it is 6:00 on the east coast. we begin in dallas where a judge thinks she has answers as to why a heavily armed gunman opened fire on dallas headquarters last night and also planted a pipe bomb outside. a hail of bullets rained down on police headquarters shortly after midnight. video captured by residents nearby shows it all unfolding and the entire incident ended with the suspect dead and his armored getaway van up in flames. a short time ago, we spoke exclusively with the judge, who awarded custody of the suspected gunman's son this week to the boy's grandmother. she said that he was unstable when he entered her courtroom and she always had increased security. >> what i know is, when he had a court appearance or when we thought that he would be in court, the security was always heightened in the building in my courtroom. i had extra security put in place. because he was always a threat to us. so we just didn't know what he would do or when he would do it

or you know, what was going to happen. >> police eventually shot and killed the suspect earlier today. they used a robot to detonate explosives that he had planted inside of his van. cnn's nick valencia is on the ground live this dallas following this. nick what an unbelievable sort of play out of events overnight there. i can imagine how scared the residents were nearby how scared the officers and everybody inside headquarters was in the middle of the night when this broke out. what else do we know about suspected gunman? >> reporter: it's something that police are still trying to wrap their minds around. right now the fbi, atf, and local police department are digitally mapping the crime scene to try to figure out exactly how this whole thing played out. what they don't know is exactly what direction the gunman came from his armored vehicle. we just got a tour of that crime scene you're looking at right behind me. and what we were told is that at least initially, the suspect was on foot. he opened fire. they believe those initial shots fired at the police headquarters

were from the street. he later got inside that armored vehicle and continued his attack smashing police squad cars and exchanging gunfire with the police. they said on that tour they believe the suspect used an automatic weapon but they did not disclose the caliber. they also took us to the site of where one of those several pipe bombs detonated. no one was injured during that explosion, but we did see some heavy damage to one of those police vehicles. the suspect eventually took police on a high-speed chase that ended about 18 miles away from here. that standoff eventually ending with the fatal shooting of the suspect. s.w.a.t. team members took him out with sniper fire. right now, what the investigation is focusing on is motive poppy. they don't know exactly what would inspire an individual to purchase or obtain an armored vehicle, and not only that but to carry out an attack on the police department that's a big question right now, that investigators are wrapping their minds around. poppy? >> i know nick you also just had a chance to tour to look

firsthand, at this damage to police headquarters. what did you see? >> yeah what we saw was a lot of crime scene markers on the ground. police investigators -- we were actually kind of surprised that they let us in so shortly after this incident happened. just about 12 hours after the shooting happened. 15 hours or so they let us inside. it was still a very active scene. in fact people were putting evidence markers on our feet. the police talked about it a little bit, a little bit about what they are going through right now in their investigation. >> one of the questions i heard earlier, were any officers hurt or injured? and right now, we have no officers that were hurt or injured, thank god. so we want to make sure that we've accounted for everybody, all right. as you can tell the suspect made contact with officers at this location as he was engaged in the building. officers responded, they got to the location and then turned on

the officers. >> you can tell the squad car took heavy fire and both officers that were in that vehicle survived. >> and he came up here where his car was waiting? >> his car was with -- he was always either in or just outside. outside. >> [ inaudible ] vehicle? >> the vehicle? we can describe it as a large van-type vehicle, armored, more like you see with an armored type of vehicle. we're asking if anybody has any other video that we don't have if they can, they can try to give it to us so we can see what we have. >> reporter: and given the circumstances surrounding the shooting it was a friday night. a lot of people were out. a lot of people were out especially at this boutique hotel right next-door to me which is why we have so many amateur videos of the incident. it is fortunate according to police that no one was injured. the only person injured in this incident was the suspect, poppy.

>> nick valencia reporting for us in dallas. nick thank you. let's talk about it now with criminologist casey jordan. casey, when you look at this case we know that the suspect just went through a bitter bitter custody dispute, we are told by the judge, that he was unstable. a history of mental illness. we're told by his family he was in and out of jail. but still, to drive someone to this, what does this the tell you? >> well you have a combination of mental instability, judge cooks confirmed that with incredible frustration and a lack of coping mechanisms. so a normal reasonable person would be understandably upset and they may talk to a lawyer what can i do to try to regain custody of my son, but this is not where he goes. i understand that nobody was actually injured or killed but you have to put him in the typology of a mass murderer. because by all accounts with five pipe bombs and all of that artillery, doing a rampage on a police department it should have been a massacre or mass murder. it was just beautifully handled

by the dallas police. but when we look at the psychology of mass murderers, this guy is a little bit of a combination between revenge and a family anighnihilateannihilator. usually these kind of fathers that are very upset about losing custody, they have a beef with an ex-wife or partner, and they go and actually take out their revenge on the family. this guy, however, was angry with the police. and he said that they had branded him as a terrorist and i think he was determined to prove that he was -- that they were right. >> you bring up a very interesting point, and that is that we have been told that although he did have a history of family violence none towards his son. we're talking about a young teenage son in this case that by all accounts we're told that he was, you know, very loving to his son, et cetera. what does that tell you about his state of mind? that clearly, he had anger and violence issues was not towards his child? >> well you have to understand that that's why he felt so indignant and self-righteous about losing custody of his son.

because in his mind probably he split things into good and bad. he may have attacked another family member odds are that it was the mother of his child. he has a history of joking and several assaults just from years ago, almost exactly two years ago. and you know anniversaries can sometimes trigger people. but he probably thinks that judge cooks was completely unjustified in taking the custody -- taking his custody away of his teenage son and giving it to the child's grandmother. he thinks that he's a fit father. and when he lost custody of his son, the disappointment -- he had no coping mechanisms -- was so off the scale that he decided to go all in, go for broke. he just needed a scapegoat. and if the scapegoat -- and we know he's made threats against judges on his facebook page probably judge cooks, so when he couldn't find a scapegoat that he could reach, maybe his ex-partner or the judge, he went to the next best thing, which is going to be the police who were probably responsible for all of those arrests for domestic

violence in 2013. in his mind it got bigger than life. and that self-righteous indignation made him put all of his eggs into that basket. they became the enemy and he hatched an elaborate plan to get this van and all these pipe bombs and all this artillery and really just wreak havoc. i know he didn't plan to live through it but i also think he counted on taking out a lot of cops in the process. and it's just a miracle that nobody lost their life. >> it is a miracle, it is indeed. casey jordan thank you. we'll take a quick break. back in a moment. st of my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ...stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase your risk of infections. some serious infections require hospitalization. before starting stelara® your doctor should test for tuberculosis. stelara® may increase your risk of cancer. always tell your doctor if you have any sign of infection have had cancer,

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we're watching the terrifying aftermath of this incident in dallas overnight, when a gunman with a history of mental illness ambushed the city's police headquarters riddling it with bullets late last night. he planted bombs outside. he led officer ossen as on a car chase through the city. it all ended with a sniper's bullet the gunman dead and his van in flames. let's talk about it with tom mills, a criminal defense attorney in the dallas area. he has worked there for 42 years. tom, i know you work pretty closely with some of the officers there, some of the police officers in that police department in dallas. what are they telling you at this point in time about this shocking ambush? >> well not a lot more than

i've heard on your show earlier. i mean a few details because i'm sure i haven't followed everything that you've said. i heard that he had military grade ammunition that he had 20 pounds of c-4 ammunition. now, keep in mind i'm not positive about these, but this is what i'm told. it didn't sound to me like a professional job, but as some of your commentators have said more of a combination of anger and either psychosis or mental illness or sober illness illness illness or sociopothy. and i can see why it took it out on police. he certainly expressed anger to the judge. but i can see why he in his state can be angry at the police

for blaming them for really creating the evidence that lost him his son. >> well you say "creating the evidence." what do you mean -- >> well i don't mean falsely creating but a lot of the evidence that the other side of the case from the father would have been presenting maybe the grandmother's side would have consisted of police reports, when there was domestic violence. so in every one of those police reports, it would have consisted of police officers going to the scene and then those police officers either testifying in trial or in a deposition or the reports being read. whatever the case was in this particular case. so the evidence was largely from the police. so apparently -- >> understood. >> yeah apparently he had just a tremendous amount of anger at the police. >> thank goodness none of them were injured. i do want to switch gears here because you have been hired as the criminal defense attorney for an officer in texas named

eric casebolt. we're looking at the video of the officer there. this happened at the -- in mckinley, texas, where a group of teenagers were at the pool. police responded to some sort of altercation. he pinned one of the girls down on the ground there. he pulled out his gun, at those two young boys. he has since resigned from the police department. his police chief there saying his actions were indefensible. what is your client saying at this point in time? >> my client has said that this needs to be expanded upon. what is played on the tv on all of the stations this film clip is a portion that makes my client look the worst, possibly that he could, but i believe that the audio that will exist some time and the statements of witnesses and the video that was taken before this clip happened is going to show that his actions were, in fact, reasonable and necessary, and

done professionally under the circumstances. i very strongly disagree with the characterizations that the police chief made about the -- criticizing the action of my client. >> so he believes his actions were an appropriate response? why is that? >> well why is that? because there were fights going on. because people were yelling at people to run away from the police. people were running at him from his right side as though they were -- >> but why did he pull his weapon? >> because two people came at him from the right side i believe, that were adult-sized men and that's the side of his body that his gun was on. >> and criminal charges have not been filed yet. does he believe charges will be filed? he's brought you on for criminal representation. >> well i'm on in case. we don't know if criminal charges are going to be filed.

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more than a week after two convicted killers pulled off a stunning prison break, they are still on the lam, that is

despite a manhunt involving more than 800 law enforcement officers. miguel marquez is with me. he is on the ground. miguel you were in the midst of this active search today. i want you to tell us about it. we're going to roll the video so people can see what you saw. what was it like? >> reporter: we saw some of the most intense searching we've seen so far. hundreds of those 800 law enforcement officers lined up along route 3. we were right in the middle of it. this is about a mile and a half southeast of clinton correctional facility. they moved into the area up into a very hilly and very brushy and overgrown area near the road and this is also the area where they believe they picked up the scent of these two murderers, who were on the run, several days ago. the officers moved up into this area and then they would move to the next road while other officers were moving in from other areas. the part that we saw, literally, must have been 200 to 300 officers about 10 feet apart, moving up into this very very

heavily wooded area. clearly, not taking any chances. still, this area that we have been talking about for the last 48 to 72 hours is the place that they think that these individuals are. there's been no bona fide sightings of them but they have no reason to believe that they are anywhere else but there, and they are pouring everything into it. poppy? >> why do they think that two men are still together? >> because they don't have any information that they are apart. they escaped together. i think that the two, clearly, planned this together. and they presume that they are continuing to be together. they don't really know. i mean given the information that we heard from the press conference last night, it's clear that either they don't know a lot about what's going on or they're not revealing it. poppy? >> stunning something like this has never happened up at that prison. anyone who's escaped has been gone nearly this long. miguel thank you very much. we'll take a quick break and we'll be right back in a minute.

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earlier this week at the clinton global initiative in denver colorado, i sat down with education secretary, arne duncan birchfox co-founder and entrepreneur, and venture for america founder, andrew yang. we talked about how the american workforce is changing and what we need to do to stay ahead. >> let me start with you, secretary duncan. it seems like every city that i go to and i focus a lot on income inequality and poverty in this country in my reporting, and every city i go to i speak to mothers. mothers in bridgeport connecticut. mothers in baltimore. mothers in detroit. and i ask them what they need. and they say, i need better education for my kids. and i know it is an answer that frustrates people. but you just told me 81%, that's the high school graduation rate in this country. is our system moving fast enough

to help the people that need it most? and what's the change that you want to see, to create the opportunity to create the next katia and andrew? >> we're thrilled that our nation has an historic high of graduation rates, 81%. even more pleased that every group of students african-american latino native american asian, white students poor children children with special needs, english language learners everyone is improving, but we are not getting better fast enough. i really do think this income inequality this division in society, between the haves and the have-nots, that's the defining issue that we have to solve. and i think we can only solve that by giving great educational opportunity to every child. and i think that the dividing line in our nation now is less they're around class, they're around education opportunity. give me the poorest kid from a single neighborhood put them in a great early childhood education program. put them in a good elementary and middle school. put them in a high school where they have high expectations and a chance to take ap classes.

that student -- that young person will be just fine. but absent those things we're actually perpetuating poverty and perpetuating social failure. so i think while education has always been critically important, i would argue it's never been more important. what do we need to do to scale? to give every child a chance? i always start with early childhood education. it's the best investment we can make. >> pre-k? >> pre-k. high-quality pre-k. if our babies can enter kindergarten ready to be successful the world changes for them. if they start behind we don't do a great job of catching them up. making sure that children are going to schools with high expectations with great teachers and great principals the chance to be truly college and career ready changes everything. and if they can graduate high school and go on to some form of higher education, they have a real shot in life. but we have to take to scale what does work for children. >> that has to be the most important thing, doesn't it? >> yes. obviously, i'm biased but i think everyone else is far down below that. and just growing up in chicago and working in the inner city on the south side i understood

how powerful education was. but what i also saw was that too many of my friends growing up shot and killed got locked up and the ones where that happened with these tragic outcomes as a young kid, that's very very hard to watch. those are ones that didn't graduate from high school. my friends that graduate from high school didn't have those, so it's bigger than education. we talk about baltimore, we talk about ferguson you can't talk about these big, massive social issues without talking about real educational opportunity, or the lack of that opportunity. >> andrew you have said well your goal issued say, also is to create 100,000 new u.s. jobs, right, by 2025. you think we are training people for careers that existed 20 years ago. do we need something drastic? something dramatic to really shake things up? >> well i believe we do. and as one example, there's a town in michigan where they're testing self-driving cars and they're projected to come online

in 20 years. right now, there are about 900,000 americans that drive cars for a living. and many of them are t no really prepared for different -- >> bus drivers, taxi drivers chauffeurs. >> yeah, so there's a curve coming. this is the first time in recorded history where technological advances actually haven't driven up the average income or the median income. and so our system right now, is in a foot race against technological progress to be able to educate people for the jobs that are coming this year next year 10 20 years from now. >> and so what is your recommendation? what do we need to do? because you say that there is this misconception, that innovation only comes from silicon valley. that we need to look more at these cities that frankly need it most. the detroits the baltimores. >> well the way i learned was that i had a more experienced mentor that i worked for, for a number of years. and i think that apprenticeship really is something that the u.s. needs to bring back. not just in entrepreneurship which is where my organization

bench of america focuses, but really in a variety of different fields. right now part of our educational system is that we have a one size fits all factory model, all the way up including for four-year degrees. and we need to introduce more varied options that lead people to productive careers that don't necessarily involve four years on campus. >> that's what i was going to say. i think it's really interesting that with all of the innovation around us education just looks very similar than it did for our parents and our parents' parents. and what we really are seeing happening, which is truly exciting is that taking risks in sbrepentrepreneurship is bleeding into businesses directly. you see entrepreneurs making a career of disrupting education in and of itself. and that creates the flywheel that andrew is talking about. >> what it takes, though is guts. you say, andrew we don't teach our children to take enough risks. >> entrepreneurship right now in the u.s. is at a 24-year low among 18 to 30-year-olds. i think it's exactly to the point that you're describing

that we're training our young people to be quite risk-averse and failure averse. if you got an "f" and took it home to your parents, i'm sure they wouldn't be hey, that was a great learning experience. and i'm reflecting on this now more that i have a son. i'm trying to play that scene out, and be like oh, i should be pretty understanding. but our system right now, also is very much in the classroom, where many college graduates were fortunate enough to graduate on time which isn't everyone but they haven't had many experiences outside of the classroom, which is in contrast to a place like israel where college graduates have had two or three years in operating environments in military service, and others. and then their appetite for risk is much much higher. if you look at their entrepreneurship statistics they're the highest in the world. >> he brings up israel a lot as an example, and germany, apprenticeship. is that a model we should seriously consider? >> it is a model. more and more high schools are moving this direction, but having a real opportunity to learn from mentors, folks who are in the entrepreneurial space. if you talk to young kids today

in high school they all want to own their own business. they don't want to work for the traditional big firms. so if you want to capture them if you want to continue to increase graduation rates, you have to provide these opportunities. i think the thing that's so important, too, is so many of our kids are so disconnected from this world. if you go to you know south side of chicago, west side or inner city baltimore, there aren't jobs there. there aren't businesses there. and it's hard to imagine, it's hard to dream those dreams when you are so socially disconnected. and so we have to bring the entrepreneurs into the communities. silicon valley is fantastic. what andrew's doing to bring them into detroit and the other places is so desperately important. our kids need mentors, need role models they need those opportunities. >> when we return one of my panelists said there's something we desperately need more of in business, women. we'll discuss. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology

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welcome back. more now from our discussion this week in denver at the clinton global initiative. when it comes to building a successful career becoming an entrepreneur is sometimes a path not taken because, frankly, there are so many risks. but what if leaping into the unknown came with a little bit of help. where's the safety net for that? our society gives out student loans, as it should but where is the safety net for people who take a different risk? >> let's be honest right? today there isn't a safety net. and what students and kids and the youth need to see are examples of success. and they need encouragement from society around them to tell them that there is a new definition around success, and it doesn't mean that the first thing you do with your career is the right thing. and it doesn't mean that

starting a company that fails is a failure. >> i really worry less about the safety net than i would about the lack of opportunity. andrew, how many applicants do you have for how many slots? >> 1,600 for 125. >> kids are looking for these kinds of opportunities. there are wildly more applicants than slots available. i think my worry is less about protecting against failure. i think failure's fine. we need to create more opportunities for young people whether it's to teach, to be entrepreneurs, to serve. we just have to take that to scale. >> i agree, that the ladered ereddered opportunity is the most important piece. we've created a community of aspiring entrepreneurs, so if you do fail you've got dozens of friends you can call up and say, hey, my company didn't work out, i need a job. >> and that's real. >> our company requires a layer of protection and also some parental cover. i joke that if you have an offer from deloitte and some start-up in baltimore, your parents will probably be pretty pro-deloitte.

but if you have deloitte in venture for america, they start thinking and say, do whatever you think is best. the goal is we can make heading to a start-up for a place like in baltimore, detroit, as appealing for young people and their parents as heading to an established firm. >> let's talk about young women. a very important issue when you see who gets money to start businesses. the numbers are staggering. companies led by women that get venture capital funding gets 12% more revenue than male-led companies. this is a statistic from just recently. 400,000 businesses were started by women in 2011 2012 twice as many as men. yet, only 3% of venture capital funding between 2011 and 2013. 3% went to companies with a female ceo. katia, where's the disconnect? >> it comes down to something very similar. right now, a lot of entrepreneurs and a lot of start-ups are really building businesses for themselves. so when women are building companies, often, they're

thinking of themselves as an end consumer. and as we all know women are responsible for most of the purchase decisions in a household. it's a very important consumer to consider. however, if you're building a business geared towards a woman buyer and you are pitching that business to a male investor it is very hard for that to resonate. and you have to learn very quickly, when you're fund-raising to shift from what you would typically do which is walk them through the consumer journey, to quickly talking about the size of the market quickly saying for us for example, beauty is a $500 billion industry and start talking dollars. instead of saying here's a pain point for an individual consumer. which if you are a male starting a company that relates to a male it's just easier to have that dialogue around the true inspiration for the idea. it glosses over a male investor's head when you say something like you know the anxiety a woman feels approach -- a normal woman feels approaching a beauty counter. a male is like uh let me call my wife.

and it really just doesn't resonate. so you have to train women to have those conversations differently. and then you know we have to get more women in the seats, making the decisions around funding and around capital. >> and andrew women have said women identify problems differently than men do. look at some of these incredible female entrepreneurs. we have one of our panel. look at what sarah blakley done at spanx. there are so many more. you have said andrew that women actually have to be better at what they are doing than men, just to get the backing. they have to be better. >> well as you said only 4% of venture capitalists are women. about 20% of angel investors. so if you're a female entrepreneur you have to really educate your investor class much much more than a guy who comes in with a problem that a male investor could relate to. it's not just that. it's a lack of female role models and mentors. it's in some cases, even having less disposable income to start a business in the first place. so there are structural

impediments at every level for female entrepreneurs, that we need to address in order to give rise to the companies that are going to solve problems like katia's and sarah blakley's. >> how do we do that with education? the numbers are pretty depressing when you look at the number of women in s.t.e.m. how do we create an education system where girls stay in s.t.e.m. all the way through and that they are filling this pipeline? >> let me just broaden the challenge and make it more harder. it's not just a female challenge, a girls and women challenge, it's a non-white male challenge. and the lack of diversity of hispanic african-american men and women in s.t.e.m. in venture, on boards is stunning. so we have to be very honest in our nation. we struggle to talk about race. and we have to talk about gender and race here. so it's not a simple answer. the presidents challenge us to attract and recruit 100,000 additional s.t.e.m. teachers that reflect the diversity of our nation's students. and for me it's not just a

great a.p. calculus and physics teachers. it's teachers in third and fourth and fifth grade, who are comfortable and confident with the content knowledge, because that's often where kids start to turn off, because their teachers aren't comfortable teaching that. so we have a whole pipeline problem, that we're working hard to solve, attracting and retaining better teachers at every level, going down to elementary school then making sure young people have access to role models whether they are women or whether they are role models of color, we have to close that divide. >> how do you get the best people to be teachers? >> some places are doing fantastic work. a long way to go. but i look at places like denver right here where we are. i look at places like d.c. where i'm living where you have more and more folks wanting to come and work in these school systems. they have historically struggled and have a long way to go but by ever measure, they are getting better. d.c. is the fastest improving school system. denver's population is growing every single year increasing public confidence. and i think teaching is you know if you want to have an impact oonn the community, if you

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welcome back. more now from our discussion this week indenver. i can tell you, it is about a lot more than just their paycheck. >> here's something that gives me some hope. and that is what millenials want. i'm an old millenial. but i'm a millenial. and there was an really interesting center study.

it says only 15% of the class of 2015 says that they would prefer to work for a large corporation. and 60% said they would rather work for a company that has a positive social atmosphere, even if it means lower pay. to when you talk about these young folks wanting to be teachers it's the sense of wanting to be a deep desire to give back and they are willing to make less money. >> sure they are. as secretary duncan pointed out, we have ten times more applicants than we have spots for. there are all sorts of nonmonetary drivers that millenials can attract them to that will benefit society like teaching or starting a business. >> what is the ship that you've seen in the millenial work force as they've come in. >> well you know i think they come in with a set of priorities that they want to live through their work.

one of our credos is you want a career that reflects your values. so we're looking for companies that are unable to lead an integrated life where it's not able to compartmentalize and try and forget about it. i read this op-ed last week with companies like shinola are doing in detroit. how encouraged are you in some of these cities seeing some of these companies do really quite well rising out of them. >> i think these public private parter in ship is quite an example. you have p-tech out of new york

to give back. this idea of breaking down these silos. having news public, private partnerships. high school, yes. but going into middle school. where you have these pipelines, graduation rates go up drop out rates go down. let's talk about community colleges. i wonder if in this day and age and you need to be training people for? do liberal arts majors really make sense for everyone? >> i'm always going to defend liberal arts.

we need more liberal arts graduates and more folks with careers. i.t. vangsed manufacturing, green energy. community colleges rethink our economic engines in many, many places. they are driving the comedy in the region. so we put billions of dollars to help strengthen these public private partnerships. but some form of education beyond high school. four-year university trade colleges trade vocational technical training. >> does there need to be a perception change so when people say i went to this community college or i went to this vocational school katia is as likely to hire them as if they've graduated from one of our alma maters? >> we actually have some graduates from four-year universities going back to community colleges to get the training they need to get a good paying job. there does need to be a perception shift. let people figure out what their passion is.

>> i think we could benefit in such a major way just by having a rebrand around what it means to have a prestigious education. there's always going to be space for a liberal arts four-year student. and the environment where you learn how to lesh is extremely important. why aren't we pushing them? why isn't there more acceptance. let's just call it what it is. we're getting young, high-en high-energy, exciting people to do things. >> and we're also not incuring

massive debt loads. >> we need to encourage things that don't involve spending time in an environment that will cost tens of thousands of dollars. hopefully, we can implement that cost. >> who doesn't want a smart, eager person training with them? >> we're restricting in congress to more traditional schools, four year, two year. but if you can learn to code and get a $50,000 job, that's a great investment for taxpayers. it's all about creating an economic opportunity. we need to evolve and put our resources behind people that are helping to take that next step. >> check now, top stories now, a man who unleashed a hail of bullets at dallas police

headquarters overnight and also threatened to blow up a van full of explosives. police eventually killed the gunman after he threatened to detonate that van which had been packed with explosives. earlier, i spoke with a dallas judge who said she was threaten previously. >> all i know is when he had a court appearance the security was always heightened in the building. in my courtroom, i had extra security put in place. he was always a threat to us. so we just didn't know what he would do or when he would do it or what was going to happen. >> the suspected gunman spoke to police by phone before he was shot. they say he was angry because they say he took his child away through a custody battle. right now, police as far

away as texas on the look out for two convicted murderers who escaped from a new york prison 18 days ago. joyce mitchell was charged last night. police are investigating mitchell's husband, as well. tonight, it is onto iowa for presidential candidate this afternoon. she's telling the crowd it is time. now is the moment for americans to capitalize on an economic rebound. she says she hz a plan to make that happen. >> you bought our country back. now it's time. your time to secure gains and go ahead. you know what? america can't succeed unless you succeed. that is why i am running for

president of the united states. coming up tonight on cnn, next, the '70s quiz show. watch our anchors take on one another. you have to watch to see. thanks so much for being with me tonight, have a great night. hey, there, welcome to cnn