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twitter. and don't forget to tune in tonight to cnn's owner series "the seventies." that's it for "the lead. "turning you over to brianna keilar, who is filling in for wolf blitzer, except she will not have the beard. brianna? \s. happening now, close in the man hundred dollars intensifies as dogs pick up the scent of two escaped murderers. the search is in a small area where clues were found, are the killers about to be caught? the wild side. police are talking to a prison employee who allegedly was made to feel special by one of the killers. someone who knows hers says she was always attracted to trouble. more american troops. just after the obama administration announced a fresh deployment the pentagon is talking about building new bases near the front line. and terror teen a 17-year-old pleads guilty to
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helping isis. how did a young american living just a few miles from the white house get involved with the terror group? wolf blitzer is off today. i'm brianna keilar, you are in "the situation room." we begin with this hour's breaking news. police play be closing in on a pair of dangerous escaped murderers. sources say the dogs picked up a scent and investigators found food wrappers and a shoot or bootprints. police hoping to avoid tipping off the killers by saying only that a lead has developed. state police also said aircraft and extra searchers have been brought in. they are strongly urging anyone in the area to lock their doors and report any sign of trespassing or unusual activity. we have experts working their sources, they're standing by with cnn reporters who have been
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covering all of today's breaking new. the new area they're searching i want to begin with miguel marquez. what have you seen miguel? >> we're about seven miles from the prison about four miles from where that area was where those -- where they are now intensifying their search. what they found overnight was an area that appeared to have been bedded down like leaves and grass turned into a bit of a mattress. they found the food wrappers the shoot print, and most importantly searchers says dogs picked up a scent, which leads them to believe they were there faurgly p recently. they brought in about 12 very large sodium lights that will probably light up very large areas overnight. fresh state troopers coming in in buses and vans going in as well. 500 searchers now, sifting through some 600 leads.
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hundreds of homes, a lot of them summer homes in this area as well. some may be empty. they are telling people if they are going back to their summer homes, if they're having somebody check on them if there's any sign of a break-in let authorities no. authorities also trying to get through those vacant summer homes to figure out if they may be holed up in those places as well. there are rumors concerns there was one earlier today that? rifle shots had been heard, in gunshots had been heard in the area of cadysville new york that turned out to be nothing, police say. it is a very rural area a lot of hunting goes on here. it would be pretty common to hear gunshots in this area. but they are intensifying their search. they expect to have helicopters up possibly with flir or the ability to see heat here-seeking cameras later
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tonight so they can possibly search a very broad area and see if they can see anyone outside. >> thank you for the update. we are learning more details about the prison workers who is being questioned about the escaped. they say that joyce mitchell befriended the men and may have had a role. brian todd you discovered some pretty surprising details? >> we have. we have new details, new information about joyce mitchell where she grew up and an account from her former brother-in-law about her earlier marriage and new specific details of her contact with the escaped inmates. escapee richard matt made joyce mitchell feel special. that's what she told police according to a source familiar with the investigation. the source says mitchell did not specifically mention she was in love with matt. >> she was befriended or she befriended the inmates, and may have had some sort of role in
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assisting them. >> reporter: 51-year-old joyce mitchell nickname till yesterday worked with the two escapees. a source close to the investigation say authorities believe she was going to drive the getaway car for them after their escape but at the last minute she changed her mind. mitchell has been, quote extremely cooperative with investigators, according to the local d.a. she's not been arrested or charged. her son toby told nbc news she's not the person that would help escape. she definitely wouldn't have an affair against my ferret and it definitely wouldn't be with an inmate. >> he's refer to her current home. i spoke with her former brornt though she hasn't seen her in 25 years, he doesn't think very highly about his former sister-in-law. >> she's always looking for the
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wild side. >> i asked about the short marriage to his brother. >> very rocky. she cheated on my brother, and that kind of broke his heart. >> reporter: cnn made multiwall questions, but if mitchell her, couldn't be -- as the man hunt intensifies and joyce mitchell speaks to investigates she still hasn't spoken publicly about her contact with the inmates. a new york state official tells cnn authorities are holding off on any move to charge joyce mitchell with being an accomplice concerned that any legal action might end her cooperation. the clinton county district attorney declined to comment on any such decision brianna. >> and brian, her former brother-in-law i know he shared some additional details with you. this was a tough divorce, right? >> yeah, some sad details about the breakup. he said after the split, his
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brother battled alcohol problems and got in tlubl with the law, and his brother never got to see the son after the divorce. we've made multiple requests and they could not be reached for comments on the new details. with you noise is robert fernandez, commander of the capitol area regional fugitive task force. given what you know here about man hunts and the facts they clues have been picked up the scents from the dogs and this bedding and food wrappers, how promising is that? >> well it's difficult to say. i can't confirm or deny that any of that is actually -- >> and they're not saying that they don't want to tip off -- >> correct, but there's no timestamp on a scent, so it's very easy that these guys could have lipid out of any perimeter if they are in that area. it's very l.a. similar to the
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eric fraim man hunt. it's difficult to contain an area line that. >> eric frain, he was an outdoorsman, he had survival skills to boot. that made him tough to track down. these were two guise who we are told parent they're not outdoorsy guys and one was on pain medication for a bad back. so you assume that without that medication he has some physical limitations. is this a different situation, as you assess the abilities of these guys? >> absolutely. they've been out of society for a while. they've been locked up. they didn't have the time or the ability to do any preparations. eric frain was the exact opposite. his prosecution is still ongoing, so i can't go into much details, but he had made preparations. us as investigates out there looking for him, we found concrete evidence that he was
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still in that area. it's difficult to say in this case. that's why i want to stress that it's very easy for people to slip out, call someone, hop on a bus. so we need to have the public still be vigilant and maintain -- keep an eye out for these guys. >> back to the scent. there has been some rain. there was an area where it appeared someone had been sleeping. when you think the rain and weather issues impacting that does that give you -- would somebody like that give you a sense, any sort of trace they may find of these guys any sort of hit from the dogs? is it going to -- would you think they would have been there sooner? more recently because the rain might have watched it away if say, it had been two days and there had been rain and the dogs might not have caught the scent? or is it pock they catch a scent days and days even with rain? >> i'm not an expert on bloodhounds or sidetracking
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dogs. we have been in situations where we have used them bloodhounds are amazing, incredible animals. it's hard to say. i was told by a bloodhound handler the difference between a bloodhound and german shepherd and the ability to smell is the same difference between a german shepherd and you with your ability to smell. if that is the case that they did pick up those scents it looks pretty promising. i'm sure the new york state police are doing everything they can right now to follow up on that but we still have to keep an open mind. one of them or both of them could have slipped out, and we have to -- we have to remember that and know they could be anywhere in the country. >> you say one or both of them. is there any way -- you've seen man hunts similar to this before. if you have escapees and there's two of them do they tend to stay together? >> it's really hard to say that too. some some cases they do.
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orders times they split apart. one they have received help they split apart. the texas escapees they all stayed together. so it's hard to say. there's no real way to make that determination at this point. let's talk about this female prison employees investigators are focusing on joyce mitchell. we understand that she told investigators that richard matt made her feel quote, special. we've heard from people who know him. they say he's a master manipulator. so it sort of fits together with maybe what we're hearing. what kind of critical information can someone like joyce mitchell who may have an idea of what is going on what might she be provided? >> well that gets into an area that is more sensitive, because the investigation is ongoing and there could be possible prosecution. i really don't want to get into that and i understand why people would be curious about
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that but you can assume that the state police are going to be looking at everything everything she's saying and following up on any leads that are developed by interviews with her. >> are you surprised that -- so you say these guys may have slipped further afield than this search area which when you look on a map is actually pretty small. is there sort of a pattern to what escapees do? >> where we saw with -- we've seen with some of these escapees that they might be just be very close to where the staging area is. is that normal? is that unusual? >> well it's not unusual. it's not normal either. it depends on a case by case basis. they could by hunkered down in some area. there's a lot of seasonal cabins and recreational houses that are only occupied part of the year. we really need people who may be
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full time living in that area noise something different, a cabin that normally doesn't have activity and then they see that activity. >> you think that's the keys? even shacks as we can see in maps outside some of these homes? >> it could be. if they are still in that area it could be. with eric fraim manhunt, he was actually breaking into those places. you can always find canned food. it's a possibility and needs to be checked out. so if people know they have vacation homes out there, and if they notice anything that they thought was just vandalism from normal kids or something, but they should call their local police and let them know and get the word to us. >> robert thank you so much for giving us ahn update. robert fernandez. >> thank glue please stand by. we are more news, and we'll be back in just a moment.
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previously received a complaint about her relation-with one of these two escaped inmates, according to a state official who was briefed on the investigation. with you now assistant director tom fuentes and former atf special agent in charge. they had previously gotten a complaint concern her relationship with one of the two escaped inmates. often -- this is a com situation that happens in prisons where female staff members, usually not the guards themselves but on which people brought in to teach various things or do rehab, that type of thing, end up in some type of relationship between the inmates. it's not uncommon.
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tom says is fairly common in the penal system for this to happen both with men and with women. >> what is she telling, tom? what is she telling officials? >> i don't know exactly how kooismt tiff she is or how much sheets able to cooperate in that regarding, but you know she would know a lot and is able to keep telling them a lot. which is why they wouldn't want to bring charges. they would keep the situation where she's at at and keep talking to her, getting more information about where they might have gone. >> you've seen this search area that's relatively close to the prison and the areas where the bloodhounds got a hit on these
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guys, is just a fee miles from the prison where they escaped. is this normal? do you normally see escapees get as far away as possible? orb stay close and bide their time before they get away? >> just like our colleague said from the united states marshal's service, there is no normal or abnormal but let's keep several things in mind. this case parallels very closely to the eric frain case but there are definite differences, the only thing is their ability to maintain sustenance food clothing et cetera and their ability to navigate the terrain. i haven't heard anything that said these guys were master manipulators out in the woods. so they could be walking for days and be in a very small area if they don't know how to navigate. >> that's why we're keeping an eye and why authorities are keeping an eye on these cabins
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and buildings around these areas. matt thanks so much. tom, really appreciate it. coming up with another 450 u.s. troops headed to iraq the pentagon is talking about creating bases near the front lines. that could require hundreds more american troops. what is the mission here? and a 17-year-old honor student pleads guilty to using social mediaimmediatemedia to support isis and helping eat teen travel to syria to join the terrorist group. you're in soich soiismt. ♪ and i'll never desert you ♪ "the situation room." ♪ i'll stand by you ♪ yeah! yeah. so, that's our loyalty program. you're automatically enrolled. and the longer you stay, the more rewards you get. great. oh! ♪ i'll stand by you ♪ ♪ won't let nobody hurt you ♪ isn't there a simpler way to explain the loyalty program? yes. standing by you from day one. now, that's progressive.
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just a day after the obama administration announced plan to send another 450 troops to iraq the pentagon is talking about creating a system of forward bases, located like lily pads across the front lines. i'm going to go to pentagon correspondent barbara starr. explain this to us. >> it's all a highly classified plan that the pentagon has been working on. if approved it could be more u.s. troops in some areas of iraq of the heaviest combat. flashy training for isis fighters. propaganda? absolutely but the isis threat could send hundreds of diggal u.s. troops to iraq. the pentagon is now actively looking at sending troops to at least four more iraqi bases,
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possibly dozens more. it means either shifting u.s. troops already there, or sending more. >> we're going to start -- >> the idea unveiled just hours after the administration announced 450 troops were going to an initial location in anbar province. the key xonened of this strategy is to improve their capabilities and their confidence on the battlefield. >> iraqi air strikes pack a punch on anbar, but ground troops are still trueles. eye is with explosives terrorizing everyone. additional u.s. troops would advise iraqi units headed into combat trying to gain back territory. the new idea -- additional base locations would serve as so-called lily pads centers of security operations in a zone of conflict. >> this is all very
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hypothetical because this is not a recommendation that the president's military advisers have offered. >> general martin dempty chairman of the joint chiefs, told reporters we're looking all the time to see if additional sites might be necessary. the nos likely additional location along the core dock from baghdad to tikrit to kirkuk over to mosul, the second city that iraqi forces want to take back for isis. these so-call lily pads u.s. troops would provide iraqis key military skills like command and control, logistics, resupply the types of failures racki forces had during the fall of ramadi. >> the concept of a lily pad strikes me as a little iffy. is the facility potentially overunder? will equipment be confiscated? more meltdowns and debacles like
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in ra mandi a few weeks away? >> reporter: no one can say how many right now. some may be rerepositioned but a good deal may come from their bases here in the inns. joining mess more to talk about it is adam kinsinger. >> i want to asking but something that general martin dempsey said about thinks lily pad sites. these are these additional bases that would be near the front lines. they're trying to support iraqi troops. you heard her say reply, command and control, logistics, but this is really out there how is this not potential troops on the ground? >> i think it's getting to the fine line. when all is said and done you're going to have to have security at these bases. to an extent i think it will
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have to be american security. obviously if you're training troops that you don't think are adequate -- >> you don't rely on them for security. >> absolutely. this is a start. i'm not opposed to this but we have to see a broad overall complete strategy. i think the president can do and he's the only one can that do this. he needs to do an oval office address to the american people -- why is isis imbalanced? how has this happened? and how are we going to defeat them? and it's not just iraq dealing with. we could kick eye sisz out of iraq that would be fantastic. it's in syria where the molden lava is spitting out from. it has to be a broad strategy beyond iraq. >> how does he outline this? and how does congress say this is what he needs to do when congress has not had a full debate on authorizing military force in this fight against
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isis? >> congress is not commander in chief. first off -- >> isn't it one thing he need to say to have a broad strategy and isn't it another for congress to do its job have been and have a debate in a formal way? >> i'm not opposed to the use of military force. i believe the president is acting legally, but what he said to us limited not just him, but limited the next president. he sudden this is a three-year aumf it would not have enduring offensive operations and there are limits i'm not willing to vote for. if the president wants to limit his own strategy that's fine but he will not make congress complicit in the recommendation. >> we have a recommendation 450 additional troops right now that's what the recommendation is but when you look at the possibility for these lily pad sites, extra bases, don't you think that number will grow? >> it probably will and probably should.
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there will be some receptioning i'm sure to more forward lines, but it probably will take more troops. i think the important part of the strategy we did this in iraq during the surge and this is why we were so successful. we begain interdiction on high-level targets with special places. they're very good at what they do. they krishd the target they went off. this is what these men train to do every day, you take one target you get ten new targets, that lead to 100 and you begin wrapping up that network. >> americans look at these recommendations for more troops. they are concerned about combat troops, boots on the ground how much danger are these additional troops in? and will more be if these -- >> look they're in danger in a very bad part of the world. let's not forget they're very good at what they do. if you see a military unit head
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to head with an isis unit that's attacking them. i garpt tee we would crush them in a onesided way. that's not to downplay the danger so we need rescue operations available. we need combat power available to protect them but no doubt we have to do something. otherwise this is a problem that will not just end in iraq and say poor iraq it's a failed state, it will spread everywhere else. >> congressman, thank you for joining us. >> you bed. a judge rules there's enough evidence to -- but this comes after private citizens requested murder charges. does the prosecutor in this case have to comply? just miles from the white house, a teenager pleads guilty to using social media to support isis and help another teen travel to syria to join the terror group. ♪ [announcer]when we make beyond natural dry dog and cat foods. we start with real meat as the first
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in an unusual ruling a judge hayes said there's enough evidence to charge cleveland police officers with homicide in the shooting death of 12 years old ka mir rice who was holding a pellet gun, but the ruling comes out after private citizens bypassed the prosecutor and requested charges. what happens now? we begin with evan perez. the judge says yeah you have probably cause for arresting these officers.
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i agree with you, but basically all judge can do is advise prosecutors to do this and it's nonbinding. where does that leave us? >> that's right. this is an unusual law. it basically allows outside citizens to come to a judge and say we believe there's enough evidence for you to charge someone with a crime. it's very rarely used even in ohio. the judge has decided there is enough to charge the rookie officers with if any gent homicide and the second officer with negligent homicide and dereliction of duty. the ruling is very stark. he says -- the judge says the immediate question is notorious and hard to watch. after viewing it several times, this court is still thunderstruck about how quickly this event turned deadly. what this means is it's up to
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the prosecutor to decide whether he wants to go along with what this judge believes is clearly a crime. and what it does is increases pressure frankly for the prosecutors to try to do something here that there's a lot of pressure from the public already to charge these two officers. >> just ramps it up. i want to talk by phone to martin savidge. he's in cleveland. i think you are actually talked to the prosecution, right? what's the reaction to this? >> i was having a prosecution with the-- conversation with the prosecutor this morning, and this is why we were in cleveland. we had a sense something was going to come down. timothy mcginty says with this case as with all other deadly use case will go to the grand jury. that has been the policy of this office since i was elected, ultimately the grand jury decides whether police officers are charged or not charged.
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as it just so happened. i was talking to the head of the cleveland police patrolmen's association, the police union, when this ruling came do you remember. they're very angry about this. how in the world, if it does go to a prosecution of the officers the jury pool is so effect affected a judge is saying yes, it's worth charging this man, so they find it unusual and certainly damning, and so far a grand jury has not ruled out any of this. >> let's bring in sunny hosten to give us insight. explain this to us. if this is going to a grand jury anyway how does this change things sore than symbolically ratcheting up this public pressure? >> i think largely it is symbolic. still to day, what weight the order carries with the
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prosecutor is unclear. the judge felt -- else said there was this conflict between the laws and the rules laid down by the supreme court, so he himself could not issue warrants without a prosecutor's complaint. so i think it's somewhat symbolic but does place pressure on the prosecution. let's be clear. that mir rice was shot almost 7 months ago. this stands in stark contrast to what we saw just recently? baltimore where these officers were charged without the grand jury and just a few weeks later the grand jury did indict. so i think seven months into it is certainly time for this case to have been investigated and for this case to have been presented in full to a grand
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jury. as the judge said in his order, everyone has seen this video. so i think this will put the onus on the prosecution to tighten this up and get their work done. evan? >> i think what sunny is referring to also is what we're seeing around the country is prosecutors and really the judicial system trying to struggle to come up with a way to deal with what is clearly a problem, a police officer's, you know civil civilians, and how -- whether or not to bring charges. we saw what happened in ferguson with a prosecutor who decided to what everybody believes rig the system so that there was one outcome that was preordained. then we see what marilyn mosby has done in baltimore, and swing the pendulum in a totally different direction. this is another way, outside citizens coming forward to a judge, a judge basically agrees
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with them. it will be interesting to see how other jurisdictions deal with this. clearly there's a problem. you have a problem with police officers killing citizens and there being lack of accountability. that's the general view in the public. i think this will be an interesting way to deal with this. >> evan perez, thank you so much. sunny, thank you. he admits he was a secret recruiter for isis. how many people did he help? and also a live update for the man hasn't for the two escaped murderers. bloodhounds have picked up a scent. so print all you want and never run out. right now, buy an eligible printer and get three months of free ink with hp instant ink. available at participating retailers. the most affordable way to print. hp instant ink. leave early go roam sleep in sleep out
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a virginia teenager is admitting that he used social media to support isis and helped another teenager to travel to syria. joe johns has been looking into this. joe? >> he tweeted, blogged, promoted and recruited isis followers all over the internet for about eight months. but the big reveal came today as the fbi said the face behind that enormous online presence was actually a teenager from northern virginia. a teenager they had been investigating for helping isis sympathizers with their financing. tonight, a 17-year-old honor student from a d.c. suburb pleading guilty to giving material support to isis after the fbi tracked him down for recruiting for the terror group.
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the fbi received information that amin was communicating online with known and unknown individuals and believed to be members of isil and that he was supporting violent jihad. >> reporter: we now know amin who dropped out of a manassas virginia, high school in feb, was -- february was a blogger for jihad. promoted itself as dedicated to raising awareness about the upcoming conquest of the americas. >> he worked to create a prolific online presence that included more than 4,000 followers on his twitter account. using the moniker, he was an influential online figure who inspired individuals who wanted to financially support isil. >> prosecutors say he was instrumental in helping an 18-year-old actually travel to syria to join isis. the justice department has filed charges against him, too but he
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is still believed to be overseas. he was also helping isis sympathizers financially by teaching them about the virtual currency known as bitcoin. >> that included directing people how to use bitcoin and how to use bitcoin anonymously. he also enganlged in recruitment to try to get them to fight with isis. >> amin's lawyer says his client's fervor and support for isis was all about opposing regime of syrian dictator al assad. >> there is a lot of people of conviction who oppose the assad regime, and when you share those beliefs beliefs, it's very easy to get caught up in joining, at least in the virtual world, some movement that you feel is opposing something that is absolutely criminal. >> amin joins the growing ranks of promising young muslims in america who have been lured into
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radical islam online. he face ss up to 15 years in prison for his involvement in this case. >> i want to bring in cnn national analyst peter bergen as well as former cia official phil mud. this arrest this plea does this deter or does it embolden isis sympathizers? >> i watched a lot of cases like this at the fbi. it is hard to deter a 17-year-old. i think the interesting story is we used to ask communities in places that were at risk in minneapolis, for example, back in the days of al qaeda before isis please tell us if you see your kid is going south. but that kid was recruited in secret. what we're finding today is the huge vulnerability isis exposes itself to when kids like this are up on twitter. how stupid can you be at 17 to be up on a public media site to say i want to participate in
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isis recruitment efforts. >> seriously. and he even went, like sparring online with the state department once about the islamic state. these are very brash sympathizers but we understand that there are, according to the fbi, about 200,000 individuals who are getting these messages online from isis. that's a huge audience. >> it's a huge audience but just to pick up on what phil said it is great to law enforcement when people are posting on social media, publicly on facebook and twitter, they can also do it in a protected password kind of a thing or a direct message on twitter. which is harder for law enforcement to look at without a warrant. but typically, these are kids who aren't paying a lot of attention to these things. sometimes they are encrypting messages. sometimes they're not. but in this case this kid must have drawn a lot of attention with as you say, sparring with the state department online. >> real quick, 15 years, too long too short? >> for a 17-year-old, it's a very long sentence. >> it's too long. in my judgment as a counterterrorism guy, we have a
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