaceutical drugs came from the businesses that were robbed and rioted during the worse of the rioting. 27 pharmacies they're saying were robbed as well as two methadone clinics. >> there's enough narcotics on the streets of baltimore to keep it intoxicated for a year. >> this morning, baltimore struggle to contain over 175,000 stolen doses of narcotics. a massive amount of prescription drugs taken from 27 pharmacy looted during and after the freddie gray riots. the drug wave officials say could be playing a significant role in the dramatic increase in

crime here. 43 homicide reported in the month of may, this city's deadliest in over four decades. >> and we're still counting. >> the dea says the number of stolen drugs could potentialological double. around 40% of the looted pharmacies haven't even finished telling their losses >> individuals are getting high to a greater degree and at a greater pace than nim anytime many before. >> baltimore police commissioner pleading for for resources, prosecutors and law enforcement officers to boost the city's response. >> criminals are selling the strollen drugs, there are turf wars happening leading to violence and shooting in our city. >> these figures being used to bolster arguments for stronger police enforcement. after the six officers were charged in the death of gray police he spoke to say they've been more hesitant to draw their

guns. >> they're afraid to go to jail for doing their job. they're hesitant and reluctant to take action. >> reporter: now, it has been the case feds have come into cities like baltimore in the past to help out. what is still inclear in this case is how many agents from those many agencies will step up and how they will be used. chris? >> thank you very much. other news in morning, the pentagon anthrax scare is widening. officials now confirm that samples were sent to nearly double the locations reported. let's bring in barbara starr. i don't that we've cover anything like this anytime recently. do you no. >> it's not in the pentagon here in a long time. look. it appears that a procedure for aradiating the anthrax, killing it off, a procedure they used for decades simply did not work. they do not know why and the problem is escalateing. four major lots are tested positive for anthrax.

they have about 400 lots left to test. from the four that are positive samples have been sent out to 51 labs in 17 states at least across the country. plus the district of columbia. plus three countries overseas. so they have a big rob right now trying to round this up and figure out exactly where live anthrax may be. now, the pentagon says this is not a public health hazard because all of it is contained in labs. but listen to the deputy secretary of defense, the number two man at the pentagon who came out yesterday and the concern that he does have about this. >> i have no reason to believe that there's any danger of this causing any type of an outbreak outside the laboratories. and i don't believe that we will have anybody infected. but we're waiting to find out. >> but we are waiting to find out. what he is saying is there may be hundreds if not thousands of

lab workers who work in these labs across the country and indeed around the world that they have to take a look at their potential exposure to live anthrax. already some 30 people are getting protective medical treatment. allison? >> the breadth of this is just incredible. thanks so much for all of that background. a former top u.s. soccer official who was on fifa's executive committee admits he and other members took bribes to rig votes for the 1998 and 2010 world cup locations. 40 pages of newly released federal court documents reveal chuck blazer pleaded guilty to money laundering fraud and tax evasion and played a central role in the u.s. government's case against other fifa officials. new details in the grisly murder of a waurkds family and their family. there are signs that the suspects forced their way into the savopoulos family. that's a change from what the

police initially reported. daron wint has been linked to the crime. he's charged with first degree murder. authorities say it is likely he did not act alone and other charges will be coming. ted cruz's timing may need some work. the texas congressman an republican presidential candidate joked about vermont vice president's biden propensity for verbal gaps this at the time when the boyden family is deeply mourning the death of bo biden. cruz apologizing saying it was a mistake to use an old joke about joe biden during this time of agree and i apologize. . >> why it wasn't was, why it wasn't right. >> it shows a keeply out of touch quality to make a joke days after his loses his own son. why make that joke? >> because politics is nasty and nastier. when you attack the other side it plays to the crowd he was in

front of. >> you think was intentional? >> yes. he knew what he was saying. he thought he was going to work on that crowd. it didn't. it backfired. then he apologized. ted cruz isn't alone in this. you hear from politicians all of the time they do something to work the crowd, it goes a little too far and then they have to dive on it and say it's horrible. we're all praying for them. >> let us know what you think. >> that was not working today. >> meanwhile, isis has a new weapon in its ashs improvisational and it does not involve high-tech arms. desperate iraqi officials say dire consequences are inevitable. we have more on jeb bush's 2016 plans and don't forget rick perry big announcement later today. the man with the glasses. does the texas governor have a chance for a second chance? john king inside politics with the analysis to come.

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new developments this morning on isis's battle for supremecy in iraq. residents near ramadi dam fleeing as the terrorists found a new weapon. christian am pour is cnn's chief correspondent. she joins us now in the studio. so the terrorist, isis has found a new weapon and that weapon is water? >> it's tried to do that before in mosul when it took mosul last

summer. i've been talking to one of the major sunni tribal shakes in ramadi and they are complaining they've been left abandoned, they don't have enough weapons. the u.s. is trying to get the sunni trooid sunni sunni tribe to do an awakening. with isis trying to use water as a weapon it's going to put a huge amount of pressure. apparently there's a huge amount of discussion on what they want the tous do and what they want their government to do to get the dam out of the hands of isis. >> meaning they would flood towns or they're restricting water? >> we don't know. they either want to use the water to enable them to be able to use the terrain and the battleground to their advantage and maybe press their advantage in a way that the water was impeding them. but also they have been known to use any kind of weapon against people as well. let's face it within syria's

assad has been using water and food and sieges to starve out many of the rebel holdouts. so this is probably what they think a military weapon but it will have the effect if it proceeds of denying people water and exacerbating terrible droughts in these countries which reach 50 degrees in the summer. >> and also exacerbating the exodus. people are already having to go somewhere. >> there is a catastrophe of refugees happening in that area right now, the highest that this world has ever seen really in terms of refugees. and syrians and iraqis and all of these people fleeing this consistent and unabated isis onslaught. the most people coming over the mediterranean as migrants have been syrians so far. i want to we've got a number that we haven't heard before. he believes that 10,000 isis

fighters have been killed. what do you think after that number? >> i'm sure toni blinken is radioing the day he said that to the media because body counts are not a smart way to talk about what's going on. i hate talking about vietnam but this is what bogged down people in vietnam. the idea of a body count. here's the thing. it doesn't really matter. what they're doing is getting thousands and thousands of more recruits and what they're doing is getting thousands and thousands of more acres of territory, whether it's in iraq or whether it's in syria. and the fight that the u.s. and the west has is not going well right now. i've spoken to the deputy cia director former mike morrell who said i don't see a strategy. even if we're doing something in iraq he called it a hammer. we have no anvil in syria. these two are inevitably linked. the u.s. and world powers got together in paris on monday and came out with no strategy.

one of the atems of strategy is to get the sunnis to band together and push back the extremists like they did in 2007. it is not happening. >> what about that argument to help arm the people fighting isis better? >> well, as you know this administration has gone back and forth over the last several year pooh-poohing the notion saying they'll do it not doing it. right now it seems to be as best i can find out from all of my interviews and conversations in the field that a small group of people are being armed and trained if at all. there is this claim from the field that the united states does not want to hand over weapons to the moderate rebels unless they pledge not to fight assad. well you know this is craziness on the ground. now assad is considered to be helping isis against the rebel -- >> why would the u.s. not want to fight assad? >> they don't want to get in the fight against assad. they want to fight against isis.

everybody who i speak to said that the two are link. you can't just fight isis. you have to have a strategy against assad as well. this is a big problem. all these years later, now not to be arming and training those moderate rebels which still exist, it's not too late says former president clinton to me recently says mike morrell to me recently. but it may be too little still and that's a problem. >> always great to get your information. thanks for sharing it on new day. big headlines. jeb bush announcing he's announcing. is he the man. conservative blogger targeted for beheading, pamela geller is this about free speech or the price of provocation or both? we have rudy giuliani joining us with his take on the big situations. ile has america's best unlimited 4g lte family plan. 2 lines of unlimited 4g lte data for a 100 bucks a month. need a phone with that? get the lg g4 for $0 down.

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you know how politics goes. you don't get it all at once. 1 is 11 days from now jeb bush

declares he's running from president. we have a big guy to talk about the head lines. mr. mayor, good to have you here. >> nice to be here. >> first the obvious, jeb bush getting in. do you believe he's the best you have in. >> pretty close. i mean right now i can't say for sure. i think jeb is someone i've known for a very long time. i'd be comfortable with him as president of the united states. i think he's just very very well-qualified on every front. i think the question for me and all republicans is who has the best chance of winning. so then you to also consider marco rubio, you have to consider chris christie. you got to look at a couple of the long shot kond dates like lindsey graham, george pa tacky with the experience he had, scott walker. but i would put him near the top. >> put him near the top. >> if you said to me he's going to be president of the united states, i would tell you the man extraordinarily intelligent and very very well qualified for the job, both by background and

by temperament. >> so if he were to become president of the united states at this point you'd say he'd have your support. but you do not know at this point that he's definitely your choice? >> really for reasons of i wanted to pick -- in my case i want to pick the one who has the best chance of winning. the way i look at politics it's important that we have a republican president to correct a lot of the things that i believe president obama is doing wrong. and i don't think hillary clinton will make those corrections. she -- i believe that had hillary been elected in '08 she would have been a better president than obama. but now we need someone to correct what obama has done and she won't do that. plus the questions that have now come out about her give me real real -- >> you think there's there with the allegations? >> i look at it as a former

federal prosecutor. there's in way she wouldn't be in front of a federal grand jury if i was u.s. attorney. >> on which allegation? >> the conflict of interest. we have lots of money going to her husband and to her husband's charity and her charity. her taking action favorable to the causes that paid money -- >> is it her or the state department and nine other entities and she she didn't really control it? >> that's what the investigation would be about. but there doesn't have to be a quid pro quo for a bribe, for a conflict of interest. if there was a quid pro quo we would be talking bribery. if she had knowledge, she have conflict of interest which bars you from federal office for the rest of your life. >> you think there's enough there, it's not just throwing it out there? >> i think there is way more than enough there to warrant an investigation. in fact i think pretty close to political, if you don't investigate. >> what does it mean that they're not? you think just because out's friendly administration?

>> i think this's sort of a question that the justice department is not investigating. there's also a serious question about how the charity is handle. i assume the attorney general of this state go after charities for far less than the allegations made about the clinton foundation where they say -- it depends on whose analysis you use. some of the analysis says only 10% get to charitable purposes, others say 27%. >> that' effectiveness of distribution of funds. >> attorneys general investigate charities like that. >> if they believe it's nefarious. >> at that number? >> doesn't mean it's good in sound. >> i'm going to tell you that. guaranteed. if these allegations came up about one of the republican candidates they'd be under investigation. >> here's an allegation.

you have been outspoken through your career that you don't like money in the game, you think it guys like rudy giuliani to getting to where he should be. there's criticism, there's no question that democrats are scared out of the field because hillary has so much money. jeb bush didn't announce because he wanted to play the game with the super pac. does that as one former fec member say make a mockery? >> no. it's legal. it's like -- >> that's a quick answer. i didn't say is it illegal. does it make a mockery of it? >> it's like saying somebody takes full advantage of a tax deduction. in the case of -- >> they're all playing the same game. leaders go first. should somebody try to stop this crazy money game? >> not by depriving yourself of becoming the president of the united states.

>> delaying the announcement other guys got it. >> they had to go raise the money. he had a different issue. >> but a big reason he's a favor favorite is because she's going to have so much money, playing a game that's unfair. >> that's the reason hillary clinton -- >> fair point rmg you play by the rules that exist, go change the rules and everybody will play by the new rules. >> is there a chance you can change the rules? >> there's a chance. >> super pacs are definitely legal. >> there's a chance that the rules can be changed or we can do it on a state by state basis. but the reality is it's hard to say to somebody i can get this advantage legally running, i'm not going to take it. >> unilaterally disarm. who is going to do that. >> that's not going to change it any way. >> another i want to put your mind to what is right under the law. you have a right to do but may mott be right to do. pamela geller being targeted by the psychoin boston.

do you support what pam geller does? >> i don't upt you know deliberate attempts to mock religion. >> but she has the right? >> but i defend with my life to right for her to do it. and i consider the level of wrongdoing in her case much greater on the side of the people who did what they did. >> with they tried to kill her. but you think what she's doing is a simple exercise of free speech? >> it is a simple exercise of free speech that will incite emotions and anger. you don't have to expect that somebody is going to start shooting at you. >> where do you draw this line? what happens? the if she has some media on a different network making this into a pure first amendment issue, she's having her right to speak denied that's what this is about, i don't see that. nobody stopped pam geller from doing it. she had her event. i think that's whipping people up under a falls assumption

which is that her rights are being chilled. that's not true is it? >> her rights are being chilled. >> how? who is chilling her right? >> people that are shooting at her. >> right. but she still held the event. she still has the right. >> that's because she has a lot of courage. you should haven't to have events under the premise -- it's like saying a group of people are going to protest the police but you're going to have to take the risk even if you do it peacefully because they shoot you. >> right. >> i think her right of free speech has been abridged. as a matter of taste, i don't agree. i have big questions about the muslim religion. but i know quite a bit about it. i read a lot about it. i once was going to be a priest and i studied comparative religion a lot. i know the questions she's raising. i know the questions that should be raceised.

she's not doing it the right way. i woulded a viesz her to do it in a different way. >> i appreciate your take. as always appreciate it. >> great to see you guys. well jeb bush making an announcement about his future today and former texas governor rick perry also announcing his candidacy. there's a new democratic challenger also john king will have all of this on inside politics. doesn't it seem like the wireless world today could use a smile? at cricket wireless, we think so. that's why prices for our plans are all in taxes and fees included. and we've got more 4g lte coverage nationwide than t- mobile or sprint. it's what makes cricket the happiest place in the whole wireless world.

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big political news day. let's get to inside politics with john king. hi john. >> good morning. remarkably busy day. i keep saying when is the slow day going to come. >> not today. >> with me to share their reporting, cnn's jeff zeleny. let's start with the one guy getting in today. we have a lot of republican presidential news to talk about. rick perry was a disaster last time. couldn't name three cabinet departments that he would cut.

he's running again. he's going to announce in texas today and here's a reason why rick perry says look again. >> a lot of candidates will say the right things whether it's about the border or whether it's about texts or spending, but we need a president who's done the right thing, a president who bridges the partisan divide rather than widen it. who brings people together. we must do right and risk the consequences. >> well produced video there. we were talking about this before we came on the air. e was a disaster last time. a lot of republicans rep remember that and they want to win the selection election. he has a remarkable retail political skills. will he get a second chance? >> he's kboipgs to try to get one. he's been in iowa talking to people. but there are people that are republicans that supported him early on last time and just felt luke they got burned.

and it's really really hard to reintroduce yourself when you had such a bad yolout last night even if you do have really hip new glasses. >> but fe he gets the chance there are parts of the republican establishment that say we'll be fine with rick perry. the tea party likes rick perry. he sent the national guard down to the border when president obama was asking whab are you doing here. >> that is exactly why he should not be ruled ou out. republicans do not rule him out. the tea party, the evangelicals the establishment. he fits all of those things. he told me last year when i saw him in iowa, he said second chances are what america is all about. the burden is on him. he's been going to school. he's been studying. going to be a more prepared candidate. we'll see. he had a higher bar but i do not count him out at all. >> scott walker maybe has the early edge in iowa. nationally there is no front

runner. jeb bush will make it official on the 15th. he's raising more money than anybody else. he has a lot to prove. he's talk about jeb's announcement. as we do so maybe you're a democrat and you're going to laugh. you may not agree with the policies but we're going to have potentially eight or current or former governors in the field. five current or former u.s. senators in the field and then the newcomers from the business world, ben carson. jeb bush thought he would be ahead of these guys by now. >> he thought he would be like his brother, 16 years ago next week is when his brother got into the race. boy what a different setting this is. he's not the front runner at all. he's not been keeping people out. one of the reason so many people are in is because he's not a strong -- he's not a threat at this point. >> hasn't scared them away. >> but his fund-raising number

will be muscular. but he has a lot of work to do. he is going to be begin this summer not in a strong position. >> he wants to say i have the franchise name. i can win the state of florida. i can raise a boat load of money and be competitive. but primaries are at etiology and he's at odds with the base a big piece of the base at odds with the republican base on immigration. he's open the citizenship for the undocumented people. how do you kons vince people to vote for him. >> that is his strategy. he started talking about getting into this race and there was this feeling that he was going to be this jugger knot that jeb bush was going to blow everybody out of the water. and it's possible when the fund-raising numbers come out he will blow everybody out of the

water. but the shock and awe didn't happen the way he wanted to. >> bob dole went on to win. he's move on to the democratic front run are at the moment. she had a new challenger jump in yesterday. lincoln chafee. check out and see what he has to say. let's focus on hillary clinton in texas today. she's going to give a speech about voting rights. some can be technical. she wants the make the case that republicans in several states are trying to make it harder for african americans and other to vote. it's important on the technicalities and the law but it's also critical for her central campaign strategy keep the obama coalition together and you can't beat me. >> she needs to energize the black voters more. they are not going to organically flock to her. but early voting an access to

voting is a big, big deal. after the supreme court decision in 2013 she's smart to talk about it. it fieds into her biography. in 1972 she was down in texas as a young campaign worker. but the reality is the voting laws are state by state. she can't call for this early voting national wide. she's giving a big speech to entice african american voter to supporter. >> it's symbolic calling for early voting in every state. it's truly symbolic. it's done on a state by state on a local basis. she can't make it happen. but talking about it is exactly targeted at that obama coalition that she needs. he doesn't need just to win the obama coalition, she needs a lot of them to show up. she needs to get big numbers. >> she needs energy and enthusiasm assuming she is the democratic nominee. i want to close with ted cruz. i don't know whether to give him

kred credit or chastise him. they gift it again and again and again. part of tud cruz's speech is this. >> you know vice president joe biden, you know the nice thing? you don't need a punch line. i promise you it works. the next party you're at just walk up to someone, say vice president joe biden and just close your mouth. >> now, again, it's a funny line especially for republican audience. he's used it dozens of times. the vice president just lost his son and the vice president is grieving right now. to senator cruz's credit they figured this part out and quickly apologized saying it was

mistake to use an old joke about joe biden during this grief and i sincerely apologize. very bad call quick apology. move on? >> he had to apologize no question about it. you have to wonder what was he thinking when he let that joke spool out. just a mistake and he cleaned it up as best he could. >> he was won of the politicians that put out a statement almost immediately after we heard about bo biden passing away and it was a sensitive statement. and this completely undercuts that. but of course he did apologize. >> credit to him for apologizing. the presidency is about making decisions just about every minute of every day. it's a downside that he made the judgment to put anytime there. >> john king thanks so much. see you tomorrow. an important medical story, the debate over mammograms heating up this morning president a what age should women start to get them? that's ahead.

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boston terror suspect plotted to behead pamela geller. >> it won't end with me. this is just the beginning. >> she will be live here on "new day." isis has a new weapon. their goal it's water, and it's to kill people of thirst.

>> they have to decide whether holmes was legally insane at the time he open fire in the theater. the expanding list of the republican hopefuls. >> today i am entering the race for the democratic race for president. good morning. welcome to your "new day." it's thursday june 4th. 8:00 in the east. we are learning more about the boston terror suspect and his isis inspired plans. of course he was shot to death by law enforcement when he came at them with a knife but turns out he was plotting to kill police officers and he had other targets. >> and the plot included beheading a controversial activist that organized the

prophet mohammed cartoon contest in texas. >> reporter: we are learning why police decided to move on rahim in the parking lot of a cvs. why did they act in a public place? well we learned in court documents that investigators believe that usaama abdullah rahim was working on a plan to attack police officers and behead a person. he had accelerated his timeline according to authorities. >> the original plot was allegedly sinister and gruesome according to law enforcement officials. the fbi believes boston terror suspect's plan was to behead pamela geller a activist and conservative blogger. according to an fbi affidavit,

he purchased the marine fighting knife on amazon on may 25th. the following day on the 26th he allegedly makes a phone call to 25-year-old david wright. wright is now being charged with destroying evidence on rahim's smartphone. rahim told his nephew about the knife over the phone and that wright later responded with a reference investigators, say, to terrorists beheadings. the next day on may 27th the fbi intercepts the package and x-rays the package and finds the knife and the knife sharpener. and he can't wait that long and instead he will go after the boys in blue and rahim reveals his plan to randomly kill police officers in massachusetts on tuesday or wednesday. this supposed escalation is what

prompted them to approach him at the shaupg center on tuesday morning. >> the video clearly shows four or five officers backtracking away from the suspect as he is coming at them. >> on wednesday, investigators showed the surveillance video of the shooting to community leaders. >> based on the video that we saw, i would 150% collaborate what the commissioner just stated. >> at the time when the community leaders watched the surveillance video, the family had not seen that video. as for the investigation into the alleged terror plot authorities believe that rahim and wright were in touch with a third person in rhode island and that person is unnamed in court documents. >> we will talk with pamela geller, and she is the woman

this man was thinking about beheading and she is here now to talk about what she is going to do about it. new this morning, isis cutting off the water supply to civilians. meanwhile, u.s. secretary of state, the u.s. deputy secretary of state, i should say, say 10,000 isis terrorists have been killed by american-led air strikes. that is causing controversy. secretary, thank you for being here. >> thanks alisyn. >> let me read to you and our viewers what you said this week that got a lot of attention about isis. you said we recorded more than 10,000 since the campaign started and this will eventually have an effect. do you still stand by that number? >> i do but the number in and of itself alone doesn't mean much.

we had 22 countries, the core of the 62-country coalition come together, and we have seen setbacks including in raw phaud rebut we have seen significant progress. isil controls 25% less in iraq since the coalition got together. and that's a big part of the equation. equally important is what the iraqis are doing to take advantage of that and what the entire coalition is doing to stop foreign fighters to get in iraq in the first place and stop them from radicalizing and the number is just one piece of them. >> it's that number getting so much attention because nobody has given a number until you did. where did you get that number? >> this is our best assessment and we talked about it for months and the thousands of isil fighters that have been taken off the battlefield. what is important is we have the

right strategy and are making the right adjustments. ramadi you have a predominantly sunni presence, and what the prime minister in iraq is doing now and the plan he represents to the coalition, is to mobilize fighters. getting arms to them more quickly and getting them mobilized and paid and that is moving forward and that's something the coalition supports. >> pentagon officials tells cnn this morning they are upset you used a number and they say it's their policy not to give numbers, so why did you feel it was important to talk about that number? >> this was in the larger context of putting it into context, and we had the setback in ramadi and it's important that people understand that over the course of the last nine months with the coalition coming

together we inflicted serious damage on isil and part of their strategy is a propaganda strategy and they are trying to tell people they are on the march and they are succeeding and moving forward and we are not, and it's the opposite. one element, it's just one element, and it's the fact that a serious number of people have been taken off the battlefield. people need to understand signing up for isil is a one-way ticket to a very bad place. >> part of the reason that number is getting attention is because for months we have heard the number of isis fighters is only about 20,000, and in fact our counterterrorism officials have said isis can muster between 20,000 and 31,500 fighters across iraq and syria, that so are you saying half of

isil has been taken out by the air strikes? >> there has been territory taken away from isil but second dealing with the flow of foreign fighters into iraq and syria, and if you wind up taking people off the battlefield and they are replaced by others you are not in a better pace. we have more than 30 countries passed new laws criminalizing foreign fighters, and we have turkey that has created a significant database and sharing information to try and get control of the border and all of that is important. >> is the current thinking that they have just been replaced and that now the numbers are actually larger than 20,000 or 30,000 in terms of isis and i mean as you know i don't have to tell you there is a huge debate in the country about whether the strategy of air strikes is working and whether or not it's time to beef that up? >> it's not just the strategy of air strikes and it's the

strategy on the one hand of air strikes, training and equipping and advising the local forces on the ground and then the local forces on the ground themselves and both parts of that equation has to be present. >> is it time to send more arms to the people on the ground and do more training because as you know the training on the ground for the iraqi army did not work in places like ramadi. >> what it means in anbar where ramadi is is about localizing people who will fight for their communities and their own lives. the prime minister's plan with the coalition fully backed is to get them weapons more efficiently and quickly and to get them the information they need and ramp it all up. that's what is happening. >> that is new information for us, and we appreciate it. thank you for being on "new day." >> thanks very much.

mistrial in the colorado movie theater massacre? no says the judge, for the second time. at issue, a video of holmes speaking to a psychologist. what do we know? >> reporter: good morning, chris. this is a sanity case and also a death penalty trial. the jury has been given some of the most important evidence in the case a glimpse inside the mind of the accused mass murderer as he tells a court-appointed psychiatrist how he killed and why he did it. accused killer james holmes says he was on a mission to kill when he open fire inside a crowded movie theater in 2012. >> did you have any doubt you would end up killing a lot of people? >> no. >> holmes describes the shooting in the mental evaluation ordered by the court yesterday, and it's the latest evidence shown to a

jury that will decide his fate. holmes said he felt calm when he entered the theater with a plethora of firearms. >> then i raised the shotgun and saw the people that were getting up like in the back corner, and i thought in that direction. >> he details in a notebook me writes the obsession to kill since i was a kid with age became more and more realistic, and writes specifically about his plan of mass murder at the movies, and easily performed with firearms and being caught 99% certain. >> insights into the mind of madness. >> the defense claims holmes was ill and tried to get help, and holmes says he dialed the

hotline right before entering the theater. >> i didn't hear anything for nine seconds. >> what was your thought when the phone call ended? >> i'm really going to do this. >> in the end, holmes surrendered to police after shooting dozens of people and killing 12. >> he wanted to protect himself and it's all about him. >> our kids didn't get that chance. >> holmes says he killed to increase his own self worth, and he says he believed that the value of the lives he took were transferred to him and called his mission a success. >> thank you for that reporting. at this hour, rescue workers cutting holes in the wall of the capsized cruise and hundreds of people still missing three days after the "eastern star" overturned during a violent storm. riots in a los angeles jail.

three stabbed and others wounded in the melee. the incident lasted about ten minutes before deputies were able to gain control. all four inmates treated for nonlife threatening injuries. the question is why? no reason for what set off the madness yet. and then marking the end of the 30-day mourning. >> when we think of sandberg we think of somebody has a mentor. her accomplishments ranging from high ranking executive at google and facebook, and she was tapped as one of the world's most influential people, and what we are learning also now is that she was very human. a heartfelt and pointant essay

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i enjoy challenges and certainly we have many facing america. today i am formally entering the race for the democratic nomination for president. thank you. >> who is that, you say? that is former rhode island governor lincoln chafee formerly announcing he is running for president. he will be the third democratic candidate to challenge

frontrunner, hillary clinton. where does he stand on some of the major issues facing today. lincoln chafee chaining us live on "new day" from providence rhode island. good to have you. a key distinction is you may be the only person in the race who has been a member of all three major parties. how do you explain that? >> yes, i started out as a liberal, moderate republican and then i was the mayor of my city and a united states senator and then became an independent and got elected governor as an independent and then while governor became a democrat. but my convictions never changed over the 30-year period. i have been convicted and strong on the environment and fiscal responsibility and aversions on quagmires overseas and these are convictions that never changed over 30 years. >> if you are going to get into the race now, hillary clinton is

there and you must beat hillary clinton to move on and face the republican. i know that sounds obvious, but the question is how do you do it? how do you beat hillary? >> all the problems we have in the middle east and with isis and rise of isis and taking of ramadi, and how did we get into the endless tragic quagmire and who made the mistakes that got us there and what are we doing there? in 2016 this should be a republican war and mess and we can't have a democrats our nominee having supported the war resolution in 2002, and i would submit to the democrats across the country, we are going to be compromised in trying to win the election in 2016 if the nominee support the war in iraq. >> it's a big issue for

everybody, every political stripe, what is going on overseas and the biggest knock on hillary in the polls trust trustworthiness. do you share those concerns? >> anytime you run for office trustworthiness is a main concern of the voters, and seeing the poll numbers should be a concern to her. the election is a long way away and the poll numbers and perception of untrustworthiness, it's something you cannot sweep away no matter what office you run for. >> should there be an investigation of conflicts of interest? what gives you the post pause for concern when you hear about the conflict and the e-mails, what stands out to you? >> i think it's the record just going back over decades of questionable ethical practices,

and people bringing up whitewater and all these things, and it just seems like it never stops. we are in the tenure of secretary of state and the e-mails and the clinton foundation donations at the same time the state department is making critical conditions that are combined with the donations to the foundation. i will say over my 30-year record in public office i never had any ethical questions about my behaveior for 30 years. >> what is one thing lincoln chafee would do that hillary clinton would not? >> mostly foreign policy. i served with her in the united states senate for six years and we agree on many things domestically but internationally we are different, and he is a hawk and more the unilateral approach to

the world and that's not working, obviously. i am more of the strong diplomatic core working to prevent peace -- to prevent war, like i say, wage peace is what i want to be talking about in this campaign, and averting war, and we can do that. we have to change the way we approach the world. senator clinton is too much of a hawk and that's a big difference difference. >> what is up with the metric system? why are you making that an issue? >> it's one of many things i think we should do in the united states to become more international. only three countries that are not metric. united states liberia and myanmar, and it's time to join the international community and it's symbolic, and i happen to live in canada when they went metric, and it's not that hard and 34 degrees, and you get used to that being outside when it's

34, and people say it's expensive, but the economic benefits outweigh the cost of changing the signs and the like. there are big economic benefits by going metric, and it's symbolic of us joining the world. >> us liberia and miramar? those are the three countries? >> yes. >> you have been a member of all three political parties and lived in canada as well, and you have been all over the map of finding yourself in the politics. what do you think was the big moment for you when you realized this is who lincoln chafee is? >> working on the racetrack was a very very important experience in my life and i went up there and didn't know anybody in alberta, canada and i learned a trade if i was not good at it they would not bring

me business, and i had a great business and met different people, and i lived on the racetrack for seven years and it gave me a lot of confidence and my convictions, which i talked about earlier, i can do this and i did it up in alberta, i did it on the racetrack and made a good living. >> let's apply it to the unknown, do you think american pharoah gets the triple crown? >> looks good. the trainer has come close so many times, and i think he can do it. he's come close. >> thank you. >> thank you for having me on the show chris. we are learning more about the terror plot thwarted in boston and an isis suspect wanted to kill police but first he wanted to behead pamela geller. pamela geller joins us live, next.

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original target for the terror plot of the man mad that wanted to behead her. geller as you may remember organized the draw mohamud event in texas that ended in gunfire last month, and pamela geller joins us now. before we get into the debate about what you do and what you are going to do how are you with these threats? >> i am fine or as well as can be expected. they are coming after me for violating the sharia violating the blaspheme laws and they mean to come after everybody that doesn't abide by voluntarily the blasphemy laws under the islamic law. >> it's one thing to have them attack what you say, and it's another thing for them to want to actively attack you. how has your life changed now since exposure of this and even before of what you thought you

may face? >> clearly i am under 24-hour guard now, so that dramatically changed. anybody that speaks critically of islam will find themselves in this position, and it's not new. we see this as going on across europe, and even in the middle east and africa in bangladesh. hundreds of thousands of muslims have marched for the death penalty for bloggers that they be put to death. it's interesting in muslim countries under sharia there is a death penalty, and in the west you are not assassinated but your character is assassinated if you criticize islam. that's where we are right now. >> you have thought -- maybe i went too far. this was not worth it and i am going to change what i do now? >> drawing an ainnocuous cartoon

warrants chopping my head off? that's too far? i understand this. they are going to come for you, too, chris. they are coming for everybody. and the media should be standing with me, particularly in light of foley, and by submitting to islamic law, that's what you are doing? >> how? >> by not running the cartoon, and by saying pamela geller goes too far in running a cartoon. it's the first amendment. what happened to give me liberty or give me death? >> but you have the liberty. you can show the cartoon. people have the equal right to criticize you showing the cartoon. >> we see jesus blasphemed on south park and we see mother mary emersed in dung and nobody says anything about that.

>> that's not true. those get criticize as well. >> villages don't get burned. i am asking you, we all don't like our religion mocked the roman catholics don't and the christians don't, and the show the "book of mormon" is viciously anti-christian. nobody is getting killed. i expect civilized behavior. it's the low expectation of soft bigotry. why don't you expect the same thing of muslims? >> you do expect it and have laws in place, and why so slight for slight with the muslims, and why not do what we teach, show that we are better than that? not show we can poke them in the eye in a way we don't like it? >> that's not what you are doing, you are submitting and

they are saying if you draw a stick figure and say it's mohamud, we will come and kill you, so you say, okay we won't draw it. cnn won't show it and the other major networks -- >> you know one of my problems with that is i did show the cartoon after "charlie hebdo," and i understand the security concerns of cnn as an organization, and you should as well. you knew there was a risk before and people that come to this event in their role as their form of patriotism and they may be exposed to violence because you are dealing with crazy people. >> they are not crazy, they are devout. >> they are not just devout. >> you have to let me finish. >> all right. >> you gave them that power. the danish cartoons in 2005 they are aowe innocuous.

>> i find you telling me things are offensive. this is what is required to live in a phrurlis eubg society. >> if the media had run those danish cartoons none of this would be happening. they couldn't kill everybody. >> you make it sound like this is what the war is about. >> yes, it is. >> no it isn't. they want everybody to live their way. the cartoon is the least of it. it seems like you are throwing a stone at something that doesn't help anything. >> throwing a stone at somebody that can get my head chopped off. >> that's why i am talking to you about it because it's one thing to say they don't like the cartoon and i will show it which is what i did after the "charlie hebdo" massacre. >> those cartoons they were obscene and pornographic, but i

will defend their right to show the cartoons and it's about the cartoons and freedom. this is a fight about freedom or submission. you are submitting. you can say i am not doing it for that reason but you are doing it. >> when i talk about these guys i say they are crazy and you say they are devout. i won't say their names. we call them murderers, and we say about terror what it is, it's cowardess. it's about sensibility, not surrender. mainstream muslims will say we don't like this. that was about stopping funding for first amendment speech piss christ. >> keep contradicting yourself. >> where is the contradiction? >> against the blaspheme laws

against the sharia what programs are being instituted -- >> sharia is not mainstream muslim thought, as you know. it's a cultural -- >> i don't know that at all. it's not a cultural -- >> it's the law through tradition. it's not laid out in the koran. you go to pakistan and you go to places in indonesia, they have parallel systems and that takes their tradition into play and they believe in justice the way we do here. muslims are not savages. >> i didn't say that. >> you say i have problems with islam, and you put your friend there who is a keynote speaker -- >> i have a problem with the sharia, and i have a problem with jihad. i don't care if you worship a stone, just don't stone me with it. you are wrong about the sharia

and jihad. i don't care about hinduism but the difference between cannon law is it pertains only to christians, and -- let me finish please. it's why christians are being slaughtered in iraq and syria in mass. what is the difference betweens islamic state and al shabaab? >> nothing. they are terrorists groups. >> and they are following literal islam, and following pure islam. >> we have experts all the time on islam -- >> who are the experts? i would like to know. >> i will have you the whole list. these are terror groups and nonmainstream groups. why teach people to view islam through the lens of the worst? >> people need to understand the

jihadic doctrine and it's coming from you, and mainstream muslims should be standing shoulder to shoulder in defense of our freedoms. this is absurd that we should abridge our differences. >> you know i embrace your right to do it and i bring you on here to discuss it and we will do it again going forward because i know this will not stop you, this event -- >> no i have a couple big initiatives coming up. >> i am glad you are safe and i hope you stay that way. >> thank you very much. back to politics for a second ted cruz making a joke about joe biden as he mourns the death of his son. what does that say about the candidate? that political debate ahead.

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surprise surprise. looks like jeb bush is going to be all in. >> i am shocked. >> he is announcing he will announce. >> the former florida governor. june 15th he says that's when the big announcement comes. we believe he is going to run. >> joining us democratic strategist and senior adviser to bill clinton, and commentator

and jeb bush supporter, ana navarro navarro, and here is jeb bush's announcement sort of something, coming soon, 6-15-15. anna you are an insider and what information do you have this morning? >> we have so many people announcing that we now have announcements for the announcements. this has become the normal thing in 2016. i think jeb has been through this journey for several months and he has been out there answering questions and shaking hands and listening to voters and he has been on the early states and raising a lot of money, and i think he is ready to reach a decision, and frankly, short of death, serious illness or getting kidnapped by martians i expect him to be in

on 6/15 and i can't wait in at last. >> here is my question why he waited this long? well he has been able to raise money unlimitedly with his super pac because he is not officially in the race which is legal and it feels like it's dirty pool. do you think he is playing the game too much? >> doesn't sound like dirty pool to me. i don't like these super pacs and it's what you are seeing christie do and walker do and the senators have federal campaigns and they have been fed kul candidates and the loophole is for those that don't have federal campaigns, and the loophole is there and they are being strategic and puts them in

a better financial position so everybody is doing it. there is more scrutiny on jeb because he raised more money and he is jeb bush and there will always be more scrutiny on jeb, but it's what the crazy laws to allow and you would be crazy to not take advantage of it. >> can i say to my friend anna let's be real about it. there has been no question jeb bush is running for president for many months now, and he is forced into the announcement this morning because of the increasing legal and political pressure he has been under to announce because he has been accused of violating the campaign finance law this weekend on cbs, bob schafer accused him of violating the finance laws, and two days of articles about this and this is another unforced error on the part of the jeb bush campaign. i was joking with anna earlier this morning, maybe it will go better for him now that he is an

announced candidate. >> what is the timing if not what richard says? >> i don't know what makes you guys think this was not the day that was planned to be announced. anybody who has talked to me for the last several -- frankly for more than a month, i was saying consistently i think it's going to be the third week of june. anybody in the press and anybody who has asked me and that was just an educated guess because that's what to me made sense strategically. i think it has been a strategicdecision and you can go on all your theories. he has been learning how to be a candidate, and i have seen him become a better candidate showily but surely in the coming months and i hope he is a lot better than what hillary clinton has been in the last month and a half. she is going to have have another soft launch.

she has nothing but is fake and arranged and orchestrated to look like campaign events. >> let's touch on something that happened with ted cruz because this is important. last night he made a joke that many thought was insensitive about joe biden. let's listen to this. >> you know vice president, joe biden. [ laughter ] >> you know the nice thing? you don't need a punch line. >> this of course richard, the week that joe biden's son, beau biden died. and cruz apologized online, and he said the loss of his son is heartbreaking and tragic.

does this say something about senator cruz? >> what do you say about something like this right? it's a most unfortunate moment in our political discourse, and everybody has been so sad for the biden family and he has been you know he is a family man at his heart, and his son had such a distinguished career and it's a sad story. what do you say about something like this? the man apologized. people get into this thing, and you give the same speech 100 times, and people are seeing the kind of discourse that ted cruz has got on his campaign trail. >> we have to leave it there. great to see you guys. thank you. that was bad stuff, and now we have good stuff coming up next.

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