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leader is dead. he learned at the hands of osama bin laden. what could it mean for the u.s. and american security? a prison seamstress may not be the only alleged accomplice put behind bars. escaped killers she befriended on the run for a tenth day. no apology. local naacp president rachel dolezal resigns but offering no explanation about her parents' claim she's white, not african-american. we'll get the first reaction from the national leader of the naacp. and a bush exclusive as jeb jumps into the crowded republican presidential race. his son is talking to cnn about his father and the shadow of their famous family. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off. i'm brianna keilar. you're in "the situation room." breaking news. al qaeda's most dangerous affiliate may have suffered a deadly blow. we're told the u.s. government is now looking into new claims
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out of yemen that the leader of aqap has been killed reportedly by a u.s. drone strike. stand by for new details on that. also breaking a new court appearance by the prison worker accused of helping two cold-blooded killers escape. a local prosecutor is warning that more possible accomplices may be arrested. tonight, those very dangerous fugitives are on the loose for a tenth day. despite a massive international manhunt and 1,000 leads. we have correspondents analysts and newsmakers standing by as we cover all the news breaking right now. we go first to our pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. she has more on that al qaeda leader's reported death. barbara, what's going on? >> good evening, briana. at this hour a u.s. intelligence official tells cnn, and let me quote specifically "we are looking to confirm the death of nasser al wahashi," the leader of al qaeda in yemen. the most dangerous affiliate of al qaeda by u.s. intelligence
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estimates. the affiliate that has tried to put explosives on u.s. aircraft. they are said to be responsible for the 2009 attempted underwear bombing, the attempt to use printer cartridges on airplanes to hide bombs, a number of events that this affiliate has been behind. the fact that the u.s. intelligence community says tonight they are looking to verify his death, you can take away from that that there may well have been a u.s. strike against what they believe a location was where he was at. to be clear, that is not being confirmed by the united states. but at least two yemeni security over fishes are telling cnn they believe he is dead from a suspected u.s. drone strike. the u.s. not willing to go that far, not willing to say more than they are looking into these reports of his death. but briana if wahashi is dead this is the third major kill if
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you will of a major terrorist operative at the hands of the united states. it was just this weekend we learned the u.s. believes it was successful in an f-15 strike against muk daughter almuktar al muktar. a man that went by the name of abu sayyaf. what is going on u.s. officials say? none of these events are linked in particular but they say it is hard work, u.s. intelligence technical means to eavesdrop or watch these people, and a bit of luck, a few tips along the way about where they may be located. >> barbara starr at the pentagon thank you. there's a new u.s. strategy to take on isis and it comes from the iraq war playbook. sunni tribe hot helped beat back al qaeda forces in western iraq could play a key role in pushing
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isis out of the same region. ken cnn chief national security correspondent jim sciutto is working this story for us. >> u.s. officials have been talking about this for months in fact. getting those sunni tribes involved in the fight against isis to broaden the fight away from the shia-dominated government. now wearing told it's going to begin as soon as this week that some of those sunni tribes are going to get equipped armed by the u.s. and advised and get on the battlefield. it's part of a broader plan to bring in groups on the ground iraqis kurds, sunnis backed up by u.s. air power, a strategy that to date has had mixed success. kurdish fighters advancing toward a strategic isis-controlled border crossing in northern syria. a local fighting force backed by western arms and aid making a rare success against the terror group. >> in northern syria as we speak, the kurds with arab free syrian army fighters and christian organized units, they're really giving a beating to isis. >> reporter: this is the u.s.
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model on both sides of the border. >> all the way from here -- >> reporter: with u.s. troops training iraqi forces now plans in motion to train and arm iraq's sunni tribes to take on isis. >> i just got off the phone with some of our commanders in the field. now that we're working with the tribal committee in anbar, we're going to see over the next week soon new tribal fighters coming in to get equipped to get into the fight. >> reporter: the obama administration is repeating a model president bush used in the iraq war during the so-called sunni awakening, when u.s. arms and money helped turn many of the same sunni tribes into allies against isis' predecessor al qaeda in iraq. the difference then, the tribes were backed by tens of thousands of u.s. combat forces. today they're backed only by hundreds of trainers and advisers with no combat role. small numbers also a threat to the safety of the u.s. trainers themselves. >> when you bring forces out, that far out in front, what you're doing is you're getting them as close to the front line as you possibly can without
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actually stepping onto the front line. it's a very risky strategy. >> reporter: as part of a broader reorganization u.s. intelligence is reworking its strategy as well. the cia merging its operations analysts and cyber experts into single mission centers to fight threats, including isis. the isis threat so broad that no fewer than five of ten new cia mission centers are working on battling the terror group. here are some of the mission centers involved in that fight against isis from the cia. middle east africa europe eurasia, a proliferation group, speaking to the proliferation of nuclear materials, counter terror. that's six right there. just shows how broad that threat is, both geographically and in terms of capability from isis. how the cia and others are taking it on. >> jim sciutto, thank forth your report. i want to get more on this breaking news, the dead of the leader of aqap reportedly
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killed by u.s. drone strike. we have peter bergen here with us and former cia counterterrorism official and cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mud. phil it's interesting to note here with yemen, the u.s. has no ground presence. there have been these intelligence challenges to say the least in figuring out what's going on there. but with this successful strike does this tell us that u.s. intel is getting better there? >> i wouldn't say it's getting better but you have to remember we've been on the ground there more than a decade after 9/11. you look at places where the u.s. does not have a significant intelligence presence, that is is, the tribal areas in western pakistan somalia. those places have been -- the locations are very successful drone strikes. it's harder to operate in geographic spaces where you don't have a local partner, because in the case of yemen, for example, as you're suggesting the embassy is closed. but there's still a lot of intelligence you can collect against a target especially if you've been collecting on it for more than a decade as is the case with the fellow who was
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reportedly killed in yemen. >> what does this death mean for aqap? >> well one particular leader being killed isn't transformative. but this is part of a campaign in which about 30 leaders of this group are being killed by drone strikes in the last several years. and so accumulatively over time that does take a toll. but they've already appointed -- the number two's already stepped into this guy's shoes. >> that's their way of saying you didn't wipe out our leadership our ability, right? >> right. and we see -- look the leader of al qaeda in iraq abu mussab al zarqawi, was killed in air strike by the united states in 2006. he led the parent organization of isis. isis has grown in strength since he was killed. so you know. it can make a difference but these things are not transformative. >> okay. i wonder phil how big of a get is this? the death muktar al muktar how
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much does this matter? >> i agree with peter. there's two ways to look at this. if you want to look at the pace of operations over time you've got to kill these people time and time and time again. because the number two is going to assume the position quickly and if you allow him to stay in position over the course of say a year or two or three years, they'll gain the respect and experience to be able to stage operations. that said you're talking about people muktar in north africa these people are irreplaceable in the organization regardless of whether the number two steps in. you're talking about people who have been around for decades. they have respect not only in their region of operations but they have direct connection with the al qaeda core organization in pakistan. there are not people like this who can step into position. so if we maintain pace of operations and keep killing them these people are irreplaceable. >> okay so he says they're irreplaceable.
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but i wonder if there's also a bigger issue in that muktar al muktar was at what seemed to be a meeting of isis in al qaeda perhaps to broker a truce because they've been at each other's necks. when you look at that meeting, peter, do you say, okay maybe these guys are going to start getting along, and this will pose an even bigger problem for the u.s.? or do you think they're not going to get along? >> i mean freud has the term the narcissism of minor differences. they hate each other at the leadership level so we don't -- this is one report they may have been trying to broker some deal in libya. if they brokered a deal it would be a big problem. because isis and al qaeda control two-thirds of syria right now. if they actually got together. right now they're fighting each other in syria. that would be very problematic. i'm not convinced that's going to happen. the differences are big. end of the day, isis is saying i'm the top global jihadi dog. al qaeda isn't going to accept
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that. >> peter bergen phil mud, thank you to both of you. great insight on this string of u.s. successes here. just ahead, we are learning what prison worker joyce mitchell is doing behind bars along with new details about her alleged role in the escape of two brutal killers. will rachel dolezal's resignation as a local naacp leader calm the controversy after her parents outed her as being white and not black? i'll be getting the first reaction from the national naacp president, cornell williams brooks standing by to talk with us. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets.
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alleged prison escape accomplice joyce mitchell unless a tiny cell monitored around the clock after a new court appearance. there are questions whether she might try to kill herself, although we're told she's not necessarily on suicide watch right now. we're learning more about her relationship with the fugitives who are on the lam for a tenth day now. cnn's alexandra field is in upstate new york with the latest, alexandra? >> reporter: hey, there. she is being closely watched in jail and all eyes were on her in the courtroom today when she made her first appearance since pleading not guilty. investigators have said joyce mitchell has been helpful, filling in details on a plan she
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didn't follow through on. but it's likely she wouldn't know anything about whatever plan b was. >> $100,000 cash -- >> reporter: joyce mitchell in court today wearing a prison jumpsuit and a bullet-proof vest hands shackled to her waist. the former prison seamstress remains behind bars. a sheriff telling cnn's miguel marquez she's being closely monitored 24 hours a day in a six by nine-foot cell her every foot documented. mitchell accused of giving the convicted killers some of the tools they needed to make their escape including hacksaw blades and chisels. she's pleaded not guilty. tonight there are new questions about the alleged escape plan and mitchell's relationship with the suspects. >> they had been working on cutting the backs of the cell walls out, going down into the tunnel system of the facility and working their escape plan. so i think she was relatively involved. >> reporter: clinton county district attorney andrew wily
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says mitchell told authorities the plan was to meet the two men and drive seven hours. but she says they never told her where they were going. she says she got cold feet. mitchell was previously investigated for an inappropriate relationship with david sweat, but no evidence was found. the nationwide search continues for the fugitives. the bratsn escape now the subject of a state investigation ordered by new york governor andrew cuomo. >> we don't know if they are still in the immediate area or if they are in mexico by now. >> reporter: more than 800 law enforcement officers are tracking hundreds of tips. at this point, you can still see the search continuing in this area. officers stopping every car as they pass searching each vehicle. you did hear the governor say these two fugitives could be almost anywhere. that said the district attorney has said there have been no break-ins or burglaries in this area that would necessarily
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connect the fugitives to this area which only suggests that if they are in the area they have found some way to get the resources they would need. >> alexandra field, thank you, west platsburgh new york. i want to bring in cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes, a former fbi assistant director. matt horace former atf special agent in charge he's a security expert. matthew falk retired chief deputy u.s. marshal. tom, you heard governor cuomo, he could be anywhere heck be in mexico. where does that leave authorities as they search for these guys? >> searching from here to mexico. i think that they were going by the leads of the dogs finding the scent a couple of days ago, the candy wrappers. now they're looking at the possibility that maybe they were long gone and the dogs hit on the wrappers from the prison because half the county probably works in that prison brings candy out, throws wrappers away. possibly the dogs did hit on the
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scent coming from the prison and they're long gone. so they just don't know and they can't rule it out is the other problem. even though it still looks like they might be close, they should be close, they probably didn't get far, but they might have. >> you think they got far or they're still in the area? >> it's two ways to be honest with you. >> you just can't tell. >> i believe there's the possibility they got a place somewhere, hunkered down where somebody had all the provisions for them and told them not to go nowhere for 30 days or so or they could be in canada or mexico. >> that would mean there would have been other help in addition to joyce mitchell. it seems maybe she didn't know about that. you have prosecutors saying they can't rule out if others were involved? >> you're absolutely right. remember we have four elements of our current condition and all of them fall right back to mrs. mitchell. first, we have the planning and the execution. secondly we have the issue of the security breach with all those policies and procedures that exist in government how did that happen? who was involved? and who helped to facilitate it?
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next the breakout. the breakout was a success because they're still not in custody. we have the escape. we still don't know whether mrs. mitchell's story is actually a plan b or a plan c and she was being left out in the dark or if the escape went awry. >> it sounds like she had some sort of agreement to take them somewhere seven hours away somewhere, it doesn't sound like the details were that great. and so there could be this whole other story that we are not privy to at this point? >> i just think that the prisons would have told her something totally different, knowing the authorities would be talking to her. they were smart enough to understand that saying if we get out of this place she's the first person they're going to is center her attention to let's tell her something, make her believe this is what we're going to do but we're not going to do that at all. >> bringing small tools to them drill bits hacksaw. they went through steel plating and thick walls and all that. it sounds like somebody must have helped them with heavier tools. what she brought them would be like sawing down a tree with a
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steak knife. >> that's right. very good point, tom fuentes, matthew falk matt horace. outrage as new details emerge of the police shooting of a 12-year-old boy. why didn't officers give first aid as he lay there dieing? breaking news. the local naacp leader steps down amid a firestorm over her race. we will get reaction from the president of the national naacp, cornell williams brooks. he is standing by here in "the situation room." get fast-acting, long-lasting relief from heartburn with it neutralizes stomach acid and is the only product that forms a protective barrier that helps keep stomach acid in the stomach where it belongs. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief. try gaviscon®.
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we have breaking news. rachel dolezal resigned today as the head of spoe tan, washington's chapter of the naacp, citing what she calls the unexpected firestorm over her racial identity. dolezal claimed to be african-american but last week her esstranged parents went public to say she's actually white. naacp president and ceo cornell william brooks will be joining us. first we want to get to stephanie elam. she is in spokane with the latest on this stephanie? >> reporter: briana rachel dolezal says she is stepping down she says she will continue to fight for equality but she didn't answer what most people wanted to know. while rachel dolezal didn't answer the burning question about her race -- >> are your parents, are they white? >> reporter: the president of
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the spokane naacp chapter is stepping down. writing in this letter "i have waited in deference while others expressed their feelings absent the full story. it is with complete allegiance to the cause of racial and social justice that i step aside. i will never stop fighting for human rights." that resignation changing tonight's planned protest into a rally for healing. >> we're going to make the conscious decision to forgive rachel forgive all the things that have happened. >> reporter: yet the national conversation continues to brew with dolezal's adopted brother calling his sister's behavior blackface. here he is on abc. >> she took me aside when i was over there and told me to make sure that no one found out where she was actually from for me not to blow her cover. >> this is what we have older white men -- >> reporter: this revelation is fueling some of her critic hot see dolezal's actions as deliberate and calculating. >> it's a hurtful thing for me
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because i believed in somebody i thought was honest. >> reporter: though stepping down she says she's not backing down from social activism. a stance some in spokane honor despite the dramatic turn. >> does it change how we feel about rachel? no. it doesn't discredit her work and everything she has built and accomplished as long as we've all known her. >> reporter: and just looking back at what we have learned about rachel dolezal, we now understand that she filed a lawsuit against howard university where she got her master's of fine arts in 2002. it's a historically black college based in d.c. it claimed she was discriminated upon for her race for being pregnant family responsibilities and gender. the lawsuit was later dismissed. but we're learning more about this. i did reach out to dolezal to see if she could confirm this did are did happen. she did not answer her phone. that may be because we're hearing reports she may have left down. >> all right, stephanie elam with the latest from spokane,
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thank you. with us now in "the situation room," we have naacp president and ceo cornell william brooks. and thank you so much for talking with us today. this is the first time that you've spoken out since this news surfaced. tell us what you think about her stepping down and also did anyone in the naacp say to rachel dolezal, you know what this is a distraction, maybe this is what you need to do? >> well the naacp is focused on our mission and our work. that's at the heart of what we do. and so our members who looked up to her, appreciated her leadership are pained. very disappointed very disappointed. mainly because this is a distraction from the work. from the very day we announce a major initiative called americans' journey for justice we have this resignation. but at the end of the day, it's
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about the work. and that's what people are focusing on. but is there pain and need for healing? most definitely so. >> i want to ask you about the march in just a moment. but i wonder you pointed out in the break, you said there are many people who work for the naacp who are not black. >> that's right. >> so i think some people have questioned could she, and i wonder as a white woman who had four adopted brothers and sisters who were black, that she could be someone in sort of a unique position to provide a bridge between communities. do you think she would have been more beneficial to the organization and the cause of your organization if she'd instead taken that route? >> brianna, here's the thing that's amazing about the history of the naacp. race is not a qualifying or disqualifying characteristic of leadership. so from the very beginning we've had white branch presidents latino branch presidents native american branch presidents as well as african-american branch
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presidents. and so -- and national we've had national presidents or a national president who had white skin blue eyes red hair namely walter white. so her background is not an asset nor is it a liability. at the end of the day what matters most to us is our credibility. our integrity. people have died have bled for the work of the naacp. and those letters mean something. and so to have anything that detracts from that or that impugns our integrity is painful. and for many of us offensive as well. >> so you are here in washington, d.c. today. i want to note you're announcing america's journey for justice, an 860-mile march, it goes all the way from selma, alabama, to washington, d.c. that is quite an undertaking. >> it is. >> it's been a huge year. there have been so many controversies. the topic of race has just exploded.
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what are you hoping this achieves? >> well this historic march from alabama across georgia, north carolina south carolina district of columbia is a march focused on our lives, our votes, our jobs our schools matter. what we're trying to do is push for a set of concrete proposals fixing the voting rights act. addressing and stopping racial profiling. energizing people all across the south and around the country to bring about positive reform. so the point being here this is not merely a march. it's a public education campaign disguised as a march. we're trying to really reform the agenda of the country. starting in august going 40 days 40 nights ending in washington going door to door by the thousands, bringing about our reform agenda. >> this is what you want to talk about. rachel dolezal has stepped aside. stepped down. but at the same time people are focused on her. do you think if she apologized it would turn the focus more to what the naacp wants to be
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talking about? >> i think an acknowledgement of the pain. the real sense of wounding that people feel. let me put it this way. all across this country, there are people who have naacp membership cards. and those cards are like passports to democracy. and so to have anything impugn our integrity is offensive. so some acknowledgement of their pain some acknowledgement of what we've gone through, could be healing. would be healing. >> would be healing. this does seem like a lot of drama has come up around this episode. but there's also been this debate that i think a lot of people are interested in, this idea of being transracial. maybe you are one race but you identify with another one. what do you think about that conversation? >> well what i would say here is when you look at this country and look at the ways in which we all borrow from one another's cultures and ethnicities,
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there's no need to lie, there's no need to misrepresent. when you look at the wellspring of history in the naacp, it is beautiful. it is as beautiful as the tapestry of the country. and so in terms of being transracial, i'm not entirely sure what that means. but what i do know is that the naacp has stood for a country that is racism-free such as we're able to partake of one another's histories and culture and eth necessarilyethnicities in an honest and integrity-driven way. >> thank you for being with us. we'll be watching america's journey for justice march. 860 miles from selma to washington, d.c. cornell william brooks with naacp, thank you so much. >> thank you. we're also following reaction to disturbing new details about the police shooting of a 12-year-old boy in cleveland. that mere rice was carrying a pellet gun when an officer opened fire and killed him. cnn's martin savidge is in cleveland for us on this story.
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martin, give us the latest. >> reporter: it's been nearly seven months since cleveland police shot and killed tamir rice. there are some who believe this case should already be in the hands of the grand jury. in the meantime while they wait, the frustration rose. cleveland police responding to a 911 call come under fire from an unknown gunman. nobody's hit. but rumors spread police have killed someone triggering angry protests. >> 137 shots! >> reporter: the latest sign of how the police shooting of tamir rice continues to keep the city on edge. >> we are in a climate where people you know try to find reason to be upset. >> reporter: saturday the cuyahoga county prosecutor released the investigation into rice's dead. the report says none of the witnesses interviewed heard police shout commands to rice before shooting him, contradicting police accounts. >> the officers ordered him to stop and to show his hands and he went into his waistband and
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pulled out the weapon. >> reporter: that weapon turned out to be a pull let gun. a 911 caller said rice's gun was probably fake but the information was never relayed to the responding officers. when investigators asked the veteran dispatcher why not, the report says "she refused for her attorney to answer." the most compelling details come from an fbi agent arriving minutes after the shooting. he said the two officers appeared to be in shell shock saying they wanted to do something but they didn't know what to do. the officers had no first aid training and no first aid kit. using only a pair of rubber gloves the fbi agent also a paramedic, desperately worked on rice. i spoke to him. i told him i was a paramedic and i told him i was here to help him. he said rice turned his head and looked at me and acknowledged. a short time later, the agent said as the 12-year-old's life was slipping away rice reached
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for the agent's hand. another common theme in this report is the fact that first responders and emergency teams all thought that tamir was older than he was. he looked that way, they said. and he was also larger. he was about 5'7" 195 pounds. in fact the fbi agent said he didn't become aware of his youth until his sister ran up screaming saying he's 12 years old! and the fbi agent had to look deeply into tamir's face, and he could see it. his only reaction was just wow. it shows you how they were overwhelmed there. brianna? >> that is heartbreaking. martin savidge reporting from cleveland, thank you so much. just ahead, jeb bush joins the republican race for the white house. now his son jeb bush jr. is talking exclusively with cnn's gloria borger revealing how the whole family made the final decision on a presidential bid.
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republicans to enter the race and there are even more waiting in the wings if you can believe it. future of course bush has a unique challenge because of his name and family. gloria borger has been talking to members of the bush family what did you learn? >> as you said today jeb bush made it official. but he spent months telling republicans he's not just another bush. he's his own man with his own ideas. and he's really different from the rest of the clan. but that hasn't been an easy sell. what's in a name? plenty. if you're jeb bush and you're running for president. >> we want george bush! we want bush! >> after years or months i guess of deliberation dad's decided to change his name to jeb bushovski. >> reporter: jeb jr. joked about it in an exclusive interview with cnn. but lineage is a serious issue as bush attempts to renew the
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family's unusual long-term lease on the white house. >> everybody knows that i'm george's boy and barbara's boy and that's a blessing. and everybody knows i'm w's brother and i consider that a blessing as well. but i'm also my own person. i've lived my own life. >> on my orders -- >> reporter: but now he's got to live with his brother's decisions. and with the public that's not exactly clamoring for one more bush it's tricky. >> my brother, who i love more than life. >> the united states -- >> reporter: especially since jeb can't quite bring himself to second-guess the decision to invade iraq. >> of course anybody would have made different decisions. there's no denying that. knowing what we know now, what would you have done? i would have not engaged, i would not have gone into iraq. >> george w. and jeb and -- >> reporter: it's complicated, says his other brother neil. >> the question is oh this is just another member of the bush dynasty. right? and that --
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>> they might kill you for using the dynasty word. >> what's word with the dynasty word? >> i don't have any problem with it. jeb will inherit what his mom says or dad says, all their enemies and half of their friends kind of things. it's not like it's automatically a benefit to have the family's name. >> happy birthday, mr. president. >> reporter: especially when you have to prove you're different. >> i think he'd be a great different. >> it can't be about my mom and dad or my brother, who i love. i love them all. >> reporter: actually jeb is a bit of a family renegade. trading the yale tradition for ut and houston, texas, for miami, florida. a state that made him governor. >> i, jeb bush -- >> reporter: and eventually made his brother president. >> he studied latin american studies in college. he lived and worked in venezuela out of college. >> reporter: anna navarro is a friend and supporter. [ speaking spanish ] >> he's not just bilingual, he
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is bicultural. i will be able to break into spanish with him and maybe tell him something that only a hispanic would get. this is a guy who in high school went to do an exchange program in mexico. that's where he first met calumba. >> reporter: the daughter of a mexican farmer who he married 40 years ago. >> i fell madly in love it was love at first sight, head over heels in love it was i lose 20 pounds in three weeks in love i couldn't sleep in love. it was a transformative event in my life. >> my mom still only speaks to me in spanish. i respond in english. when mom moved to this country, her english wasn't that great. she really -- i think she probably met her in-laws the first time at the wedding chapel. >> wow, that's hard. >> reporter: especially hard when your new in-laws are american political royalty. george and barbara bush. >> mom hates politics. which probably makes her the
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only sane person in the family. but she's got a servant's heart. >> thank you all so very much for being here. >> she was all in as first lady of florida. yeah i know she'll be there to support dad 110%. >> how was this decision made inside the family? >> this past thanksgiving we all got together in mexico. we had a candid conversation. >> what made her change her mind? >> i mean i think out of love for dad. love for service. you know. she kind of had a famous line. this is something that came up during thanksgiving. not allowing dad to potentially go and do this is like taking away an instrument from a musician. >> reporter: playing to the base has been hard for bush. he's considered too soft on immigration and his plan for a common set of education standards has conservatives growling about big government and calling him out of touch. >> is he a little bit rusty? >> it's not like jeb has been in a cave making fire with sticks.
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for the last eight years. this is a man who is very engaged. he loves technology. he loves technological innovation. he's into it talks about it a lot. >> kind of nerdy? >> he's not nerdy but he's into it. >> anything about your father we don't know? >> his favorite movie is "talladega nights." which is terribly embarrassing. but, you know -- he's a horrible dresser. the guy, he has polo shirts that are older than me probably. you know he's not focused on his looks, although mom takes care of him on that front, tried to dress him up make sure he looks i guess presentable. you know. hey, he's a total grinder, he loves to work it's what he does. >> reporter: and what he does as a bush is run for president. >> he will be running towards his record toward his
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accomplishments and maybe lessons learned from his failures. he will try and learn -- show people that he is his own man and has his own vision and views of how to move the country forward. >> reporter: i think that's what we saw jeb bush trying to do on issues like emigration and education. i think the only question he can't answer right now is whether his party is going to buy it. >> we will see if that is the case. "talladega nights," i love it. >> love that right? >> great report. thank you so much. we will talk 2016 politics with dana bash who is there on site in miami. we have ryan lizza. we will break this down. talk about jeb bush's chances after a quick break. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended
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unless you want to watch something else. awww, you're nervous. that's so cute. ♪ jeb bush is officially in the presidential race tonight. we are back with our chief congressional correspondent dana bash. she covered the bush announcement today. also with us senior washington correspondent jeff zelleny and ryan lizza, the washington correspondent for "the new yorker." dana it's striking when you have jeb bush he is not the frontrunner, but i think he was expected to be. then you have hillary clinton. they have this dynasty issue of having a long record. when pole edled, people say she is a
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candidate of furture and he is of the past. why is that? >> it actually is kind of per mreching ing plexing it's the case. the bush people argue it's because he hasn't been out there as his own person that they think of the name bush and think of his brother, they think of his father and that was the past. people are more familiar with hillary clinton as an individual. that's what jeb bush tried to change today. that's what his advisers were telling us all along, that he needed to be jeb and not another bush. that's why he was very sort of aggressive in explaining his record who he is what he stands for. and he did it in a way that might not make a lot of conservatives happy because he didn't get into the nitty-gritty on in fiscal or social conservative issues. but he did it in a way he thinks will make him electable not just in the primary but for a general election if he gets there. >> jeff we look at how hillary clinton is running, certainly,
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many people look at the polls about who is the candidate of the future. they will say, it's because hillary clinton, part is because she's a woman and people think that is of the future. we really see her emphasizing that in every step of the way. you are in new hampshire following her right now. >> you are right. that's exactly what voters see her as the candidate of the future because she would be new, different. and she's doubling down on that and embracing that. so much more so than in 2008. i remember covering her campaign then. she would rarely talk about her upbringing as a woman and the fact that she would be making history here. but i think that this isn't necessarily locked in stone. when i heard jeb bush speaking spanish today at his announcement once he does that across the country to a wider audience that would make him a candidate of the future as well here. i think that to most democrats, this is not set in stone, not locked in place. >> that's a great observation. we have heard hillary clinton is not bilingual.
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she joked her talents don't lie in other languages. you look at that. today, we saw hillary clinton and jeb bush playing off each other, her with her press availability. do you think they are treating -- jeb is treating her as the main competitor. is the reverse as well? >> i think so. if you are hillary clinton, you probably want jeb bush because he is the one candidate in the entire republican field who can't make the essential argument against her, the most -- the toughest argument which is why should we go back to the past? why should we have this tradition in passing of presidency from one family member to another? jeb bush is the one person who can't say that. she might want him as her opponent. >> do you think that hillary clinton folks, they want it to be jeb bush then? you think that they think he's the most beatable? >> i they they want a candidate who takes that argument away.
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he is the one candidate who can't make the best case against her, which is going back to another clinton. going back to a family dynasty. the question for jeb in the republican primary is why him. we know he has these great vulnerabilities, his last name fact he is not conservative enough on a couple of issues. i think today he started to answer that a little bit. he started to remind people he has this great record or arguably among a lot of conservatives in florida. number two, he has the demographic appeal. he can speak spanish. he can reach out to some hispanic voters that republicans have had a lot of trouble with. i think he started to make the case started to overcome obvious vulnerabilities today. >> thank you so much. really appreciate it. remember that you can always follow us on twitter. tweet the show. we're @cnnsitroom.
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