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are revealing exclusively to cnn why they are wary of making arrests even as baltimore's violent crime rate soars. >> documents revealed a bloody baseball bat that may have been used as a weapon. more on the investigation right now. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you are in "the situation room." >> breaking news -- dragnet in vermont. authorities say two killers who escaped from a super max prison in new york state talked of fleeing to the state next door. house to house searches under way in the widening international manhunt. also breaking -- president obama adds more u.s. military power to the fight against isis. responding to new gains by the terrorists and criticism of his policy. the white house says up to 450 additional american troops will be ordered to iraq to advise and train local forces on the front lines with a new emphasis on
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assisting sunni tribal fighters. tonight some members of the president's own party are warning of dangerous similarities to the vietnam war. >> republican congressman ryan zinke is here to weigh in, iraq war veteran, former seal commander, serves on the house armed services committee. our correspondents and analysts are standing by to cover all the news break right now. >> first, let's go to our pentagon correspondent, barbara star talk to us a little bit about this new deployment of forces to iraq. >> well wolf this deployment could open the door to u.s. troops going out into anbar province in western iraq the sunni heartland, the heart of the combat with isis. [ gunfire ] >> reporter: iraqi forces continue to struggle in the badle againstbad le -- battle against isis in anbar province, their geloal to retake ramadi and push isis back. to do that president obama is
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sending up to 450 additional troops this time with a major new task. coordinate with sunni tribes who will turn against isis and eventually agree to be trained by the u.s. to fight alongside the shia-led government units. something defense secretary ash carter hinted at in an interview with cnn. >> remember, the people who live in that territory, particularly the sunni tribes they're the one whose have to get in the fight and win the fight. and then hold the territory after isil is defeated. >> reporter: a tall order given past history. >> they worked with us once. we bailed on them once. now we are back again. those sunni leader the ones that i know out there, are, are looking for assurances that "hey this is not just going to be a shot in the dark again." >> reporter: for the first time the new u.s. troops will head hear to the air base south of ramadi where iraqi forces fled after isis captured ramadi last
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month. since then constant skirmishes. closer to the fight it is a security risk for u.s. personnel especially with isis now using mega i.e.d.s. >> it is probably up to half of the soldiers going out there will be for security of the trainers out there so we don't have to get into any issues with any green-on-blue or attacks on isis we cannot repel. >> reporter: new u.s. advisers will join more than 3,000 u.s. troops already in iraq. 9,000 iraqis have been trained. 3,000 are in the program. but tens of thousand more may be needed. >> i'm up. >> reporter: politicians on both sides of the aisle unsure of the plan. >> this is exactly how vietnam started. and if you don't think you are putting them in harm's way, then you are not living in the real world. >> mr. need to be happened -- happening on the ground. and we or our allies need to be
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playing a stronger role. >> reporter: now i have talked to a number of iraq war veterans comb battleat tours under their belt. each and every one of them are telling us they have a lot of skepticism if this can make a difference on the ground. wolf. >> barbara, thank you. the u.s. military presence in iraq is growing only a few years after president obama promised it was ending. listen to what the president said in october of 2011. >> so today i can report that as promised the rest of our troops in iraq will come home by the end of the year. after nearly nine years, america's war in iraq will be over. >> let's bring in chief national security correspondent, jim there is growing concern, heard from charlie rangel of mission creep creepen -- creep in iraq as was in vietnam.
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>> when the president made the announcement in 2011, we are know where near the 11 troops. and 2011 50,000. went to near zero. let's look at two years as we creeped up to zero. june of last year. a year ago when isis first swept into iraq from syria. surprising everyone the u.s. and iraqi forces as well. and as isis made further advances remember the, the siege of mount sinjar, the people trapped there. and the battle for mosul dam, it is ticking up. fall of ramadi here drop from 3,050 today. another 450 large low trainers joining in. we are nowhere near the levels of 150,000 troops of several years ago. but of casually quietly,
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gradually, creeping up higher and higher in just the last 12 months. >> clearly what the president said "america's war in iraq will be over in 2011." that has not occurred. joining us congressman ryan zinke, iraq war veteran, former navy seal commander, a member of the seal team 6 as well serves now on the house armed services committee. congressman. thank you for coming in. >> great to be here. >> you served in iraq falluja, ramadi you know the territory, is this from your perspective mission creep? >> it is a free fall. it won't make a difference putting more troops in. unless we change the policy. air operations is not effective, will not be effective. we don't have intelligence on the ground. we are using facebook in some cases to target. what's the objective? what are we going to do in syria? and how is it we are going to look at the growing influence of iran? before we put troops on the ground more troops on the ground we need to change our
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policy. this president has to recognize that the path we are on has failed. what are we going to do different? putting more troops alone in won't make a difference unless we change our policy. >> the administration says the policy is the mission is to degrade and ultimately destroy isis. do you see that thap penhappening? >> no you could another 1,000 troops in. the problem putting light troops in what if one of the sailors, soldiers airmen get captured? if you don't put sufficient force in where they can defend themselves. you put yourselves in position they will be burned alive in a cave. medevac, if a guy gets hurt you have to get them out in an hour. you need logistics. if you will degrade, defeat isis. if that force package has to be efficient to defend itself and get the job done. the problem is if you take isis territory, the only result you will cede it to shia militia. what's the point? we have to look at what we are
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going to do in syria. are we going to accept a regime change? move to a regime change? what are we going to do about ever-increasing iranian influence?announced, pentagon the white house, another 450 going to baghdad. they're going to the front lines the what worries me a force protection large low dependent on the iraqi military can you depend on the iraqi military to protect 450 american advisers going out there? >> you know i think the troops deserve the best equipment on the battlefield, best training and american armor. look at benghazi what happened. we didn't have a correct force of our weight to go in and help the guys. the same situation is at risk here. if we are going to degrade and defeat isis. at the core of it we have to change -- >> what would you change congressman? what do you want to see happen? you served there you speak with authority.
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>> you talk about the kurds, arm the kurds. >> forget about the baghdad government? >> for now. the question is what about iran? >> the kurds are not going to go into ramadi and anbar province they're going to protect their territory not going to protect sunni or shia? >> nor will they go into mosul because of the ref jefugee problem. >> what do you do to liberate ramadi from isis? >> look at the sunni tribes we fought with. i fought with a lot of them. they're still willing to fight. they're not willing to fight unless we show resolve? >> should the u.s. arm them without the central government of baghdad? that will infuriate the shiite led team al-abadi. >> they have given no support to the sunnis. part of the problem, the sunnis no longer recognize the central government as the power. the shia militia calling out war
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crimes anti-sunni. the sunnis are in a tough spot. do they move to isis radical islamic terrorist organization? defend themselves? or give up? i think we do look at the tribal relationships we had. arm the sunnis. help them with logistics. at the core we have to change our tactics on the ground. figure out what we will do with sunni. how are we going to remove iranian influence to the extent in iraq? >> you spent 23 years, correct me if i'm wrong, as a navy seal? >> i did. >> navy seal salute obey follow the mission, give you an order. you do it. you are a united states congressman right now. do you trust the guys making these decisions? men and women at the pentagon white house, intelligence community do they know what they're doing? >> i trust our military advisers. what i don't trust is this administration. with his core group around his advisers. i think they're giving him bad advice. i don't think it is the military in this case. i have spoken to the senior military officers.
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they understand. former military officers general abazade, conway say the same. air operations will not be effective. we know this coming in. we have seen it. emboldened iraq the isis forces. now we have fewer options, but the options today still are arm the kurds, find the sunni shia that will fight. make sure they have logistics, what they need to fight. figure out a policy about what we are going to do about the central problem is iran. >> congressman, i want you to stand by. we have much more to talk about. including this -- why the u.s. congress senate house, have not approved any legislation authorizing military force against isis in iraq or syria for that matter. much more with congressman ryan zinke when we come back.
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. >> we're back with congressman ryan zinke, member of the house armed services committee, former navy seal commander, served in iraq. talking about the president's decision to send up to another 450 u.s. troops to iraq to train and advise local forces on the front lines in the battle against isis. what do you make of the fact congressman, there is still no congressional authorization passed in the senate or the house authorizing the president to use military force in this
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new war against isis? >> well the president's ae's authorization is -- >> after what after 9/11? you think that's enough? there are colleagues in the house and senate that don't think that is enough to fight al qaeda, this is not al qaeda? >> the consensus is it is enough. the president asked, i was in a room on the white house council, he asked for ability to be restricted. because in his mind. you can fight it from over the horizon. he actually asked congress to further restrict his ability to fight. and as a former navy commander, is i think we deserve to make sure our troops that we put in harm's way have a full array of rules of engagement. what you've don't want to do is tie one hand behind their back or restrict their ability to fight. ideserve -- our troops have everything provided and fight decisively.
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>> when you hear senators democrat, republican, say, "we need legislation authorizing the use of military force." you say that authorization is already there. new legislation is not necessary? >> that's my belief. the president has all the powers. he needs to fight and win this war. >> let's talk about the navy seals for a moment. in recent days there was a very long -- thousand of word article -- in "the new york times." you were quoted in the article. i am sure you read it. one of the quotes in the article about the navy seals was this thisthis -- "america's new way of war in which conflict is distinguished not by battlefield wins and losses but by the relentless killing of suspected militants spurring recurring concerns about excessive killing and civilian deaths." give me your reaction? >> seal team six are highly scrutinized. they identify a threat/nonthreat. it is a risky business. they're not angels.
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they're professionals. you know what we owe them our gratitude and thanks. not everyone can do this job. not everyone is capable of doing this job. they put themselves in harm's way repeatedly. what america need to do is thank, thank you seal team six and delta for everything you do. >> you think in reecen years in the word of "the new york times" story, excessive killing and civilian deaths? >> i don't. they are highly scrutinized. when i conducted an operation in bosnia we were being armchair quarterbacked all the way from washington, d.c. these missions are high value target they're being watched by everybody. multiple layers. they didn't have a lot of leeway other than threat/nonthreat do what you need to do to protect your buddy and carry out the mission successfully. i'm convinced they're the best in the world. we need to support them. >> ryan zinke, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> new warnings to residents of vermont, new york and beyond two dangerous escaped inmates
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not far from site of their dramatic escape. cnn's national correspondent jason carroll, what's the latest? >> well that exhaustive search includes retracing their steps including right here in this neighborhood in front of the prison. checking every building knock on every door expanding the ser to vermont. all this as the the daughter-in-law of the prison employee brought in for questioning is now coming out in her defense. authorities say vermont is now also a potential search area and the manhunt for two escaped murderers. >> we did develop information that had been discussed by these men prior to their escape. the possibility of going to vermont. and finding a location in vermont. >> reporter: officials say they're conducting searches in the state including campgrounds in the lake champlane area. and continues in areas near the prison upstate new york with
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officers checking garages and backyards with search dogs and automatic weapons. others are searching cars at check points. no further word on a lead that dozens of officers pursued in willsboro, 35 miles southeast of the prison. >> motorists observed two men walking down a rural road in the middle of farmland. when the car approached them they took off into the field. >> reporter: but authorities have been able to speak with one lead. joyce mitchell. a prison employee who worked with inmates, richard matt and david sweat. tailoring clothing. a source familiar with the investigation says her phone was used to call an associate of matt's and then she may have planned to pick the two up after they escaped through a manhole but change herd mind at the last minute. authorities have not said whether they suspect mitchell being involved in smuggling the tools or of her knowing her phone was used for the calls. >> she was befriended or she befriended the inmates and may have had some sort of role in assisting them. but i am not prepared to go into
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details on that. >> reporter: her daughter-in-law says mitchell would never help smuggle tools or help an inmate get away in a car. quote, it is appalling to me. i'm totally disgusted that anyone would think she would knowingly help them she told cnn. as to the cell phone calls. matt was interested in art. i believe she was persuaded to contact people about him that knew about an art piece or work of art, she said. she was trying to do something nice and it backfired. authorities warning the public not to engage with the inmates if they see them. a former accomplice of matt's tells cnn he is a master manipulator. >> they're very cunning and dangerous individual. there is nothing that can stop him. >> law enforcement also telling the public to report anything suspicious and to remain vigilant. as for paige mitchell she also talked about that report that its out there that says perhaps her mother-in-law had some sort of a plan to help these two inmates once they were on
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outside. and then changed her mind at the last minute. when i asked her about that wolf she called that report "absolutely ridiculous." wolf. >> jason carroll outside the prison in upstate new york. thank you. let's discuss what is going on. joining us former fbi assistant director, jimful. e -- jim fuentes, and also a cnn law enforcement analyst. and matthew horace former atf, special agent in charge. cedric we heard the governor of new york andrew cuomo, he said escaped prisoners could be headed toward vermont might be in vermont for all we know. officials are working to secure that border area between the two states. will it be harder for authorities to find these two killers if they actually make it out of new york state? >> well, it its nots not going to be any harder than in new york state. they're going to work very closely with the vermont officials there. and i'm sure they're in contact
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with canadian officials too. any state or community that is contiguous to where this escape took place they're going to be very much part of the search. and very much part of the investigation as well too as it goes forward. >> tom, what do you make of this woman, joyce mitchell who worked in the prison has been questioned by authorities. she knew the two guys. her family says she absolutely had nothing involved. but it is an intriguing element in what is going on right now? >> it is wolf. the unfortunate thing is many of the escapes that have happened out of prisons all over the country. some employee of the prison becomes, either a friend or somehow gets involved with the inmate. and provide some kind of assistance. sometimes an organized crime figure they have a lot of money. take care of the guard or employee might be. that's one thing. often times it can be a personal relationship. not necessarily romantic but just some one that gets involved wants to help them. and maybe it got too far. >> this woman joyce mitchell she seems to be cooperating with
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authorities. and she certainly has not yet been charged with any wrongdoing. we'll see what happens on that front. matthew, is there a chance though that the prisoners could have been threatening her? that she was coerced into cooperating? we have seen that before. we also know that the night of their escape sunny went to sunny went off to the hospital complaining of chest pains? >> there is always a chance that could have happened. however you look at this she was involved in some way. and the police now know information that we don't, which is leading them to expand their search out to the contiguous states and look at other people and other factors. >> how would they know that? we heard the governor of vermont, the governor of new york say there is information that suggests these two guys may have tried to go into vermont. how did they get that kind of information, matthew, what do you think? >> well i suspect when she spoke to authorities. because sunny washe was part of the failed escape plan she gave them some information about what was
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the ultimate plan. obviously this plan went awry since the escape stopped. they're on the run. they don't have the sense of security of knowing who is going to take them where. she may have very well given authorities information about where she planned to take them as part of the next step. >> cedric nick harris says his father richard matt has a "genius i.q. and escaped from prison before." is it possible this genius could have plot aid perfect escape plan. because officials, know it is day five of the search. they have not been able to track either of these two men down. >> well it is not unusual wolf for some one who may have some type of psycho pathology still to be a person who is highly intelligent. so he still could be a very well-functioning, very highly intelligent individual. at the same time as well too, could be suffering with some other issues that have brought him to where he is. which of course you look at this crimes that have been reported
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they certainly have been very heinous in nature. so i think we all can pretty much suspect or conclude that there is something else going on with him, mental healthwise. but that does not negate the fact that he still could be a very high functioning, very intelligent individual. >> matthew, let me switch gears for a moment. because well have just got some documents that have been unsealed in the dc mansion murders case. investigators now say they found a baseball bat with what appears to be blood on it. in one of the bedrooms where three of the victims were found. daron wint do you think others may have been involved or at large now? >> the facts indicate there has to be more than one person who is involved in this crime. it involves too many crimes over a course of a time. and you have got to look at this -- ex-tore tgs,tortionextortion, robbery,
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assault, all those things happen over a day and a half. there had to be more than one person involved. the fact that we found a bat, that adds to veracity and violence of mr. wint and who ever was with him during the execution of the crime. >> tom fuentes, what do you think? >> by now they should have found other dna, not belonging to victims. housekeepers their husbands. if they found other dna on the bat or in the house in general, that that may indicate already to them that they know there were more people involved in here that have not been accounted for. >> cedric what do you think? >> well i certainly agree with tom in terms of what he is saying. and certainly as more and more evidence is collected there is going to be further testing. we also have to keep in mind too, wolf, is that i'm quite sure those investigators there in d.c. also operating on information which we may not be privy to yet. they're following up as well too. >> unsealed documents clearly suggest how brutal the killings
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the federal government is teaming up with baltimore to crack down on rioters suspected of using improvised explosive devices to start fires during the violent unrest in april. authorities are releasing pictures of the suspects and reward of $10,000. our correspondent is here in "the situation room" with me now. what did you learn, evan? >> couple weeks ago, anthony batts, made a plea for federal help to try to stem some of the violence plaguing baltimore right now. so today we see some of the federal help coming in the form of the atf making this announcement. showing some of the video, of the incendiary devices, ieds, basically, some were using to set fires to drug stores and to some of the business that were looted in the aftermath of the freddie gray protests. i was also there for the press
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conference held by rod rosenstein the u.s. attorney he announced the indictment against 14 people who were members of this black guerrilla family gang, responsible according to the feds for a lot of the murder and narcotics trafficking plaguing baltimore. the chief, steve vogt had this warning for members of the gang. >> for gang members listening to the intercepts, i was there listening to man of them. a pretty bleak life you have out there. you are going to go to the morgue or go to jail if you don't get out of the gangs. this is your chance if you are in bgf and in the city. we may be coming for you next. >> and wolf right there you see a couple of the federal officials that were in attendance for this press conference. also there was marilyn mosbey state's attorney and police commissioner anthony batts, you know there is a strained
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relationship between the two offices. >> certainly is. evan thank you for that report. one quick question -- what does this mean what happened today to try to end the spike of violence we have seen in recent weeks? >> that's part of the big question. we see these folks are going to have to work together to try to stem some of the violence. one of the people who was indicted to day, wolf was a guy, member of the gang who shot a kid, a juvenile in the head and then was caught on wiretaps threatening witnesses. this is something that the federal government can do with the violence there in baltimore. a lot of times the guys intimidate witnesses. that's why they never go to jail. >> really bad situation. in baltimore. thank you very much for that evan. the city of baltimore clearly has suffered through a dramatic increase in vif lense and homicides in recent weeks. tonight hearing from a pair of baltimore police officers who say they fear facing charges for doing their jobs and the police are looking the other way to avoid confronting criminals.
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cnn's brookeb baldwin sat down with the officers. >> we are not showing their names, faces, and modulated their voices. these are veteran officers to the question evan was referencing, the uptick in violence in baltimore in may, the deadliest month in 42 years. they say, "listen, criminals are taking the time to settle old beefs." they don't think police officers will come after them. i said, "listen, you took the oath to protect and serve." they said "yes." but in the week of freddie gray's death. six colleagues all criminally charged. they by the way, officers believe their actions were justified. they told me they're afraid of being prosecuted as well. they're being reactive not proactive, they're saying essentially to the city of
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baltimore, you want a softer more gentle police department? here you go. are the criminals right in thinking you all will not arrest people as you would before? >> you have to risk of you have to look at it like -- if i chase this guy who possibly has a gun and he gets hit by a car will be i be charged with criminal negligence. these are the things that we have to weigh when we are running past a group of guys on the corner. and we can't make the decision because we will be we run the risk of being criminally charged. >> so referencing past guys on a corner especially guys with bulges in their waist bands, potentially being armed. wolf they will pass by nine times out of ten. i stead what's your biggest fear waking up working as a
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cop on the city streets inn nay? brooke it's not being shot. it's going to jail. >> the police commissioner state's attorney mayor of baltimore support them what do they tell you? >> essentially they're saying all the leaders, a, don't have their backs, b, are playing politics. this is the first time we have been able to get two active officers on the record on a lot offer use. we talked about when it was, marilyn mosbey on the front steps of the war memorial a few weeks ago announcing the officers being criminally charged. brooke that was a campaign speech. but i think i would be remiss not to mention that we have heard from the police commissioner today, in fact it was his second reference to our interview, and he essentially said "listen, i have gone out on calls with some of my officers. they are engaged." he was saying "these men and women take an oath to serve and protect the city. they're ethically bound to do so." and essentially, if they're not,
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they're not doing their jobs. stern words, essentially for the two officers and any officers who think like them. >> brook spechlte, you asked about the public's biggest misconception regarding the freddie gray incident. what did they tell you? >> i did. they said these officers didn't wake up that morning wanting to kill anyone. they think the whole issue about this is intent. they believe, based upon everything they know that freddie gray was not acting compliantly. i asked specifically. there was much made about placing freddie gray in those leg restraints and not buckling him in the back of the van. they said, brooke when some one is not compliant, that happens. that they're not buckled up. as far as the rough rides. that is an anomaly in the city of baltimore. again, no one intended to kill anyone that day. they say the officers were doing their jobs. wolf.
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with xfinity from comcast you can manage your account anytime, anywhere on any device. just sign into my account to pay bills manage service appointments and find answers to your questions. you can even check your connection status on your phone. now it's easier than ever to manage your account. get started at xfinity.com/myaccount tonight, jeb bush is trying to look like a global leader as he prepares to launch his republican presidential campaign
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five days from now. he has been taking another shot at distancing himself from his brother by taking aim at a man he calls a bully. dana bash is covering his trip. she is joining us from poland. how did it go? >> reporter: it's right in the middle of it. it's kind of a rite of passage for a presidential hopeful to make his or her way abroad. it's unusual to do it just days before he formally announced. they are hoping this is a reset button before it becomes official. this overseas trip was supposed to show jeb bush can look presidential on the world stage. but his inability to pull ahead at home followed him to europe. >> i don't read the polls. polls are, you know -- it's fun to see them when you are winning. not so fun when you are not. it doesn't matter. it's june for crying out loud. >> reporter: american reporters traveling with the former florida governor asked about
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changes in his campaign staff before his campaign is official. >> this is an adjustment based on the skills of people i got to know. next monday i will announce what my decision is. i'm excited and i have a really good team. >> reporter: despite hissed advantages he has failed to scare away competitors the way his brother did. in europe jeb bush is trying to intimidate a vexing world leader putin. >> he is a bully. you enable bad behavior when you are nuanced with a guy like that. >> reporter: a different assessment than the one his brother made when he became president in 2001. >> i look the man in the eye. i found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. >> reporter: bush's stops are designed to promise former soviet countries he would protect them. >> putin has changed as well.
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>> in what way? >> he is -- he just invaded another country. that's different than a decade ago. >> reporter: the country he is talking about is ukraine. but putin did, in fact, invade another country when george w. bush was president, georgia. so far, jeb bush hasn't talked about his brother much unpopular still here thanks to the iraq war. he is talking up his dad, for pushing to unite germany. >> my father was deeply supportive. the work was done today. and because of that, germany is whole and germany is free. >> reporter: jeb bush is now here in warsaw poland. tomorrow he will have meetings with leaders here as well as some time to take in the sometimes unfortunate sights that make up the complicated history here in poland. he is going to go to perhaps the most notorious nazi concentration camp auschwitz,
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where more than one million jews were killed. >> dana bash live from warsaw in poland. thanks very much. let's bring in brianna keilar sarah murray and chris moody. thanks for joining us. why are we seeing jeb bush campaign -- i will kaurlcall it a campaign because it is for all practical purposes -- >> i think it was unrealistic expectations. it's a campaign already. just run away with this early was probably unrealistic. that's what people are saying. the other reality is he's not as polished as people thought he was going to be. he didn't have the campaign staff lined up in the right way. and we have seen that with the way jeb bush handled questions, whether it's about the iraq war, the war in indiana, he is not as
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prepared as people thought. >> what do you make of the staff shakeup that he has done in recent days in advance of his formal announcement monday? >> given it happened right before the announcement it's very interesting. we saw david kochel who is possibly the campaign manager, now senior strategist. he knows the early stays well. with a wide field, his campaign realizes that they will need someone on the ground that can win those. it's very difficult because the competition is fierce. what is going to be interesting is seeing the new staff with jeb bush and how they interact with the longtime staff that has been with him for an exceptional amount of time. >> how is hillary clinton campaign dealing with this? do they fear a jeb bush campaign? >> sure they do i think. if the election were in a week i think they would feel like they were in a good place against jeb bush. but it's so far away from the election. it's so far away even from really the primary process that they're not ruling jeb bush out. i don't think anyone really is at this point.
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it's more of a wake-up call that jeb bush really needs to perform or you are going to have the donor class on the republican side questioning him. democrats certainly i think that they worry that he could be someone who could give hillary clinton a run for her money. you see the way they hit at jeb bush. certainly taking marco rubio seriously and scott walker. >> florida is a key state, obviously, either marco rubio or jeb bush could carry florida. that would be a huge setback for any democratic candidate. >> absolutely. anyone who gets in florida early on and is able to build relationships, build the ground game that carries over to the general election. that's a big deal. it's going to cost jeb and mark a lot of money to be fighting head to head. you come away with scars. it's not like voters forget all of this stuff that's been dredged up. >> i hear from democrats, including people close to hillary clinton, they fear the possibility, let's say marco rubio or jeb bush as a
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presidential nominee and carrying florida, picking john kasich and that could help them carry ohio if they take florida and ohio that could be significant in the electoral college win. >> anyone who follows politics knows it's about the map. i'm talking about the general election night. if you lose florida, you have to have a contingency plan to win other states. i'm sure the hillary clinton complain is looking at that. it makes it harder when you can't win a state like that. >> hillary clinton, she starts an instagram account and posted a picture of herself. take a look at not necessarily herself, red, white and blue pants suits. >> she's actually i think -- this is the first, but she's posted three pictures. you know she's being patriotic. she's being self-deprecating. she's promoting her book and the fact that she's a grandmother. what this is about is just
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another way to reach out to young voters. most young people more than 50% of them have an instagram account. also it's popular with women. key constituencyies. but quick numbers. seven hours -- bernie sanders has an instagram account. he has been posted for two weeks. hillary has been posting for seven hours, she has 46,000. >> not bad. >> i want to -- >> i want that many. >> tomorrow night, cnn is starting a new documentary series "the '70s." i was around then. i've been promising our viewers what do i look like without a beard? none of you have seen me without a beard. >> never. i'm excited. >> you have ever seen me -- >> not -- >> i will show a picture we will post. there he is. there's wolf blitzer, groovy play list. we put on some of my favorite
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songs. if you want to listen to some of my favorite songs -- you will know a lot of the songs, even though you probably weren't around in the '70s, you will like the songs. you will love our documentary. >> when did you switch to the beard? >> shortly after that picture i said you know what let me try growing a beard. i didn't like shaving. i've had the beard ever since. it used to be darker. >> yeah, a little bit. it's a great hair do of the era. >> i like that. >> i look older? >> no. but we would love to see that hair do now. >> exactly. maybe we can get a wig. >> sink into your chair. put on some disco music. catch cnn's original series "the '70s" tomorrow night on cnn, 9:00 p.m. eastern. you will want to see it. it's really terrific. we will bring back memories. remember you can follow us on
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