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from around the state and the country. first, randi kaye in the search zone where police dogs notice something in the air. >> reporter: another strong lead. this time in the village of katieville, a few miles from the prison where richard matt and david sweat escaped from. authorities now confident that tracking dogs picked up the scent of the two fugitives and an imprint from a shoe or boot may belong to the men. you can definitely feel the increased police presence today with more and more check points like this one here where law enforcement is checking cars looking into back seats, and the trunks and also cars are being detoured off the main highway to smaller road like this one. new york state police have shut down a large part of route 374, the main thoroughfare into dannemora where clinton correctional facility is located. and there is someone with a gun on nearly every corner. this all began late wednesday when residents leafed oughtreceived

automated phone calls from homeland security in the middle of the night, warning them to turn on outside lights and lock their doors. this latest search also turned up what appeared to be bedding made from grass or leaves. and food wrappers indicating the escapees may be sitting tight. this is just one of the many areas they're searching. there has been a steady flow of police activity here with law enforcement going in and out of this neighborhood. also low-flying helicopters up above. but still no sign of the two men. as a precaution nearby cerenak central school district was closed for the day as the manhunt continued. have you seen any state police around here? >> oh the state police have been by here without exaggeration probably 50 times in the last three or four days. >> reporter: have they asked you any questions? >> if i have seen anything. heard anything. the answer has been no. >> reporter: if the fugitives are in the area they're up against pretty tough terrain.

even the search team are having to use four wheelers to cut through it. there is so much thick brush it can be hard to see. swampy areas are everywhere around here. residents say there is even quicksand, all of that plus black flies, and coyotes. >> i'm sure it's bad if they're out there. they're probably getting eaten alive. >> reporter: the longer this drags on the more residents are on edge and nobody here is taking any chances. this woman checks her attic and basement every night before bed. to make sure she is safe. >> reporter: what do you think the likelihood is that these guys are still in the area? >> um i think it's pretty good. because i know if i was running i'd be looking over my shoulder. >> imagine that having to check your basement and attic every night. randi kaye live from outside the prison. katieville the town you were in previously the scent was picked up how far is that from the prison? >> reporter: we are in dannemora in front of the prison here.

a town cerenak then katieville. about three or four miles from here andersen. >> why do authorities think they're still in the area based on what the dogs picked up? >> there is a few reasons why. heavy rains. raining really steadily since we got here. been here all week. the rain is especially heavy at night. they think maybe they're just sitting tight and haven't moved on because of that. we also know their getaway car, joyce mitchell who allegedly supposed to pick them up didn't pick them up. they may still be on foot. a lot of freight trains come through the area. they're still not believing they got on one of freight trains. and the other reason of course just what they found. they found a lot of the, what they found, the bedding that they think, some of the other things in the area just the fact that there is there is a, a path they believe, that they might have taken in some of the backyards here. they're looking at all of that as a factor. >> randi kay spechlt appreciatee. more on the aspect of the joyce

mitchell story, her possible relationship with one of the two killers. abc news and "the wall street journal" reporting it was david sweat. though officials did not find enough to discipline her it was enough for them to pull sweat out of the taylor shop where mitchell was working. deborah, what have you been hearing about this? >> anderson what we are learning is somebody complained about a questionable relationship between joyce mitchell, known as tillie and one of the inmates we believe may have been david sweat. though there have been insinuations it was with the other man also working in the tailor shop. unclear as to what the questionable relationship was about. correctional officers we do know did investigate. when the two escaped, investigators were very quickly able to turn their attention onto this woman, simply because of her earlier connection to the two individuals. >> that's why they were able to check her cell phone notice it had been used to contact some associates? >> that's exactly right. multipleto --

to associates of richard matt. either she made the calls on their behalf or alternatively the two inmates took the phone and made the calls themselves. that is a big indication as to who were they talking to outside of the prison walls? who did they expect possibly to help them when they did ultimate low escape? >> we don't know for sure. it is -- it's -- "the wall street journal" and abc, has been reporting that the relationship may have been with this guy sweat. >> david sweat. >> david sweat. >> correct. one thing you have to keep in mind. by all accounts the two men were together constantly. they shared cells, they were right next door to each other. they were able to get a job in the tailor shop. repairing inmate clothing. so the fact that they were together so much and they were so intricately involved in this plot to escape together, it is possible that when the relationship the questionable relationship was discovered with one of the inmates then the other one sort of stechd in tou stepped

in to take the place. all about cunning, conning,a and looking at a woman susceptible to this and taking advantage of it. she told investigators she was made to feel special. but other than that, the family is denying an inappropriate relationship between her and the inmates. but, what she is telling investigators, it seems to be contrary to that. >> fascinating. thank you very much for that. as district attorney of clinton county where the prison is located. andrew wily is heading up the criminal investigation in connection with the escape. he joins us now. thank you for being with us. what can you tell us about the search? as it stands right now? have you gotten any new clues as to where the guys might be? how confident are you about, that that this seems to be on the right trail? >> thank you for having me. i just had a quick briefing with some of the lead investigators in the case. and the search is continuing tonight. we'll continue that as long as -- the dogs have a scent. and they're working that that

perimeter in -- in dannemora toward everyone. and if this is an actual true lead that the dogs are following on we hope to be successful within the next 24 hours. >> as far as you know are the dogs still on the scent? >> they are. >> i want to ask you about joyce -- sorry, go ahead. >> just the information that i was provided with within the last half-hour the dogs are still on the scent. they're working it very hard. >> okay. i want to ask you about joyce mitch mell mitchell. is she still providing investigators new information? >> she is. we have been speaking with her since sunday. and she continues to come into the station and meet with our investigator and provide very viable information that assisted with the investigation so far. >> you said since sunday. over the course of the week do you have a sense of how many

times she has met with authorities? >> she has been all most every day into the station. >> and in terms of what kind of charges she may face what could she be looking at here? >> well we're looking certainly at accessory to the escape. there is promoting prison contraband charges. these are all e and d felony level offenses in new york state. >> the prison contraband charges what would that be based on? >> based on the information we have of potential items that she may have brought into the facility to give to the two inmates. >> can you go further on that? is that related to the -- the allegations that there was a cell phone that was used? >> that is one of the allegations. and we still need to support these allegations. until we can get that information to fully support those, those. we will make a determination if

we charge her with the offenses or not? >> do you feel she is being honest with you? when she meets with you? is there an attorney with you or is she fully cooperating? >> she is fully cooperating. she does not, has not exercised her right to reap questquest an attorney. she voluntarily seeks us out, comes in, and each day has been providing more additional information that assisted the investigators. >> her family said that she had gone to a hospital with some sort of attack of nerves or someone else called it a panic attack. is she at home now? is she, being treated for anything? >> i don't know medically what she is being treatinged fored for at this time. >> there may have been a prior investigation into allegation that david sweat had a relationship with joyce mitchell what "the wall street journal" and abc is reporting. can you confirm that? >> the information that we have is there was an investigation.

that it was unfounded. there wasn't enough evidence to support a finding, within the department, and as of this week this is the first type that my office has learned information about that investigation. so we were not contacted originally relative to it. >> you said it was unfounded but also wasn't enough evidence. those two things can be contradictory. is it that there wasn't enough evidence so no evidence of relationship was actually found? or did you, was it determined by investigator that there absolutely was not a relationship? >> i don't believe that the information was that there was absolutely no relationship. as a result of it, one of the inmates david sweat was removed from the tailor shop. based on my understanding. and so -- i think disciplinary action was taken. but probably not to the extent where ms. mitchell could be potentially removed from the

facility. >> can you describe what her demeanor is? how she is handling all of this? is she freaked out by it? does she seem just -- conversational? >> i'm not present during the interviews of her. i am dealing with things here locally on our end. so i haven't met with ms. mitchell. i have talked with the investigators briefly who are conducting the interviews. but i don't have that information for you. >> fair enough. andrew wily appreciate your time. thank you very much. john wallch ofsh of cnn's "the hunt" few people have his knowledge or experience. just how good are law enforcement professionals who work on all fours. gary tuchman shows us what tracker dogs can do.

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welcome back. moments ago you may have heard the district attorney of clinton county on this program say dogs are on the scent of david sweat and richard matt and confirms joyce mitchell was the subject of a prior investigation into an alleged relationship with one of the two. he also confirms it was david sweat. ms. mitchell has already been tied to matt and is being questioned in connection with her reported role as the would-be getaway driver. john walsh from "the hunt" joins

us to talk. and our panel on that news and developments lenny defall former commander of u.s. marshal service, for new york and new jersey robert fernandez, currently runs similar task force covering the washington, d.c. area and maryellen o'toole, former fbi profiler. so rob, investigators are zeroing in and set up a perimeter. you caution fugitives can still slip through? >> absolutely. it is very similar to the eric frahm manhunt last october. i was out in the woods two weeks looking for him. thought we saw him. tight perimeter on a much smaller area. it is very easy for these guys to slip through. >> is that just because of the dense underbrush? for someone who hasn't spent time in that kind of region, environment, if you actually have seen somebody how can they

still slip through? >> because you can't, you have men posted at certain distances, but it's -- it just because of the landscape, because of the foliage, we were set up in one place where there was a bear that came behind us 20 feet. we didn't see it. one guy in a deer stand was about to shoot at it. it is very difficult in that area. an that's why i want to remind everyone that that -- they could have been in that area. they may, i hope they still are in the area the noose closes in on them. but they very easily could have slipped away. so we have to stay vigilant across the country. >> rob something like we hear about thermal imaging technology. how foolproof is that in an environment like this? >> it is fantastic technology. however it is going to display on any living creature that shows heat in the eric frame case showing up on deer bear,

dogs, and we were responding to those. it's difficult to tell from a distance. so it's very helpful but again it it -- it is difficult to say this is these guys are, in here right now. >> lenny, investigators reportedly treating the one area like a crime scene. looking for any forensic evidence. what kind of things would they be doing? >> well with respect to -- to the blood hounds and the hit on this apparently the hit on the fresh scent, picked up some fresh tracks and stumbled on to an area where the guys supposedly bedded down supposedly. hopefully that all comes true and they're closing in on the two guys. you know there are, there were some things found in the area some wrappers from food or whatever. that's consistent with what's been in the jail. so all of that a home run for law enforcement. as rob said though. they certainly could have slipped through the cracks. you set up a perimeter. try off to tighten it up. things happen. weather. they're up against it variety of things. the terrain is pretty rough.

foliage as rob spoke of. so they're up against it. but, keep our fingers crossed. >> the advantage here i assume investigators have is i think if memory serves me in the eric fraim case and eric rudolph case survival spent a lot of time in the wood. that's not the case with these two guys. >> i don't believe the skill sets are anywhere where they need to be if in fact these two guys in the woods. which is a huge advantage. we're on day six, i believe, they don't have provisions. i've wouldn't i wouldn't think. not enough. probably delirious, turned around. the weather has been raining. so yeah. hopefully they screw up somehow and we get on to them quicker than we would like. >> maryellen, we know joyce mitchell had some sort of relationship with with david

sweat. unclear exactly. she told investigators that richard matt made her feel "special." sweat had been removed from the tailor shop. didn't find evidence of what the relationship may have been. you said psychopaths can make rational people do irrational things. such a fascinating idea. can you talk more about that? >> sure. their ability to manipulate and con and persuade someone to -- to trust them. to engage with them. to convince them that hey i'm safe. i'm not a threat. i am a changed man. at the same time pay a lot of compliments to some one to say, you know you are very special. if i met some one look you 20 years ago, maybe i would never be in this situation. it's a grooming process. but the first, the first thing is to pick someone that that they know is vulnerable. that will -- for whom this will all be very appealing. once they identify the target. then they can start using their,

their charms. and kind of groom them over a period of time and get them the key is they get them to compromise themselves legally, sexually and in other ways so by the time the grooming process is done this person has committed themselves off to this individual and they look back and they think, i just can't, that's not who i am. >> so fascinating to me maryellen, a psychopath who doesn't have the kind of feelings that everybody else has to actually be able to perceive the feelings of others and manipulate the feelings is fast night. appreciate you being on mary ellen. lenny depaul. robert fernandez. ahead i'll talk to john walsh, what he believes it takes to catch fugitives. sweat and matt. and plus the dogs crucial to the search. how sensitive are their noses? what factors, help or hinder their ability to track down guys like this? you just heard from the district attorney in the region as he said last heard that the dogs

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again our breaking news -- new insight into why

investigators focused on prison worker joyce mitchell so early on, so quickly. why they were able to examine her cell phone. the prior complaint about her behavior with david sweat. that was the reason. now we should underscore she is yet to be charged with helping either killers. possibly shoo won't bee won't be charged if she continues to cooperate. now more on the help they're getting from the raw geography of where this is happening. joining us some one who knows what it takes to catch a fugitive john walsh, from cnn's "the hunt." >> john the hunt explain what it is? >> they're in an area that is so big, so large, so vast they're close to the canadian border. they could walk across the border. people don't understand you can walk across borders into countries. and, i personally think that with so many cabins up in there, especially in vermont, summer homes that these guys if they're still together could be holed up.

they haven't done anything stupid. they haven't raped anybody. most lifers will go on a crime spree say i'm going to get caught they're going to take me back. these two guys obviously don't want to get caught. >> in your experience do people usually stay together as long as they can? or do they try to separate? >> well the not so smart guys usually separate. they go their own way. and then it creates a whole bunch of chaos. i remember when "america's most wanted," caught the texas seven. planned the escape for over a year. these guys planned for a long time. everybody thought they were going to go south from texas into mexico. i thought they were going to go north. they did. they went up got all the way to colorado. and they were hiding in a trailer park posing as a christian bible group. a traveling singing group. it was a wonderful fan who made the call and said these guys are in a trailer. so these two guys are smart. and matt is the older guy, the,

the sociopath, psycho in this group, has been in the criminal justice system a long type. he killed someone in mexico. he has done lots of crimes. he he knows that if they keep a low profile, the two of them together could probably wait it out. they're probably thinking you know what. we will stay low. in two weeks, ten days we will make our run to the border. or until they can get ahold of somebody to pick them up. awe has increased use of technology made it harder or easier for fugitives to disappear. you can buy prepaid phones. anonymously on the internet. same time their records, things are digitals. sales receipts phone logs computerized and more searchable. >> internet and digital world has actually made it easier for police. easier for them to communicate. easier to ping cell phones. whether they're burner phones or whether they're phones that they stole from somebody. hope they're dumb enough to steal a phone from somebody.

they will be able to ping the phone and catch them. but the technology is more on law enforcement's side. makes the search easier. i've been on your show a million times and say if you are helping the guys you know if you get caught you are going to spend five years in jail. you will be an accessory. a $100,000 reward. maybe they're dealing with other dirt bags or people they've been in prison with. the money is an incentive. they could call 1-866-the-hunt. turn the guys in. still get the reward. and remain anonymous. so the public is going to barackreak the case wide open i really believe so. >> how much of an appeal is trying to cross into canada being a fugitive. does it make a big difference? canadian authorities have a lot of contact with u.s. authorities. a lot of cooperation. does it pay for a fugitive to try to cross over into canada? >> it actually does pace to cross over into canada. i caught 25 guys in canada on the 25 years i did america's

most wanted law enforcement is stretched thin in canada. there are great places to run to. i caught a guy on thunder bay, a town up near the arctic circle. so it might be to their advantage to get into canada. because there is less law in all honesty if they stay out there a couple weeks the search will be called off. using a lot of money and resources. and if they're looky enough ylucky enough to stay out a few week stay in canada for years. >> more important, people out there, civilian who may have seen something, even if they're not sure they saw something, all the more important that they call in to try to at least let law enforcement know what they have seen? >> it is so important. andersen. so important. i remember we caught a prison escapee that was out there for three week. he made the mistake of turning a right on in a summer home in a camp. neighbors that were getting their camp ready for summer vacation spotted that light go on and made that call. i say to people no matter

inconsequential what you see, you think it is inconsequential. could be the guys making a mistake. make the call. make the call. have the courage to do it. >> john walsh. great to have you on. thank you. >> thank you, andersen. >> make that call. size of the area notwithstanding though the search continues to be sharply focused. we have said on a much smaller piece of real estate, the spot where police dogs picked up the fugitives' scent. the da told me the dogs are working the scent trail. does the fact that the dogs were able to detect anything at all say anything abut when the two men were at that site? put it another way -- how fresh does a trail have to be for dogs like these to pick it up. we wanted to know. gary tuchman has been digging deeper. >> reporter: this is dekalb county georgia police officer, lynn asherman, and andor, and her dog and frank cuzimano and jengo. both are belgian dogs like

bloodhound they catch fugitives with their sense of smell. >> their sense of smell is extraordinary, 1,000, 10,000 times beltertter than humans. >> like bloodhound they use their teeth to apprehend. we'll test andor using my scent. when dogs train, they use toys like this. the reward when they find it in lieu of a real person. i will go into the woods right now and hide it. we need an origin point where the dogs' officer will tell the dog i was last seen. therefore, the dog's last sniff should come from. right from the tree. i will start from. the dog will start there. and then it will go to my hiding point. which will be let's say -- right by this log. hiding the, hiding it right there. >> and then officer eschelman goes into the woods with andor. when it is wet or when time

elapsed, it's not as easy for these amazing animals. but is dry and i was just in the wood. if it were a real criminal. >> the felon will be pouring out fear scent and much more skin and fear scent coming out. be able to narrow it to one guy. >> andor is having an easy time with it. >> you got it. good boy, good boy you got it. >> reporter: next. sergeant thomas davoy putting on so-called bite sleeves. about to become the bad guy for this drill. >> stop or i'll send my dog. >> stay still. slowly come to my voice. slowly walk towards me. >> we want to if need be stop the dog if the guy gives up. we want to be able to stop the dogs. >> reporter: the dog stops as commanded. if the felon is threatening. >> slowly come to my voice. slowly walk towards me. keep your hand where i can see

them. >> that's a good boy. >> let me see your hand. good boy. >> let me see your hands! >> the dog is going to pro tkt metkt -- protect me and a handler, soapprehended him. >> the dogs work with their handlers. >> he will be your pet forever? >> yep. >> i couldn't let go of the dog now. he will be fine forever for sure. >> gary mentioned how the rain could affect the searches? how big a problem is that? >> the rain is a serious issue with the dogs. not as serious if the fugitive as just escaped and the track and scents are fresh. as the days go by it certainly becomes problem attic. also problematic, anderson it

is very windy. the wind blows the scents and could throw the dogs off. people ask about the dogs. how friendly they are. the sergeant. this is jengo. they're friendly dogs. not look you come up to a police dog and hug it. you ask permission to pet the dog. and then jengo as friendly as can be. has a toy in his mouth. very friendly dogs. a public service announcement. do not come up to a police dog and wrap your arms around him or her. that wouldn't necessarily be smart. >> sounded like the officer wasn't speaking to the dog, was it german? >> it is german. >> anderson asked, you weren't speaking english? it is german. one of the word one is go and another is jengo lay down. >> cool gary. appreciate it. thank you very much. thank the officer for us and his dog. coming up, more breaking news. a judge find probable cause to charge the officers involved in the fatal shooting of

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more breaking news tonight. a cleveland judge ruled there is probable cause to charge two cleveland police officers in the death of 12-year-old tamir rice. you may remember last november a witness called 911 report aid guy with a pistol in a park and added the gun was probably fake. well it turned out it was fake. a pellet gun. the two officers responded didn't know that. within second of arriving one of

them opened fire and shot tamir rice who died a day later. today's decisions a day after activists tired of waiting brought their case to a judge. the question is where the case goes now? the answer may surprise you. martin savage joins us from cleveland. in this ruling what did the judge exactly say? >> keep in mind this is a municipal judge, the cuyahoga county prosecutor looking into the case. the judge after the activists came he said yeah he thought there was probable cause in his opinion that a murder charge should be brought against timothy lohman the officer that fired the fatal shot and other charges against the partner with him at the time. it is a nonbinding ruling. no compelling reason the authorities have to arrest the officers which is actually what activists wanted to see. they wanted to get arrest warrants out for the officers. the judge says look there is cause for these charges.

but he would not issue an arrest warrant. he said he didn't have that power. it's back in the hands of the county prosecutor. >> and you talked to the prosecutor's office about this. does it change anything the prosecutor? in their mind no. the county prosecutor in the case says this does not change anything. he has always said any police shooting case in which there is a fatality he will take it to a grand jury. he said that when he was elected. he continue to say that now. that's what he is doing. he says this case will go to a grand jury and only a grand jury will decide if these officers are charged or not. >> and when the ministers and attorney for the rice family want few this judge, came up with the kind of unique idea the police union, they put out a blistering statement. they were critical. very angry about this. >> they have. for a number of reasons. of course they took the side of the officers. they say this is a just fivable shoot. the officers were told man with a gun. when they got there what did they find a person with a gun. they did not know it was a

child. and they did not know it was not a real gun. however, they also say, look, the only reason that these people went to a judge, they say swore an oath that they had evidence this was a murder. yet none of those people who made those affidavits were ever really there. how could they swear they had the evidence? that's why the union is very angry. >> martin savidge. >> an update on the wealthy couple their son housekeeper. a bloody baseball bat was found in the house. also there are disturbing new details about the horrors that the victims endured. justice correspondent pamela brown reports. >> reporter: cnn has learned savvas savopoulos was strangled, beaten and burned in his washington, d.c. mansion according to a law enforcement force. >> strangling stabbing, this is

very intimate very one-on-one very close in. and it tells, tells me that there is great rage and anger and hostility. >> reporter: police say amy savopoulos her 10 year old son phillip and vera fi guchlt eroa were tortured and murdered. documents reveal investigators discovered a bloody baseball bat in the upstairs bedroom where the couples and housekeepers bloodied bodies were found. >> the bat, doesn't mean his saliva they not be on the bat. there might be dna. we don't know if the perpetrator used gloves with the bat yet. there might indeed be fingerprints fingerprints. >> reporter: a search warrant shows investigators found tape matches, weapons, and half eaten pizza with dna matching wint and hair fibers forensic experts say could tell police if more than one killer was involved. >> the average person loses 100, 125 scalp hairs every day. and if you are at a location

the likelihood is high you have lost some hair. that would establish a direct linkage between a suspect or an individual and the crime scene. >> reporter: investigators also found multiple shoeprints including this print left on a set of french doors on the side of the house leading police to believe there was forced entry. darron wint remains the lone suspect in the case. police continue to belief he did not act alone. pamela if darron wint didn't act alone as police have said all along do we know anything about who may have been involved? >> andersen from a law enforcement official police continue to look at two women who purchased money orders with the money believed from the $40,000 dropped off at the savopoulos home while victims were being held hostage. the women in the car with darron wint when arrested. a separate official tells me perplexed why savopoulos assisted jordan wallace, dropped

off the $40,000 at the home changed his story multiple times. i'm told at this point investigators don't believe he was complicit in the crime. still an ongoing investigation. we have learn, anderson a grand jury convened in the case. some of wint's family members subpoenaed. d.c. police have been tight-lipped. told several search warrants are under seal. probably a lot we don't know now. anderson. >> pam brown, thank you. >> ahead in an exclusive interview with cnn's jake tapper tapper. mmm...amazing. i have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. while others go in circles... and repeat themselves... we choose to carve our own path, in the pursuit of exhilaration. the 306 horsepower lexus gs. experience the next level of performance

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>> state of the union with jake tapper premieres sunday on cnn and indepth interviews with political news makers. first guest is president bill clinton. covers a lot of ground and donations made to the clinton foundation when hillary clinton was secretary of state. i want to address a couple issues having to do with the clinton foundation in the news a lot lately. i know you have said heard you say, that there is no evidence that any of the donor whose have given to the foundation received anything in response from the state department while secretary clinton was there. >> nobody even suggested or it

or talked about it or thought about it until the political season began. somebody well what about this? now some of the companies that have supported the foundation for years many of them before she was ever secretary of state, she was a senator when i left office so they do this they do philanthropy too. no one has ever asked me for anything or any of that. >> well let me ask you about that. because i think a lot of people might say, okay you say there is no evidence that anything was done for them. can you really say that these companies, these wealthy individuals, these governments, none of them sought anything? i mean some of them did have business before the state department? >> i don't know. you never know what people's motives are. in this case i'm pretty sure that everybody gave to haiti in the aftermath of the earthquake saw what they saw on television were horrified. >> you say you don't know if

anybody saw any favor. just there was no. haw haw i >> no i don't think him ear would know either. she was pretty busy those years. and i don't, i never saw her study a list of my contributors or and i had no idea who was doing business before the state department what i will say this -- she believed that part of the job of the secretary of state was to advance america's economic interests around the world. if she hadn't been doing this economic diplomacy work nobody would have been doing it. but i never thought about, of any overlap. >> jake the former president very clearly brushing aside any allegations concerning the family foundation? >> yeah, i don't know if brushing aside was the right word. he was really eager to talk about it. when i broached the subject he kind of looked down. he wasn't excited about talking about it. but then he would bring up instances, whether it was

questions about the donation given by algeria, or whether it was questions about donations given by boeing or questions about, donation that the clinton foundation gave to "the new york times" neediest cases fund in '07-'08, in which some people have question whether that influenced the board. i was trying to keep my questions general about quid pro quo. he went right for the ones that he thought would prove his point there was nothing fnefarious going on. >> how did bill clinton seem to you? energetic? did he seem interested in the campaign ready for a fight? how did he seem? >> he seemed in fighting shape. boy was he ready to talk politics. before the interview and after the interview. regrettably when the microphone was not on him. he was talking all about politics. he loves it. he loves talking about it.

it is going to be fuf fortough for the clinton kachlcampaign to keep him from talking politics. and andersen i asked him one question this will air sunday on "state of the union. "i asked him, before we go size up the republican field, if you would, tell us what you think? he talked for ten minutes. ten minutes. >> i look forward to seeing that sunday. congratulations on the new show. great addition to cnn. jake tapper. >> talked a lot more jake said. don't miss "state of the union" jake tapper sunday 9:00 a.m. and noon as well. moments ago, late development in the new york manhunt. something we just uncovered. we'll check back with randi kaye next. felt like one i already knew. i just wanted to thank you for sharing your world with me. it felt like home. airbnb. belong anywhere.

a quick update on the manhunt before we go. rand randi kaye has new information. have you learned?

>> anderson. i spoke to the district attorney, drun wilye andrew wily and information on the tracking dog and how they picked up the scent. it happened at maple fields gas station and subway shop one mile down the road from the prison. just .9 miles away. he didn't say when they picked up the scent. he did say that's how they ended up in cadyville, a few miles away. he said the dogs have continued to follow the scent all the way to cadyville. couple of things to point out here. i asked about security cameras. he said there are security cameras. they're limited and reviewing the tape in the cameras. i also asked him what they were doing there possibly looking for food snacks? he said they were probably going through the trash. probably hungry. that's what they were doing there. he also said that that it is would have been open at that time because the store hours open at 4:00 a.m. saturday morning, midnight friday night. the guys were last seen in their cell 10:30 p.m. friday night. would make sense if they might have disappeared about 5:30 in the morning when the bed checks

were that that subway and that gas station would have been open anderson. that's how this path to cadyville began. >> fascinating development. last we heard from andrew wily the dogs are still on the scent. randi, thank you. stay with cnn for any late developments. right now the premiere of the cnn original series "the seventies." tonight television take is a look at itself. >> what's on the idiot box? >> it's only an idiot box if an idiot is watching. >> i will tell you about the golden age of television. >> our obligation is to entertain. if we left something to think about, so much the better. >> television should not be just entertainment. >> charges were leveled at the commercial television network. >> congress has no right to interfere in the media. >> excuse me! >> you have a responsib