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lgbt community. >> this is a senator from conservative south carolina. >> we have to leave it. we will continue these conversations. that's it for me. erin burnett out front starts right now. breaking news. an international man hupthunt under way for two killers. they staged a prison break you thought you would only see in the movies. they question an employee that could have helped them get out. a police officer pulls his gun at kids at a pool party. a man who was there saw the whole thing and has a strong point you view. we have video, isis iraqi troops and a fire fight. our correspondent there under fire. let's go "out front." good
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i'm erin burnett. a search under way at this hour. 250 officers searching for two convicted killers on the loose. killers who staged an escape that sounds like a hollywood plot. authorities tonight say they have no idea where the men are. officials questioning a female prison employee. they say she helped the two men. a source tells us that she knew both of them very well. more on that in a moment. richard matt and david sweat broke out of a maximum security prison. officials baffled at how they got their hands on power tools, used them to cut through brick and steel, climbing through small pipes and shafltts and emerging out of a manhole a block away. they are extremely dangerous and desperate. richard matt 49 years old doing
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25 years to life for beating and then dismembering his former boss. david sweat, 35 years old, serving life without parole for murder. he shot and killed a sheriff's deputy at least 15 times. in a moment i will speak to the brother of that sheriff's deputy. we begin with jason carroll outside the clinton correctional facility. jason, this manhunt intensifying. it's incredible they were able to get out. they haven't been courtaught. >> reporter: there are 300 members of law enforcement on the ground right now as we speak. much of this investigation now seems to be focused on this woman who worked inside the prison with these two men. she apparently worked with them t tailering clothes. what is clear to investigators, they had help from the inside.
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cars stopped is at checkpoints on roads leading to and from the correctional facility. police looking inging for any clue as to the whereabouts of matt and sweat. this as investigators are trying to find out if the two had help breaking out of the maximum security prison. a woman who works inside the prison has already been questioned as a possible accomplice. both matt and sweat discovered missing early saturday morning. >> we are leaving no stone unturned. they could be out of state. they could be here. >> reporter: the escaped from the prison. it's the stuff of a hollywood screenplay. they used power tools to cut through steel walls. maneuver erded down a catwalk, emerging out of a manhole to freedom. >> you get a sense of exactly where the manhole is located. look right up here on barker
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street. you can see there a few prison guards standing right next to the manhole which is located just about a block or so away from the outer wall of the correctional facility. they stuffed their bunks with clothes as a decoy to fool guards leaving behind this note a racist cartoon with the words, have a nice day. new york's governor given a tour of their daring escape route. >> they needed equipment that they wouldn't have had. they had to have the assistance of someone. >> reporter: this man agrees. before he retired, he worked at the prison as a guard and inside the facility's machine shop. >> have a lot of people there somewhere. >> reporter: is it your thinking they may have had help from the inside or outside or a combination of both? >> probably a combination of both. you don't cut through steel wall without somebody hearing it. >> reporter: the inmates are extremely dangerous. the search for them searching from canada, 20 miles north of the prison, all the way to mexico.
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some 300 members of law enforcement in the manhunt which includes dogs and going door to door. this woman lives blocks from the prison and had her home and garage searched. >> some people said we were crazy living up here. i never felt in danger. i felt safer. >> reporter: your thoughts now? >> i'm with all of the added security police corrections officers every looking everywhere i really feel safer than we have felt. even with them at large. yes, it's a concern. but i don't think they are anywhere around here right now. >> reporter: dispartespite their violent past they were housed in the honor block where they house prisoners with good behavior. they have access to tv access to washers and dryers and things like that. for that reason investigators have to operate on the
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assumption because they worked with this woman in the prison and had access to tailering, that type of clothing because they had access to washer and drier, they have to operate on the assumption that these two men may have changed their appearance and changed their clothes as well. >> jason, thank you very much. the broome county sheriff, his office is assisting with the search. david sweat murdered a sheriff's deputy in 2002. this is a personal story for you. i appreciate your time. i know you are helping with the search. your agency is on the lookout. it has been more than 60 hours since they escaped. where are you focusing your search right now? >> what we're doing locally is interviewing all the people involved in the case 13 years ago. we're interviewing his relatives, any acquaintances. trying to track any leads down that come up. >> and so do you think that they
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are together or that they separated? what is your gut about where they are? >> my gut feeling is they're still together for a while. they can figure out where they are, how to get out of the area. it's in the middle flof the mountains. you have to find a way out if you don't have a vehicle. >> you think they are together? and you think they are there? >> it's a quick guess. we don't have any other reason not to believe that at this point. there's been no stolen cars reported, anything like that. >> important. your gut on this is important. no one noticed they were gone for seven hours. when you look at this now, as you are hunting for these men, how much did that seven hours set you back in trying to track them down? they got a seven-hour head start. >> i think -- i'm not sure how long it took to cut through the walls, the pipes and to get to where they are. let's say it took them two or
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three hours. that gives them three to four hours of a head start. it's quite a lead but tough to go on. >> david sweat was convicted of murdering one of your deputies. you know how dangerous these men are. what is sweat capable of? >> he's very dangerous because he mowed down a deputy ambushed him. the deputy was still alive and he went over to the deputy, took his gun away and then shot him right in the head. then he ran over him with a truck. >> sheriff, we appreciate your time tonight. thank you, sir. >> you are welcome. >> on the manhunt for these two convicted killers. bill stanton, former nypd officer and private investigators. we don't know if they have food money. you heard the sheriff. his gut is they are together. they are in that area near the prison. which is an isolated area. what do you think? >> i think this is a fascinating case to study after they are
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apprehended. i think this has been planned on for months if not longer. i look at this as two phases. first phase, get oustt of the prison. it would be remiss to think they haven't planned to the meticulous every i dotted and t crossed what they would do after they escaped. >> you think they planned this for months or years? >> possibly yes. >> the nature of this escape is so precise. >> and i think they are separated, because everybody is looking for two. count on these guys looking nothing like they look in these pictures. these guys are vermin they are filth, but they are smart. they probably may be wearing wigs costumes. out of the country or hiding in place. >> interesting you think that they may be separated, which is an interesting angle to this. i'm curious what you think about whether they can pull it off. it has been 60 hours now. do you think they can pull it off? >> well as i said they are either hiding in place, which i would consider doing.
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if they had the resource and money and people were helping them outside, they may be in a basement or some apartment doing an anne frank hiding. they could walk away. or they are out of the country. >> what do you think about the note have a nice day with the racist asian eyes? >> that was a middle finger to the system. now they are in cinematic history. that's why this is so compelling and interesting. i guarantee you, their back story isn't as romantic as we saw in the movies. >> thank you very much. one of the men police are hunting for is said to have metal teeth. police say he has a history of cutting himself. he does not flinch when he breaks a bone. under isis fire on the front lines today. >> under fire.
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>> reporter: richard matt is by all accounts very distinguishable. his front teeth are reported to be metal, knocked out by prison guards in mexico. he has a marine corps tattoo. david sweat may blend in more. both men are killers. how dangerous and desperate are these guys? >> they are most dangerous. and clearly, their activity clearly indicates they are extremely desperate. both of them killed people. one of them dismembered his victim. they will stop at nothing. >> reporter: richard marttt is serving 25 to life. the murder took place in 1997 in new york. matt fled to mexico to get away served nine years there for killing a man in a bar fight,
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then was extradited to the u.s. to stand trial in this case. a detective from the case described richard matt as psychotic. owe told he said i have seen him inflict wounds on himself, break his collarbone and not seek treatment. he is totally, totally fearless and doesn't respond to pain. this isn't matt's first escape. in 1986, he broeblgke out of a jail in new york. for those who dealt with david sweat's case the knowledge of his escape is equally chilling. >> an event like this with sweat escaping tears open old wounds, tig . >> reporter: he killed a sheriff's deputy. he was shot 15 times and run over as he approached sweat and other burglary suspects near a park in 2002. a former commanding officer at
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new york's reichyker's island says the detectives could be in danger. >> they should be very, very careful. let me say, you don't escape just to escape. certainly lyly freedom is sweet. once you are out, then you start thinking about it's payback time. >> reporter: one former detective who works on matt's case told me police contacted him and warned him of matt's escape shortly after it happened. another detective who helped put matt away told "the new york times," he is prepared to defend himself if matt comes after him. >> brian todd thank you very much. joining me on the join, the brother of the sherr roughiff's deputy who was murdered by david sweat in 2002. you heard the sheriff talking about this horrible murder. this has to be something awful for you and your family. when you heard that he had escaped, what went through your head? >> i was surprise edd and i
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couldn't believe that he got out. >> and we are learning tonight, stephen, that these two men were being held in what's called an honor block of the prison which i understand basically means they got liberties for good behavior. late night recreation maybe additional time to watch tv. were you surprised at that? >> yes, i was. i was under the assumption they would never get anything. their life would be miserable. that's what we wanted. >> so when you look at the other details here that they had some kind of a power tool they were able to saw through these tubes. they were able to get out of the manhole. they left behind that yellow note with the words, have a nice day. as the brother of someone who was so brutally murdered by one of them when you saw that is not, what did you think?
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>> i was pretty disgusted. who would be in the right mind to help them do this? they can do it all over again. >> your brother was shot at least 15 times from what we understand. i know this is making you relive it, having to go through all this. do you believe these men would commit the same violent crimes again if they felt threatened now? >> if not worse. they don't have no -- nothing to live for. they don't care about anything or anybody. they won't go back. i don't think they will go back without a fight. >> if not worse. you know how dangerous david sweat is. what is your message to the public tonight? >> call the police and be careful and stay away from them.
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combe be careful. >> i appreciate your time tonight. thank you, sir. >> thank you very much. >> sawing through the cell wall crawling through pipes, sounds like shaw sanka movie. >> reporter: as the manhunt for matt and sweat entenseintensifies, it's drawing pair lets to a film in which a convicted killer spends 17 years digging his way out of prison using a rock hammer. >> like i said in prison a man will do most anything to keep his mind occupied. >> reporter: the main character crawling through walls and a pipe to escape much like matt and sweat who used power tools to cut through steel walls. they also left decoys in their beds to trick guards into thinking they were asleep.
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so did the three prisoners who escaped from alcatraz in san francisco in 1962. they dug through prison walls and made rafts out of rain coasts in a bold escape. their story the subject of another movie starring clint eastwood. the escaped convicts whereabouts unknown to this day. in most escapes, authorities eventually catch up with the inmates. in 1984 six death row prisoners took over a housing unit at a correctional center in virginia before stealing un forpiforms and making an escape. all were captured within three weeks. in 2000 it took authorities nearly a month to track down the texas seven, a group of murdered and violent fell onons. the reward reaching $440,000. authorities in new york are
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offering $100,000 reward for information leading to the capture of matt and sweat, two convicted killers who authorities believe may have had help with their escape. much like a serial rape suspect who broke free from the miami-dade jail in 2005. he was captured a week later. he wasn't brought back to this facility. he was taken to a different one while he waited for his trial. his escape left people in this community on edge much like the people in new york right now. >> thank you. video you will see only "out front." nick paton-walsh in the middle of a firefight. cell phone video. a police officer pulling his gun on unarmed teens, many of them
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breaking news. new video from the front lines of the war against isis. our reporter under isis fire. that's nick paton walsh live tonight in baghdad. what you experienced, pretty stunning. we will show it to viewers in a moment. you saw isis going all out. >> reporter: absolutely. the place we have come back from is the key military base where iraqi pro-government fors areces are
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supposed to be amassing. instead of them leading an assault against isis we saul them very much on the receiving end of isis' fire power. under fire near ramadi isis just across the river. the iraqi army leads us out. this their stronghold where they speak of readiness and glory to come, yet seem busies by an enemy far too close. here it is the iraqi army along
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the northern edge of the base who were in a vicious fight with isis. isis have blocked the dam up stream to lower tides and help them attack. it's minute bin minutey minute here. the situation can change. the riverbed the front line. they have been use wag ter from the lake to keep its level high but still as you can hear, isis very close. they see and watch isis daily but say they are overlooked by coalition air strikes. they are supposed to give us some support now, he says. we're in control of the ground. all we need is air support. here caught between the isis towns of ramadi and fallujah they face a thousand isis they think. but here he says he sees only a
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few with long beards and a flag here. we learned vital information about what exactly will be in that counter attack for us to retake ramadi. you saw iraqi military there. they are in reasonable amount but not the amount they would like it's fair to say. there are many shia militia fighters too. washington wanted this badly. there aren't that many sunni fighters. they are refighting for anbar. they want sunnis part of the iraqi sectarian to assist. they have 2,000 sunni fights on paper but only 500 in reality. that's a flaw in the plan. >> thank you very much. the white house communications director thank you for being with us. >> great to be here. >> we just saw that exclusive
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report. our reporter under fire today from isis near ramadi. of course secretary kerry three weeks ago said isis would be defeated he said within days. why hasn't that happened? >> well we have always known this would be a long road. ramadi is an area where isil has obviously come back. they have come back and they have been fighting hard. you saw that president obama met today earlier today with the prime minister to talk about not only what we can do but what they can do to continue to improve the capabilities on the ground. this is going to be a fight that we're going to have to keep at over the coming months not just many in ramadi but also in iraq. >> the president did meet with the iraqi prime minister. he talked about fighting isis in iraq. here is what the president said. >> we don't yet have a complete strategy because it requires
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commitments on the part of the iraqis. >> he doesn't have a complete strategy. ten months ago he didn't have a frat strategy for isis yet. how is there still no strategy? >> i think it's important for anyone to look at the full context of his remarks. what he is referring to is that we're constantly evaluating how we're going to increase and ramp up the training and equipping of iraqi security forces. in are aramadi, this is where the iraqi security forces there did not benefit from the training that we have been doing in other parts of iraq. one of the pieces that he spoke with the prime minister about was about the need to increase recruitment, do baltimoremore outreach to sunni tribes. we need there to be more unity among all of the factions in iraq. >> at the g7 there was an awkward moment. we will show it to our viewers. president obama talking to the
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head of the imf and italian prime minister. the iraqi prime minister walks over. the president turns his head continues his conversation. while then about 40 seconds pass. the president gets up to leave. the iraqi prime minister looks at his watch. his translator throws his hands in the air. everybody walks off. president obama must be really frustrated with the iraqis. >> i wouldn't put it in those terms. one, it's fun to always look at footage and evaluate and guess what's going on. i think in this case this is much ado about nothing. i have to say that we think of the iraqi team the iraqi government as a partnership on taking on isil. obviously, the prime minister came in a year ago and really had a huge hole he had to dig out of it as it related to moral and preparedness. the president talked today about how there is more than can be done.
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the fact is he knows how challenging this is. who knows what was going on during that video footage? i don't think it's any reflection of the president's respect or what he thinks about the prime minister's leadership. >> thank you so much, as always. >> thank you. another stunning failure for the tsa tonight. a department of homeland security report has found that the tsa failed to identify 73 aviation employees with links to terrorism. let me explain. these people were employed at airlines and airports. they were vetted by the tsa. they were cleared to access secure areas. and they were on terrorism-linked watch lists. the report found the tsa lacked controls to keep people with criminal histories and illegal status from getting a job. this is an investigation and revealed how much of your tax dollars are wasted by the tsa. go to cnn.com to see our report. police calls for a pool party. one officer hitting a girl and
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administrative leave tonight. some are arguing his actions were justified. nick valencia is out front. >> reporter: this is where you got hit? >> yes. >> reporter: she's still emotional about what happened. seen here on video, she was one of the teens at a pool party in this dallas suburb. the officer, who is now on administrative leave, struck her in the arm and face. what do you want to see happen to the police officer? >> i really want -- i think he should be -- it shouldn't be a suspension. he should get fired. >> reporter: sorry isn't good enough? >> it's not good enough. sorry -- it could happen again. he hit me in the face when i tried helping the girl. when two more guys tried, he pulled his firearm out. >> reporter: it's a memory she won't soon forget. >> when he pulled that out, it was kind of like that's the
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reason didn't run away because i was frozen. i was just like -- >> reporter: you thought you were about to get shot? >> yes. >> reporter: the officer was one of a dozen who responded to reports of a fight at community pool. her father says there's only one reason why this happened to the group of teens. >> i think the only reason is because they were black. that's my only recourse. >> reporter: jordan gray saw things differently. do you think this has to do with race. >> nothing with race. >> reporter: what does it have do with? >> with just a group of teens getting together having a good time. >> get on the ground. i told to you stay. get your [ bleep ] on the ground. >> reporter: not everyone is angry at the police officer. some are outright defending him. >> i think he deserves a medal for what he did. >> reporter: this witness says she's afraid to go on camera after neighbors who supported the officer received death
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threats. >> i want everyone to know that that police officer along with everyone else they were completely in the right and protecting everyone. he was not out of line. i completely support him drawing his weapon or whatever it was that he did pull. because he was being attacked from behind. >> reporter: within the last 30 minutes, we received a statement from the police union here who said the incident we saw on friday was absolutely not racially motivated. they go on to say that no police officers within the police department practice racial or bias-based policing. a rally is currently under way being attended by community leaders. residents a spoke to believe the rally is on its way here. erin? >> thank you very much. it's a fascinating report. i want to go to a local radio personality who lives in the area where it happened. he saw it happen. you were feet from this when it went down.
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let me ask you, what did you see? >> i think -- let me clarify. you cannot take a seven minute clip and use that for evaluation for a 30-minute incident. what i did see before the cameras or the video started going is that the teens jumping over the fence after security were telling them they can't come in to swim. it's because they didn't live in the community itself. you can have two people -- two guests come with you as -- two guests come with you to the pool. what happened is real simple. it was a pool party. it was a nice pool party. everything was fine. when it got on social media, what happened people from outside the community started coming. once they couldn't get access to the pool that's jumping over the fence, that's the cursing at security guard, that's -- then the fights broke out. then that's what the police caught. this perception that my
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community and people that were living there said it's a black party, call the police we don't want black kids in the pool is false. from that point. >> so -- i was going to ask on this issue of race you heard the teen in the bikini her father say this is absolutely about race. then in the piece by our reporter he spoke to a young black man who was there who said this was -- had nothing to do with race. so you have both sides there. it sounds like you are saying this was not about race. >> i do not believe that this was about race. what this was was a teenage party that got out of control. it was 100 good kids having a good time. out of the 130, predominantly african-american seven knuckleheads ruined the whole thing for everybody. that's what this is all about. i don't think -- i do not believe that officer showed up to the subdivision with the intention, i'm going to go out and swing black kids around. i do not believe that. that's not the way the community is set up. that's not the community we live
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in. amidst death threats that i have received and the banning of my radio show my neighbor had to send his son away because he is receiving death threats. >> you will get threats, because you are saying this wasn't because they were black? right. according to everybody else i am an uncle tom now. just like my friend brian who was actually on the video helping break up the fight and even giving kids water, he is now a skinhead nazi. that's not what it is about. this has been sensationalized by social media types. they are looking for a story. we as a community, the black community, have other issues to deal with other than flights of fancy and made up stuff that we -- we need to address the real issues with our community, our society and country versus just because, you know somebody is mad.
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republican presidential candidate lindsey graham takes a big stance welcoming transgent der caitlyn jenner to the republican party. that makes her a standout in a pack of republicans don't embrace transgender. >> caitlyn jenner sparked a new culture war inside the drop. president obama and other democrats hailed it as kramgious. republicans are walking a finer line. >> if she wants to be a republican she is welcome into
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my party. >> reporter: senator graham embraced her into the republican party on "state of the union." >> i haven't walked in her shoes, i don't have all the answers to the mysteries of life. i can only imagine the torment that bruce jenner went through. >> reporter: the republican party's big tent is facing a new test of tolerance. rush limbaugh and other talk show radio hosts have been scolding. >> we should not be veb grating and encourageing this. >> reporter: scott walker and other gop candidates have declined to join in the criticism. >> it's a personal decision. >> reporter: mike huckabee joked in a february speech he wished he could have been traps gender in high school. >> i'm pretty sure i would have found my feminine side and said coach, i think i'd rather shower with the girls today. >> reporter: by last week huckabee was eager to change the subject. >> i'm running for president.
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it's not to, you know entertain the masses with comments on the culture news of the day. soily' a soily so i'll continue to focus on the things people are far more plugged into. >> reporter: rick santorum told reporters if he says he's a woman he's a woman. my responsibility as a human being is to love and accept everybody. republican gratstrategists say it must show a new face of acceptance. their burden is doing so without alienating their base. in an interview with diane swauier before his transforms was complete jenner said he was a republican. >> i'm kind of more on the conservative side. >> are you a republican? >> yes. is that a bad thing? >> jeff could this backfire on senator graham? >> sure especially in a republican primary where social conservatives hold so much
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influence. erin the bigger picture what republicans are trying to do to appeal to young and women voters to be more tolerant accepting party and a bigger test is come up in the future here the supreme court's rule on gay marriage that gives the party a bigger thing to wrestle with. >> a bigger one that affects more people. jeff thank you so much. out in an update on the horrifying lion attack on an american tourist. we have a photo of the moment before the mauling. this picture taken from the car right behind shows the lion is jumping up to the suv's open window. she was almost as tall as the suv, the lioness quickly forced her muzzle inside, biting catherine catherine chappell in the neck who died moments later at the scene. now that he's won the triple crown the hard work begins apparently. that's next. you wouldn't haul a load without checking your clearance.
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american pharaoh's next big win set to rake in $7.5 million a yearor decades to come. how? you'll see with jeanne moos. >> reporter: american pharaoh is definitely a ladies man when it comes to human ladies. >> unbelievably amazing. >> wow! baby! i cried! >> i was so excited. >> reporter: maybe the horse isn't the one who needs a cold bath but mres are what will excite the triple crown winner. >> he a really cool dude. >> reporter: destined to become a stud breeding four times a day and making $75,000 to $100,000 each time his owner told abc news. >> when you retire what you do is eat, play and have sex. >> could be worse. >> sounds exhausting. >> reporter: maybe to you, dan, but the president of wind star farms says it comes natural to stallions. they enjoy it. >> every now and then you might
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have a horse say hey, i'm kind of tired of this but very rarely. >> i have a headache. >> ha. >> reporter: american pharaoh's dad, pioneer of the nile lives at wind star farm and his stud fee made double thanks to his offspring's triple crown success, from $60,000 to perhaps $120,000 per session. some horses take just a minute or two. pioneer of the nile takes his time 20 minutes, to breed a mare. >> he doesn't come in and want to get the job done right away and courts his mares, lick them on their flank, knicker at them a little bit. >> reporter: even a triple crown winner shouldn't expect privacy. around four handlers stand by during breeding wearing helmets. >> you can get bopd in the head. >> reporter: they wear flak jackets? >> they do. >> reporter: don't expect any barry white music. ♪ jeanne moos, cnn, new york.
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