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hapgs now. evacuations bomb threats at the white house and capitol hill. why was not the president moved as well. tonight, new security questions in the nation's capitol. on the loose, a manhunt closing in near prison where they escaped. exspeaker in court. dennis hastert is sworn as he faces charges of lying and hush money. and new beating video. did police in california use excessive force on a man who reportedly shoved his own mother into a busy street?
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even the police chief calling the images horrific. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. you're in the situation room. police are scouring a small town in upstate new york in an active manhunt for two murder here's escaped from a nearby maximum security prison. two suspicious individuals were spotted in the area. tonight a source tells us the fugitive killers are believed to be on foot. also an evacuation at the white house after a bomb threat targeted the press briefing room. that happened just steps away from the oval office but the president was not moved. we're getting new information on that. and a separate bomb threat at a senate office. news makers are all standing by as we cover all the news breaking. first let's go to our senior correspondent, joe johns on capitol hill with more on these
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latest threats. >> tonight investigators are trying to determine if the threats are linked to each other or to a series of recent threats against airlines. sources say the dual threats called in within two hours of each were specific enough to cause police to evacuate senators. >> in orderly fashion, please exit as quickly as possible. >> and parts of the west wing at the white house. the first threat came in just after 12:30. ironically enough just after a senate homeland security hearing during testimony about the concerns about safety of tsa screening at airports. causing senators staffers and witnesses to flee the room. less than two hours later, just after 2:00 p.m. as the white house press secretary was answering questions from reporters, more chaos. reporters being told to leave immediately. >> evacuate the area.
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>> reporter: as cnn and other networks covered it live secret service agents with bomb sniffing dogs could be seen sweeping the press briefing room until someone covered tv cameras. within a half-hour the all clear was called and the briefing resumed with few answers. only the the white house says the president was never in any danger but has yet to explain why neither mr. obama nor his staff were evacuated. especially if the threat was serious enough to clear out part of the west wing. tonight u.s. capitol police say they do not know whether there is a tangible link between the threats that occurred today between capitol and the white house but we do know from other federal officials, it is part of the investigation. wolf? >> all right. thank you. joe johns on capitol hill. let's go to michelle kaczynski. was one of the reporters evacuated in the west wing of the white house. you're getting news about the president, the first family's location during this evacuation.
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what are you learning? >> reporter: the white house just said where the president was and was in fact in the oval office just yards away from the briefing room where the threat was centered. that surprised many people that he was not moved from that location. also when you look at the layout of the white house. you have the briefing room in the west wing. just beyond that are the offices of the press department. just beyond that is the oval office and the office of the white house press secretary. the staff was asked to go into the press secretary's office just across from the oval office so you had the president and those staff members in those two rooms. at this point you could only assume the secret service made the call. they would be safer in place in those offices than they would be if they moved. but there's, you know still a question surrounding that. not only are they yards away from where the threat was centered. they're in the same building. they're only you know a few
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rooms away from where everyone was evacuated. so there's that question as to the safety of those who remained in the building if this was such a serious bomb threat that some people needed to be evacuated. also the nature of the threat was something that someone could have brought a bomb into the briefing room. all those people in the briefing room myself included were moved together into a small space. that doesn't feel great to be in that position either. another question is if this was called into the police department and then 20 minutes later, it was 17 minutes later that room was evacuated. what about that time frame? why this 17 minutes before that one room in the west wing was evacuated at all, wolf? >> all right, michelle thank you very much. michelle cost insky. a lot of questions. another story that's developing right now, the manhunt for those two fugitive killers in upstate new york.
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this hour, police are focusing in on a small town not very far away from that maximum security prison where the two convicts pulled off a daring and cunning escape. we're getting new information about a woman who has been questioned as a possible accomplice. let's to go cnn's reporter live now from the scene with the very latest. what are you learning? >> reporter: well wolf a source close to the investigation now saying that joyce mitchell an employee at the correctional facility in clinton county continues to be questioned. now new information surfacing over the last few minutes that some phone calls were made with mitchell's cell phone to individuals potentially related to one of the suspects here. richard matt. that source not able to tell us exactly who made those calls or when. however, we have heard from joyce mitchell's family who are essentially defending their mother saying she would never take part in an escape like this. now the main question is how were these two individuals able
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to pull off such a daring escape and at least two of the people who have the key answers. despite planning of an elaborate escape plan there was one flaw. a getaway ride. according to officials no, one was there to pick up fugitives richard matt and david sweat outside the maximum security prison saturday night. tonight an active search is underway about 40 mile south of the prison where the two are believed to be on foot. matt and sweat were reportedly seen overnight, walking down a road in the middle of the storm as a car approached they took off. police are creating a perimeter searching in farm and fields for the two murderers. a man who claims to have confronted them in his backyard near the prison the night of the escape talked. >> they were looking around. as soon as i came across, they ran out of my yard. >> reporter: the resident said one of them sported a buzz cut and a t-shirt and even had a guitar case over his shoulder.
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a female prison employee who worked directly with both has been questioned by police. she is described as being, quote, somewhat cooperative after being interviewed. authorities are trying to determine if she provided cell phones money or even tools to the inmates. so far police have not said if she played any role in the escape. what we do know was that the prisoners were allowed extra freedoms for good behavior and that included being part of an honor block where inmates are allowed to go outside every day is that congregate in the evenings. >> getting in the honor unit was an orchestrated plan. sometimes what they'll do we overlook certain things. >> reporter: back out live in upstate new york where much of the attention has been focused on joy mitchell an employee at the clinton correctional facility here. now this news breaking in the last few minutes. a source with detailed knowledge of the investigation telling
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deborah feyerick her cell phone was used in connection to at least one of the suspects involved in this very daring escape. very important to mention this wolf that those investigators and those sources not able to say exactly when or really who made those phone calls, for mitchell was even aware of those. still a very fluid situation in upstate new york. >> certain lay major manhunt indeed. let's bring in our law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes. joining us on the phone, a resident of willsboro, about 30 miles, 35 miles away from the prison. that's where they are searching for the escaped convicts. this joyce mitchell, this woman, a prison employee. employees say she's been somewhat cooperating in this investigation. her cell phone was used supposedly to call people connected to one of the fugitives. what does that say to you? >> it's not that unusual for
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people in that situation to end up in either a romantic relationship or just a close mentoring type relationship that she took a likeness to one or both of them. wanted to help them. maybe if they wanted to make phone calls, give them her phone to do it. whether she is involved in bringing tools to them or was arranging for transportation once they escaped, that's another matter. so it may be a matter of degree how close she was to them. how much cooperation she did give them. >> sometime prisoners will speak to employees and say when you go home, could you call my uncle, my or my friend pass along information. that's probably not all that unusual. >> i think it happens and it is something they worry about in all these prisons, especially where you have sexual relationships begin with people that have been locked up a long time. so it is not impossible. it happens. what degree that's true in this case we don't know. >> we don't know if she has any sexual relationship at all.
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we know that she is cooperating, somewhat cooperating according to these authorities. let's talk a little with darren. police were hunting for these escaped convicts on your street. first thing this morning. how scared were you when you saw this the possibility that these two killers could show up literally at your doorstep. >> well at first when you see a bunch of cop cars outside your house, you don't know what's going on. then two and two together you realize what it is. headed off to work and the phone in my pocket started ringing. and i told my boss i need to go home. my front yard and my house is on every news channel and every newspaper you can think of. >> so then what happened darren? what happened when you got home? >> when i got home i had to go through the roadblock and tell them i lived here. and there was more troopers state police sheriff's department u.s. marshals
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department department of corrections, literally bucket loads. they convened like there was no tomorrow. so it's not a big town. what are you doing? i assume most of you are pretty nervous. >> extremely nervous. it is a community of less than 2,000. there are tweets going out from the local government telling us to stay inside. keep your doors locked. don't go anywhere. it is very scary. it is a real situation that you don't ever think that would approach you. >> and it is pretty rural out there. a lot of forest a lot of trees. >> yes. we are surrounded by forest farmland and a big swamp. i feel for these guys our law enforcement that had to tromp through what they tromped through today. from what i understand they're still going through it. >> basically the bottom line in all of this i want to be precise, darren your last name
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is darrah. the bottom line is you haven't seen these two suspects. no one as far as you know has seen them among your associates or friends, right? >> well i personally have not seen them. my direct next door neighbor is the one that foenld in the call this morning or late last night, stating that he did in fact see someone in his backyard. >> one person or two? >> one. >> and did your friend describe to you what that person looked like? >> he said there were two individuals and one of them was carrying something over his shoulder. you know something like that. middle of the night in your backyard of course you call in the authorities. especially in a situation like this where you're on heightened alert. >> did your neighbor get a good look at the face of this individual? >> not that i know of no. there were two individuals that he stated. that's what -- >> and your neighbor is the one who called 911, right? >> correct. >> all right. stand by for a moment darren.
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i want to get tom fuentes' reaction to that. what do you make of that eyewitness account? >> i don't know. i have a time lightning. if people saw the suspicious character that's night and reported and it then four or five or six hours later it was discovered they were missing from the prison why was not this manhunt immediately initiated in this town thinking maybe that call was those guys. i think everybody made the assumption that they're only 25 30 miles from canada. that would have been the direction. but when these guys came out of the tunnels and whatever ride was supposed to pick them u7 was missing, they may have decided let's go south instead of north. >> do you want to add anything? >> i agree. my first thought would be they were heading north. but we're two miles from a ferry to vermont. it's very rural in this area. maybe they had second thoughts. you know? you can't get in their heads. >> we don't even know for 100% these are the two guys.
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>> exactly. >> certainly the search continues. there is a massive manhunt underway. darren thank you very much. tom fuentes, thank you to you as well. just ahead, the former speaker of the house enters pleas on charges of hiding hush money. and shocking video. more shocking video raising questions about the use of excessive force by police. was this violent response really warranted? plus we're awaiting a news conference involving the police officer responding to a call at a pool party in texas. we're just learning this police officer has resigned. stand by. aww, this audit will take days. what a headache! actually...i...don't have a headache anymore! excedrin really does work fast. in fact for some, relief starts in just 15 minutes. excedrin. wow, that was fast.
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a chaotic scene as dennis hastert goes to court in chicago. he has pleaded guilty to all charges that he lied about paying millions of dollars to cover up past misconduct. this is the first time we've seen the republican since reports surfaced that he sexually abused former students decades ago when he was a high school wrestling coach. joining us now, our senior washington correspondent, our chief political analyst gloria
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borger jeffy toobin, he pleaded not guilty today. walk us through what happened. >> he did plead not guilty. he has not seen such a crush of cameras since he was the speaker of the house and certainly this was under a much different circumstance. it was a routine procedure. less than 20 minutes long. he was very polite and very brief in this. he was released on his own recould gore recould go miss the answer. he is due back in court. he pleaded not guilty but did not talk about how he sbenlds to defend himself. we thought we might hear from his lawyer but we didn't so all that is still to come. >> he has a pretty well noenl attorney. a defense attorney. what happens next? >> well there is a discovery process where the defense will get access to the information but i think this is a case that screams out for a plea bargain.
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73-year-old men generally don't to go trial. this is a case that with a plea could end without a jail sentence. and perhaps most importantly, if dennis hastert avoids a trial, he avoids public testimony from individual "a" who if there is a trial will testify about what the prior misconduct back in that high school really was. >> do we have any indication who this individual "a" is? >> no one has publicly identified him. >> so the statute of limitations has gone away. so they really can't file sexual abuse charges against the former speaker. >> they can't do that. but the way the indictment was written was a back doorway to surface these allegations. >> the political fallout from this is pretty devastating. >> it is. i've spent some time on the phone today with people who were in the house republican leadership staff at the time. and they're kind of scratching their heads. because they're looking back of
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course to the mark foley scandal when he sent some inappropriate texts to pages. >> he was a republican congressman from florida. and at the time hastert came under a lot of criticism for not acting quickly enough on it. for not being outspoken enough on it. and so i spoke with one former staffer who said to me today, some people are now looking back on the way hastert reacted to that foley stuff through a completely different lens and we're trying to understand. maybe there was an extenuating circumstance we did not know about. >> you've been doing some reporting on the judge in this particular case. thomas durkin who reportedly made some contributions to dennis hastert. so the assumption is someone involved like that would recuse himself from a high profile case like this. >> only in chicago, of course the judge has a lot of political connections. as he two-time donor to denny hastert's congressional fund.
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a $1,000 donation. his brother jim is the top republican in the illinois house. thomas has given other republicans donations. his brother ran for the united states senate against senator dick durbin. his brother contributed to his campaign. and senator john mccain backed his brother and it is a political situation. the judge talked about it today at the trial but interesting, he didn't just flat out recuse himself. what he said is if anyone the two counsel, the defendant and the prosecutors have a problem, let me know next week. >> he was randomly assigned to the case and he acknowledged, if either side has an issue, tell me by thursday. i do not expect the judge will be on this case very long. >> let me get jeffrey's analysis. >> i just think it is outrageous that he even presided over the arraignment. he gave money to the defendant. i mean i'm not saying it was
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anything improper about giving money to the defendant. judges before they go on the bench give campaign contributions all the time. there is nothing wrong with that. but you can't sit in judgment of someone you gave money to? he should have been gone well before the arraignment. >> i can't believe that it wasn't even raised earlier. just ahead, growing fears isis is growing ground by using massive new bols to win important military victories. what can the u.s. do to prevent these attacks? and we're just learning that the police officer caught on video pulling a gun at a pool party is resigning. we're standing by with the police chief. stand by.
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. breaking news in the texas pool party incident all caught on videotape. a lawyer for the white police officer who pulled a gun on african-american teenagers says his client has now resigned. we're standing by for a news conference by the mayor of that town and the police chief will go there once it starts. in the meantime we're joined by law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and cedric, and the legal analyst. i want to show you some very disturbing video. show that video later. let me get your quick reaction first of all to the resignation
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now of the police officer. we're about to hear specifically from the mayor and the police chief. the police officer resigned. >> well i'm quite sure that in the last couple of days that officer has given it some considerable thought, considering the magnitude of that particular case and what he found himself involved in. so his decision to resign is probably one i'm quite sure he is making in his own best interests. i think it would be important to notice too, when he resigns, he probably will keep his texas certification as a police officer. i just hope that should he decide to go somewhere else some other department makes sure that they do a thorough back ground investigation to be aware of any, anything in his past that might be of concern for them. >> stand by for a moment. also as we await this news conference i want to show our viewers some rather disturbing
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video from salinas california. anybody who looks at this video, that video without context would have grave kernels because it looks terrible. this man being beaten was reportedly high on methamphetamines. he had assaulted his mother moments before the video started rolling. let me to go tom fuentes first. you'll see this. does it seem like the office here's are beating this guy right now, does it appear they responded appropriately? >> no wolf. that seems excessive just looking at the video. we don't know the whole context. we hear that he was high on methamphetamine. but when they're clubbing somebody like that high or not high. that's just not going to accomplish what you want to do unless you're trying to make him unconscious and figure that's the only way to handle him. and of course that's not the right way to handle him. it appears to be a terrible situation that they're all in trying to subdue him. >> you see him on the ground being held by several police officers. you see one guy basically
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hitting him over the head and the body. joey jackson, what's your analysis? >> it is as follows. certainly we don't know exactly what occurred. on the face of it it is very troubling. do we believe our lying eyes? the fact is that officers need to use force in certain instances where there is an imnegligency of the threat. if you feel threat and you have to respond accordingly. if someone is on the ground not seemingly fighting back. to strike blows gratuitously seem to be not in keeping with departmental protocol and perhaps worse with regard to a district attorney investigation as to the force used here and its appropriateness. it doesn't appear on the face of it that it is appropriate at all. >> what is your reaction? >> i'm going to tell you the truth, to be perfectly honest with you, regardless of whatever the context of what brought them to that scene. that piece of footage that we are looking at there is very, very disturbing and very hard to watch. i mean they're holding him down.
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you have one police officer there that is just wailing on this guy. it doesn't make any sense from where we sit. and i don't think it will make very much sense to anybody who looks at it. that's real disturbing in terms of what is going on here. then you later see the other officer come up and commence the wailing on this guy too. he is not fighting them. so i don't know where they're going to be able to find such justification in this. it will be interesting to see what happens going forward there in salinas. >> i want to you stand by. we're awaiting this news conference from texas on this texas pool party incident. you see the microphones. we'll hear from the mayor of the police chief. the officer involved has now resigned. we'll be right back.
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the police chief making an announcement on the video. >> the disturbance at the community pool are undefensible. our policies our training our practice do not support his actions. he came into the call out of control and as the video shows, was out of control during the incident. i had 12 officers on the scene and 11 of them performed according to their training. they did an excellent job. our citizens called us to a fight in progress and general disturbance at the community pool. we responded. i do not condone the actions of those individuals who violated the rules of the community, showed disrespect to the security person on the scene and to the officers who responded. however, we as a department are held to a high standard of action as we do our jobs. i support the fine men and women of the mckinney police
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department who day in and day outdo an outstanding job on behalf of all of our citizens. i have had a number of meetings with local community leaders and we agree on this. mckinney is a wonderful city. it a great place in which to live work and visit. we are committed to keeping it that way. we will continue to work together in the days ahead, to strengthen relationships with all who call this great city home. i am encouraged by the support of our local community. our residents met with me and said chief, we will hold you accountable but we can take care of our own house. to all the citizens of mckinney, i say to you, thank you for your support and i look forward to working together with you to keep this city one of the best communities in america to call
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home. at this time i would like to introduce our mayor, he has a statement. >> thank you. over the past few days my primary goal and responsibility has been to monitor and to reassure our residents in our community that we are going about this investigation in a proper way, in a quick way, and that most of us to make sure that we have a peaceful response to the actions that took place. over the past several days i've been meetings with residents as well and representatives from the community to reassure them we are following the investigative process. that it would be an open and fair process that is legally required. i received many e-mails, many phone calls, and i think it is important to point out that while friday's incident demanded and received our fullest attention, it is not indicative of mckinney as a whole. we have good law-abiding
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citizens throughout our community including our craig ranch neighborhood. we have good publicer is vanlts in our police department and our fire department. the actions of any one individual do not define our community as a whole. i appreciate the efforts of the chief in the efforts of the community to peacefully express their views regarding this instance while we work through this. we will continue to evaluate these events and continue to reach out to community members to move our community forward in a positive manner. as i am in the past and i said initially when this happened. our expectation as a city council power and city management is that all city employees work with an attitude of service to our community. i believe our employees strive for this and will continue to do so. and i want to thank our religious leaders that i met with last evening. and their willingness to work with us as we work through this process and their willingness to continue to work with us and all of our residents from all over
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the community so that we can move forward together in a positive manner. thank you all very much. all right. there you have it. the resignation of the police chief, we heard from the mayor and the police chief there. let's get a quick reaction. what do you think? >> well first of all, i'll say this in regard to chief conley. i think he did an extraordinary job in explaining that their policies and their practices were only going to be done one way and that's the right way. he made that very clear. he showed a considerable leadership in making sure that this investigation was done in a timely manner. because there's no need to drag it out. and also i have to give kudos to the mayor as well who demonstrated his leadership coming behind his chief and stating to that community and the rest of the country, that we have a great community here and we're going to uphold the law here and we expect the best out of our community and we'll deliver leadership to them.
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so kudos to the both of them in terms of their response. >> your reaction. >> i agree with cedric. >> you totally agree. >> yeah. >> what do you think? what happens to this police officer? the one who resigned? the one who is seen doing that stuff to the young teenagers on that video? >> sure. the absolute right thing to do wolf i think, there are consequences to actions. you're the adult. you go on a scene. you're certainly out of control. what exam will do you sunset and there are protocols. you don't draw a weapon because you cox my dad who was a police officer always told me the most powerful tool he ever kept when he was on duty was his interpersonal communication. you diffuse a situation. you don't escalate it. so now this officer has to deal with that situation and the consequences of his actions, however he does. but it will not be as a part of that force. find thing, wolf. 12 officers respond. 11 did the right thing. so certainly they deserve the trust and they deserve the
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almost of the community. the police chief making clear, one person is not going on blemish the fine work of the other officers. in community. trust restored. they move forward. >> joey jackson, guys thanks very much. the breaking news, that police officer has resigned. just ahead, updates on two big stories. convicts escaped in new york state and a possible accomplice and the bomb threats that forced evacuations in parts of the white house and capitol hill today. to create a more advanced vehicle, you use the most innovative technology available. to craft a more luxurious vehicle, you use the most skilled hands on earth. like ones that spend 38 days creating a lexus ls steering wheel. or 2,000 hours calibrating an available mark levinson audio system. the high-tech, handcrafted lexus ls. luxury, uncompromised. this is the pursuit of perfection.
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. the prime minister is here in the situation room with us as world leaders are threatening new sanctions on russia as war rages between ukrainian forces and russian backed rebels. even as diplomatic pressure intensifies, so does the bloodshed and there are now new fears that the russian president putin has his sights set on additional targets in ukraine. let's get some back ground. jim sciutto has the very latest. >> reporter: today alone, ukrainian soldiers a cease fire on the ground in name only. and as russian and russian backed soldiers solidified their hold on territory in eastern ukraine and in crimea the concern is that russian territorial ambitions do not end there.
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these are the front lines of the war in ukraine today. ukrainian troops locked in battle with russian backed rebels. the 4-month-old cease fire the second attempt to tend fighting here looks meaningless. president obama is placing the blame on russian president putin. >> does he continue to wreck his country's economy and continue russia's isolation in pursuit of a wrong headed desire to re-create the glories of the soviet empire or does he recognize that russia's greatness does not depend on violating the territorial integrity and sovereignty of other countries? >> reporter: like this russian fly-by of the navy destroyer in the black sea last week russia moves inside ukraine, increasingly a direct challenge to the u.s. u.s. forces are now training
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troops against russia's wishes and war planes are on the move. despite the show of force, all of crimea remain under russian control. the 2016 presidential race heating soon to be candidate jeb bush blames failed u.s. policy. >> while mr. putin is a ruthless he will push until someone pushes back and i believe that's nato. >> increasingly some of russia's european neighbors including nato allies fear they could be next. >> i don't think we can assume that putin's plan start and end with ukraine. i think we have to assume that we may see threats like this elsewhere in the future. >> the u.s. ambassador at the un samantha powers traveling to ukraine tomorrow and will meet with ukrainian leaders and express support and let's look at the map, wolf. this is the best measure of the effect of the u.s. policy so
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far. the map eight months ago around the time the sanctions started, red area russian control and military positions and weapons systems inside eastern ukraine. let's look at the map today, eight months later controlling more of the boarder along here and again, more russian weapon systems and units inside ukrainian territory. based on this map met trick, that policy wolf, is not working. >> certainly doesn't seem to be working and crimearemains occupied at the same time. let's discuss it mr. prime minister thanks for joining us. >> pleasure. >> what needs to be done to reverse what you regard and what the u.s. regards as russian aggression? >> putin is fighting not just with ukraine. he's fighting with the entire free world, and he's fighting with the united states and the european union, and i truly commend the efforts that have been taken by the g-7 member states and this strong and boltd
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statement but putin never plays by the rules, he plays with the rules. we did a lot to deescalate the situation. not sure american viewers knew the roots of this conflict but there 20 year ace go ukraine relink wished the biggest power arsenal and so-called random when we were granted and guaranteed territorial integrity integrity, sovereignty and independence. >> to go back a bit in history, the president of the united states bill clinton signed that memorandum did the united states betray ukraine? >> no the problem is the that, you know, this memorandum is a political documented, not legally binding. we understand everyone has not only moral but public obligations to defend the world and peace and stability and it seems they are doing everything to support ukraine and the u.s. in terms of sanctions and in term thes of strong and bold
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positions. >> the u.s. is not doing everything you want. you want weapons, lethal aid from the united states to fight these russians right? >> absolutely. >> you're not getting that. >> look what we are asking for, as i already told not just talking about the ukrainian case. this is the threat to the entire globe and eu. ukraine is like a bulletproof jacket for the european union. we ask for the defensive weapon in order to detour russian. >> what's the response from the united states when you say to the president or the vice president or the secretary of defense or secretary of state, we need weapons to defend ukraine because ukraine is a big country, and russia is taking over increasing parts of it. what is their answer to you? >> ukraine is the only country fighting against the regular russian army. the answer is that the u.s. already sent american soldiers to train ukrainian national guard. they sent some electronic war
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warfare warfare. >> when you ask for that and they say no what is their reasoning? >> they are considering and comp templating this option. they believe this could escalate the situation in ukraine. russian supplied hundreds of tanks, hundreds of artillery and sa 11 15 -- >> you know the russians deny that? >> well -- >> they deny there are any russian troops in ukraine now. these are all ukraine, they say these are ukrainian forces who may be loyal to russia but ukrainian citizens who are fighting your government. >> i want to be very clear. more than 10,000 russian military boots are on the ukrainian soil and in addition about 30,000 of russian-led terrorist trained by russian army. >> so what is it going to take to get rid of them? >> well we expect these so-called deal could be a good
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way to deescalate the situation and do we believe this is the only solution but in order to make this solution viable and order to implement the deal we need diplomatic efforts with the strong doable ukrainian military and we need to remain unity between the u and u.s. and to act boldly wisely and in concert against the russian-led aggression. >> we heard president obama say in germany that the sanctions are working and the russia economy is in deep trouble right now as a result of those u.s. those european sanctions and he said he's willing to go further and escalate the sanctions if the russians don't retreat. putin is showing absolutely no sign despite the painful economic response in russia of responding to those sanctions. >> well mainly russia was effected by the huge slide in oil prices and in addition by sanctions that have been impulsed by the u.s. and eu. the ultimate goal he wants not
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only create mia, donetsk, he wants the entire ukraine and this is up to the free world to deter russia to stop the russian-led aggression and to make russia to pay the price and obey the international law and order. >> do you fear some members of the european union are weakening resolve on these sanctions because it's in effect, it's hurting some of their owner economy s? >> putin expected that, expected to split the eu. >> did he? >> this could happen but i strongly believe the u sticks to the values but not to value. >> ukraine is not a nato ally like estonia or -- >> and this is huge in 2008 you remember -- >> of course we remember all of that when there was that possibility but do you believe, and you're an expert in this area and on the front lines in ukraine, that putin and russia
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would do to a nato ally under treaty obligations with the united states and other nato allies what it has done to ukraine? >> never. and the thing is that we missed the chance. you remember in 2008 during the nato meeting, we were not allowed to join membership action plan with nato, and what p happened next? russia invaded and russia didn't pay the praise and invaded the east of ukraine. russia pulls a threat to the free world and nato member states. look what putin is doing. he's constantly intimidating the eu nato member states sending submarines to your boarders. so we need to realize that russia possess the threat to the u.s. and to the global order. >> while you're in washington i'm assuming you're meeting with
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top administration members of congress, what is the bottom line message you're brinkging to the united states right now? i assume you want lethal military equipment, based on what i hear the u.s. doesn't want to do that. what's the bottom line request? >> to send a strong signal the ukrainian nation wants to succeed and we've been fighting for the european values for our freedoms and the united states stands for it. so we have to do it jointly to make this world better and to make ukraine a success story. >> and tell our viewers here in the united states in north america why this should matter to them right now. >> this matter is to the globe. you are the leader of the free world, the united states is a country of real democracy, of real freedoms and liberties, so you are to defend the world and protect the world and you are to support ukraine as we stick to the same values and to the same
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ideas. >> but you don't expect u.s. troops to be dispatched in a serious way to ukraine that can go there to train ukrainian military personnel but you really don't expect what we call boots on the ground combat forces to be deployed to ukraine, do you? >> we don't expect military boots on the ground but we expect to have business shoes on the ground in ukraine. >> what does that mean? >> investments. american business to invest in ukraine. we passed through difficult painful reforms but we want to make this country better, and we want to improve our investment climate and having american investors being in ukraine is another protective shield and a way to boost our economy and make ukraine a success story. the best way to respond to president putin to show that ukraine is a successful and flourishing european state that is supported by the united states. >> the prime minister of ukraine, welcome to washington, welcome to the united states
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mr. prime minister. good luck to you and the people of ukraine. >> thanks to the american people thank you. >> thank you for joining us. don't leave yet. that's it for me. thanks for watching. if you want to tweet me go ahead and tweet me @wolf blitzer. erin "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" tonight, authorities zeroing in on one town a prison employee's cell phone was used to call people connected to one of the killers plus more breaking news the officer who pulled his gun on unarmed teens in texas resigning minutes ago. that breaking news and the teen who hosted the pool party is out front and also breaking at this hour word the president may send as many as 1,000 more american troops to fight isis. does he have a strategy? let's go "outfront".
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