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russian jets are buzzing u.s. warships coming as close as ten feet to u.s. aircraft. why is president putin upping the ante? legacy killer. president obama pleads with democrats to back his agenda but he's rejected by his own party. the biggest free trade deal in history looks like it could be no deal. an naacp leader is accused of facing her life history and identity. webb ben bernanke is off. i'm brianna keilar, you're in "the situation room." this is cnn breaking news. we have breaking news. the woman who allegedly helped two convicted killers escape from a new york state prison by provides hacksaw blades and drill bits is about to be arraigned. in a stunning new twist, she's now said to have a relationship with both convicts and it is
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said her husband is being investigated. there's been a possible sighting dogs have picked up scents and other clues are turning up. analysts and guests are standing by with full coverage and we begin with cnn's brian todd. an extraordinary turn of event here. >> reporter: that's right, brianna, tonight a clearer picture emerges. in the escape of these two killers. joyce mitchell had a relationship with both the escaped killers, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation. she provided hacksaw blades to richard matt and david sweat as well as eyeglasses with lights on them drying bits purchases that occurred in just the last few months. that from two law enforcement sources. a former prison source tells you that she probably would have had to go through metal detectors, but likely would not have been
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searched. how does she get them through? >> a lunch a purse, equipment she may bring in to work in the tailor shop. >> and tonight the district attorney says mitchell's husband lyle worked in the maintenance department at the same prison tailors shop where joyce mitchell work with the two inmates. >> we have information that's coming through, through interviews on our investigation that he possibly could have been involved or at least had knowledge of what was happening. >> joyce mitchell had previously been the subject of a complaint inside the splinten correctional facility for a relationship with one of the two escaped inmates, but it's not clear which inmate she favorite. mitchell toss police that richard matt had made her fee special. he son and daughter-in-law die nigh she was involved and say she wouldn't have had an aferret.
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her former brother-in-law cheated on her former husband and sought out danger. >> she likes the wild side of people, i guess, always looking for the once that are -- >> daniel lieberman, who has worked with violent inmates say they are master of manipulation. >> they probably got her to talk about herself. and they found her weaknesses. these are dangerous, violent human beings that everybody fears. when they come up to somebody and they smiled at them and they say you are our friend that can be very sell duckettive. >> dr. lieberman says as a civilian employee she may not have had the same training as officers get. still she could be facing charges such as providing contraband and accessory to escape. >> her cooperation has really been essential here.
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how forth coming has she been? >> as of this morning, the threat of prosecution had not stopped her from being what the d.a. said was, quote, extremely cooperative. the d.a. said as of this morning she had not retained an attorney and voluntary had been seeking them out every morning, coming in and providing very critical information. of course that could be changing now that she's being arraigned. we'll see if he gets an attorney and what happens from here. the pressure could be changing for her a bit. >> brian todd thanks so much. after possible sightings and new clues, hundreds of personnel have narrowed their search perimeter. miguel marquez is near the search. miguel, give us the latest. >> reporter: the heavens have just opened up so it's not going to be easy for the searchers or for anyone trying to escape them raining extraordinarily hard right now. some 800 searchers on the job here. we've had reports throughout the day just west of where we are. in wets plattsburgh, very
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intense searching helicopters, atvs, personnel on the ground, every sort of tool that law enforcement can bring to bear. this is not too far from the place they believe they had bedded down a few nights ago. authorities also looking through surveillance video of a gas station nearby where the two escapees may have been dumpster diving looking for food where a subway sandwich shop was, so all these clues leading authorities to believe they're in the right place. i can tell you people across this entire area hope this is the end, that it comes to an end one way or another. brianna? >> they're under a shutdown there. miguel marquez, thank you very much. the escape of these two killers, this massive man hunt is turning life up for residents. bernie basset is the supervisor of the town of platts'burgh.
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they have more than 7 his leads, and you have joyce mitchell, said to be arraigned on unknown charges. do you know what might be announced on this press conference that we're waiting for? >> no. i can't say that i do but you're right, an awful lot of activity today, and we're certainly hoping it comes to an en. >> bernie there's a lot of activity but we've been hearing from our reporters on the ground police officers who are talking to officials. there seems to be a level of confidence that they're really zeroing in on these killers. why is that? >> well the reports we've been getting, and probably similar to what you are hearing as well from the people on the ground the people in the homes who have been watching law enforcement in their yards, seeing the shifting the changing of numbers, concentrating on a
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certain area certainly would be logical for us to assume they are closing in especially of that report this morning of a sighting. but again, it's been a long seven days and we really need to wait to hear from the troops. >> is this search potentially expands, have you considered or are you considering ordering a lockdown for your city? >> we have haven't done that no. from the beginning we have taken a look at what our responsibilities are, making sure buildings are secure making sure our maintenance people the early ones out in the morning, they're not doing things alone now, stay in touch. our working commute is very concerned about their familiar. as you're well aware, the school closings is certainly everyone worm are workinging to. law enforcement is doing a great job.
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>> law invitement is going dao are to door. you have a lot of whether it's vacation homes that people may not be living in or even shedding behind their homes. as you have more law invitement going door to door, do they ever complete that work? or is it something they -- and maybe even a new shelter? >> well my understanding, it is repeated as the reports come in and there's a sense that they're moving about in that area but it's a large area and, you know there are a lot of homes to cover. when you look at the maps it looks like a lot of woods in there, but in there we've got long driveways, people who have build their homes, they wanted it private, so it may be in the middle of five acres. it just takes a great of time. we're learning now that joyce mitchell this employees at the prison had some sort of relationship we don't know
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exactly what with both of these inmates, and that she provided them material help. hacksaws things they could use to escape. knowing that how upsetting to know there are members of your community -- her husband is also implicated at this point. how upsetting is it to know that members of your community may have been involved in this? >> you know as there have been a lot of interviews with psychologists, criminologists et cetera the passengers seems to be following patterns that have happened before. obviously there's a need to go back look at procedures find out where decisions were made that weren't good ones might be part of the screening process, the ongoing training to make sure the community is not exposed to this kind of event again. >> to citizens there are, what are they telling you? do they feel safe? do you think they're safe? >> well you know that's a tough one also. it's yes to both.
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certainly seeing the enormous presence of law enforcement does bring a degree of comfort that on top of this and they're protecting us but i don't think there's anybody, myself included when i hear the helicopters going over my house, which is -- where we believe the escapees are. when you hear the helicopters, see the troops and see armed guards on your lawn there's a reason to be very concerned about your safety and security. it's a mixed blessing but right now we're all waiting, watching we're going to be optimistic that this comes to an end and we need to get our lives back to normal. this is not norm ate the way all of us live our lives. >> no certainly not. it's a beautiful place, a place that's certainly a very still place as well, and very disrupted by this. bernie basset thank you so much for joining us. we have a whole lot more on
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joining me to bulk about it we have former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. we have matthew fogg a retired chief deputy u.s. marshal and former atf special agent in charge matt horace. thanks for being here to talk with us about it. this is sore of interesting. authorities believe these guys are still together the two of them have not gone off in separate directions. is there a reason reason to believe that? >> the bottom line is because they don't have any other information that they're separated, and then of course with the bloodhounds that picks up on scents and so forth. the last thing they have is they were together when they escaped. >> that's the last thing they have make it just makes sense to them and certainly they hope to find them together i would think they hope that. >> tom, we got a close look at just how many buildings there are in this area.
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you're talking about vacated vacation homes. there are even ones we sort of zoom in and look there might be shedding in the backyards of some of these homes that certainly overnight they guys could hide in. officers are going door to door but what's that process like? even though there's so many officers 800 officials searching, can they really cover all of this? >> no the problem is once they've gone to a residence, and the doors are secure locked the windows are locked no damage, and they move on it doesn't mean they're not inside. people sometimes leave these homes open so other guests can show up and use the house, or they hide a key somewhere where it's obvious and these guys could find it. the question is are they going inside getting ahold of the owners and somehow arranging to check the inside? once you check it on a given day doesn't mean after you move on that they move in afterwards. so that problem for that 330 homes and buildings and other
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shedding we pointed out yesterday on the wall that's still a problem. it's a problem to have ma manpower to keep rechecking. >> it's a lot, a lot of effort. matt so we've got investigators. they're saying now they know joyce mitchell this worker at the prison she provided all kinds of alarming things hacksaws special glasses with lights on them. would those have been enough for them to escape? it sounds like she didn't provide the power tools. >> maybe not, but clearly she's been talking to police for almost a week now, so they have been gathering information day by day by day. even though it appeared she was helping police and giving us information we needed she was also hurting herself. at some point the natural course will happen and i think you're seeing that. >> matthew, do you think they had a plan for once they got out? or was all of this just putting getting out? >> absolutely i think they had a
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plan. they have a lot of time to think about it. when you cut through pipes and go through an elaborate process, yeah they had a plan. i believe they probably said two things we either find a getaway car or have a particular location. we believe this spot is pretty much has already been laid out, nobody that somebody is helping them. they probably have food and water. that's the reason why you don't have any sightings. they hunkered down somewhere, either together or they're either out of the area. >> we've seen proof they did hunker down with some food but the wrappers were from the prison commissary. they're leaving like a trail of bread crumbs. >> they're doing it on purpose. are they that stupid? maybe they had joyce help them and promised joyce, we're going to leave on sunday you pick us up we're going to tang you to shangri-la and maybe they used her phone, called somebody else and just left her high and dry. maybe that's why she's being so
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cooperative, because they dimpled her before they even got out of the prison. >> interesting. we don't know that's why -- -- we don't know any of it. >> but they're master manipulators and you can't put it past them. thanks to all of you. coming up president obama is trying to look on the bright side despite a democratic revolt the only way can you describe it that threatens to derail an issue. later, is she black or white? and does it rather be matter? a nationwide debate erupts over an naacp leader. the promise of the cloud is that every organization has unlimited access to information, no matter where they are. the microsoft cloud gives our team the power to instantly deliver critical information to people, whenever they need it. here at accuweather we get up to 10 billion data requests every day. the cloud allows us to scale up so we can handle that volume. we can help keep people safe
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xfinity is perfect for people who want more entertainment for their money. we're following some breaks news. despite president obama's last-minute visit to capitol hill a democratic revolt this afternoon handed him a stinging defeat on an issue that he considers very key to his legacy a potential trade deal with nations around the pacific ocean. i want to get the latest on this now from cnn's senior white house correspondent jim acosta. it sounds like behind the scenes the white house might be very concerned, but publicly they're playing it cool. >> reporter: yeah that's what they're trying a the this point, but no question about. this was a huge and humbling defeat as the trade agenda was nearly wiped out by the fellow democrats, the last-minute trip
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up to capitol hill earlier today for an appeal behind closed doors, that backfired as several told reporters afterwards they were offended by mr. obama's remarks, so led by nancy pelosi democrats voted against a proposal they would normally support, a bill providing relief to workers who lose their jobs to outsourcing. democrats did that to neutralize a second measure that would give the president authority to negotiate trade deals like that one you mentioned, democrats believe those kinds of deals kill american jobs and so this loss comes after a huge white house push for passage that included a presidential trip to the congressional baseball game last night, but white house insists the president's trade agenda is not dead just yet. here's what they had to say. >> i would acknowledge there's differences of opinion, but there are far more many areas where we agree than disagree. this is the hallmark of a legislative procedural snafu. i think we know it when we see
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it snow. >> the white house says the president and other top officials already making calls to democrats to see if there's a path forward and potentially a chance to see if there's a crack at this in the coming days. the president is hosting a congressional picnic tess white house next week as josh earnest said earlier today, that should be a lot of fun. which it was not exactly the way i think it's going to unfold. it might be just a bit awkward, eye specially with nancy pelosi. >> i hope you get to go to the picnic. >> reporter: yes. >> reporter: thank you, jim acosta joining us from the white house. joining us is one of the democrats who split. definite joe manchin of west virginia. he voted against the deal when it came up in the senate. so senator, why did you disagree? obviously there's a lot of concern here from trade unions from labor. do you just really see their
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point of view or is there something that could change the mind of democrats like you who have not sided with the president en masse? >> well it would be hard to dispute the facts of all the jobs lost in america. just in my beautiful state of west virginia we lost 31,000 manufacturing jobs. they told us nafta would be the cure-all of all cure-alls. 22 years later, mexico still has less than a dollar an hour minimum wage. i think they're at 80 cents or so. seven of these 1 is countries we're supposed to be doing this trade deal with have minimal wages of less than $2. united states of america has more separation disparity, inequality if you will in pay than we've ever had before. we have not seen the up tick from the average working people. from the communities around west virginia that should be enjoying
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more of a robust economy. we don't see that. we have the largest economy in the world, and we're going to make deals -- try to make deals and have to do them in secrecy, because we're afraid they're going to walk away from the deal if somebody knows? >> but senator, all trade deals are negotiated in secrecy, right? that's how it goes and then you get to vote yes or no later. that was part of what would have been decided today if the house had gotten to this -- >> but there's no -- >> gives the president this fast-track authority? >> we have no input, though. they want to vote on tpa, as it is exactly what they have decided. they're going to make final results after, and we have 60 days to review it but we can't have input to change. and if there's unfairness in there, if there's an imbalance, what are we gonna do? live with it? >> you can vote no on it if you don't like it.
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>> i did. i voted no on the tpa. i don't like abdicating my responsibilities to have input basically on a deal or trade deal. granted, this deal here i went down to the secured room. this is more secured than the iran nuclear deal. it's more secured -- i couldn't even take my staff in. i don't know what's in there that they're hiding. i don't have a photographic memory to memorize every part of this -- >> so let me ask you this -- this is a deal the president is negotiating. i know you certainly put distance between yourself and president obama. this could really be a hit to his legacy and at the same time he and the white house are really trying to say, you know that there are more protections for workers than they are under nafta. what do you say to your democratic president who this is such a big legacy item for and he's trying to give
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reassurances? do you not believe him? >> first of all, we keep worrying about the democrat -- the president the is the president of the united states so i don't look at this as a partisan issue. it's not a party line issue. never has been with me. you so me something that makes sense and i can explain to west virginia i'm fine. if it doesn't, i can't do it. this doesn't make sense for me to not be able work on a piece of legislation that's going to basically control how we do the largest trade deal in the united states of america's history. and you're going to tell me it's going to pay dividends down the road? i can only judge be the past performance of other trade deals, starting with nafta. it has not hat not been good for my state. i don't think it's been good for the manufacturing of this country, hasn't been good for the working people of this country. now, it's good for wall street i will agree on that. they've done excellent. it's going to open up markets
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for international corporations that's able to go takes advantage of a low-priced low-waged market sell their products back unencumbered. i'm sure they're going to do well but i'm looking out for america, west virginia. i'm concerned, i really am. i would like more input. that's all. >> you'd like more input. i know the white house is listening to you and other democrats, and also republicans as well a real defeat hi got from both parties today. senator manchin, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. we do have more breaking news ahead. there's a source that says the prison worker accused of helping the new york escapees has now been arrested. we have details straight ahead. leave early go roam sleep in sleep out star gaze dream big wander more care less beat sunrise chase sunset
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we do have some breaks news now. the prison workers accused of aiding the escape of those two convicted killers, she's about to be arraigned. the source says she's actually already in custody. i want to bring in brian todd and we have tom fuentes a former fbi assistant director. there near the scene of the search is miguel marquez. brian, let's get the latest on this. we know she's been giving a lot of information, but it looks like the cuffs are on. >> it looks like they're closing in on her possibly making a case. we're told by a source with knowledge of the investigation, telling our producer she's in and out in police custody.
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we heard just a few moments ago she was being to be arraigned on the unknown charges. the charges we were told earlier that she could face this from the d.a. promoting prison contraband and accessory to the escape. those are possibility charges for her. not clear if those will be the exact charges, but earlier today, the district attorney andrew wiley said those were possibilities for her, and if she is booked on those charges and convicted she could serve up to seven years in prison on those charges. >> okay. >> we know she had been very cooperative, according to the d.a. she sought them out every day, she had not retained an attorney. she had been giving them very critical information. they were afraid that they may not want to charge her earlier in the week for fear that that might end her cooperation. now, the question is -- where does that cooperation go? did it take a turn today? as a result of that did they
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say fine we'll charge her? >> did it take a turn? or is it possible they gout all the information they could? do you think they may take it easy on her? >> they'll still have that decision to make but i think you're right. it doesn't necessarily take a turn but they've been talking to her a week and they have all the phone and internet records. the phone calls they made with her phone, so they have pretty much all the information they might get out of her, and maybe she wants to be in protective custody if she's afraid of them. >> how confident -- you're there, on the ground you even see police walking around. i know it's raining and the search is tough, but what's your read talking to officials, seeing them walk around on how confidence they are, that they're close to getting these escapees? >> well they're confidence level hasn't changed at all. on the arrest i can tell you people across this area are either scratching their heads as to how and why she could do this up to just absolute sort of
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frosting anger over something that they would actually help two individuals like this. searchers here on the ground there have been very intense periods of searching today, just a few miles west of where we are. we are right in between dannemora and the farther -- the easternmost edge of the search area about a five-mile square search area that in total that they have blocked off, but they've been searching in much, much more refined areas, sort of near highway 3, and bucks corners road and also trudeau road in there. very intense moments, lots of police, dogs, atv and an army of troopers in there as well going through everything trying to find these individuals. it takes them a lot of time because they have to grid everything off. go how to house, go and make sure they know where they search what is secure and where they have to go from there, so
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it takes time but they seem to be on the right path everyone we talk to hoping it comes to an end very soon. her arraignment which we believe is in dannemora and there would be a press conference because the rain has been so hard it's been tough for authorities to put this all together. >> u.s. to loop in our viewers on this new development here joyce mitchell that prison worker where these two convicted killers escaped from just to be clear what the charges are here because she is going to be arraigned. the new york state police arrested her, and they arrested her for providing material assistance to both richard matt and david sweat. so that is what they are facing right now, assisting them and eye scaping from the clinton correctional facility there. what do you make of this, tom? do you think this is a woman -- especially consideration how cooperative she's been. she didn't lawyer up. do you think she was a
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vulnerable type of personality and got swept up in this? what do you think? >> i think that dealing with psychopathing like that they played to her weaknesses and charmed her and how important she is to their lives, and then she cud by got swept up in this thing. we don't know if she dumped them and didn't show up or whether they dumped her and made other arrangements without telling her, and that led -- >> meaning whatever plans they made with her was to throw police off the scent? >> they may not have wanted to take her with. >> but what about these wrappers? these wrappers that are from the prison commissary that were found in this search area. >> leading them to believe maybe opt thing were given -- >> they stowed food they could have gotten that anywhere. what we do know, according to sources she provided them with hacksaws eyeglasses with lights
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on them drill bits. one former prison warden told us she would not be searched on her way to work. but we do know from sources that she provided those items to them. we're told today she had a relationship with both of them. >> both of them. not sure what that means exactly. >> and didn't know which one she favored, so as tom was saying and we're hearing this from former marshals from psychiatrists, they guys very likely played her, manipulated her. >> sure and we've heard they're master manipulators. just to be clear, mitchell has told now we're told from the new york state police with promoting prison contraband first degree that goes to what brian just explained, and criminal facilitation both degree and both of these are felonies. we're awaiting a press conference coming up very soon. the district attorney will be leading that. there will be many questions hopefully that are answered.
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we are following some new developments in a story that is sparking a passionate debate really taking over social media. rachel dozal, president of the spokane, washington chapter of the naacp. she says she's african-american but her estranged parents say she's actually white and her mother is accusing her of being
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"dishonest and deceptive" with her identity. cnn national correspondent suzanne malveaux reports. >> are you african-american? >> i don't -- i don't understand the question. >> reporter: it all came crashing down for naacp spokane president rachel dolazal, who has been portraying herself as a black woman for the past ten years. confronted by a reporter her parents are now calling her out. ruth ann and lawrence say their 37-year-old daughter is white. >> we are her birth parents. and we do not understand why she feels it's necessary to misrepresent her ethnicity. >> reporter: her ethnicity is swiss, german czech, and native american they say. they provided this photo of rachel as a young girl on the left. on the right, here's what she looks like today. >> seemed like she was just doing more of an artistic
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expressive representation of her identifying with african-americans by doing her hair next tensions and things like that. >> reporter: rachel grew in predominantly white montana but her parents say she immersed herself in the black community when she attended college in jackson, mississippi. rachel's parents had also adopted four black children. >> rachel has always been interested in ethnicity and diversity, and we had many friends of different ethnicities when she was growing up. so it didn't start with the four adopted children of color. it was probably that added to her passion. >> reporter: rachel even received a full scholarship to the historically black college howard university which never inquired about her ethnicity on her application. >> eyes were popping and jaws were dropping when she walked in to finalize her registration in person. >> reporter: but they say they became estranged from their daughter when she began to assume a new black identity. rachel married an african-american man, kevin,
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with whom she had a son, who posted a video about their love. ♪ i want to kiss you for the rest of my life ♪ >> reporter: rachel would post facebook pictures of one of her adopted brothers as her own son, identified herself a job application as part black. as professor of africana studies at eastern washington university rachel was clear. >> i don't like the term african-american i prefer black. >> reporter: it was questionable death threats and reported hate crimes against rachel and her family which led to an investigation and questions about her race. in january, the spokane chapter of the naacp posted a picture of her standing beside this black man who rachel claimed was her father. she said he couldn't visit spokane because he was battling cancer. >> is that your dad? >> yeah. that's my dad. >> it should be noted there have always been white students at howard university and white members of the naacp.
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there was no need for rachel d. lazar to retend she's black. today the naacp is coming to rachel's defense. saying in part one's racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for naacp leadership. goes on to say the naacp alaska oregon washington state conference stands behind miss dolazar's advocacy record. they are standing by her. there really wasn't a real reason why she couldn't participate and be a part of the community. >> sure that makes sense. suzanne malveaux thank you so much fascinating report. we have jeff gardeer, professor of behavior medicine. this is sparking a fascinating debate. on one hand you have some people saying look whatever. it doesn't matter whether she's black or white. maybe she's transracial, maybe you can identify with whatever ethnicity you want. on the other hand you have people who are questioning
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whether she's a pathological liar. so when you look at this and particularly i know you've seen this interview, in a way i almost felt like i was seeing her crumble once it was questioned whether she was african-american or not. she actually walks away from the interview without i think her keys or whatnot, kind of takes shelter in some boutique. when you look at that reaction to her being caught in this lie, what do you make of whether this is an emotional issue? >> it tells me that this is someone who was living in some ways a lie by saying that she was a black person. now, maybe she is we don't know there's something that we don't know about this. but it appears from looking at her parents and what we're hearing in the news stories that she lied about her ethnicity. look there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying that you identify or overidentify with african-americans or that you live your life in a way that you feel that you're african-american.
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but when you tell the lie that you are african-american it tells me that there are some psychodynamic ebbss there, especially with the parents, especially separating oneself with the race of your parents, that can speak to some other emotional things that may be going on. >> what do you make of her parents coming out and saying our daughter's lying? >> well the proof is in the pudding. i mean, the fact that the parents are kind of outing their daughter and i can understand their outrage to some extent. but at the same time and certainly i feel for everyone involved including this young woman. but i would like to see them perhaps trying to get her some help. perhaps trying to understand why she went from an overidentification of being african-american thinking in that way, to actually saying that she was african-american by race. so there's some things that are going on that do need to be
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addressed, i believe, in more of a therapeutic venue and not the political one. >> jeff gardeer, very good point, thank you for joining us. coming up we have breaking news. the woman who allegedly helped escapees from prison she's been arrested charged with two felonies her husband being questioned about his possible role. to create a more advanced vehicle, you use the most innovative technology available. to craft a more luxurious vehicle, you use the most skilled hands on earth. like ones that spend 38 days creating a lexus ls steering wheel. or 2,000 hours calibrating an available mark levinson audio system. the high-tech, handcrafted lexus ls. luxury, uncompromised. this is the pursuit of perfection. hey, what are you doing? you said you were going to find out about plenti, the new rewards program. i did. in fact, i'm earning plenti points right now. but you're not doing anything right now. lily? he's right. sign up, and you could earn plenti points just for being a wireless customer.
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