cruiser. there was a chase to this location. there has been a standoff there ever since. for more than seven hours now. we're expecting a news conference at 9:30 eastern. we'll bring that to you live. >> stay close. i'm michael smerconish welcome to the program. we are thrilled to have senator lindsey gramham joining us today. thank you for your time. >> thank you. i think i make it an even 40. >> senator, i'm eager to talk about the affordable care act to get into the status of your race. can i the tell you in doing my own research in anticipation of your being here i learned to google lindsey graham is to have to get through hundreds of links about your marital status before you get to any substance. why in the world are people so

fascinated by this? >> well, i'm the first bachelor to run for president in like forever. and there's been one single president. i understand that i'm different, i'm the one running for president, the only single guy. last time i checked at the white house there was no sign that said no single men need apply. here i am running for president, i'm good for married people single people short people tall people just trying to involve problems. that's just the way it is. >> pew research says there are growing numbers for those like you than others. do you believe your marital status is being used as a political weapon by some of your political opponents? >> oh i've been single all my life. when i was 21 my mom died when i was 22 my dad died. my sister would get my benefits if something happened to me.

we were first in the family to go to college, we all have stories. >> i watched a four or five-minute video at your website, the lindsey graham official website, and didn't recognize that while you were at the university of south carolina you lost both of your parents and therefore responsibility for caring for your sister largely fell to you. and i wondered if maybe that's the genesis of all this that because you had that added responsibility of caring for her, your priorities weren't the same as other folks. >> you know try to explain why somebody is single divorced married, life is complicated. here's what i have to offer. i think a well-grounded belief that we can't solve americans' problems unless republicans and democrats work together. ready to be commander in chief on day one. i did lose my parents at a young age. but my aunt and uncle helped raise my sister.

friends lent me money, we were flat broke. so i know what it is like to be knocked down. and i can tell you, life is fragile. and most people are one car wreck away from needing somebody's help. and i think it's made me a better political leader. i think it's made me a better person to know how fragile life is. >> the front page of the friday new york times which i'm holding in my hands, the headline obama looks to add bases and troops in iraq. it's a discussion of the administration now wanting to expand our footprint in iraq and to add troops. is there vindication in this for what lindsey graham has been saying? >> i'm not asking to be vindicated no. what i'm asking is to degrade the stride. the president has the right goal but the policy won't work. the anbar tribes and the sunni tribes are not going to switch against isil because we have 450 trainers. the surge did work. what happened in the surge is that the anbar tribes broke away from al qaeda in iraq. we had 9,000 marine and army troops in anbar helping them

fight al qaeda and iraq. so we need around 10,000 american forces to thicken the iraqi security forces to rebuild their army. at the end of the day, we need special forces on the ground in iraq and syria killing the leaders of isil. we need to build up capacity of the iraqi army to take the fight to isil ramadi and mosul. a couple aviation battalions and need to take it to these guys. but if you don't get syria right, michael, you will never fix iraq. so it's a mistake to look at iraq without looking at syria. >> i have to say you make me nervous as the father of three teenager sons when senator lindsey graham talks about the indefinite nature of this campaign. i heard you earlier this week put it in the context of post world war ii germany, japan and the korean conflict. >> yeah you know i don't know how old your kids are, if they joined the military now and i'm their commander and chief, i will do what i can to protect them. but i can't promise they will confront the enemy because i believe they will. radical islam in the form of

isil is not just a threat to the homeland. i worry about foreign fighters going to isil and it's just a matter of time we are hit back at home until we put them in a box. people in the region they have to build up a small schoolhouse in a remote region helping a young girl that will do more radical islam than ament bo. but if your signs decide to join the military i will be their commander and chief but they have to understand that some of us go there to help others to contain the threat so it doesn't come here. and i'm in this thing to eradicate and destroy radical islam. that's more than dropping bombs and building up others. it's going to take a long time and don't know how to explain it any other way. >> senator graham everyone know there's an enormous republican field right now all pursuing the nomination. if i'm not mistaken it's only you and governor perry who have military service on your resumé. in your case, you retired as a colonel in the air force after a three decade long career.

should that be a prerequisite? do you think you and governor perry have an advantage over the remainder of the field because of your military service? >> i think it's made me a better senator and better person but not a prerequisite to be a chief. in the position i held i engaged myself and immersed myself into iraq and afghanistan. bush made mistakes. we didn't have a good plan when we took saddam down. we shouldn't have disbanded the iraqi army. my bad, i didn't understand it as well as i do today. when we got it right, we shouldn't have pulled all our troops out. if we go down to 1,000 troops in afghanistan rather than the 10,000 we need it will fall apart. here's what i offer. knowledge and background and experience that you need in the field. being a member in the military has been helpful in this regard. i have been part of the military unit for a long time that

focuses on accomplishing the mission and watching each other's back. having each other's back. and my business is about stabbing each other in the back. so i think as commander in chief, having understood their life a bit, will make me a better commander in chief but it's not a prerequisite. >> how far are you to appease the top warlords as you pursue the nomination? >> listen they have a job. they are entertaining people. they are not my enemy. i can take it trust me i can take it. if somebody says something bad about me on the radio, i can get right back up the next day. i think what i'm doing somebody better do. we are not going to defeat radical islam without a whole government approach. otherwise these guys are going to get stronger. if the iranians get nuclear capability they will use it. the world is in a pretty volatile place. how do you solve immigration just by order security alone unless you tell democrats what happens to 11 million? how do you simpson-boles when we

are asking other people to work longer and people of my income level to give less if you don't work together? i'm willing to do that. it is not an asset. >> within a month we'll get a major supreme court decision on the affordable care act that could wipe out subsidies in the states that did not set up their own exchange. should the republican congress have a plan ready to go to protect the 7 million americans who right now are dependent upon the subsidies? >> absolutelied. i think i want to definitely transition away from the obama care model, which is basically destroying private health care insurance. but i'm not going to throw 7 million people off the roles. there needs to be a period of time where you transition so yes, i think republicans need to have a plan to make sure people don't lose their subsidy overnight and have the democrats create an alternative obamacare.

i know what it is like to be under insured, trust me it's not a fun place to be. >> final question for lindsey graham thank you for being gracious for your time. jeb bush is about to announce on monday with a war chest of 100 million and yet republicans continue to jump into this race. can i take that none of you, lindsey graham or the others are intimidated by his wallet or his name? >> here's what i can say. anybody judging jeb bush in june in his status campaign really don't know what they are talking about. jeb has to convince people in the early states he's ready to be president. if one more bush is not one too many i think he would be a good nominee and a good president. and at the end of the day, he's going to have to explain to the american people why he should be president of the united states. hillary clinton, smart, but i think she's the third term of barack obama. i think she represents the past. there's nothing new there. the reason 16 people are running for president on the republican side is we think we can beat

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aveeno®. naturally beautiful results® on friday in the 5:00 hour eastern time there was a document dumped by the cia. many of us were excited that at long last we had seen the 28 pages from a congressional investigation into the events of september 11th that allegedly concerned saudi involvement, potential saudi involvement in the events of september 11. instead, this is what we got. blank pages. here to provide some perspective is michael shoyer who ran the bin laden unit at the cia. michael, i'll awfully disappointed on what was

released friday afternoon. >> it does look rather foolish michael, it's just a couple air graphs that say, hey, we don't know what the saudis were doing. the fbi has the information and didn't give it to us. talk to them. it's almost like there was a story to break and the agency wanted to deflect attention to the fbi rather than itself. >> your job was to hunt bin laden. your job was to run the alex station at the cia before the events of september 11th. talk to me about the saudis as allies or maybe not as allies in that era and the dates leading up to september 11. >> well, we set up our unit michael, in december of 1995. and one of the first things we did early in the new year in '96 was to ask the saudis for simple things. osama bin ladin's birth certificate, medical records, passports, banking records, you know let's say we asked for

them on 15 january, 1996. when i resigned from the agency in november of 2004 the saudis had not provided any of that information. and what made it worse was we repeated the request over and over again. and john brennan who was, at the time in charge of the saudi peninsula, sent us a message that said don't send me any more messages. these requests offend the saudis. so the saudis were zero help michael, absolutely zero help. >> bob graham was the former governor of florida, former senator from florida, the chair of the senator intel committee at the time of the events of september 11. he's been leading the campaign to get the 28 pages, of which he's familiar released. it attracted support across party lines. dr. ron paul rand paul have both climbed on board in this campaign. the president i know on multiple

occasions promised 9/11 victim family members they will see the pages, the 28 pages, but it hasn't happened. and this is not them. i mean of the 30 or so pages that i now have in front of me there's a paragraph or two that really doesn't tell us much of anything. >> it does not, michael. it is not helpful at all. you know michael, i think the context of the thing people should keep in mind is that osama bin laden was the poster child for the success of the saudi educational system. the saudis have involved in supporting islamic fighters in africa in bosnia everywhere around the world. really the problems we face today find their birthplace in saudi arabia. and because of our close relationship as a nation because of our oil relationship because of personal relationships between the bushes and the saudis and other people

and the saudis there's an intense desire in the government to protect saudi arabia. just as there is with israel. both of them. it's not fair to the american people. i don't know what they are hiding. i never saw the end report. but there's no reason to hide it. americans should know who their enemies are. >> what we do know for sure is that bin laden, a saudi and i forget if 14 or 15 of the 19 were all saudi nationals. >> the great es number of people to attack us in iraq have been saudis. >> and the question that gets raised is whether the bid to maintain peace and stability at home has made a deal with the wahobists in their midst in case something takes place outside of saudi arabia. is that similarplistic terms? >> that's not simplistic at all.

part of that is that the saudi government and the foreign policy and intelligence activities provides support for those fighting overseas against all kinds of enemies, not just americans, but the serbians and kenyans and a lot of other people certainly. >> michael, i think we have the right to know what the congressional committee learned about saudi arabia. and this my friend is not it. >> that's not it sir. and the american people don't have any idea really what the 9/11 commission was told by agency officers under oath and with supporting documents. because those are archived in the 9/11 commission and was never released. and the 9/11 commission report itself is just a whitewash of what went on. >> michael scheuer, thank you, as always. donald trump has a big announcement and with a planned stop in iowa could he really be entering the presidential race? plus marco rubio under the

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good morning. we are minutes away from a news conference on this morning's violent attack against dallas police department headquarters.

>> good morning, everyone. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. we have been following this story all morning. we'll start with pictures of the van and the active standoff here. you see in the center of your screen a blue van described to be armored and around it there are police cars dallas police cars. they describe the person inside as potentially armed and dangerous. here's the latest video into cnn into the newsroom of the attack. watch. [ bleep ]. >> come on guys! [ shots fired ] >> okay. so here was the moment you see that black van as it smashes into the police car. this is obviously somebody on a

roof. and listen -- you hear all the gunshots going off. and then the black van is going to take off and you're going the see all the police cars just in a line start the chase. this happened about 1:30 this morning eastern time. as many as four suspects we are told are armed with automatic weapons and opened fire on the texas police department. there are windows shattered, bullets piercing squad cars, but officers did act very quickly. they fired back and forced whoever was inside the van to take off. that's the point where you're picking it up here with the video you see. and, of course we are in standoff mode. >> this is the start of the chase. they chased that van and cornered it near the interstate about 14 minutes later. at which point s.w.a.t. was called in to begin negotiations. and the standoff continues at this hour. one of the suspects in that van tells officers that his name is james boulware and he's angry as

because they took away his child as described the by the chief and labeled him a terrorist. >> suspicious bags were also found back at police headquarters. this is a two-fold investigation. we know pipe bombs were inside one of the bags. the bag blew up when an explosive robot attempted to move that bag and it blew up. two of them were also deemed as trash. another one was detonated by the eod. and it seems that everything has been clear at the police station. now they are just processing the two scenes. one at the police station now as they collect all the evidence. the other at the scene of the standoff. >> we'll bring in cnn law enforcement analyst cedrick alexander who is with us. we also have with us cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi director tom fuentes. tom, i want to start with you on what we're getting from the

dallas police department twitter page. they now say that dallas s.w.a.t. is utilizing the robot to examine the suspect's vehicle. they are still concerned about explosives and they followed that up with whether or not the suspect is injured or deceased. concerns continue to be the threat of explosives with two devices found. this van has been in this position for six or seven hours now. close to eight hours. that's a credible concern that maybe james boulware if that is james boulware is deceased because he told officers he was injured. >> that's the problem, victor. they don't know what his status is inside. they can't walk up and knock on the door because he may be alive and well and start shooting at them. and, as you mentioned, the possibility that he used explosives to rig booby-traps. so when they do open the vehicle

doors, they could explode. the robot will give them the advantage there. he can shoot and can ill the robot but it won't be a dallas police officer. >> we have learned from the police department as well that evacuees were cleared out after the initial standoff there in front of the headquarters of the department. they have been allowed back into their homes across from the headquarters after a search for additional explosives. so this all clear situation as it relates to the building the headquarters is now expanding to a larger area. there seems to be now confinement to just that parking lot. or do you get a different reading? >> no i think that's exactly right. and i think the police know that oftentimes witness statements about how many people are firing weapons or how many gunshots are heard, you know sometimes kit be inaccurate. the idea there were still gunmen on the loose in that area or going into apartments in that area had to be a concern, but

once they have had a chance to really search the area or the apartments you know they are doing the best they can to get that done quickly so people can return to their homes. they have been out of their homes since midnight their time and now it's morning. so i'm sure the people are very pleased to get safely back into their homes. >> victor mentioned it and it's true when you think about it this has been going on for eight hours. so not only are the folks who have been evacuated probably pretty exhausted and frustrated but i think about the mentality of the police at this point. the mentality of that suspect who has been in that van for that long as well. as the hours tick by good or bad for police? >> well, in situations where a person is holding a hostage, the longer it goes usually the better. because a bonding occurs between the hostage taker and the victims.

but in the case like this where you have essentially the equivalent of a barricaded subject, and we don't believe there's any people inside that vehicle that are innocent. we don't have a family home or where children are inside the fact that this is contained to that van, is the question of how long do they wait. over a period of time you may use infrared equipment to look for a heat signature inside the vehicle, but unfortunately it's too soon to be having that effective. so they'll have to wait and see for an appropriate amount of time. >> what you're seeing there on your screen are the preparations for a news conference in dallas. we are hoping to hear expecting to hear from chief david brown. that was scheduled to start about 90 seconds ago. so i'm sure it will happen pretty soon. i will have to cut you off, sed

drik rick cedrick if we start to hear and see the chief. but i can imagine this is difficult in telling the public what you know and -- i guess we have the chief, we'll come to you afterward. here's chief david brown. >> last we spoke earlier this morning, we were treating two scenes as active scenes for the critical incident involving suspects -- one suspect shooting at police headquarters. then being chased to a location in wilma hutchens. since that time we want to update you on what has transpired since then. at 4:30 a.m. our bomb robot picked up a bag, a suspicious package, at our jack evans police headquarters on 1400 south lamar. this bag contained pipe bombs. and as the robot picked up the bag, the bag exploded

detonated. at 4:35 a.m. at the location in wilma hutchins where the suspect's van is parked our s.w.a.t. snipers shot out the engine block of the suspect vehicle with our .50 caliber sniper rifle disabling the van. at 4:38 a.m. a suspicious briefcase was reported in the dumpster in our northeast police substation. we dispatched bomb techs to this location and this package was cleared and was not a bomb. between 4:45 and 5:00 a.m. we began calling additional bomb

tech resources from the fbi here in dallas and our atf partners here in dallas. and we called state resource bomb techs for additional bomb technicians to report to this area. at 5:07 a.m. our s.w.a.t. snipers shot at the suspect in wilma hutchins through the front windshield excuse me through the front windshield of the van striking the suspect. since that time we have set the bomb tech robot that has a camera to try and confirm whether the suspect is deceased.

because the suspect during negotiations expressed that the van he was traveling in was rigged with explosives our officers are not approaching that vehicle but instead our bomb technicians are dploug the robot and plan to detonate specific areas around the van to ensure that it's not rigged to explode. so we have a planned detonation occurring at that van in wilma hutchins with firebomb techs. the fbi has been called in to assist us in this very complex

investigation. and they will relieve dpd resources as necessary. dpd is also coordinating with mesquite bomb squads at the last known address of the suspect. we also are responding to a caller who called in to wfaa disguising their voice and claiming to have a bomb. our detectives at wfaa headquarters are trying to figure out ways to track that phone call. all of our seven patrol stations have been searched and have been cleared of any suspicious

packages at this time. police headquarters is now transitioning to a crime scene. and we are partnering with crime scene techs from our staffing and we're reaching out to help for other crime scenes in the area to help us collect evidence evidence. some of the bomb making material -- there are video images online with cameras in the area that we are trying to retrieve video images from and then will begin to talk to witnesses. so there's a very complex crime scene at police headquarters. and soon after the robot clears the van and we're able to identify the deceased what we believe is the deceased inside the van, crime scene techs will then transition to wilma

hutchins to collect evidence. just looking at and listening to our officers who were responding to the gunshots at headquarters and at hutchins some officers say we are very lucky. i believe we are very blessed that officers survived this ordeal. there are bullet holes in squad cars where officers were sitting. there are bullet holes in the front lobby where our staff was sitting. and once that number shows, many of them would have been killed by the pathway of the bullets.

the second floor has bullet holes in it. the information desk has bullet holes throughout. preliminary, we believe this suspect meant to kill officers and took time to discharge that weapon multiple times to accomplish their wanting to harm our officers. when the van rammed the squad car, that official lyly -- second the movement of the officers saved their lives. if they had stood still and not shot in response they wouldn't have survived. we have been concerned with

security at our police infrastructure for some time. we have just increased our funding to make sure we have enough staffing at the front desk but this brings up a completely new perspective on what might need to happen to ensure that our police officers and passers-by need to seek out help get their reports. we need to rethink and relook at security measures in all our police facilities as a result of that incident. and we'll be doing that in the coming weeks and months. with that i'll take questions. let's do it this way, you raise your hand and i'll get to all of you. i'm going to try to work my way from right to left if that's okay. so -- you raise your hand sir.

[ in inaudible ] >> what we believe now is that one officer was shot in different parts of headquarters. and witnesses may have seen different views of the suspects shooting from various locations in front of headquarters. so again, we're still in the early beginnings of our investigation. but right now that's our belief that this was one suspect shooting from different angles different positions. making it appear from witness perspective depending on where they were standing if it was multiple suspects. yes, sir. >> reporter: chief brown, under the fbi or pd has the suspect been under the radar for a while now? >> what we are learning now and learned earlier there were three

family violence cases against this suspect. and apparently there was some type of custody issue as a result of the family violence incidents involving this suspect. we had no other indication of the suspect threatening police officers or threatening police facilities although there have been expressions of threats toward the judges in the family violence cases. and if you go online and look at his social media footprint, awfully concerning. but no indication that this would happen. looking back now, hindsight is 20/20, but looking back yet, we still don't see the indication that he was planning this type of assault on a police facility. >> reporter: do we know if he had a background in explosives or the military? >> we don't know that yet. >> reporter: did he leave any notes or any sort of indication or through the conversations

that he had with your negotiators, any sort of indication about why he would have done this? and if you can talk about the reports that they were talking to the suspect, when did those conversations cease and was there indication to his level of injury from the conversations. >> he wouldn't have a conversation with him. we don't yet know motive. as i mentioned earlier, we are not going to send our officers up to that van at this point until we are sure that it's not rigged with explosives and would explode upon sensitive touch, much like the bag at

headquarters. so we are very cautious with the approach. and we're going to get as much information as quickly as we can, but not at the expense of officers' safety. yes, sir. >> reporter: can you tell us more about the van, where did he get it from? and how difficult was it to get it to stop? >> we don't yet know that. the van stopped on its own. and the engine was continuing to run until our snipers took out the engine block, because we were concerned he might take off based on his agitation with us during negotiations. so we had to make a call to disable the van. the best way for us to do that was the shoot out of the engine block. >> reporter: is this the same man that was arrested in paris, texas, 2011? could be 2013? >> we have not confirmed the identity of this suspect. what we do know is it's a white

male. and we've got a height/weight description. we're not approaching the van until our bomb techs ensure that it's not rigged with explosives. yes, sir. >> reporter: regarding his claim that police accused him of terrorism, do we know now that he's responding to a charge of domestic threatening related to a domestic violence call or has he been accused of actual terrorism? >> we have been from the very beginning, coordinating with the fbi to ensure that if there were a terrorism nexus, we would get that information quickly. we have yet to confirm any of his rants of being accused of being a terrorist. he doesn't show to be in our databases on any terrorism watch list or anything like that. so it may have just been a rant. we are continuing to research his history and so in the coming

hours we hope to finalize that he's not on there, but there could be something out there. as of right now, we don't have any connection to terrorism with this individual. >> reporter: just to be clear, you are researching the identity of the name he gave and you have not confirmed that is correct. >> that is him, that's correct. i'm going to work my way back around. i'm starting from the right and going right back around okay? yes, sir. you didn't ask one on the first round. >> reporter: how was the contact negotiated with this man? did you call him? did he call you? and if you called him, how did you get that number? >> right, so initially he called 911. and left a long rant on our 911 tapes. and from that 911 call we got a phone number. because we can get the numbers that's calling in to 911. and then our negotiators called that number and that began our

negotiations at the scene in hutchins. >> reporter: can you identify him by that number? >> no. we're going to have to get i.d. on his person fingerprint, at this point. yes, sir. >> reporter: was there a threat to the pd or -- >> yes. the rant was about what we mentioned in the first briefing. first of all, that we had police that caused him to lose custody of his child. secondly we accused him of being a terrorist and that he as a result was going to blow us up. and that was the extent of the threat. there was no mention of the gunshots toward the police facility or the attempt at killing an officer who had pulled up in front of him ramming the car during that rant. but that had already happened when he called 911.

so again, he was just rambling quite a bit. you could tell quite a bit of anger. >> reporter: speaking of the officers was anybody injured at all? >> no. that's been the saving grace of this. where you see bullet holes where the officer was sitting in squad cars you see bullet holes in the doors where officers were standing behind but no officers injured. blessing. no civilians at all. if you are particular with this area it's a nightclub or a bar right nearby a hotel right nearby people coming and going pretty much all night long most nights. and no one injured at this point other than the suspect. yes, sir. >> reporter: on the defamation keeping in mind he may have been going off in this rant what was he saying he had? and in terms of the defamation have you scheduled it yet and is there any concern for public safety of the people nearby or

any need to potentially push back the perimeter and create some sort of evacuation before you detonate that van? >> yes, we have done all of that. he expressed he had c-4 in the van. so we don't want to call his bluff. particularly on what happened in police headquarters with the pipe bomb that we knew. he expressed the pipe bomb was there as well at police headquarters. and how sensitive it was to touch to explode. yes, we have taken due care and caution with insuring proper distance before we do the planned detonation and no we are not going to be able to release that information at this time. that's all based on the bomb techs, our plan to do it. and so that's within their view we don't dictate that nor are we going to try to micromanage

that. >> reporter: how did you make the decision for the snipers to finally fire on the suspect? >> already shot at our facility. had rammed a car. shot at officers two officers narrowly escaping. being shot by this suspect. then the suspect fled in a vehicle, we chased him, once he stopped, he swung open a door and began shooting at officers again. narrowly missing them again at hutchins. we exchanged gunfire with him. and the car was still running. so the initial thoughts were if we were negotiating with him, maybe he would give up peacefully. i think i mentioned that in an earlier briefing. but he quickly became agitated. it was on again/off again negotiation. but when the negotiation was on it became increasingly angry. and threatening. such that we were not only concerned with our officers there, trying to contain this

scene being shot by him, at a moment's notice. and the nearby neighborhoods. taking rounds based on his violence. and so our, our swat team is very good the best in the country. and we depend on them to make the call to protect officers and citizens and they made the call and i believe it's the right call to take the correct action to stop his violence. >> yes? >> a couple of follow-up questions. one on the 911 call that he made just to clarify, it was after the initial shooting and two, can you give us a sense of how advanced the armored vehicle is? tires bulletproof? just as best can you. can you describe what y'all were dealing with in terms of the vehicle? >> i'll put that out in the press release. i don't have that handy with me

as far as the descriptive nature of the van. but that's very good information, we'll put that out, definitely. >> the 911 call he made that immediately after the first shooting? and how long was that particular call? >> it was fairly long four or five minutes, it's a long phone call when he's just talking, we're not engaging in the conversation with him. we're just asking who is he what is he talking about. it was very high-pitched anger toward the police department. to our police officers and so he was very expressive of his intention on committing violence. against our officers against our facility. and he had planted packages to explode upon touch. one of our officers who were searching, we identify five

different packages only one which was planted with pipe bombs and our officers really that were doing the searching, just almost tripped over it. it was in the middle of the night. it was still dark. if he would have touched it he wouldn't have survived. another one of those things that happen throughout this whole ordeal where there but for the grace, we barely survived the intent of this suspect. >> yes, james? >> chief, you talk about pipe bomb in one, was there anything found in the others as a pipe bomb is relatively crude. c-4 is typically a weapons-grade military explosive. the joint terrorism task force we have, you have officers assigned. are they here is this guy on the radar? you say you know who he is. just not naming him right now? no. we've as much as we have been

able to give out all the information we know. and we try to add a caveat that we may be unable to determine or is preliminary, might change. so initially he told us a name. but we have yet to confirm. he could have just given out a name and that not be him. so we're not going to confirm that that's him until we're able to get into that van, and get some i.d. off of him, get his fingerprints and actually confirm through that evidence that that's who he is. so we're not holding back anything. you can criticize that both ways. but we would rather be more transparent with the public than with holding information from the public. >> how sure are you that there may be something else out there that you don't know of yet? and what are you doing in light of that possibility? >> we're doing some follow-up investigation, we're transitioning to from an active

shooting bomb scene to an investigative crime scene where we'll come up with those answers to those questions. but we're in the transition of that happening. so we can't -- know everything at this point. but when we find out more information, we will definitely release it to the public as soon as we find out that information. yes, sir? >> you had mentioned this is an area that's open to civilians. this was relatively early for a friday night. how close did we come to any civilians being caught in the crossfire? and is it clear that the suspect was specifically targeting officers? or was he shooting wildly and could have very easily struck a civilian? >> he could have easily struck a civilian. but we think he was specifically targeting police officers. there's video of people who took online and put it online people taking video and bullets whizzing by their head.

so it was very helter skelter for a long while. it was a long period of gunshots and changing magazines and more gunshots. it was a very active shooting scene when he was at police headquarters and he didn't care that officers when officers confronted him. he shot at officers just as freely as he was able to. we believe, at least if our officers' accounts that he initially started out shooting at ostsers with an assault weapon. transitioned to a shotgun. that's how determined this man was to hurt one of our officers. >>. [ inaudible ] [ inaudible ] >> we believe at this point again, a preliminary and we're doing an investigation, we want 0 give you information that we think we know now.

we believe he shot first, then called 911. >> shot first. >> at? >> police headquarters. >> and then called 911? >> yes. >> shooting through the lobby. >> yes, yes. >> okay. chief i was going to ask you, what type of weapon did he use? >> we don't know. >> rough estimate how many rounds? >> we don't know that's part of the investigative process, we've been transitioning to that. we hadn't picked up shell casings yet. yes? >> this is far from over. how relieved are you that you're having this press conference -- [ inaudible ] >> this has been a very chilling moment. particularly as you start transitioning to the investigative process and start looking at bullet holes in cars and bullet holes in lobby, information center where officers were sitting just seconds before this person shot. it raised the hair on the back of your neck pretty quickly.

just thinking what could have happened his intent and how we dodged literally dodged bullets. >> thank goodness we're here talking about all officers are okay. >> do you have anybody else in custody and given the fact that he potentially sent five or more packages to a couple of locations. is there any indication that he may have had there are potentially other suspects that need to be brought in? >> we don't have that information, this is still early. eight, nine hours into this ordeal we hope that that's the case and that there's nothing else out there. but we can't close that loop at this point. we have to continue to do our due diligence in the investigative process. particularly as we look at trajectory. look at whether or not people were in elevated positions.

or were they all shooting from all the shots coming from street level. so we just are not at the point where we can rule out all of the potential for other people. other things have happened. we just can talk about what we do know now. we got this one suspect in this van based on a robot viewing inside of the van in hutchins. >> and no one else is in custody? >> that's right. >> had he made threats to judges? have you all taken steps to -- >> we have. >> make sure -- >> yes, we have. last question? >> what's in terms of security what is -- [ inaudible ] budget trying to balance -- the risks to security -- [ inaudible ] >> that's way more reflective than i'm willing to be right now. i'm still more concerned about the well-being of officers having gone through this ordeal.

i'm still concerned with the investigative process, making sure that we close all the loop loopholes, make sure there's nothing else out there that we haven't uncovered. so at some point soon we'll be in that conversation. but right now, it's not the right time. thank you all so very much. we appreciate it we'll update you as soon as we know more information. thank you. 10:00 eastern, you've just watched a news conference from the dallas police department that was chief david brown. giving us the very latest on this attack as the department describes it. appropriately so. that happened just after 1:30 eastern time this morning. in which a suspect shot at police headquarters then rammed a cruiser and then drove off and was chased. here's a map and timing of what happened. and there has been a standoff for at least the last eight hours or so. we have learned that at about 5:07 i believe that time was,