different than george. my life story is different. this is "new day." good morning everyone. welcome back to your "new day." it is monday june 15th. 8:00 in the east. chris is off this morning. we begin with breaking news for you out of north carolina. two teenagers attacked by sharks 90 minutes apart on the same stretch of beach. both victims a 13-year-old girl and 16-year-old boy suffering serious injuries and losing limbs. >> authorities say the popular beaches remain open. however, they're encouraging people not to go into the water. is enough being done to protect these goers and ease fears? chad meyers is at the cnn center in atlanta. why not close the beach outright untilanswer. you need to find out if it was one shark, a number of sharks it was high tide. it gives any shark or any animal more depth of water. there's thousands of miles of beach up-and-down the east coach

and the gulf of mexico. hundreds of thousands of people were in the water. on that beach there, that's where it turned tragic. a frightening scene at the north carolina beach. two teenage swimmers losing an arm each in separate shark attacks a short time apart. at 4:15 p.m. a 13-year-old girl was attacked first. then less than 90 minutes later, a 16-year-old boy suffers yet another attack. officials are not certain if both attacks were by the same shark. >> went in the water coming over with the whitewash, the kid was in shock. took it clean off. i saw what was left of what he had. >> helicopters air lifting both victims to a local hospital. both critical. >> both of the victims sustained life threatening injuries. >> each having an arm amputated. the 13-year-old girl sustaining

serious damage to her legs. both are out of surgery and in fair condition. >> i've been here 16 years. >> both incident os curing at high tide near ocean crest pier a popular destination for beach goers and fisherman. officials say that the beaches will be open today with the sheriffs department monitoring the coastline. >> it's still a safe place. this is highly unusual. maybe to be more beach oriented tomorrow. don't get in the water until we get a better handle on the situation. >> just to give you an idea here is north myrtle beach, there's north carolina beach, that's where the two attacks occurred this beend. another attack happened right there a couple of weeks ago. i would say stay out of the water, at least this at point, and no swimming with jewelry on all the things they tell you. the higher the tide the deeper the water can be near the shore. >> thank you for the information. now to our other top story. the manhunt for two escaped

convicts in new york picking up steam on day ten. 800 members of law enforcement looking for richard matt and david sweat. the prison worker who allegedlied helped the inmates will appear in court half hour from now. we begin our coverage in morrissonville new york. how is the search this morning? >> it continues to press on. behind me one of several officers really hundreds of officers that continue searching for david sweat and richard matt. when you step back and take a close look at the numbers, you can see just a skill of resources that are truly being put into this and being devoted to the manhunt here. at least 800 law enforcement from the state, local, and federal level following up on at least 870 leads so far, and what has to be disheartening for the men and women that are searching through the dense woods and standing in the rain is the latest update coming from new york governor andrew cuomo. we heard the one yesterday. he's addressing likely the

reality they may not be in the country anymore. >> we don't know if they are still in the immediate area or if they are in mexico by now. enough time has transpired but we're following up every lead the best we can. >> the search moves on. it is interesting he mentions mexico. here over the weekend you'll see we obtained a document that was issued to law enforcement agencies along the southwest border. officers being told that one of the two richard matt has ties to the u.s.-mexico border mainly in south texas and even has connections that would allow him to smuggle into mexico. that's a real concern now as the search extends from mexico to canada and, of course here to upstate new york where the weather conditions are not cooperating. this is becoming a true test for law enforcement. >> they're going to have to cast a wide net. the prison worker who allegedly aided the two

fugitives in their escape is due in the courtroom at the bottom of the hour. new details are emerging about the role she's accused of playing in this plot. cnn sara is live at the courthouse in platsburg, new york. >> good morning. yes, joyce mitchell a prison seam stress expected to be here momentarily arriving at the courthouse for a hearing, a pretty routine hearing on the charges at the bottom of the hour. charges she brought things like hacksaw blades, chisels, lighted goggles to help the men cut their way out of the prison facility. new details coming from the district attorney who talked to me over the weekend. he said he believes these two prisoners likely rehearsed their escape in the middle of the night leading up to the breakout they would climb into the walls and plan out their route. he also told me that before joyce mitchell was arrested she talked to authorities about what the plan was going to be according to what her knowledge

was. that she was to meet them in the middle of the night and drive them to an undisclosed location that was at least a 7 hour drive from new york. that's what the district attorney told me. he also said several officials, actually have said she had a relationship a friendship with both of them. joyce mitchell said to authorities that richard matt made her feel special. but ultimately she got cold feet and didn't go through with this. listen to what the district attorney told me about why. >> one of the reasons she didn't show up was because, you know, she did love her husband, and she didn't want to do this to him. >> now over the weekend, joyce mitchell was moved from the clinton county jail here to another jail in a neighboring county about two hours away. the sheriff telling cnn he simply didn't want her to be a distractions during the manhunt, of course, she's expected here in court today. allison? >> okay sara.

"new day" will be covering her first court appearance. that's in about 25 minutes. stick around for that. right now we're going to get insights from someone who did time at the clinton correctional facility. he worked also at the same tailor shop at the two escaped inmates. he works with the fortunate society which helps former prisoners reenter society. i know you want to be called kaz. thank you for being here. how much time did you do at the clinton correctional facility? >> between a year and year and a half. >> you were there for drug and weapons charges? >> i was. >> how did you -- how did you consider the security there? was it lax, as we have recently begun to hear they have gotten complacent there because they haven't had had a escape in 100 years? >> it's a maximum security prison in any case. however, there are times when the security can be lax. people are, you know, just human beings and there are other people considering the possibilities for the escape

all they did is consider it. >> so you worked in the same tailor shop. did you know joyce mitchell? >> no. i initially thought i did but she came about a year after i left. >> what is that experience like when prisoners are allowed to work in the shop. are you supervised all the time or a pretty free experience where you're allowed to interact with the civilian workers? >> the inmates are basically supervised. it is kind of lax from my experience. as i said it is lax so you can interact with the civilians. >> what does that mean? the person the guard who is supposed to be supervising you turns a blind eye? >> i wouldn't say the guard turns a blind eye or anything like that. however, i would say that the guard is not overly security conscious due to, you know everyday routine and the mo

knotty of the situation where nothing is happening day after day. the same routine day after day. people get kind of relaxed. >> we heard that. they get complacent because you think it is a maximum security prison. they haven't had a escape in over 100 years. you don't have to be on top of it. in your experience were there relationships, romantic or otherwise, between the workers in the prison and the inmates? in my experience i didn't see any of that. >> does it surprise you this woman joyce mitchell reportedly had a relationship with at least one of the guys? >> i can't say it surprises me. i've heard of it many times over the years, and almost every facility that i've been to but clinton correction facility is a little bit different. it has a reputation of being rougher, et. cetera et. cetera. it doesn't necessarily change the environment inside. i understand, you know very scared because the escaped

convicts rightly so. if i was in a community i would be concerned myself. but i think that if i may say, i think this society is in a position to do something about this. >> meaning what? >> meaning that thousands of people are being released annually and they're not being released properly. they're not being prepared. there are people that are released from solitary confinement directly no mental health counselling, no employment services none of that. what we're doing in essence is building a wheel, as we know goes around and around. >> you're saying even when people are released never mind escaped there needs to be more of a transition to get them back into regular life. >> absolutely. what society is doing in an essence is reincarcerating them. they're not preparing them. they're not giving them anything that can help them when they get out to stay out. >> one thing you said when one

of the inmates acts up or escapes it is taken out in some ways on the rest of the prisoners. what do you think is happening inside that prison today as a result of this? >> i read in an article about initially a father communicated to his daughter initially they were kind of rough and it kind of settled down. that sounds about right. i think they're in lock down for sure and probably will be that way for awhile. >> thank you so much your insight what it going on inside there. thank you for the work you're doing with former prisoners. >> thank you for having me. we turn to dallas we're learning more about the attacker who unleashed a barrage of gunfire and planted explosives outside dallas police headquarters over the weekend. james boulware's parents say he reached his breaking point art a bitter custody battle blaming police for taking his son away. cnn nick valencia is live in dallas. >> good morning investigators spent the weekend digitally mapping the crime scene trying to figure out how it played out.

this is the spot where 35-year-old boulware carried out his attack on police. he's a man with a troubled history. a history haunted by mental health issues. we spoke to his mother who spoke to us about the struggles her son was going through and past run ins with police and how that could have lead to what happened here on saturday morning. >> the charges were totally dropped in january of -- i believe it was january 7th or 8th of 2013 and so he got his guns back from the paris police department and that's when i began to be afraid. >> investigators are working toward figuring out whether or not those assault weapons were the ones used in saturday morning's attack. meanwhile, 14 dallas police officers have been put on administrative leave. that of course is standard operating procedures after being involved in an incident like this. many thankful to be alive. so many close calls literally

bullets dodged by the officers. we took a look at the squad cars that was initially engaged by the suspect, two police officers inside. it is a miracle they got out. today a medical examiner will continue their autopsy and try to learn more details about james boulware. >> it is a miracle. it could have been so much worse. thanks so much for that. there's a new report revealing information about the police shooting of 12-year-old tamir rice. among the most compelling details that rice was alert and speaking after being shot and that he reached for an officer's hand in his final moments. cnn martin savage joins us live from cleveland. what have we learned? >> good morning. this is the independent investigation done by the sheriff's department looking into the cleveland police shooting of tamir rice. what makes this report so crucial is that it is essentially going to be the backbone of the case that the prosecutor takes to a grand jury. no witnesses interviewed by investigators say they heard police shout anything to

12-year-old tamir rice before they shot him. police have said they ordered rice three times to show his hands. the police operator that took the 9-1-1 call failed to pass on that rice could be a juvenile and his gun probably fake. when investigators asked why, she refused to answer. rookie officer timothy lovan was 4 1/2 feet away. they thought rice was a teenager or in his 20s. the medical examiner listed him as 5'7"195 pounds. as for the pellet gun, the investigation found rice had traded a cell phone with a friend for it. the orange ring that identified the gun as not real was removed during a repair. the report also include a number of key witness testimonies. the most powerful is an fbi agent who is trained paramedic who shows up here on the scene less than 4 minutes after rice has been shot. he says that both the officers

appeared to be kind of shell shocked. that they look as if they want to do something to help but don't know what to do. they had no first aid training. they didn't have a first aid kit. with nothing more than a pair of rubber gloves the fbi agent frantically tries to save rice' life. a number of witnesses say the officer was distraught and told another officer, quote, he gave me no choice. he reached for the gun. there was nothing i could do. it is worth noting what is not in the report. for instance the two officers that first responded including the one that shot tamir, they declined to be interviewed. it is their fifth amendment right. as did tamir rice's family. also not in the pages, any specific conclusion as whether the shooting was justified or not. >> hard to relive that. especially when you keep in mind the fact this is a 12-year-old child. all right. thank you for that. well, we have known this for some time. today it becomes official jeb

bush is expected to announce his bid for a white house run. cnn is live in miami where the former florida governor will launch that camp. >> good morning. jeb bush will be launching his campaign from here from the campus of the largest college in the country. this announcement comes after months of talk about his white house ambitions as well as after he spent a week on a european tour. now his campaign logo just revealed in a series of preannouncement videos that were released by his campaign. the videos also revealed his logo which consists of jeb followed by an exclamation point. there is no mention of the bush last name. he has made it clear that he plans to distinguish himself from not only his brother, but also from the other candidates in this race. here is what he had to say he has to offer. >> i'm proud of what we accomplished in florida. proud we were able to make a

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getting used to for me personally to show my heart. i'm kind of introverted >>well that was republican jeb bush telling cnn he's learning to show his heart to americans ahead of his expected announcement today. can the former florida governor stand out from the ever-growing

pack? let's turn to our cnn political commentators. and anna no very row is a jeb bush friend and supporter. hello to both of you. anna today is the big day. how will jeb distinguish himself? >> i think he's going to talk about the things that he did as governor his accomplishments. it's one of the things that governors bring to the table the folks that are running that are governors, and opposition to some of the senators or folks who actually haven't achieved anything. may talk pretty but haven't done anything. i think jeb will talk about some of that. i think you'll hear some testimonials. you'll hear in the videos from people whose lives he touched when he was governor. whose lives he made a difference in. i think you're going to hear some optimism from him, and an agenda. he's going to show his heart. he's right, it's not something that is easy for him.

he's supposed not to brag. that's what barbara bush instilled in him. i think he's going to do that. try to be the human jeb bush. talk about compassion. >> paul we've had a sneak peek of the new lowgo which is a retrospective logo with an exclamation point there. jeb! 2016. just because it doesn't say you are a bush doesn't mean you're not a bush. >> what was interesting to me first off on the logo the explanation, point, i think is premature. one of the e moe jis of somebody yauning. he's not set the world on fire. i'm not entirely sure it's the last name. i would have told you a month ago, yeah, the fact that his brother was the worst president in history it hurts him.

in the last cnn poll it had not. jeb lost a fourth of his support. >> it's even worst than what you're saying. let me put up the latest cnn poll. if you look from december he's gone down from 23% now 13%. so go on. >> and this is happening while big brother, oddly, to me is moving up in the polls. george w. bush was at 52 -- his highest rating in ten years. you can't blame the big brother. some don't love jeb. anna can explain it. republicans nominate the jeb-like candidate. the oldest white guy with the most money. that's jeb. let's give it to him. >> anna what is it? how do you explain the falling poll numbers? >> look i think there's a few things that have happened. first of all, when jeb first announced back in december he was the first one to say i'm agressgressively exploring. that's been going on for six

months. in the meantime there's been ten other candidates who have announced. most of them have had a surge as they announced. the campaign has started in earnest. folks have been traveling around the country, and you've got -- let's look at the numbers, too. i mean you've got the frontrunner where there is no frontrunner who is 10 11 12% in the polls? so folks you've got ten people running. jeb is going to make it 11 now. of course that's not the case in the democratic party because there is one hillary clinton and then a couple of other, you know folks that are trying to be real candidates and bernie sanders is making a run for it but everybody knows she is the anointed one. >> let's talk about the democratic side and hillary had her official campaign rally over the weekend talking about her mom, addressing her age. let's listen to a little sound. >> i may not be the youngest candidate in this race but i

will be the youngest woman president in the history of the united states! >> to rock praise and applause. how did she do on the first official campaign rally. did she sell herself the way you thought she would? >> in contrast to the last time. i love her. but the last time she ran, she kept it a secret. you would have never known she was a girl. it was like totally hidden. this is the authentic hillary. she's always been an advocate for women's rights. especially working moms. when i met her she was a normal person. working mom working full-time and raising her daughter. the fact she's so comfortable in asserting her leadership on issues affecting women and girls in full equal society. if voters don't like it that's okay. but that's who she really is.

>> 2008 we had the inauthentic hillary. >> that's why she lost. >> you can choose one or the other. i thought that was a great part of the speech. i liked her speaking about her mother. i think it humanized her which was a good thing. for the rest of the speech she sounded like a robot. i have gotten more emotion out of siri on my iphone than i did from listening to a 46 minute speech. for awhile i thought it might be like a fidel castro speech give him a mic and it goes on for hours and hours. >> can you believe she's not taking this act on the road? 511 days for these wonderful nuggets of comedy and punchlines. >> anna paul it's great. we'll look forward to the next one. >> thank you. we're watching the clock here. joyce mitchell is getting ready to face a judge after being charged with helping two murders break out of prison in upstate

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we have breaking news about the prison worker charged with helping two murders escape their prison cells. joyce mitchell is said to appear in court this morning a little later than planned. sara guenin is live with more. i understand she's arrived. what do we know on the latest on the court hearing? >> good morning, mikala. joyce mitchell arrived a few minutes ago. when she got here however, she learned that she no longer has the attorney she had on friday when she was arrested. keith bruno recauseused himself due to a conflict with a previous case. he was a court-appointed attorney. the court appointed her a new case. the court granted him about 45 minutes to meet with joyce to learn more about the case and the hearing is now expected to start around 9:0015 in the

morning. we got conformation from the governor's office. the governor is going to launch an investigation how the prison escape happened. whether or not any rules or laws were broken in addition to the allegations of joyce mitchell. over the weekend, the district attorney telling us the same thing they believe that it is possible that these two inmates were able to manipulate one person joyce mitchell but they may have been able to manipulate more people and had more help inside the prison. of course this morning joyce mitchell here on charges she brought them contraband mainly these are tools that police believe they used to help break out of the jail through walls and tunnels and later emerging in the town and the street before escaping. that's really frankly, the latest we have this morning as we await this hearing hopefully to learn more. back to you, allison. >> sara keep us posted on the

tiling. we want to bring in our cnn commentator and analyst mel robins. >> good morning. >> so 45 minutes from now, basically she only gets 45 minutes to meet with her new court-apointpointed in attorney. what is joyce mitchell facing in court today? >> she's facing a total of eight years in prison. she's got two different charges, allison. one of them has to do with criminal solicitation and that is the aiding and abetting charge in the escape and the other is a misdemeanor of smuggling in contraband into the prison they used to escape. a judge could run charges concurrently meaning backing them up one to the other. most of us believe she's facing a sum total of seven years in prison and she never see fully seven years. she doesn't have a criminal record. she's probably looking more like two and a half years in prison if he ends up being a guilty plea. >> the fact she was out for a

week while they were questioning her and then authorities arrested her on friday and put her behind bars what does that tell us? she stopped cooperating? they got everything they needed? >> well, you know, we can speculate a lot. it could mean what you just said she stopped cooperating. it could mean that the information she had wasn't exact they are valuable. i mean she claims she doesn't know where the guys are now. that she only knew where she was going to pick them up and they were going to go to her house and kill her husband and head off seven hours but didn't know where they were going. so they may have found that while she was singing like a canary the song she was singing wasn't exactly the tune that was going to help them find these guys. it could also be allison, that they felt she had more information and that she wasn't actually being all that cooperative with everything that she knew and that one of the tactics that the police often use and the district attorneys use they turn up the heat on somebody once they're out and

they bring charges and put somebody in jail as a means to get them to talk. so i don't know whether it means she gave information that, you know she was done it wasn't going anywhere any further or they wanted to apply for more pressure and get her behind bars and see if she had something else she had not previously disclosed. >> you mentioned killing her husband. there's one report from the local newspaper, i believe it was the "times union" that might have been part of the plot. we haven't been able to confirm it yet. she said she got cold feet and changed her mind and decided she loved her husband. this is a crazy story that she would get so wrapped up with these cold-blooded killers. >> it is a crazy story, but interestingly, i was at a family function a pig roast in upstate new york and among the crowd that was there, we have a prison guard from

guard, lots of cattle farmers, and police officers. most of the men, when you talk about this basically roll their eyes at joyce mitchell and say lock her up for seven years. this is disgusting. she new better. most of the women say this poor lady not that anybody is supporting somebody helping a bunch of murders get out of prison but a lot of women feel like she was taken advantage of. these are cold-blooded killers. they are conning. they are silver tongued. all you have to do is show up at a prison allison, on any saturday and you'll see a flock of people there that have fallen in love with prisoners through simply letters that they're penning back and forth. i'm not exactly surprised if you've got a 51-year-old woman going through a midlife crisis you've got two cold-blooded killers who are manipulating the heck out of her, making her think that she matters, making her think that they love her and they care for her that she might just fall for it. it doesn't excuse what she did.

it just explains how somebody could become a pawn in a much larger foil. >> we see it. we see it from time to time. it happens more often than you know but it is still shocking when it happens. mel robins thank you so much for the insight. we'll check back with you. >> you got it. the president of spokane, washington ncaap chapter facing pressure to speak out about her race and identity. what can she say to save her reputation. has the bizarre controversy undermined her work? listen up team i brought in some protein to help rearrange the fridge and get us energized! i'm new ensure active high protein. i help you recharge with nutritious energy and strength to keep you active. come on pear it's only a half gallon. i'll take that. yeeeeeah! new ensure active high protein. 16 grams of protein and 23 vitamins and minerals. all in 160 calories.

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all right here we go the five things to know for the "new day" monday. the court appearance for joyce mitchell has been delayed until about 9:15 today. she's facing felony charges for allegedly helping two murders escape a new york prison. there are more than 800 law enforcement officials involved in the search for richard matt and david sweat currently. a pair of teens attacked by sharks in separate attacks. the attacks taking place within

90 minutes of each other on sunday in the same stretch of beach in north carolina. the parents of the attacker who opened fire and planted explosives outside dallas police headquarters are now speaking out. james boulware's father telling cnn his son hit his breaking point after losing a custody battle. today jeb bush making his 2016 campaign official with an announcement at miami-dade college that he's joining the republican race for president. he becomes the 11th declared gop candidate. and the golden state warrior warriors are a win away from the nba title. taking 3-2 lead in the finals. game six tomorrow night in cleveland. for more on the five things to know be sure to visit new newday.com. >> thank you so much. growing calls for the president of spokane's ncaap to

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dolezal portrayed herself as she's foreign ministerafrican-american. we can see rachel dolezal as a young girl on the left. you can see her as she lives on the right. we want to discuss with cnn political commentator charles below. thins happened over the weekend. we have to talk to you about this. we know of her she's a professor of african-american studies at eastern western university. she went to a predominantly black university on full citizenship. her family is diverse. she has four adopted siblings who are black. there's something going on here. >> right. right. >> what do you think it is? >> we don't know exactly. >> there's something more to this. >> it is more to this. it's on a personal level between her and her family kind of a psychological issue. >> you think there's a psychological issue? >> i'm not saying a psychological problem but there's something psych psychologically happening within her making her want to identity

with a race that is not her own. the construction of race in america and the world and race in general and i think that a lot of what i have read and kind of watched on social media has played into a very dangerous narrative about what race is. race has no biological grounding whatsoever. this idea of some professors online and in stories are calling this idea of biological determinism as it relates to race is a very dangerous thing, because that's the very kind of foundation of structure racism. that there is something inherit genetic about you that makes you a particular race white or black or whatever. in fact that is not the case. there is no biological basis for that. what we have is we identify people racially because of the way they look because we as human beings have lived in different parts of this planet

and therefore we have adapted to different ways because of where we live on the planet, and culture grew up around this kind of social construct of race and so you can look at different people who look a certain way and a lot of times people were because of this construct you were not allowed to intermarry when the laws existed in the u.s. people passed along racial looking characteristics so we developed kind of cultures around the idea of privileged or oppression. therefore, what is blackness in america is very much a part of resilience resilience. it is the dealing with the oppression. it is a lot of the foods. we were kept at slaves and you starved to death. you learned to cook a certain way. >> it's not something you can put on as a costume and act.

>> people in parts of the world use a lot of spices. some people believe the spice usage because it kills bacteria. you develop the things not necessarily because it is genetic difference. it is because your culture grows up around the social construct. >> that's a big conversation. you're not kidding. she might be sort of creating -- helping to define the discussion about what is black nowadays. i want to go back to her family. it seems as though something stems from her relationship with her parents. she's estranged from her parents. they're speaking out this morning. one of the things they said she has often fudged who she is. she had claimed at one time she was born in a tepee. she had to use bows and arrows to hunt for food as a child. she lived in south africa. she said none of these things are true. it seems as she was -- here let me play you a moment of what they said about who she is. >> sure.

>> we taught our children as we raised all six of them tell the truth. always be honest and so we weren't going to lie. we told the truth. >> that's why they say they're speaking out now. it seems -- back to your original point. something psychological is happening with her relationship that started this. >> right. who knows what is happening with her and those parents. they have to speak to that. i can't speak to that. however, there's a long history of kind of racial passing and appropriation in this country, and there is a real psychological toll that takes on a person because you have -- it is built on a massive deception. you have to estrange yourself from family and from relationships and all of your upbringing in order to make it real. there are even stories she was somehow playing watch guard against other white people who might want to advocate on the part of african-americans, and

that's a common phenomena among people because they see that as an insulation group against people questioning them. >> right. >> i want to ask you about the work she's done. she's been an advocate for some time. she's been part of black lives matter. she's been advocating in that area. why could she said i am white but i identify with my siblings that are african-american but i believe in the struggle. >> you could say that. i think it adds to your credibility to say -- to do it that way. i want to say that, you know you have to separate a person's work and their talents from this idea of deception. >> can you here? >> i think you can always do it. there have been incredibly talented journalists who passed. there have been incredibley talented actors and actresses. and i think that you can be

talented and you can also be incredibly deceptive because it is the only way it works. >> right. >> charles below welow we could have the conversation in depth. thank you. >> thank you. a 75-year-old about to be hauled off to jail. you won't believe why. can the good stuff save her? that's the question? >> excellent tease! >> find out ahead. ♪ ♪ (vo) you can pass down a subaru forester. (dad) she's all yours. (vo) but you get to keep the memories. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru.

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shall we good stuff, my dear? here we go four brothers from texas jumped in to help after an elderly woman was threatened with arrest for her lawn? >> you are commanded to personally appear at 9:30 a.m. >> all right. that was 75-year-old gerry subtle. she got the summons after not mowing her lawn because she can't. the four reynolds brothers and they did. getting her lawn up to code. strangely, gerri got another summons. no one is sure why. the brothers say it is not a big deal. >> the second time i'll do it a third time.

anything to let that 75-year-old woman let the city leave her alone. >> these are my favorite young men in the world right now. the brothers gesture left her speechless but she has plenty of words for the judge when she appears in court tomorrow. take it easy remember. it's wonderful that neighbors are helping neighbors. >> i love those boys. they're wonderful. time for newsroom with carol costello. >> good morning. i would say happy monday but i find that -- >> exactly. >> yeah. but anyway happy monday. have a great day! newsroom starts now. happening now a prison worker behind bars this morning. the two convicted killer she alleged helped escape still free. >> we don't know if they are still in the immediate area or if they are in mexico. >> new details about the abandoned get away plan and whether these two dangerous criminals had a plan