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chris cuomo. good morning. welcome to your new day. it's 8:00 in the east. we do have breaking news for you this morning. overnight hundreds of protesters demanding a police officer in texas be fired. why? because he did this. he was pulling a gun on some teens, slamming a 14-year-old girl to the ground all on video all because of a pool party. >> and that officer is now on administrative leave. but there are other major developments in two other high profile cases in ss in possible use of excessive force. >> reporter: good morning. many in this community calling for the resignation or firing of mckinney police officer. hundreds showed up to protest against police brutality and excessive force. some supporting him, going so
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far as saying that he deserves a medal for what he did, justifying even his unhols ertering of his weapon. those teens would not have been detained if they were white. >> i was one of the only white people in the area when that was happening. and you can see in part of the video where he tells us to sit down. and he kind of like skips over me and tells all my african american friends to go sit down. >> we reached out to the mckenney police department. we heard back from the union saying that the police officer's actions were absolutely not motivated by race. they're standing by the police officer. >> now to an update on the tamir rice case. community leaders in cleveland
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taking justice into their own hands about the shooting of 12-year-old rice. they're trying to use an obscure ohio law to get murder charges against the officer involved in the boy's death. >> this is really an interesting turn in this case. it goes like this. it's clear that the family members of tamir rice they want to see two officers charged with murder and prosecuted for the shooting of the 12-year-old. what they're doing is they found this obscure ohio law that essentially allows any citizen that has knowledge or facts of the case to get to a judge with affidavits and demand that there be an arrest. they're going to ask the judge to arrest the two first responding officers and charge them with murder. it doesn't circumvent the grand
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jury because in the state of ohio everybody has a right for their case to be heard in a felony by a grand jury. but it could mean these officers would be arrested very quickly, rather than waiting for a grand jury to deliberate render some kind of decision and then issue an arrest warrant. we'll be following it. >> be sure to stick with cnn for that. meanwhile, a frmormer south carolina officer indicted accused of shooting a man in the back after a traffic stop. the officer has been fired and faces live in prison if he's convicted. two cold-blooded killers four days on the lam now. here's the latest. a female prison worker is being questioned because she knew these cold-blooded killers, quote, very well. cnn is live in new york outside
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the prison. what are they thinking not just about the plan to get out, but the plan to stay out? >> reporter: that is one of the big questions right now, chris. because while investigators are going to find out if this woman had direct contact with these prisoners and helped them the concern is these fugitives may get more desperate and hurt somebody. we're getting a better sense of what life is like behind the walls you see behind me here and even what the parts of the prison were like. that's coming from a man who spent many years working here. the intense man hunt is spreading. the fugitives could be anywhere from new york's north country up to canada or even south into mexico where 49-year-old richard matt is believed to have connections. >> we really need the public to call in. >> reporter: a law enforcement
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source tells cnn an employee is being questioned as a possible the accomplice. she hasn't been charged. a man who claimed to have confronted the escapees in his back yard talking exclusively to abc news. >> they were looking around a little bit. they ran out of the yard. >> reporter: many think they could not have done it alone. >> they redid that wall twice since i've been working here. >> reporter: this man worked behind these walls for three and a half decades. he said he retired from his job as maintenance supervisor of the prison. >> there is so many tunnels and all the attics all the catwalks. it's a big maze. >> reporter: they used that maze. >> they used the maze. they knew exactly where to go. >> reporter: he suspects the
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escape plan took time and serious know-how. cutting into the wrong steam pipe at the wrong time could have been deadly or at least blown the inmates' cover. >> you have low pressure. i believe they cut into a low pressure line because they couldn't cut into it. >> reporter: like the rest of his neighbors, he waits ang shlly forshl ly -- anxiously for a pair of cunning criminals to be back behind bars. at least 300 leads have already been received by investigates many of them coming from the regions here in upstate new york. others from as far as mexico or even not far from here in canada. but investigators say they promise to follow up on every single call.
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the main pryiority here is to track them down. >> they are focused on this female prison worker because she knew the inmates well. she worked with them tailoring clothes at the facility. let's discuss what they know what they don't know and what they need to know with a security officer. it is our way to ask things as questions. but there is a certain point at which speculation becomes obvious. do you think there's anyway that these guys did this all themselves? >> it's impossible for them to have done this without any help from the inside and the outside. in fact this the whole issue poll polarizes the security gaps. they're going to have to look at best practices. there's no question in my mind that not just one person but possibly many people helped these guys pull this off. the tools, why were there power
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tools in the cell block? how did they avoid detection for so long? personal security who's responsible for hiring people in the prison. and three, risk mid gas station. in the security field, that's a big deal. what are our risks, who's addressing them and who's developing plans and protocols to midtigate them. >> the question is shouldn't someone else have heard a steel wall being cut through? >> remember it might not have been a thing that happened over a course of days or weeks. they may have been planning this and using those tools over a course of months a little bit at a time. just out of a movie. but this is no movie. these are dangerous people and they are on the loose. >> they had to know something about where they were going. there was initial speculation that they just followed the main steam pipe down and out. we're hearing more information.
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no way. it is a maze. >> this prison is 150 years old and no one has ever escaped from it. they had to have help. they had to have access to the architectural drawings for the critical infrastructure inside of that prison. they had to have received that from somewhere. it didn't all come from one person. i wouldn't be surprised if there's more than one, two, three or five people that helped them on the inside. >> not only did they find a way out, they found a way to stay out so far. what does that tell you about what they arranged for the outside? >> someone on the outside was helping. when you're on the run as a fugitive -- and these two guys have been in more than they've been out. so they're going to have to commit more crimes to sustain themselves. look at what happened with eric frame up in the mountains last year. he didn't go far from his comfort zone. 12 hours is a long time.
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they could be in mexico the united states or in canada. these are dangerous individuals to anyone who comes in contact with them and the police. >> and they're far from prerkterfect. they showed up in someone's back yard. what does that tell you about how long something like this takes? >> that tells me that their escape plan wasn't perfect and had holes in it. maybe they were looking for someone that didn't show up. that might be the case. you best believe the united states marshals the fbi, the police are on the job. they're going to follow leads. there's a reward on the street $100,000. whenever you put money on the street people get answers. >> they expect this to be violent when it ends that these guys don't want to go back. they've both shown an ease with
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kel killing. >> one kill add sheriff deputy. the other killed his boss and dismembered them. these are the worst of the worst and i expect an altercation. jeb bush is embarking on a six-day trip to europe. the former florida governor testing out his foreign policy chops with visit to germany poland and estonia. a region that was not too fond of his brother's policies. we're live in berlin. >> reporter: he's expected to speak in about four hours. she's he's going to be speaking to the christian democrats. it's not clear if angela merkel will be having a one on one meeting with jeb bush at this point. the focal point of his speech we understand is urging tougher action on vladimir putin, on
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russia's aggression in ukraine. ukraine must be permitted to choose its own path. that may be all well and good for politicians here but if you ask the average berlin resident they don't have any idea really who jeb bush is. they just associate him with his brother and the iraq war, which is perhaps not an association his campaign was hoping for here. >> all right. i mean that's why you grab the suds you walk around and shake some hands and get some attention. here's a little one for you literally. little piggies who had to run for their lives. what happened? here's what happened. 2200 baby pigs were on the loose because this semi tipped over monday own an ohio highway. a small army of paramedics fire agencies and regular folks ran
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around trying to herd the pig lets. 1500 were captured. that means a lot of them were on the loose. some didn't make it. >> they're like the indignity, grabbing me by the leg. >> that's like baby two, the little one wandering down the street with the ears flopping. >> they all know the story. it circles around the pen. they know. >> antren't you glad he's not telling you your good night stories as a child? >> i am a great good night story teller. i make up my own characters. and now i have a new one. you know what happened to that piggy who didn't listen. president obama taking a lot of heat for saying there's no strategy to fight in iraq. one of his biggest critics joins us next.
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here we go with stthe five things to know. two escaped killers on the loose after breaking out of a maximum security prison in upstate new york. police investigating an employee who may have been an accomplice. that officer, also pulled his gun during the incident.
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former south carolina police officer has been incited for the shooting of walter scott in the back when the unarmed plan fled after a traffic stop. the tsa under fire for failing to screen dozens of employees who were hired despite their links to terrorism. jeb bush arriving in the eastern europe for a six-day visit, testing out his foreign policy metal, with stops in germany poll and and esand and estonia. i'm going to head over to allison. republicans dlamslamming president obama for saying the u.s. has no complete strategy for iraq. let's bring in the chairman of the house homeland security
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committee congress mike mechanicalmccaul of texas. listen to this. >> when a finalized plan is presented to me by the pentagon then i will share it with the american people. we don't yet have a complete strategy because it requires commitments on the part of the iraqis as well. the details of that are not yet worked out. >> what's wrong with that answer? >> well we don't have a complete strategy that was not really a surprise because we haven't had a strategy in iraq ever since isis popped all all we've done is contained the threat. we have had no strategy to destroy and defeat isis. that's my biggest concern.
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as the chairman of homeland security the best thing to do is drain the swamp over there rather than swat at motionsquitos here in the united states. we've been dealing with the issue for how long? isis now has taken over ramadi and baghdad a month ago. they've taken over mosul. they're taking over greater swaths of territory. isis is winning over there. when they win, they also draw more recruits into the region. they can't pull off external operations against the west. >> do you fault the pentagon and the generals or the president? he said he's waiting for a finalized plan. that sounds like what a president should do. >> i can't imagine he diplomat ask -- didn't ask for this plan a long time ago. i think they have had their
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hands tied behind their back particularly when it comes to air strikes. there has to be zero collateral damage. they cannot hit the targets. i know with respect to ramadi there was a convoy going straight into ramadi and we're not able to strike them because of the rules of engagement. >> the president says they're waiting to figure out if they can better train the iraqi army. do you know that's a good plan? >> the iraqi national army is almost incapable of fighting isis. they're bringing in the the shia militia out of the iran. that's not a good idea either. we need to arm the peshmerga. i think we need to be more heavily engaged in this effort this fight, this war if we're serious about winning it. >> some of your republican colleagues have called for a
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force of ground troops up to 10,000. how do you feel about that? >> i don't think you take any option off the table. would we rather rely on indigenous forces? of course. that's a strategy the president's been trying to implement. but it's failed. isis is winning this. >> so you're comfortable with u.s. ground troops? >> i think that's an option we should keep on the table. i think we need special forces in the area and the ability to guide these air strikes moving forward. right now the generals have their hands tied behind their backs. >> you're chair of the homeland security committee. it has not been a good week for the tsa. the tsa airport employees, they failed to identify 18 employees who were on terror watch lists. >> a 96% failure rate in
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screening with this high threat environment that you and i talked about with respect to isis now we find out that 72 airport workers potentially have ties to terrorism. it is absolutely astounding. tsa doesn't even have an administrator that's been approved by the senate. they have no leadership at the tsa. i'm outraged about this. i think that the safety of the american people and the public are at risk right now. >> i mean what is the tsa doing? we take off our shoes. we're searched. grandmothers are taken out of their wheelchairs. what are they doing? this tsa screening database 1500 records that contain just first initials instead of names. that seems easy to fix. 75,000 had no passport numbers in the database of passengerers.
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87,000 had no social security number. the tsa can improve aviation worker vetting. these are the things that are missing from their workers. how is that possible in this day and age? >> it's 14 years after 9/11 and the aviation sector is till at risk. we know al qaeda is planning to put explosives on airplanes. they need to be totally revamped and we need to be looking at all possible remedies to fix tsa. i'll be leading the charge on this. i think american lives are at risk right now. >> how concerned are you about computer hacking and getting information like we've just seen 4 million government workers? >> i talked about this on the sunday shows. we have 4 million federal
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employees compromised. the target demonstrates in the dig big data theft, we know it's coming from china. whether it's coming from the government i think is a real question. but i believe it has all the hallmarks of an espionage case. they're using it to compromise americans. and americans in very high places in the government. so this is a new form of espionage. it's happening over the internet. >> thank you so much. good to have you in studio. >> thank you. let's take a look at who i'm with. women in white. melissa rivers is here. we all of course new and loved your mom. we want to talk about who she was in real life. and she just happened to write a new book titled "the book of
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joan." so glad to have you here. we'll talk about the book and your wonderful mom.
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comedy legend joan rivers would have turned 82 years old this week. we all miss joan's one-liners and sharp feedback. no one misses her more than her daughter. more on joan rivers' enduring legacy. >> if you laugh at it you can deal with it. that's how i lived my whole life. >> nearly one year after the untimely death of beloved comedic i con joan rivers still pending a lawsuit filed by her daughter in january alleges that doctors at the clinic were reckless and groesssly negligent. they emphasized their patient safety is their highest estest
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priority. they said we use state of the art monitoring devices and have emergency resuscitation equipment immediately available for every patient. rivers' career spanned decades with classic punch lines and hilarious one-liners. >> do you know what it's like to go in the morning to take off a facial mask and realize you're not wearing one? >> rivers for more than three decades meticulously filed her jokes in her archives soon to be professionally archived. she kept them in her lavish penthouse now up for sale for a whopping $28 million. even at age 81 joan rivers was at the top of her game and her lifetime of laughter left us too soon. >> joining us now is joan's
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partner inher daughter melissa. how are you doing? >> i'm all right. we're hanging in there. coop's -- about two months ago i saw the fog lift from cooper which i thought was great. >> do you think it's been harder on him? >> this is his first real experience with this he and my mom were so close. my priority became making sure he was okay. for him it's much more the loss of parent than a grandparent. about two months ago i saw the fog lift and that's when i hit the wall because i could finally go okay. >> it is not a memoir nor self-help. it's just remembrances of her. >> it's a series of essays for lack of a better way to describe
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it that are funny. >> there's great nuggets in here. was it fun? i'm impressed with how quickly you wrote this. >> so am i. >> was it fun or painful to go back through the memories. >> it was terrifying and daunting at the beginning. but it forced me to sit down every writing session and think of funny things. it was almost forced laughter they were. i can't believe i'm five weeks on the "new york times" best seller list. which shows you how far the bar has dropped. >> did you hear her in your head while you were writing this like sort of sassing you? >> she would be writing her rebuttal. yes, this happened but let me explain to you why and why my side makes sense. >> here's a nugget. my mother loved airplane food.
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she traveled so much that her habits became legendary. that's a great moment. she loved traveling on airplanes. >> not so much traveling on airplanes. but she loved the american airlines airplane food. they used to give her the left overs to take home for her dogs. and she would take the extra. she loved airplane food. i don't know -- i think it's because she felt like if she was in the air the calories didn't count. i don't know. she'd be eating off your tray. >> that's what i love about this is there's so many wonderful nuggets of things in this book. you talk about how fastidious and meticulous your mother was.demanded manners from everybody. >> i remember the first time you came to my station in los angeles. i was so nervous.
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she was the sweetest kindest, gentlest generous lady. and people didn't see that often. >> the the on stage persona was different than the person. a lot of people are like that. people that are the nicest on tv are usually not the ones in real life who are so nice. >> we talked about this incredible catalog of jokes. your mom wrote down every one of her jokes and filed it. it's like the dewey decimal system. >> we're having them jijdigitally scanned. we just found a bunch more when we cleaned out the subbasements. i think the count now are 72,000 something without even cross referenceing them yet. >> once you catalog them, where will they live? >> we've had a number of
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officers.officerers. i've never lived in a house that we didn't have this big metal wall. it's weird for me to say it's going to go live somewhere else. but it will go somewhere. >> i know that you can't comment on details of the lawsuit. i know that. and we recognize that. i know this was very important to you. i was watching your face as we ran that piece. what do you want to come out of all this? >> that it doesn't happen to anybody else what went on. we filed a very detailed lawsuit which people can look at. and the most important thing for me is is that what happened or allegedly happened doesn't happen again. it's not just about my mother. it's about moving forward. >> you have funny moments in the book. you also have poignant and painful moments. i want to read about her last moments. you say here in the book in the
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morning when it was time to remove the ventdilator she was surrounded by those who loved her the most. i lay in the bed and held her and after a few hours she was finally gone. must have been difficult. >> very difficult. sometimes in these events in your life you sort of become an expert on things you never wanted to be. and i learned in one week more about traumatic brain injury more than i ever cared to learn about. an amazing neurologist said to me a lot of it is wait and see with brain injury. they will at one point present themselves. and she presented herself and we knew what she said. at that point it becomes clear what you need to do. plus my mother had a very extensive living will. so she gave me the gift of not actually having to make the decision. i knew so clearly what her wishes were. >> that is a gift.
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>> that is such a gift. >> and you knew that she loved you and you loved her. >> which is you know always tell your kids you love them. >> every day. >> i'll say to my son i don't like you very much but i love you. i have a teenager. that's what you do. >> the book is the "book of joan." it's a great read. thank you so much. >> thank you. so we have this story of a former south carolina police officer who's facing a trial for shooting and killing a man after hitting this unarmed suspect eight times as he was running away. we're going to give you the best case for both sides straight ahead. chris hill stays at laquinta he fires up the free wifi with a network that's now up to 5 times faster than before! so he can rapidly prepare his presentation. and when he perfects his pitch, do you know what chris can do? and that is my recommendation. let's see if he's ready. he can swim with the sharks!
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. here's what we know a former south carolina police officer has been indicted on a murder charge for the death of walter scott. scott shot eight times, okay. several bullets hit him in the back. the officer michael slager claims scott went for his taser. we have joey jackson and danny cevallos to puzzle out the two sides of this case.
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you will be the prosecutor my friend. you will be defense. what is the main line coming at this officer? >> intent. the reality is that retaliation is never a defense to any crime. i think they're going to analyze all the circumstances leading up to it. you can make the argument that he shouldn't have run. you can make the argument there shouldn't have been a struggle. but you have to focus on, number one, why was he stopped? that's a violation. with regard to state of mind a taillight certainly does not constitute the death penalty. there's more than that. that's the incident itself. whenever an officer is in imminent fare forear for their life they are justified in protecting themselves. but when someone is running away, where's the threat here? it's also more than that. you look at the video. you see no imminent threat, eight shots become fired.
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four hit him in the back and one in the ear. there's no rendering of aid. and there's a telling of a story of a struggle, which we certainly do not see. >> rebuttal? >> i think defense attorneys would say you focus not on what the video shows, but what the videos -- i use plural because we now have a dash cam video and an iphone video of the original stop focused on not what those videos show but what the videos don't show which is that initial encounter. you better believe if i'm defending this case i will articulate or have the officer articulate or some up with evidence to show that the suspect made a grab for the weapon either through the officer's testimony, that he went for my weapon he went for my taser. i had a reasonable fare of my safety of eminent bodily harm. then when he's fleeing, the
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supreme court has said that if someone is fleeing and the officer reasonably believes they pose a threat to the officer or others then deadly force may, may be warrantsed. i have to concede that is a very difficult case to make when the man originally sprinted away then had a brief tussle. it ap tearpears at all times he only wanted to flee. and that's an uphill battle. >> any chance you get the tape thrown out? >> interesting question. i would lean towards no at this point. why? most of the time when you get evidence sup presspressed, it's because the constitutional rights of the defend have been violated. there really aren't a lot of avenues to get that evidence spresed ed suppressed or have it thrown out of court.
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>> what danny's articulating is actually true. whenever it applies or not -- now i saw this guy if he's willing to try to take my taser, then this guy is a deadly threat to people and that's why i had to shoot him. >> it's an argument chris, that it doesn't carry the day. >> does it get you to manslaughter? >> they could examine it and say it's a heat of passion. it's not so much a premeditated type of event where you intended to kill hip.m. i'm going to tell you why that's a distinction without a difference. manslaughter in south carolina carries 30 years as a maximum. i don't see based upon these circumstances where it looks like he's taking pot shots very calmly intentionally purposely. i don't see a judge taking it
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easy on him, even though the minimum on manslaughter is two years. >> why didn't he go for a deal? the officer? >> this is an all or nothing type case. at this point you have to wonder was there an officer and what was that officer? there may be no offer at this point. just from a public relations perspective imagine if a d.a.'s office made some overtures at this point. at this point the d.a.'s office wouldn't make any offer. they're at the indictment stage. if there is an offer i could see the officer not taking it. why? because if he feels his actions were justified, any deal whatever it may be i would almost assure you would involve the loss of his job, a felony conviction. >> he's already fired. >> i understand that. but if he's exonerated this is a plan who could arguably work somewhere else again. the stakes are just too high.
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for these officers i think you'll find it's all or nothing. >> if you didn't have the videotape, let's not forget how this started. it matters more about policy going forward than it does for this particular prosecution. the cops came out in favor in support of this officer in the initial aftermath. if you didn't have this videotape, do you think you get him off? >> the videotape changed entire case because in any murder case -- >> then you have a body with four shells in it. >> chris in any murder case whether by a police officer or a civilian on the street the problem is always the same. there is usually only one side to the story and that comes from the party that's still alive. >> the south carolina law enforcement division looked at it and said there are inconsistencies here. how did he pose the danger? there was the issue of highway
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this event would have taken place. briefly back to the issue of a plea deal if prosecution doesn't have the goods, they'll offer the deal. they have the goods here. i think, you know he's done. >> all right. well done. thank you very much. we'll see how it gets. there is going to be a trial here. only little boys can be spiderman, right? not if the good stuff has anything to say about it. we've got a good one coming up. it's not about her. ♪ ♪ when you're living with diabetes steady is exciting. only glucerna has carbsteady clinically proven to help minimize blood sugar spikes. so you stay steady ahead.
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la quinta! costello" it's time for the good stuff. four-year-old from gotham new york city she loves spiderman, but there was a problem. >> she started coming home from school talking about not wanting to be a girl anymore because some of the boys at school said only boys can be spiderman. >> as i tell my daughter all the time boys stink. this is nyc, baby. they organized an entire parade to show you can always be a super hero.
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you had boys as wonder woman. girls as superman. the spontaneous parade took place over the weekend here in new york city. >> she can do it. she can be an evil character. >> why not? why not? . >> time now for "cnn newsroom with carol costello." >> also known as superman. >> darth vadar? >> that's great that she wanted to. >> have a great day. newsroom starts now. happening now in the newsroom a three country man hunt for two convicted killers. >> you don't cut through a steel wall without somebody hearing it. >> a female prison worker questioned. >> if they did as much planning to get away as they did to get, you know out of the prison they're gone. >> who helped them broke out? and what clues did they leave behind?

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