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n they escaped from. tonight, law enforcement officers are scouring every inch of a narrowed search area. special connection. we are learning more about a prison worker's relationship with one of the escapees. she told police he made her feel special. and a man who's known her for years is telling cnn about her "wild side." expanding battlefield. the u.s. is looking for more places for american forces to aid the battle against isis. is a new deployment to iraq just the beginning? and murder charges? a judge in cleveland just released a bombshell opinion in the tamir rice case. will two police officers now be prosecuted in the shooting of a 12-year-old while he was playing with a toy gun? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off today. i'm brianna keilar. you're in "the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news. hundreds of law enforcement officers may be closing in on two escaped murderers right now. they plan to work into the
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night. they're searching an area not far from the up state, new york prison, where the convict busted out six nights ago. police have zeroed in after dogs picked up a scent that likely came from fugitives. other evidence was found suggesting they had slept there, that they'd eaten there, and tonight the area is on lockdown. nearby residents are living in fear of these two brutal killers, knowing that they're probably getting desperate and determined to avoid capture. we have correspondents analysts and news makers standing by as we cover all of the news that is breaking right now. we go first to cnn's miguel marquez, he is near the site of the manhunt. miguel? >> reporter: law enforcement sources have come forth with some 600 tips. some 500 searchers are out there right now searching hundreds of homes. they are narrowing now on an area about five square miles. the search intensifying. blood hounds picked up a strong scent three miles from the prison where murderers richard
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matt and david sweat escaped. imprints of a shoe and multiple food wrappers giving authorities confidence they are closing in on the fugitives. >> we're looking underneath every rock behind every tree and inside every structure until we catch these two. >> reporter: authorities creating a perimeter around the sites canvassing the woods and area homes leaving a community on edge. >> it's scary. i mean they literally could have been in my backyard the whole time running through you know making their way by to keep going where they're located now. >> reporter: tonight joyce mitchell, a prison worker who sources say may have helped the prisoners escape, says that one of the escapees richard matt made her feel special, but official would not say she was in love. authorities are holding off charging mitchell because she's being extremely cooperative and continues to provide information critical to the case. >> if these relationships or
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this relationship occurred over months or years, there's a lot of potential intelligence value in these debriefings. >> investigators believe mitchell planned to pick up the inmates after their escape but changed her mind at the last minute. her cell phone was used to call several people connected to matt. it is unclear who made the calls, when they were made or whether mitchell knew anything about them. and now what you're looking at are several state trooper police cars that have just pulled up here all of them with three or four -- or five of them in one case in an suv. they've all gone into the area that's now blocked off there. we saw several trucks come through, flat bed trucks with the sodium lights. they'll be lighting up this area with. we saw buses, state troopers coming in as well. replacements for those searchers out there. we also know that they have helicopters up with the night vision the ability to see heat
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sources as well. so they'll be flying as well. all hands on deck basically to find these people. they think that they will find them and they hope that they are looking in the right place. >> and they hope they find them soon. miguel marquez, right there near the search zone. thank you. right now, we are learning even more about that prison worker who knew these fugitives and possibly played a role in their escape. brian todd spoke with a man who's known her for many years. what did he tell you? >> some interesting things about their past. first, we have new information tonight on joyce mitchell's involvement in this case. corrections officialsed a previously received a complaint about joyce mitchell's relationship with one of the two escaped inmates. that is according to a state official briefed on the investigation. the complaint is what led to investigators zeroing in on mitchell as a possible accomplice. the department of connections did not return calls seeking comment. the official who spoke on that did not specify which inmate but as we've been reporting, a source familiar with the investigation says mitchell told police that escapee richard
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matt, seen here, made her feel "special." mitchell's son toby told nbc news she is not the kind of person who would help inmates escape. on a possible relationship with richard matt here's what he had to say on that. >> she definitely wouldn't have an affair against my father. and definitely wouldn't be with an inmate. there's no truth to that. >> reporter: he was referring to mitchell's current husband, his stepfather. i spoke with joyce mitchell's former brother-in-law thomas primo. i asked her about his short marriage to his brother years ago. >> rocky. very rocky. she cheated on my brother and that kind of broke his heart. >> thomas primo says joyce mitchell met his brother when they were very young and that she goes by the nickname tilly. primo does not think very highly overall of his former sister-in-law. >> there's a wild side of people i guess. always looking for the ones that
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are a little bit trouble. >> thomas premo admits he has not seen joyce mitchell in at least 25 years. cnn has made multiple requests but neither joyce mitchell her ex-husband or their biological son could be reached for comment. >> if she's involved you would think that authorities might charge her. are they going to? >> reporter: it's a very delicate situation on that. a new york state official tells cnn authorities are holding off charging her on the moment concerned that if they take any legal action against her, she might stop cooperating. the clinton county district attorney has declined to comment on any decision regarding that. >> all right, brian todd, thank you so much. i appreciate it. joining me now, we have cnn's paulo sandoval. he is outside of the super max prison where the convicts escaped. give us the latest from there. >> reporter: some new numbers that were just released by new york state police really are an indication that law enforcement here are searching the area, have support from the community, and plenty of it. a spokesperson for that agency released some brand-new numbers
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just minutes ago saying that at least 650 leads have been received. and those are just local here. officials believe that there are potentially hundreds more that have been received from across the country, even from other countries like canada, which is not far from here and mexico. i can tell you that people here and some of the nearby communities, like kativille, which is close to the focus of the manhunt, and west plattsburg people here are tremendously impacted by this search. some businesses are closing. the ones that are staying open there's very little business. people here ready to get their lives back to normal. >> thanks so much. joining me now on the phone, we have bernie bassett, the town supervisor of platsburg, this is inside of the search area very close to this prison. >> what i've been hearing, the words on the edge wanting to get lives back together.
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that really does a great job to describe it. people woke up this morning in my community and they learned the school was closed. many of them weren't able to leave their homes to get to work. some who do shift work were coming back. have trouble getting back into their home. when you hear helicopters directly overhead you see the search lights and the troops. a long way from normal. >> have any of them reported seeing these men? >> no we haven't heard that. in fact, the information we get oftentimes this is a very active search. what's able to come out through the media. >> what's the terrain like in this area where these men may be? >> it's very wooded. we would say there are areas of swamp, etc. but these last couple of days we had an enormous amount of rain, and where swamp wasn't there previous, it's there now.
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it's been very difficult. we sometimes relate that to the escapees but these law enforcement officers, a great number of them county sheriff, the state police corrections officers forest rangers, etc. these are family members of those who live in the community there. husbands and brothers and sons. and we're concerned about them as well. the conditions they've been working in and what they may be facing. >> all right, bernie thanks so much for joining us. bernie bassett, the town supervisor of plattsburgh, which is inside of the search area. we want to take a closer look at this manhunt. we have former fbi assistant director tom fuentes, a cnn law enforcement analyst. let's pull up our first map here so that we can take a look. this is -- i think there have been some thought before that these convicts might be heading towards canada. and yet the search area it keeps kind of getting closer in. so this is by lake champlain.
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>> initially they thought they were going west toward canada. when they learned that ride didn't show up for them and now they're on foot and sightings came to the south and to the east this way, that's why the search area went down here. various roadblocks forward route 74. >> and so this is cadyville. let's go to our next map. >> and cadyville is about five miles from dannemora. now they've found the bedding material and the food wrappers in this area. now they're trying to concentrate on this particular area. part of the search area near dannemora and the greater surrounding area where there are
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many residents, many buildings. >> a little more spread out. but this is great. it gives us such a good picture. >> this particular shot we wanted to bring up every little residence, shack, garage that they could use for shelter and count them up. the shaded area up here is the town of dannemora. so outside of the town we have 330 separate buildings that they could use for shelter, that they could hide in. some of these are vacation homes in the wintertime people leave them. one of the concerns here is if they go to a house and the doors are locked and it looks secure are they breaking in are they going in to look inside? if they're not, it's possible that these guys found a house that's unlocked went inside, then they locked the door and from the outside it would look
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perfectly secure. this is what happened with christopher dorner from two years ago, went on a shooting rampage, went up into the mountains, into the forest and found a house to hide in. so he was hiding less than a mile from the police command post for a week in a house. >> let's zoom in a little bit to see how close these houses are together. some of these also have shacks out the back. little areas. there we go. there you can see it. these are gardening sheds that someone may not have even checked yet. >> the temperatures dropped into the 20s. you would want shelter. this would not only protect them
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from the elements. maybe not completely but at least for a couple of nights but it would also shield them from the helicopter search and plane search, which are using infrared devices. at night, the cold ground would look dark and a mammal whether it's a living breathing human would look like a white ghost on the ground. and if you have a close enough view, it would look like they're a walking ghost. and that's where they would want to be shielded from that kind of a view. and then when it rains heavily and is foggy, they could move around that way knowing that there's no aircraft above them. >> fascinating look. thanks so much for showing us that. we've really got a good sense of the terrain there. just ahead, we're going to change gears and talk about the just released opinion by a judge in cleveland in a fatal police shooting caught on video. he says that there's probable cause to file charges against the officers involved in the death of 12-year-old tamir rice. we'll get reaction from the rice
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controversial police shooting caught on video. a judge found there was probable cause to prosecute the officer involved in the death of 12-year-old tamir rice. will this lead to charges including a charge of murder? let's bring in evan perez. he's here with the latest. this is complicated. this may be something that is non-binding, but maybe it amps up the pressure on the prosecutor. >> it certainly will amp the pressure up for the prosecutor there in cleveland to decide whether to bring charges against these two officers. according to this ruling from a cleveland municipal judge, there is probable cause to bring charges against officer timothy lowman for murder involuntary manslaughter negligent homicide and dereliction of duty. against the second officer for negligent homicide and dereliction of duty. the ruling from this judge says in part the video in question in this case is notorious and hard to watch. after viewing it several times, this court is still thunder struck by how quickly this event turned deadly. and what this signifies is that
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this judge is saying to the prosecutor i think you should charge these officers but he also says that under this very rarely used law, which is allowed outside citizens to ask a judge to bring these charges, that he can't really force the prosecutor to do this. that it is still the prosecutor's final decision. we have a statement from prosecutor in cleveland. he says this case as with all other fatal use of deadly force cases involving law enforcement officers will go to the grand jury. this has been the policy of this office since i was elected. ultimately the grand jury decides whether police officers will be charged or not charged. what's remarkable about this case is it's an unusual law. it's not very common around the country to have laws like this. we saw what happened in ferguson with a prosecutor who went one direction, basically threw everything to a grand jury and seemed to rig the system to a result. and then we saw what marilyn
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mosby did in baltimore. this is certainly another way to go about it which is to increase pressure on the prosecutor to bring charges. >> all right, evan perez thank so much. appreciate that report. hard stuff to explain, but it's important to detail it. >> absolutely. >> joining me on the phone, we have the attorney representing tamir rice's family. benjamin can you tell us -- have you spoken to the family of tamir rice since this news broke? can you give us their reaction to this? >> i had an opportunity to speak to his father and his grandmother. and they are very very grateful to the community leaders, and the attorneys for coming up with this strategy of taking this matter directly to the judge based on the evidence that an illegal activity occurred so the judge agrees that there's probable cause to charge the people who killed their 12-year-old son. >> okay and let me get your reaction to something. the video -- this is what the
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judge in this case said. he says the video in question in this case is notorious and hard to watch, after viewing it several times, this court is still thunder struck by how quickly this event turned deadly. what's your response to that? >> absolutely. everybody who watches this video says how could you do this? the police are supposed to deescalate a situation, not escalate a situation. and we have to take it in full context of everything that's going on. right after this the police released a statement that they said three times they asked him to put his hands up and drop a weapon. well that is contradicted by that video. and so the people don't trust the system. and so that's why they took this very unusual scenario to go directly to the court with the evidence saying it's been over six months. there's video of what happened. why are you waiting so long? are you trying to sweep tamir rice's death under the rug? and that's what everybody's
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asking. >> the judge in this case benjamin he makes the point. he's not able to order these arrests. so what does this really change? >> what it changes is you have a judge in a court of law saying there is enough probable cause to charge these officers with a crime. now, whether the district attorney does it or not, it's still going to be up to the district attorney and we know from what happened in staten island and ferguson that there's never a guarantee when you have the police being charged with a crime, or being questioned in a crime. and so the judge doing this here such a powerful message to the d.a. that even a court decision demanding that there's probable cause, but some crime. >> does it make you more optimistic about the outcome here? >> it certainly makes me
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optimistic. i likefeel like we got one step closer to justice today. >> benjamin crump the lawyer for the family of tamir rice. thank you for talking to us on the phone there. just ahead, will a possible new plan for fighting isis put more american troops in danger? cnn is learning new details about a pentagon proposal for additional military bases in iraq. and then later, jeb bush is in europe. he's trying to show off his foreign policy chops. but there are lingering questions about his views on single mothers and they're threatening to overshadow his trip. aah...it's evening again. time for the perfect night time snack. ♪ beautiful on the tongue,
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get started at xfinity.com/myaccount a series of high-profile failures is forcing the pentagon to re-evaluate its fight against isis and the latest possible plan is a series of so-called lily pad bases that would be near the front lines. such a move may require additional u.s. troops to be deployed to the region. cnn chief national security correspondent has been tracking down the detail on this new development. what have you found? >> we just learned yesterday of the plan to send 450 additional advisers to the western part of iraq and anbar province, forward deployed where they've been concentrated in bagd and erbil. now we're learning that's. a model.
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that the pentagon may do the same in other outposts around the country, putting these troops not in combat, but certainly closer to combat and closer to danger. the 450 additional u.s. troops heading to train iraqi forces are just the beginning. >> good. >> today the pentagon saying the deployment of u.s. advisers in western iraq could be the model for more u.s. outposts around the country. lily pads martin dempsey called them. telling reporters, "our campaign is built on establishing these lily pads that allow us to encourage the iraqi security forces forward. we're looking all the time to see if additional sites might be necessary necessary." the military is now considering three to four possible locations, including a base in between baghdad and the isis controlled city of kirkuk. they would be closer to combat and possibly in greater numbers.
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>> when you bring forces out, that far out in front, what you're doing is getting them as far out without actually stepping on the front line. it's a very risky strategy. >> reporter: the new plan is at its core a recognition of failure by the iraqi military. in battle after battle from ramadi to the fall of mosul one year ago today, iraqi forces were often overwhelmed, even as they greatly outnumbered isis fighters. >> going to start by. >> reporter: u.s. forces will give iraqi troops logistics and crucially, confidence. the administration acknowledged the danger to u.s. troops while drawing a distinction between these new deployments and a full scale occupation of iraq. >> there's a significant difference between 150,000 troops in a combat role and 3,500 u.s. troops not in a
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combat role. >> reporter: one motivation for this plan is to get u.s. forces closer to the battle without being forward deployed on the front lines. another option that's been on the table and mentioned by general dempsey a number of times. and in fact i'm told that this has been under consideration for some months and if the event seeing those iraqi forces push back in places like ramadi that helped them get those iraqi forces fighting and challenging isis forces in greater numbers and with greater success. >> jim sciutto, thank you so much. joining me now, republican congressman ed royce. chairman royce, thanks so much for being with us. when we hear this americans i'm assuming look at this call for these lily pads, the outpost that would be closer to the front lines with isis the first thing i think a lot of folks
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think is, isn't this going to take a lot more than those 450 troops? aren't there going to be additional troops being sent over? >> well i think what many of our citizens across the country hear about is the fact that so many of our attempts to suppress isis with their power have resulted in the flights returning without actually being able to attack the targets. and one of the reasons is because without forward controllers on the ground being able to call in the targets, it's not possible. in three cases out of four for our military to hit the isis targets, to be able to really identify them. so yes, there is an understanding, i think a growing awareness that isis is taking additional territory because we can't effect i haveively use the air power to suppress it or support the iraqi forces on the ground when they're fighting isis. this is the first step in
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approaching that problem. >> do you expect that there will be more troops and certainly i know a lot of experts want to be very clear about this. they don't expect that this is going to be some giant wide scale reinvasion. at the same time they say let's be realistic this is going to take more than these few hundred troops that are in this latest request. >> it's going to take taking steps, like what i just mentioned. putting those forward spotters on the ground close enough to the combat to be able to call in the air power, and had this been done we may well have blocked the ability of isis to take ramadi. the reality is we have two flights a day over that area because we didn't have that capability. and three quarters of those flights, as i say, did not drop any ordinance on isis when isis
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was taking the area. so some adjustment is going to have to be made in order to more effectively use air power to support the iraqis. and also for any operations in syria against the isis leadership. >> what do you think prompted this change? last week here in the last week president obama, he met with the iraqi prime minister al al abadi. do you think they came to an agreement and that was what prompted this? >> i think it was the fall of ramadi. you had sunni fighters fighting isis on the ground whose own families were taken out of their homes and slaughtered. and yet they stood their ground. but their was a request, the same on the part of some of the iraqi troops. and because we weren't able to give effective cover, and because the generals the iraqi
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general gave the call to retreat prematurely. we ended up with that city falling to isis unnecessarily in the view of many in the military. now they ask themselves what steps could we take to make certain in the future that those mistakes are not made and also that we are able to give better training to the iraqi forces and maybe mitigate for the fact that many of the political leadership that have been given the responsibility of commanding these iraqi forces frankly they cashiered their old officer corps last year under malaki. now you've got a new government. but still, he's got so many political appointees in there that we need to show them how to do this and at the same time have them do the fighting, but buck them up a little bit with the assistance. >> okay. i want to ask you, because there are many in your party who support what the president is doing, and yet they say he needs
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to have a more comprehensive strategy. he needs to really outline it for the american people. some democrats who maybe they want a little more meat on the bones, too. but let me ask you about the fact that today congress rejected an amendment that would require lawmakers to debate and to vote on this new authorization for use of military force. how is it that you have republicans who are saying you know what he needs to outline it and be more clear, and yet it seems like they're abdicating their responsibilities to take part in this debate. >> the amendment was actually brought in the intention of stopping the president from having the authority. but the reality is that i would like to see it detailed out but ultimately the president has to make the decision and under current law he has the authority to do so. i would give you an example of what's causing the argument. right now, pilots can't really make the decision in realtime to hit a target. this is the secondary problem.
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that has to come to washington, d.c. and come back. sometimes it's an hour or later that they get the answer. the target is moved. their opportunity to be over that target has long since gone. so there's enormous frustration. and a feeling that there needs to be a strategy that really allows for effective use of air power. that's going to be critical here. also a strategy for arming the kurds. 30% of the kurdish battalions are female and they are fighting isis and they do not have artillery. long range mortars. nor do they have anti-tank weapons. and they've asked for them. they're not going to get them out of baghdad. we need a strategy that helps the kurds hold back isis along this long front. >> and chairman, thanks so much for joining us. really appreciate your insight. just ahead, what will president obama do if the supreme court guts his signature
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happen you'd think that it would be time to move on. >> but there's an even bigger threat which is days away from a decision that could send the law into what the administration calls a death spiral. in the face of kane v. burwell, the court could rule that they are no longer eligible for financial assistance. that means an estimated 6.4 million people could lose insurance, after seeing an average premium increase of nearly 300%. >> so this should be an easy case. frankly, it probably shouldn't have even been taken up. >> under the obamacare doomsday scenario health and human services secretary silvia burwell says there is no plan b. >> you're not going to answer the question are you? >> no the answer is the problem that gets created is subsidies
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aren't available. they aren't available for millions of americans. they lose their insurance. >> reporter: republicans in congress are in no mood to salvage the health care law. they want to scrap it. >> obamacare is just-flat busted. it just doesn't work. and no fix can change that fact. >> what's busted is not aca, it's your attacks on it. >> reporter: just as the court is nearing a decision the president is trying to spread the word that obamacare is working, sitting down with the syndicated tv show "extra." >> what we do here what the supreme court does what congress does, these are things that really matter in people's lives. >> reporter: but the white house insists this is no p.r. attempt to influence the justices. >> in all likelihood the decision in this case has already been reached and written. >> now, if obamacare loses at the supreme court, the white house is not optimistic that republicans in congress will offer up much of a solution to fix the law, but aides of the
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president say gop lawmakers should be just as worried about obamacare going down in flames. as one official put it they're up for re-election, not us. brianna? >> jim acosta at the white house. thank you. and as we head into the 2016 election there is a lot of talk about tough political attacks, and coarse language especially online. but it's worth remembering that decades ago, some pretty shocking things were said on commercial television that you would never hear now. as cnn launches an original series on the '70s, our stephanie elam looks back at a ground breaking era in tv, but a warning that you will hear some words that are considered extremely offensive by today's standards. >> television in the '70s was a shock to the system. >> our world is coming crumbling down. the coons are coming. >> reporter: after decades of shows that sanitized the american condition. in the '70s, language on primetime tv took a grittier tone. >> how would you like it if i called you --
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>> that's no worse than honky. >> it was television legend norman leer who revolutionized primetime with his brand of blunt, in your face comedy. >> it was prompted by what you were thinking about and talking about in our newspapers and in our lives. everything came from that. we didn't have to make up stories. >> they were able to walk that tight rope in the early '70s. it's a little more difficult now. >> take "modern family." >> it's important that you celebrate the culture of your ancestors. you are vietnamese. >> no i'm not. i'm gay, i'm gay. >> you are not gay, you are just confused. >> and "blackish." >> mexicans can't be jumping the line. it's bad enough they started taking black people's jobs. >> these multi-culture comedies may still tackle race and
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sexuality, but they don't dare touch the language used in tv's golden age. so what's happened a pendulum swing. >> it was sort of the floodgates of we no longer just say things behind closed doors, and the reaction to that of course was being more politically correct. >> and while the themes are still similar, the language they use so blatantly on tv in the '70s, in many cases, is now just cringe-worthy. >> why don't you arrest some white drivers? >> i do. >> you do? well where are they? look at all these -- in here. >> stephanie elam cnn, hollywood. and be sure to watch the original series "the '70s." it debuts tonight at 9:00 eastern only on cnn. just ahead, we're going to have the latest on the manhunt for two escaped killers. clues leading to hope that authorities may be closing in.
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by politics. >> it's a huge challenge for single moms today. >> reporter: in his 1995 book bush argued for the restoration of shame in society, saying the reason young women are giving birth out of wedlock and more young men are walking away from their obligation is that there is no longer a stigma attached to the behavior no reason to feel shame. now, 20 years later, no regrets. >> my views have evolved over time. my views about the importance of dads being involved in the lives of children hasn't changed at all. it limits the possibilities of young people being able to live lives of purpose and meaning. >> reporter: he sounds like the current democratic president who grew up without a father largely. >> too many fathers are mia.
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too many fathers are acting like boys instead of men. the foundations of our family have suffered because of it. >> reporter: when it comes to culture wars the battlefield has changed since 1992 when dan quayle was ridiculed for going after murphy brown for having a baby out of wedlock. >> the character who epitomize today's highly paid professional woman, mocking the importance of fathers. >> reporter: juneeb bush is facing questions about a 2001 scarlet letter law when he was governor requiring single mothers to put a notice in the newspaper before they could give up a child for adoption. a court ruled it unconstitutional. he insisted it was about bringing fathers into the picture. >> it was to enhance the ability to collect child support because men have the responsibility of taking care of their children.
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>> reporter: now, democrats are pouncing on jeb bush's comments saying it is proof he is out of touch. for bush who is not entirely comfortable with conservatives or maybe vice versa, it's not a bad thing for them to see that he is talking about and still very much an advocate of traditional marriage. >> dana bash on to estonia next we will talk to you from there. thanks for your report. i want to discuss this with jeff and ryan the washington correspondence for the new yorker. he is a cnn political analyst. did jeb bush clean this up? is this going to continue to be a problem for him? >> i think it's a function of how long he has been in politics and how long he has been a republican politician. when he was writing that book in the mid '90s he was coming off his gubernatorial campaign which he lost. he came back in 1998 as a
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slightly more moderate republican. frankly, a lot of what he was saying in the book was textbook republican conservative policy at the time. it has not aged well. i think it's a little like hillary clinton on same-sex marriage or criminal justice reform where she evolved. >> she has. we see in dana's story there that she likened his cleanup to what we have heard from president obama. if you talk to african-american thought leaders, they don't love even president obama's press sajmessage on this. >> the message is the same how jeb bush wrote about it 20 years ago is different from what obama said. the message is the same, that families need fathers. he has been criticized for that. you can analyze anyone's view from a different time. we have evolved on things no question about it. in the shorter period of time than 20 years. i think the jeb bush campaign has more more things to worry about than this. this is not going to hurt him in
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a republican primary at all. >> let's talk about what may be a snub here. bill de blasio he says he is a bernie sanders fan. keeping in mind he was hillary clinton's campaign manager when she ran for the senate. he says he is not -- he is not going to be at hillary's campaign kickoff speech which is on saturday. is that like a serious snub? is this a little personal issue between them? >> i think he is trying to call her out and hoping she will embrace his agenda for income and equality. he is not ready to sign on with her yet. i'm not sure it's that big of a dis. dis. >> you agree? >> a few candidates are trying to influence hillary. >> you see a lot of folks on the left -- >> i'm told other senators aren't going to be there. this is hillary's day. >> very interesting.
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