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hat people will love for the watch, just like they created them for the phone. >> dan simon, thank you so much that's it for "the lead" today. turning you over to mr. wolf blitzer, he's next door in a place i like to call "the situation room." sll sll\s incomplies strategy president obama concedes there's no plan in place to train -- why won't the iraqis fight for their own country? we'll take you to the front lines. new secrets on how the reclusive leader of isis operates. why won't he allow cell phones in his presence and what role do the isis wives play in the terrorist group's operations two notorious murderers pull off a high-tech escape. where are they now? and excessive force, why were teens in bathing suits thrown to the ground by police. were officers targeting african-americans?
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i'll ask the head of the in naacp. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." president obama admitted today there still is no complete strategy for training iraqi troops to fight isis. after talks with world leaders, the president conceded that the united states and its partners are still suffering setbacks in that fight, even as the pentagon weighs a possible increase in the number of uss troops training and advising iraqis at the same time isis is now threatening a major iraqi base. we'll take you to the front lines. i'lle speak live with a state department spokesman, and our guests are standing by with full coverage. let's begin with jim acosta. he's in europe where the president has wrapped up his talks with the g-7 leaders. what happened, jim? >> wolf in a startling addition president obama acknowledged more than nine
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months into the battle against isis he is still developing his strategy for defeating this terrorist group. >> in the battle gentz eye says president obama conceded he's still in search of a path for success. after strolling through the bavarian alps with g-7 leaders, the president revealed he's tweaking what's been the cornerstone of his isis strategy. training iraqi forces. >> we don't yet have a complete strategy because it requires commitments on the part of the iraqis as well about how recruitment takes place, how that training takes place. so the details are not yet worked out. >> the president admitted even as the pentagon is drawing up a plan to boost training the government in baghdad is having trouble finding new fighters. >> one of the things we are still seeing is in iraq places where we have more training capacity than we have recruits.
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>> critics pounced with republican national committee asking what has president obama been doing for the last ten months, since he said this? >> i don't want to put the cart before the horse we don't have a strategy yet. >> iraqi prime minister al abbadi traveled all the way to the summit in search of more military aid. while at one point it looked like he couldn't get the president's attention, later received a promise that isis will be defeated. >> i'm confident that though it is going to take time and there will be setbacks and lessons learned, that we are going to be successful. >> isis wasn't the only dark cloud hanging over the summit. on russia's meddling in ukraine, the good g-7 offered a show the strength agreeing that sanctions on moscow should remain in place despite growing doubts in europe. >> the costs the russian people are bearing are severe.
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>> reporter: the man who could change that obama said is president putin. >> does he continue to wreck his -- and continue isolation in pursuit of a wrong-headed desire to re-create the glories of the soviet empire or does he recognize that russia's greatness does not depend on violating the territorial integrity and sovereignty of other countries. >> reporter: the white house knew it was for the going to get new sanctions against russia just walking out with the current sanctions in place is enough of a win for this president, even as his aides acknowledged they have not really changed putin's behavior. wolf? >> jim acosta in europe, at the g-7, thanks very much after capturing ramadi isis is pushing east threatening a
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key military basis where militia fighters are gathered. our senior international nick paton walsh is back from the front lines. he has a cnn exclusive. tell us how it went. you're back safely fortunately in baghdad. what's the latest, nick? >> reporter: wolf it's been very hard to get access to this supposed large counterattack that forces are mounting against ramadi ramadi. we have the first western television network to see the key base where they are supposed to be mounting these forces but find themselves frequently under attack from isis. a loren road leads to the iraqi base the closest the military has taken western television towards ramadi since it fell to isis. huge sprawling, it's meant to be where soldiers and militias both sun ir and shia are amazing
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to retake ramadi from isis but we're told they're mostly deployed outside. and here it is the iraqi army along the northern edge of their base in a vicious front line with isis along the river. isis has blocked a dam upstream to lower the tides and help them attack. it is minute by minute here the situation can change and that river bed very much the front line. they've been using water from the lake to keep its levels high but still, as you can hear isis are very close. they seem and watch isis daily, but say they are overlooked by coalition air strikes. they're supposed to give us some support now for war planes he says we're in control of the
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ground. what we need is air support. here caught between the isis towns of ramadi and fallujah they face 1,000 isis they think, but here he says he sees only a few with long beards and a flag here. but soon isis fires back. this is what happens when you poke that snake. they speaking of readiness and glory to come yet seem busied by an enemy far too close. now, wolf one of the key issues
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we learned on that base regards the sunni fighters that the government is trying to get together to help them fight for that sunni hard land there, remember the division here we were told by one iraqi official that on paper there are 2,000 sunni fighters but he said in reality there's about 500. we're told they're out and around securing the air. that is a vital flaw in the strategy here. it's what -- sunnis fighting for that sunni area, not being some large shippa paramilitary force, but alongside the iraqi army sweeping in. barack obama surely member aware of that where his 'trying to completely strategy. . >> nick thanks very much. nick paton walsh reporting back from baghdad. glad you're back safe and sound john kirby joins us from the state department. thank you very much for joining us. the president said today the united states his administration does not yet have
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a complete strategy for how to train iraqi troops in this fight against isis to advise iraqer troops. what's taking so long? i think what the president was referred to is the train and eye quip strategy isn't complete because there still needs to be equipment. you need more trainees and we're working with them on that. but make no mistake, we have training literally hundreds of iraqi troops and understand to get out there in the feel and fight. those that we have trained and held and equipped have done well out there. it doesn't mean it's perfect or not more work to do. i think that's what the president was referring to. the troop that were trained and equipped simply ran away and left their u.s. equipment behind. >> certainly there were issue there is in ramadi. i don't think it's much value revisiting the recent past. everything knows that things didn't go the way we would have
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liked them to go or the iraqis would have liked them to go. we have to keep working with the iraqi, to get this program more robust and help increasing the performance, the confidence of iraqi security forces in the field. >> what do the iraqis need to do the government in baghdad, iraqi military wharks do they need to do to conviction the united states to get and complete the strategy? >> it's a joint strategy. it's not about them convincing us or us convincing them. it's about being a team and that's what we're trying to get at. there are still some things we need to do to apply more energy and we're working our way through that. i don't think this will take very long to get to the answers we are looking for, but i think it's important to remember the boots on the ground that matter most are the iraqi troops. we have to stay committed to helping proved that are competent and confidence quite frankly on the battlefield.
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>> when i heard the president today say there was still an incomplete strategy that the united states is still working on it sounded to me -- i'm anxious to get your reaction john if it was designed -- those words -- tough words, if you will to put pressure on the iraqi prime minister al abbadi to do the right thing, to unite the country, not only the shia but the sunnis and kurds, and get some sore of coordinated strategy on the iraqi part. >> i think the president sass commander in chief was simply beg honest about the challenges that remain and stressing throughout today. not just him, but other members, that this has to be a concerted effort by everything in the collision. everybody has to continue to pull on the oars as hard and as together as we can. this is one of the components of the strategy that we all need to work just a bit harder at and that does include some additional effort by the iraqis
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particularly with respect to the population of trainee that is we want to get through this training. we have the trainers in place, the facilities they're stood up and ready to go. we certainly know how to do this in the american military. we know how to train indigenous forces. >> you heard ash carter the other day tell our barbara starr that the iraqi army simply did not show the will to fight. the question to you -- do you believe the iraqis have the will to fight? >> what we have seen is when they are trained, equipped well resourced, they are very brave, and can perform very well. while we're all fixated on ramadi ramadi there are other places in iraq where they have in conjunction with others have been able to push back isil. it doesn't mean there won't be defeats, but the facts of the matter is over the last nine
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ten months they have shown the capacity and capability to do this. they just need the support. against we're all committed to helping provide that support. >> stand by john. we have more to discuss, including a key question what is the u.s. mission in iraq right now? much more with the state department spokesman john kirby when we come back. the beast was as long as the boat. for seven hours, we did battle. until i said... you will not beat... meeeeee!!! greg. what should i do with your fish? gary. just put it in the cooler. if you're a fisherman, you tell tales. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance you switch to geico. it's what you do. put the fish in the cooler! if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me... and you're talking to a rheumatologist about a biologic this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my
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john as you understand it what is the mission in iraq today? >> our mission is to help degrade and defeat isil and their capables in iraq and in syria, quite frankly. this is a fight we're taking on with 62 other nations, lots of international commitment here but on the ground it is predominantly an iraqi fight. they're the boots on the ground that matter the most. in keeping with that part of the strategy we're dedicated to trying to improve their capabilities on the battlefield. >> it's not just to contain odegrade isis it's to destroy, defeat isis completely right? >> it's to defeat them and their capabilities absolutely yes. >> what is the estimate? how much will that take? >> we've been honest with this. we think it's a multiyear effort probably three to five is the best estimate that people have. it's going to take a while. that's why i think we continue to talk about the need to strategic patience here on the part of everybody who is watching this and following this
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very important fight. >> president obama emphasize theed need for political inclusion in report not only the shia but the curtis and the sunnis as well. when the u.s. talks to people in iraq do you have to just go through the shiite-led government? or can you have a direct dialogue with kurdish leaders, sunni leaders, and provide them weapons directly at the same time? >> you sort of have two different things whether we talk to other parties and how we're doing the arming and eequips. all the arming and equipping is going through the government but it's prime minister abbadi's government the central government in iraq the one we recognize, the one we worked through. back to inclusiveness, one of the reasons we are where we are dao and how isil was able to gain influence, is because the malaki administration over the
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three years after we left iraq did not properly look at inclusiveness, did not properly train, resource and equip and lead forces in a responsive way. that's one of the reasons why we're here and why we continue to talk about inclusiveness inside the iraqi government. >> let me shift gears and talk about a major u.s. supreme court decision today that involves the state department. you're the spokesman for the state department. the supreme court ruled 6-3 in favor of what you want the state department not only this administration but republican administrations, that american citizens who are born in jerusalem when they apply for a u.s. passport can only put their place of birth as jerusalem, even if they are born in pre-67 jerusalem. is that because the u.s. does not recognize israeli sovereignty over jerusalem? >> knolls has changed about our
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long-standing policy by administrations on bo sides of the aisle, that we don't recognize any state's sovereignty over jerusalem. >> why is that? >> well look this is a long-standing policy that we don't recognize any individual state's sovereignty over jerusalem. we welcome this decision because it also recognizes the president's authority to handle sensitive recognition determinations as he sees fit until his authority to conduct the foreign policy of this country, and to do so to have that recognition reaffirmed through officials documents. >> i want to be precise, as far as the u.s. government is concerned, you don't differentiate between the predominantly arab east jerusalem, which israel captured after the '67 war, as opposed to the predominantly west jerusalem, which israel has controlled since 1948? >> we don't consider there to be any state sovereignty over jerusalem. when we talk about jerusalem, we talk about all of jerusalem.
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>> john kirby, thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks very much coming up new information on how the reclusive leaders of isis operates. and what role to isis wives play in the operations? and an urgent manhunt is under way after two notorious murderers use power towels to break out of a maximum-security prison. why they could be anywhere right now. stay with us, you're in "the situation room." quiet! mom has a headache! had a headache! but now, i...don't. excedrin® is fast. in fact for some, relief starts in just 15 minutes. excedrin®. wow, that was fast.
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that daring u.s. commando raid that took out a key isis leader in syria, provided a wealth of intelligence information. we're leadershiping new details tonight. let's go to other pentagon correspondent barbara starr. where have you learned about the leader of isis is located, for example? >> well maybe not as a direct rule of that raid in particular but now cnn has learned that u.s. officials say there has been intelligence over the last several months at various points about possible locations for abubakar al baghdadi the leader of isis? the intelligence han incomplete too vail.
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specifically to go get baghdadi the intelligence hasn't been that good because the u.s. doesn't have direct operatives on the ground. so this has been very tough. how much the u.s. is chasing him. right now the intelligence assessment is he is staying in populated areas, very deliberately into you he knows that the u.s. won't strike if there's a risk of civilians casualties. so he nose the u.s. is chasing him and the u.s. is doing just that. we're learn how some leaders communicate? >> as a result of that raid you mentioned, indeed. they were able to capture his would you have. she has been talking a good deal about operations is it possible
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that the isis wives, the women of isis maybe they are used as curl injures, maybe they know a lot more than they've been letting on or that the u.s. thinks they are involved in because women don't attract that much attention. so it's a threat that the u.s. is looking at very carefully. barbara starr, thanks very much. let's bring in counterterrorism analyst philip mudd and douglas old vet. guys thanks to all of you for coming in.
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female it would makes sense that a female would be handling them in some way rather than male members of isis basically being their prisoners. that seems entirely plausible. >> i think it will certainly get a relook. we've always known that family members, wives, other family members, can and often are involved but there's a difference between suspecting and knowing. it sounds like we have better intelligence to actually know that some of these wives are involved. >> you would agree, i assume? >> i agree. this puts pressure on the u.s. intelligence community, back when we were hunting clade, they would not have ahn an operation like this. if you get women involved you talk about running raids and potentially detaining women, culturally in the middle east that will put a limelight on what the u.s. is doing, and
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raise a lot of questions about whether you bring women in for questioning. >> let's talk about this "new york times" that the report that buble into car al-- abubakar al baghdadi meets, but before they can get closing, these take away the cellular devices, explain why you do that. >> you look at the traditions of intelligence two ways to track something, what we call sources and wires, a human being who penetrates your inner circle and penetration of your communications communications. he's taken away we have those tools if the times report is accurate by relies on his security detail to make sure no phones are coming in the perimeter. that said over the cost of time back from the first takedown of al qaeda, abu
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zubaydah zubaydah they all go down eventually. if he will have some footprint of activity that analysts. he'll go down eventually. >> i think you're right, referencie but eamonn zawahiri the leader of al qaeda, the u.s. is looking for him still. >> eventually yes, but as phil said a long time keg a long time. >> what do you think? >> it took a long time to find bin laden. obviously he was being pretty careful, so yes, this can take a while. everybody knows the capability of the united states in term of surveillance so they obviously will be careful. >> how important is it to receive regional leaders face-to-face. he has to be nervous whenever someone gets close to him. >> it seems like a big risk. bin laden certainly didn't do though. he was always sort of
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communicating via courier. >> this is a huge risk. in this business movement is vulnerable. anytime these guys move he is presuming that is baghdadi is presuming that these guys aren't being followed either. >> he takes a huge risk whenever he receives anyone even though he believes that person is friendly. >> he does but other than the there's no substitute for face-to-face conversation. there's, and people are more candid in person so he has to do it. >> but i trust the three of you. >> of course you do. all right, guys thanks very very much. the update on the search for killers. where are they now? and later, i'll speak live with the president of the naacp about the growing outrage over a video he calls a troubling use of excessive force by police.
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both men who turned up missing early saturday morning used power tools to cut through walls and steel pipes. we'll take you to the prison in a few minutes, but first brian todd is joining us. we have new information, a detective who worked on richar matt's murder case. that detective described richard matt as quote, a vicious violent individual. >> he's very distinguishable. he front teeth are reporteding to metal, knocked on you by prison guards in mexico. he hayes a marine corps insignia on his right shoulder heart-shaped tattoos on his chest and left shoulder. david sweat may blend in more but both men are stone-cold killers. how dangerous and desperate are
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these guys? >> they are most dangerous, and clearly the activity indicates that they are extremely desperate. they will stop at nobody. >> rich art matt is serving in prison for killing and dismembers his boss. the murder took place in 1997 in new york. matt fled to mexico to get away served nine years there for killing a man in a bar fight, then was extradited to the u.s. to stand trial in the ricker son case. a detective in that case described him as psychotic. david bentley told "new york times" i've seen him inflit wounds on himself, break his own collarbone and not seek treatment. he's totally fearless and didn't respond to pain. in 1996 he broke out of a jail
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in erie county new york. david sweat's, the knowledge of his escape is equally chilling. >> it tears open old wounds, if you will tugs on emotional swings. >> he was serving a life sentence for killing a sheriff's deputy in broome county new york. tarsia was reportedly shot 15 times, then run over as he approached sweat and other burglary sweats in a park in 2002. the commanding officer at rikers islands said the detectives who worked on both cases could be in danger. >> i should say they should be very, very careful. let me say you don't escape just to escape. certainly freedom is sweet and that's one thing they want to do. once you are out, then you start thinking about it's payback time. >> in fact one former detective who word on rich art meat as case told me police contacted him and warned him of matt's
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escape. another detective said he is prepared to defend himself in rich and matt comes after him. >> there are really chilling details that you've her about richard matts, his whole operation operation. >> one of the detectives who worked on the case of this william ricker son, who he was kicked of killing, he said you can never turn your back on him. when he faced trial, a sniper was post outside the courthouse double the usual number of deputies an the glad that covered the wooden table for the lawyers was removed out of the concern that richard matt might break the glass and use the shards as weapons. that's how potential violent this guy was and is and that is why this is such a tense situation tonight. >> so chilling indeed. brian, thank you. the maximum security prison where the killers were held is
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known as also sigh beer xwra because of its remote location in upstate new york. let's go to jason carroll, who is on the scene for us following the manhunt and the investigation into how the two machine actually broke out. what are you learning jason? >> reporter: well the investigation seems to be focused on this woman who worked inside the prison. she apparently work with richard matt and david sweat, working with them tailoring clothing apparently knew both of them very very well. this woman has been brought in for questioning. uncleesh about her role how much she possibly could have helped them about you when you look at the way these two men escaped, a lot of investigators saying they must have had some sort of inside help. u.s. to review it quickly, it reads somewhat like a hollywood movie. remember both of these men were in cells side by side. they somehow got ahold of power tools and were able to cut through a metal steel wall and after that maneuvered and shim
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yesterday their way down a catwalk, then cut their way through another steel back. escapes through a manhole, even the governor saying after listening to all that they must have had some sort of help. >> there's no doubt in my opinion that they needed equipment they wouldn't have had, and they had to have the assistance of someone. we're looking at the civil employees and private contractors source if possibly a civilial xwlon aye other contractor was assisting this escape. >> reporter: you just heard so much about richard matt and david sweat et cetera violent past. having said all that they were housed in a section of the
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prison for good behavior, simply because apparently they had a pretty good record so they actually had extra privileges including access to be able to wash their clothes, access to extra types of things such as monitor and watch television things like that. right now a massive manhunt under way for them, some 300 members of law enforcement on the ground in this rural area. investigators saying at this point, wolf they could be anywhere. >> so basically because of their so-called good behavior as prisoners in this prison they had access to this woman who worked there, who is now being questioned by authorities? is that right? >> reporter: that is absolutely correct. and once again, there seems to be a question you know once they got on the outside, did they separate? did they change their appearance? did they have access to different clothes? if they were working with this woman inside the prison theoretically learning how to tailor clothes, there's already some theories floating around
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perhaps they should ability to get access to civilian clothes as well what a story that is of the jason carroll, thanks very much. coming up the growing outcry of a individual jo showing police breaking up a pool party, one officer even pulls his gun and the president of the naacp calls this a troubling use of excessive force, he's standing by. he'll join me here in "the situation room." ♪ the staff at this beautiful resort . . . will stay with you forever. ♪ especially if you don't leave. ♪ you got it booking right. booking.com booking.yeah huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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now on administrative leave amid outrage sparked by a video posted over the weekend. the policeman throws a teenage african-american girl to the ground pulls his gun on a pair of boys who are chased by other police officers. police were responding to a call about rowdy teens fighting in a pool party last friday. the naacp president and ceo cornell william brooks is here in "the situation room" thanks very much for coming in. all of us have seen the video which is pretty chilling. i must say. but you're going one step further. you want a full investigation, not only of the one police officer who's been put on administrative leave, but of the entire mckinney police department. why? >> why, here's why. we have an officer who is a supervisor, who grabs a girl by the hair slams her to the ground. treats her like chattel property. curses her, pulls out his gun and conducts himself in a way
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that dishonors his uniform, dishonors his badge, and dishonors the profession. and so the point being here is we're concerned that is this officer's conduct, an individual's conduct? or is it emblematic indicative illustrative of a department? this is a very serious matter. think about this. the question i would ask you is this. of the people who watch this program, which one of us will be comfortable having our daughter granddaughter, niece, treated like this? having a grown man straddle her as though she was some kind of property. this is just offensive, it's an assault on our collective dignity. the point being here is we don't need to relish in the fact that no one was shot. we need to think about the fact that these were children who were literally assaulted in terms of their dignity in the midst of a birthday party no doubt. >> she's wearing a bathing suit as we can see. clearly she wasn't trying to conceal any weapon or anything like that. she's only 14.
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we did see two other police officers run into the scene and basically tell this one cop who pulled his gun, hey, calm down these are a bunch of kids over here. there's no need to get that extreme. >> that's right. and while i find that behavior encouraging, the fact that this happened at all is alarming and concerning. we are in the midst of what feels like for many young people a pandemic of police misconduct. we have to take this seriously. and the fact that you had an officer pull his gun in the midst of a pool party, surrounded by children this is no minor matter. we have to take it seriously and we have to look at that police department. and we need to take a look at the fact that it was only after the american and -- >> arab, hispanic. >> some hispanic children were directed to sit. >> you think there's an element of racism here? >> if not racial profiling by
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policy perhaps racial profiling by assumption. the fact of the matter is we had one white person who was there say, i felt invisible. because all of these children of color were directed to sit down but i was not. >> let's quickly get your reaction to what happened in north charleston south carolina. the police officer, michael slager, who shoot and killed walter scott. all of us remember that video when walter scott was running away and the police officer shot him. he has now been charged. he's been formally indicted by a grand jury. your reaction? >> it is tragically encouraging. in the sense that we have an officer being held accountable. what we saw was what i can only describe as an execution on film. we have an officer discharge his gun into the back of a fleeing pedestrian. and the fact that he's being held accountable is a good thing. but it is not enough. we've got to be clear here. we have to hold police
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departments across the country accountable in the sense of doing more and stepping up to the plate. >> cornell brooks thanks very much for coming in. we'll continue these conversations. >> thank you, wolf. >> cornell brooks president and ceo of the naacp. president obama admits there's still no complete strategy for training iraqi forces to battle isis. . the iraqis ready to fight for their own country? as the u.s. and its allies agree to continue tough sanctions against russia president obama blames russia's president putin for any misery being felt by the russian people. n the seat it makes me think of a bmw. i feel like i'm in a lexus. you would think that this was a brand new audi. it's like a luxury car. feels kind of like an infinity. very similar to a range rover. this is pretty high tech. yeah it is. it reminds me of a mercedes. ♪ this is chevy? laughing i have a new appreciation for chevy. they thought about me. i could totally rock this. this thing feels pretty boss. it looks kind of dope. that's pretty cool. this is the jam. pretty bomb dude. maybe i will go chevy. i'm definitely in.
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